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3 hours ago, Thatguy said:

All three games that we lost, we lost both the rushing and sack battles. That's all you need to know. We have a guard and center who cannot hold up in the run game on one side, and we have a guard and tackle who cannot hold up in the pass blocking on the other. We have a single lineman who can do both. I said this in the Ewers thread but people saw it as an apology for Ewers. Think about it. Almost everything bad that happens in the passing game happens on the right side. Since it's fresh in our memories Campbell fell down and Sawyer came through the gap and batted a ball. We all saw the Cam Williams last play. When Arch was in there vs Georgia and got stripped it was off the right side. So it's not whether or not the QB can run, it's competent line play or not. In the end the right side of the line bit us again. Even Quandre Diggs is calling it out. If the line play is even remotely better we win both Georgia games and we are playing next week.

 

I just gave you stats showing you games of run production from the very best teams in the Sec and the country.  You take OSUs two longest runs out versus us, and they had 22 carries for 40 yards, obviously some sacks in there.  One of those was designed QB run.

You say we have a C-LG problem.  If we have that problem.  The stats above say everyone may have that same problem.  Do you know who was Tennessees best rated run blocker?  The answer should make you wonder.

From my seat, our biggest issue in blocking is the TE.  That goes back to 2021.  There are not many Rob Gronkowskis or George Kittles though so I’m not sure how you marry the pass catching threat with the dominant blocker at that position.  I’m literal though so when someone says Oline, I’m think T to T.

Now the Oline cannot account for the S.  I don’t care if they’re in the “box” or not.  Good S play downhill.  Good DL play allows LBs to roam freely.  If the DL can stuff some plays, then your run game struggles with all those elements present.  You are not whipping Georgia or Ohio State here.  At least not if they show up to play.

This board, and I’d assume pretty much all fan boards, is relatively terrible at understanding what is the norm or expected in the football market place.  There’s no team out there that’s had a dominant run game each time out.  So expecting us to be different is off base.  Hoping we’re different is ok in my opinion but don’t shit yourself when it doesn’t happen.  The OU, Clemson and A&M games we were quite good against above average to very good defenses.

Sark needs to evaluate himself.  The QB run game needs to be incorporated.  So when you’re 2nd and goal at the 1 and your opponent is playing hard run to your left, the QB keeps it and is 1 v 1 running right.  If that defender takes one hard step to his right, he’s likely toast.

People harp on our long ball, but our problem was the intermediate range.  We attacked it too infrequently and were unsuccessful too often when we did.  The numbers support this.  That area keeps defenses honest.  It’ll cause S hesitation.  It’ll cause LBs to be more aware and likely less aggressive in the run game.  It creates first down and missed tackles mean bigger plays.  Last year, this was our best part of our offense.  What happened?  I have a theory or two, but  this board isn’t really interested in ideas that don’t fit their narrative or preconceived notions.

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46 minutes ago, BurgleBro said:

If veteran 5 star Williams gets clowned in big games I'm worried for the later arch years when the slew of 3 stars we recruit are the new veterans. 

I'm always terrified when I imagine people like this in positions of consequence

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14 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I just gave you stats showing you games of run production from the very best teams in the Sec and the country.  You take OSUs two longest runs out versus us, and they had 22 carries for 40 yards, obviously some sacks in there.  One of those was designed QB run.

You say we have a C-LG problem.  If we have that problem.  The stats above say everyone may have that same problem.  Do you know who was Tennessees best rated run blocker?  The answer should make you wonder.

From my seat, our biggest issue in blocking is the TE.  That goes back to 2021.  There are not many Rob Gronkowskis or George Kittles though so I’m not sure how you marry the pass catching threat with the dominant blocker at that position.  I’m literal though so when someone says Oline, I’m think T to T.

Now the Oline cannot account for the S.  I don’t care if they’re in the “box” or not.  Good S play downhill.  Good DL play allows LBs to roam freely.  If the DL can stuff some plays, then your run game struggles with all those elements present.  You are not whipping Georgia or Ohio State here.  At least not if they show up to play.

This board, and I’d assume pretty much all fan boards, is relatively terrible at understanding what is the norm or expected in the football market place.  There’s no team out there that’s had a dominant run game each time out.  So expecting us to be different is off base.  Hoping we’re different is ok in my opinion but don’t shit yourself when it doesn’t happen.  The OU, Clemson and A&M games we were quite good against above average to very good defenses.

Sark needs to evaluate himself.  The QB run game needs to be incorporated.  So when you’re 2nd and goal at the 1 and your opponent is playing hard run to your left, the QB keeps it and is 1 v 1 running right.  If that defender takes one hard step to his right, he’s likely toast.

People harp on our long ball, but our problem was the intermediate range.  We attacked it too infrequently and were unsuccessful too often when we did.  The numbers support this.  That area keeps defenses honest.  It’ll cause S hesitation.  It’ll cause LBs to be more aware and likely less aggressive in the run game.  It creates first down and missed tackles mean bigger plays.  Last year, this was our best part of our offense.  What happened?  I have a theory or two, but  this board isn’t really interested in ideas that don’t fit their narrative or preconceived notions.

30 carries for 110 yards, 25 carries for 100 yards, or something like that is enough to beat Georgia and Ohio state especially if you can get that 1-2 yards on the ground when you have to have it and if pass pro is also there. 

it worked that way in Tuscaloosa. It didn’t against Georgia, Ohio state or ASU and it took heroics on both sides of the ball to squeak out a win against ASU. 

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25 minutes ago, Hookem2147 said:

This isn’t a video game. Run plays are designed to go through certain gaps and the chance of recognizing a cutback on the 1 yard line with 11 bodies at the LOS moving forward would take special type of vision.

I will say that we have a RB room full of pretty average ballcarriers right now. If a run is blocked for 4 yards, they will get you 4 yards. If it’s blocked for 2, you are getting 2. If it’s not block at all, they aren’t making things right for a tough earned 2 yards. I respect Tre Wisner’s toughness and maybe he beefs up some in the offseason but he just lacks the physical tools you’d typically see in a high-end SEC RB. Jaydon Blue is a scat back who you can barely trust to carry the ball and Gibson is the most physically imposing but is a freshman with ball security concerns. I think we squeezed almost everything we would out that room this year considering the injuries.

This is 100% true. People talk about WRs helping the QB out, but there is little conversation about skill guys helping the OL out. They had a QB that was good for 1-2 self-sacks a game and RBs that rarely optimized runs or made the OL look good. That isn’t to say the OL was perfect by any standard. They had their issues also

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4 minutes ago, troph said:

30 carries for 110 yards, 25 carries for 100 yards, or something like that is enough to beat Georgia and Ohio state especially if you can get that 1-2 yards on the ground when you have to have it and if pass pro is also there. 

it worked that way in Tuscaloosa. It didn’t against Georgia, Ohio state or ASU and it took heroics on both sides of the ball to squeak out a win against ASU. 

We not only lost Baxter, but we also lost Jonathon Brooks and Keilan Robinson. So we basically played the entire year with our fourth and fifth string guys from 2023. This year goes a lot differently with a Baxter or Brooks, much less a Bijan on the team. 

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6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

We not only lost Baxter, but we also lost Jonathon Brooks and Keilan Robinson. So we basically played the entire year with our fourth and fifth string guys from 2023. This year goes a lot differently with a Baxter or Brooks, much less a Bijan on the team. 

That’s true but I’m just trying to make the point you need “just enough” on the ground to win if you can do the other things well too. Add punt teams/KO for field position, FGs, good defense and 200 passing with no or inconsequential turnovers. You don’t have to rush for a buck fifty to beat the top teams you just have to do enough on the ground to make it a credible threat. That’s what we lack in big games, anything resembling a credible threat of a running game. Sad.

and truth is, if brooks doesn’t go down last year and if Baxter doesn’t go down this year we might be looking at back to back national titles. 

but then maybe we need to recruit better at RB because it’s one of the top positions for season ending injuries.  And with 15 games to win it all I’d say you have to go 3-4 deep with very little drop off to insure you’ve got the horses to win it all. I think how personnel are used throughout the season at that position may be one that changes radically with the new playoffs. I think there is easily room for substantial playing time for at least 3 backs in the season if not 4. Even more so if they eliminate the bye by expanding to 16 which I think they should.

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21 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

I just gave you stats showing you games of run production from the very best teams in the Sec and the country.  You take OSUs two longest runs out versus us, and they had 22 carries for 40 yards, obviously some sacks in there.  One of those was designed QB run.

You say we have a C-LG problem.  If we have that problem.  The stats above say everyone may have that same problem.  Do you know who was Tennessees best rated run blocker?  The answer should make you wonder.

From my seat, our biggest issue in blocking is the TE.  That goes back to 2021.  There are not many Rob Gronkowskis or George Kittles though so I’m not sure how you marry the pass catching threat with the dominant blocker at that position.  I’m literal though so when someone says Oline, I’m think T to T.

Now the Oline cannot account for the S.  I don’t care if they’re in the “box” or not.  Good S play downhill.  Good DL play allows LBs to roam freely.  If the DL can stuff some plays, then your run game struggles with all those elements present.  You are not whipping Georgia or Ohio State here.  At least not if they show up to play.

This board, and I’d assume pretty much all fan boards, is relatively terrible at understanding what is the norm or expected in the football market place.  There’s no team out there that’s had a dominant run game each time out.  So expecting us to be different is off base.  Hoping we’re different is ok in my opinion but don’t shit yourself when it doesn’t happen.  The OU, Clemson and A&M games we were quite good against above average to very good defenses.

Sark needs to evaluate himself.  The QB run game needs to be incorporated.  So when you’re 2nd and goal at the 1 and your opponent is playing hard run to your left, the QB keeps it and is 1 v 1 running right.  If that defender takes one hard step to his right, he’s likely toast.

People harp on our long ball, but our problem was the intermediate range.  We attacked it too infrequently and were unsuccessful too often when we did.  The numbers support this.  That area keeps defenses honest.  It’ll cause S hesitation.  It’ll cause LBs to be more aware and likely less aggressive in the run game.  It creates first down and missed tackles mean bigger plays.  Last year, this was our best part of our offense.  What happened?  I have a theory or two, but  this board isn’t really interested in ideas that don’t fit their narrative or preconceived notions.

I think then biggest priority for Flood and Sark is find an identity in the run game. Texas has a strange relationship with OZ. Some of that is the interior OL Texas has had. You might attribute that to Sark and Flood prioritizing pass blocking over run blocking. Some of that was based on Blue and Wisner. Texas is recruiting “big humans”, but the primary run requires lateral blocking. I don’t think that will be the case next year. Sark is more comfortable with IZ. I think Texas will become more of downhill blocking team next year, whether that is through gap schemes or inside zone 

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2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think then biggest priority for Flood and Sark is find an identity in the run game. Texas has a strange relationship with OZ. Some of that is the interior OL Texas has had. You might attribute that to Sark and Flood prioritizing pass blocking over run blocking. Some of that was based on Blue and Wisner. Texas is recruiting “big humans”, but the primary run requires lateral blocking. I don’t think that will be the case next year. Sark is more comfortable with IZ. I think Texas will become more of downhill blocking team next year, whether that is through gap schemes or inside zone 

We had some success against OSU running the counter on the right side and inexplicably went away from it. I personally like the counters the best you over load a spot on the DL and create the hole and have a back exploit. If you have talent and weight advantage on the OL that makes the most sense especially when you don’t have the special back with great vision to find a hole.

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Sark's offense is at its best running IZ effectively. 

We tried to run it early in his tenure and couldn't due to personnel. Bijan wasn't great at it and the OL wasn't even decent at blocking it. We found some success in the second year doing some double team blocks and other gap scheme runs. Bijan was at his best in OZ, and we had the athletic linemen to run it.

Brooks was our best IZ guy by far. We were hoping Baxter could be better at it this year, but once he got hurt, things fell to shit until we went back to OZ as the primary in the 2nd half of the OU game. 

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11 minutes ago, troph said:

30 carries for 110 yards, 25 carries for 100 yards, or something like that is enough to beat Georgia and Ohio state especially if you can get that 1-2 yards on the ground when you have to have it and if pass pro is also there. 

it worked that way in Tuscaloosa. It didn’t against Georgia, Ohio state or ASU and it took heroics on both sides of the ball to squeak out a win against ASU. 

I understand that, but there numerous examples that say those numbers are not a given.  Just take Oregon versus OSU as an example.

And in Tuscaloosa they were having to defend the entire field.

The threat of QB run changes the numbers.  Howard didn’t need 18 yards.  He only needed 2.  Would we have taken those 2?  QE easily gets that 2, but I’m not sure we ask him to do so.  That’s a Sark issue.

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3 minutes ago, troph said:

We had some success against OSU running the counter on the right side and inexplicably went away from it. I personally like the counters the best you over load a spot on the DL and create the hole and have a back exploit. If you have talent and weight advantage on the OL that makes the most sense especially when you don’t have the special back with great vision to find a hole.

I am Ok with any run. Though I don’t love OZ. You tend to get more holes and it’s a lot tougher to run in short yardage. That said teams like the Rams are very effective running it. When I say identity, I mean what is the run that is your bread and butter. What play does the coach have confidence in when you need a 3rd and 2. Texas didn’t have that. You saw it short yardage this year. Just as likely to see jet sweep/pass as an inside run. 

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9 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I think then biggest priority for Flood and Sark is find an identity in the run game. Texas has a strange relationship with OZ. Some of that is the interior OL Texas has had. You might attribute that to Sark and Flood prioritizing pass blocking over run blocking. Some of that was based on Blue and Wisner. Texas is recruiting “big humans”, but the primary run requires lateral blocking. I don’t think that will be the case next year. Sark is more comfortable with IZ. I think Texas will become more of downhill blocking team next year, whether that is through gap schemes or inside zone 

At face value, it does seem they prioritize pass protection.  It is too difficult to master all things so he picks what he can live with most.  Hard to get maximum skill on pass protection, movement/positioning on zone then power in short yardage all at the same time.

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7 minutes ago, Had Enough said:

At face value, it does seem they prioritize pass protection.  It is too difficult to master all things so he picks what he can live with most.  Hard to get maximum skill on pass protection, movement/positioning on zone then power in short yardage all at the same time.

The movement thing I believe is based on what they had. They are not recruiting to movement to run OZ, so I don’t think it will remain a staple. Recruiting generally tells you where the staff wants to go. 

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12 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

The movement thing I believe is based on what they had. They are not recruiting to movement to run OZ, so I don’t think it will remain a staple. Recruiting generally tells you where the staff wants to go. 

Could be.  I’ve largely stopped pying attention to recruiting so couldn’t weigh in on that.

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4 hours ago, Schulz2.0 said:

We ran IZ because it's Sark's preferred scheme. We haven't recruited to match what we'd prefer to run, particularly at TE and RB.

This years offense was largely residual players originally recruited for skillsets that fit an offense Sark designed for the B12

The offense shredded Bama last year because Saban tailored his 3-4 to defend Georgia, which meant leaving DB's in man on inferior X and Z receivers while the rest of the defense focused on the run and defending areas attacked with a slot/TE(Bowers and McConkey). And those same DB's had a 0% chance of holding up in man vs Mitchell and Worthy

Meanwhile that same offense would have been dumpstered by Georgia, just like this year, as Kirby's 3-4 was crafted to shut down the pro-style spread run by Bama with Mac Jones and Bryce Young, which Sark recreated with Ewers

Saban responded by switching to Milroe, a strong mobile QB with an elite deep ball +  explosive WR capable of beating the press completely breaks Kirby's defense (see game this season and why every running QB torches Georgia), while Sark tried to make the impossible work with Ewers

What's happened to Ewers is the same thing that's happened to Bryce Young. Their skillsets were great fits in certain systems, but those offenses have not only been made obsolete by Kirby, but also by new variations of the nickel that rotate dline personnel capable of exploiting both the run and pass, while incorporating hybrid LB/S like Jonah Williams who can both cover like a 5th DB and provide run support of a 3rd LB 

And given the nickel(4-2-5) is now overwelmingly the dominant base defense at the NFL/top collegiate levels and a strong armed mobile qb(hello Arch, but a new offense has to be installed)/power run game is the only way to counter it, the game has effectively passed Ewers by. This is also why Milroe will be a 1st rounder and Ewers is virtually undraftable

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1 hour ago, Had Enough said:

I understand that, but there numerous examples that say those numbers are not a given.  Just take Oregon versus OSU as an example.

And in Tuscaloosa they were having to defend the entire field.

The threat of QB run changes the numbers.  Howard didn’t need 18 yards.  He only needed 2.  Would we have taken those 2?  QE easily gets that 2, but I’m not sure we ask him to do so.  That’s a Sark issue.

Not sure we are disagreeing - Oregon didn’t get the rush? Well they lost too. Alabama 2023 had to defend the whole field, I agree. Our WR were a disappointment this year (injury and attitude) and we expected an improvement. QE didn’t get much better either. I agree arch should help, shit I’m not sure Quinn can’t get those 3rd and 4’s if you scheme for it and give him a shot, sark just does not really like to run his QBs at all. I’m honestly surprised he had an arch run package. I hope that remains. I know arch can scoot off script so that will make a difference.  I just think with serviceable backs you need to overpower the DL with a size difference or a numbers mismatch with designed holes so they know where to go, you can teach that easily, you can’t as easily teach the vision to find the hole. And to yours or someone else’s point, against OSU and Georgia you need IZ to work so you can counter act defensive speed to the edge. In the end it’s all interrelated which is why the “it’s all Quinn’s fault” bullshit on the La Jolla thread is so fucking infuriating. 

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1 hour ago, Had Enough said:

I understand that, but there numerous examples that say those numbers are not a given.  Just take Oregon versus OSU as an example.

And in Tuscaloosa they were having to defend the entire field.

The threat of QB run changes the numbers.  Howard didn’t need 18 yards.  He only needed 2.  Would we have taken those 2?  QE easily gets that 2, but I’m not sure we ask him to do so.  That’s a Sark issue.

Sark with Ewers is replacing the zone read with the rpo. You keep the backside of the defense honest with each of those. When you have a guy like arch that can do both of those things then it really becomes a dangerous game.

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16 hours ago, Thatguy said:

Do whatever they allow amiright?

That is because they don't have a Majors and Conner getting displaced backwards some yards every snap.

*Looks to see if he is in the Quinn Ewers thread*

People around here think that shit is normal but it's not. The scariest thing for a QB is a shrinking the pocket from the front. You can't tell anyone around here shit though. Glad you see the space and windows Will Howard had all night. That's what it is supposed to look like. We aren't going to do shit around here until our line is right. We have to be able to run the ball. Asking your QB to throw for 300 yards every game is not a recipe for success.

It's nauseating reading all the posts about Ewers delivery causing batted balls, hell Howard could have used two handed underhand tosses and we wouldn't have been near them.

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14 hours ago, Ghost of Shag said:

I really think Jerrick can be the guy if he fixes his ball security issues.

Only way to fix that is more playing time. The way Sark threw him in the doghouse was the wrong way to go about it. More touches, not less. It's too much pressure "alright son, here's your only touch of the game. 1 yard for a potential national championship." After not really playing all postseason. That's not fair to him or the team. 

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5 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

Only way to fix that is more playing time. The way Sark threw him in the doghouse was the wrong way to go about it. More touches, not less. It's too much pressure "alright son, here's your only touch of the game. 1 yard for a potential national championship." After not really playing all postseason. That's not fair to him or the team. 

It’s completely fair. His fumble rate was off the charts. As the season neared its end, you couldn’t give him a bunch of carries to find out if he figured out his fumbling. Sometimes it’s on the players 

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1 hour ago, Lolathon said:

This years offense was largely residual players originally recruited for skillsets that fit an offense Sark designed for the B12

The offense shredded Bama last year because Saban tailored his 3-4 to defend Georgia, which meant leaving DB's in man on inferior X and Z receivers while the rest of the defense focused on the run and defending areas attacked with a slot/TE(Bowers and McConkey). And those same DB's had a 0% chance of holding up in man vs Mitchell and Worthy

Meanwhile that same offense would have been dumpstered by Georgia, just like this year, as Kirby's 3-4 was crafted to shut down the pro-style spread run by Bama with Mac Jones and Bryce Young, which Sark recreated with Ewers

Saban responded by switching to Milroe, a strong mobile QB with an elite deep ball +  explosive WR capable of beating the press completely breaks Kirby's defense (see game this season and why every running QB torches Georgia), while Sark tried to make the impossible work with Ewers

What's happened to Ewers is the same thing that's happened to Bryce Young. Their skillsets were great fits in certain systems, but those offenses have not only been made obsolete by Kirby, but also by new variations of the nickel that rotate dline personnel capable of exploiting both the run and pass, while incorporating hybrid LB/S like Jonah Williams who can both cover like a 5th DB and provide run support of a 3rd LB 

And given the nickel(4-2-5) is now overwelmingly the dominant base defense at the NFL/top collegiate levels and a strong armed mobile qb(hello Arch, but a new offense has to be installed)/power run game is the only way to counter it, the game has effectively passed Ewers by. This is also why Milroe will be a 1st rounder and Ewers is virtually undraftable

I think it's more of a 3-3-5 base. Edge rushers are more pass rushing OLBs than traditional DEs.

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1 hour ago, troph said:

Not sure we are disagreeing - Oregon didn’t get the rush? Well they lost too. Alabama 2023 had to defend the whole field, I agree. Our WR were a disappointment this year (injury and attitude) and we expected an improvement. QE didn’t get much better either. I agree arch should help, shit I’m not sure Quinn can’t get those 3rd and 4’s if you scheme for it and give him a shot, sark just does not really like to run his QBs at all. I’m honestly surprised he had an arch run package. I hope that remains. I know arch can scoot off script so that will make a difference.  I just think with serviceable backs you need to overpower the DL with a size difference or a numbers mismatch with designed holes so they know where to go, you can teach that easily, you can’t as easily teach the vision to find the hole. And to yours or someone else’s point, against OSU and Georgia you need IZ to work so you can counter act defensive speed to the edge. In the end it’s all interrelated which is why the “it’s all Quinn’s fault” bullshit on the La Jolla thread is so fucking infuriating. 

Quinn’s off schedule playmaking this season was nonexistent after the ankle injury (same for throwing on the run). Created the tiniest margin for error and why one negative play easily derailed drives. 

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It's nauseating reading all the posts about Ewers delivery causing batted balls, hell Howard could have used two handed underhand tosses and we wouldn't have been near them.
I mean, Howard is 5” taller and throws overhand. Yeah the line helps, but I don’t think he slaps the ball right before he throws either.
Only way to fix that is more playing time. The way Sark threw him in the doghouse was the wrong way to go about it. More touches, not less. It's too much pressure "alright son, here's your only touch of the game. 1 yard for a potential national championship." After not really playing all postseason. That's not fair to him or the team. 
Things like this is one reason I wish Sark had just worked to blow everyone out. Get the younger guys reps in game. It seemed like plenty of times he was content to just win the old SEC way. Lean on the defense and do just enough on offense to keep the clock going once you get the lead.
It’s completely fair. His fumble rate was off the charts. As the season neared its end, you couldn’t give him a bunch of carries to find out if he figured out his fumbling. Sometimes it’s on the players 

What does the running back coach actually do? Besides being a good recruiter? I would think making sure they know who to pass block and ball security would be something too.
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To throw myself in this mosh pit of takes:  as has been mentioned in this page, the “Sark offense” is designed around Inside Zone, RPO (at multiple levels), and then screens/sweeps/counters and play-action as the big plays. With all the injuries and players who don’t/can’t run IZ effectively, and Quinn’s issues downfield, he has adjusted to an offense focused on OZ and intermediate passes.

Almost like I get the feeling that the offense Texas has put out on the field is still very chicken-shit-sandwich and is the group of “restraint plays” standard in his offense, not the usual repertoire.  Would explain why there’s limited “adjustments” in-game or game-to-game.   That the team has been successful with it speaks to Sark’s coaching. (Note: I am not a Sark stan nor will I engage in a tit-for-tat; I’m here for discussion)

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17 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

I mean, Howard is 5” taller and throws overhand. Yeah the line helps, but I don’t think he slaps the ball right before he throws either.
Things like this is one reason I wish Sark had just worked to blow everyone out. Get the younger guys reps in game. It seemed like plenty of times he was content to just win the old SEC way. Lean on the defense and do just enough on offense to keep the clock going once you get the lead.

What does the running back coach actually do? Besides being a good recruiter? I would think making sure they know who to pass block and ball security would be something too.

yea the line helps? lol. Howard literally had 15 foot wide lanes to throw the ball

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51 minutes ago, Jkwellborn said:

I mean, Howard is 5” taller and throws overhand. Yeah the line helps, but I don’t think he slaps the ball right before he throws either.
Things like this is one reason I wish Sark had just worked to blow everyone out. Get the younger guys reps in game. It seemed like plenty of times he was content to just win the old SEC way. Lean on the defense and do just enough on offense to keep the clock going once you get the lead.

What does the running back coach actually do? Besides being a good recruiter? I would think making sure they know who to pass block and ball security would be something too.

They literally went Program on Gibson and made him carry a football around campus. They put him in after that week and he promptly fumbled. Coaches coach, but when players grasp the concepts is not always up to the coaches.. Again that fumble was vs Kentucky. Do you give him a chance vs A&M in a game that was 17-7 (he got 1 carry)? Georgia (0)? He got carries vs Clemson (9). Coaches want all their player to succeed and overcome issues. They also know that there are 84 other players on the roster and they cannot risk blowing the season to see if a single player has fixed his issues. Imagine the vitriol if Gibson came in and fumbled vs A&M and it led to Texas losing. 

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2 hours ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

I think it's more of a 3-3-5 base. Edge rushers are more pass rushing OLBs than traditional DEs.

Noone competent runs 3-3-5 base, it's too vulnerable against the run. The alternative is a 3-4, but both schemes if done right will employee a platoon of LB/DT/Ends and sub/adjust based on opponent scheme/personnel/down and distance. And it's essentially operates as a disguised front 7 that can play as anything from a 5-2 to a dime post-snap depending on the ends/OLB responsibility(rush edge, spy, drop into zone). But the modern 3-4 typically typically runs as a bear front with a 3 tech, 0 tech, and 3 or 5 tech down, and then walks up 2 OLBs near the edge. The end result is something that looks like a 5-2, but can drop to become a 3-4 and causes chaos for the OL because which of the 4 LB's are rushing and dropping can't be determine until post-snap. But the 3-4 is extremely vulnerable to running QB's

The 4-2-5 is nowhere near as vulnerable vs a mobile qb, but is not as challenging for QB reads and OL assignments and is weaker vs power. It's also much more personnel-heavy and requries 2 pass rush specialist edges like Simmons/Moore/Orogbo that can also drop/cover the flat, 2 traditional 5 tech DE that are strong enough to fight off tackles and set the edge/maintain B/C gap integrity while also being capable pass rushers(Lance Jackson/Sorrell/Burke/Vasek), 1 traditional 3 tech that's a run stopper first, but can get pressure occassionally(Collins, incoming Charles), 1 0 tech whose only job is to eat the center and both A gaps in run defense(Norton, incoming xfer from UNC, inc freshman Sharma), and a do it all DT that can play anywhere on the line and is the one making tackle for loss in run defense, getting sacks via interior pass rush an can ideally move out to D-end to play as 5 tech for bear fronts(Broughton, inc frosh Justus Terry). And that unit has no weaknesses as it can be mixed and matched to form a down 4 that's capable of defending any and all scenariors/personnel/scheme

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36 minutes ago, Lolathon said:

Noone competent runs 3-3-5 base, it's too vulnerable against the run. The alternative is a 3-4, but both schemes if done right will employee a platoon of LB/DT/Ends and sub/adjust based on opponent scheme/personnel/down and distance. And it's essentially operates as a disguised front 7 that can play as anything from a 5-2 to a dime post-snap depending on the ends/OLB responsibility(rush edge, spy, drop into zone). But the modern 3-4 typically typically runs as a bear front with a 3 tech, 0 tech, and 3 or 5 tech down, and then walks up 2 OLBs near the edge. The end result is something that looks like a 5-2, but can drop to become a 3-4 and causes chaos for the OL because which of the 4 LB's are rushing and dropping can't be determine until post-snap. But the 3-4 is extremely vulnerable to running QB's

The 4-2-5 is nowhere near as vulnerable vs a mobile qb, but is not as challenging for QB reads and OL assignments and is weaker vs power. It's also much more personnel-heavy and requries 2 pass rush specialist edges like Simmons/Moore/Orogbo that can also drop/cover the flat, 2 traditional 5 tech DE that are strong enough to fight off tackles and set the edge/maintain B/C gap integrity while also being capable pass rushers(Lance Jackson/Sorrell/Burke/Vasek), 1 traditional 3 tech that's a run stopper first, but can get pressure occassionally(Collins, incoming Charles), 1 0 tech whose only job is to eat the center and both A gaps in run defense(Norton, incoming xfer from UNC, inc freshman Sharma), and a do it all DT that can play anywhere on the line and is the one making tackle for loss in run defense, getting sacks via interior pass rush an can ideally move out to D-end to play as 5 tech for bear fronts(Broughton, inc frosh Justus Terry). And that unit has no weaknesses as it can be mixed and matched to form a down 4 that's capable of defending any and all scenariors/personnel/scheme

I’m more so saying in personnel than alignment. Simmons and Moore are definitely not traditional defensive ends. Much more closely resemble a Khalil Mack, Micah Parsons type pass rushing Linebacker than a Jevon Kearse, Julius Peppers style Defensive End. Also seems to be more of a OLB-T-N-DE alignment. 

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3 hours ago, hookem48 said:

yea the line helps? lol. Howard literally had 15 foot wide lanes to throw the ball

Which he could at times exploit for 5-7 yards if he so wanted to on a scamper. Quinn self sacks but Friday night the pocket completely collapsed with no openings if he tried to step up into the pocket. He’s not athletic  enough to scramble back and outside the pocket around the ends. 

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Is the o-line still getting that additional NIL money?
I know recruiting stars aren’t everything, but we are really trusting our development taking a ton of 3-stars after that one great haul. 

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On short shardage more than once Thursday night, Penn St lined up a huge OL in the H-back position.  They put him in motion pre-snap and ran him between the center and right guard.  Worked really well as he had somewhat of a running head start.  Believe they had Allar in shotgun and the RB followed him in to the hole. 

Would like to find replays of the 2 times they did to evaluate the success rate but IIRC it worked vs NDU's front.  I thought to myself that Sark has to be watching this play, but too late to add it.  Be curious to see if he adds that to goal line next year.  Very clever.

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3 hours ago, horny_gunman said:

To throw myself in this mosh pit of takes:  as has been mentioned in this page, the “Sark offense” is designed around Inside Zone, RPO (at multiple levels), and then screens/sweeps/counters and play-action as the big plays. With all the injuries and players who don’t/can’t run IZ effectively, and Quinn’s issues downfield, he has adjusted to an offense focused on OZ and intermediate passes.

Almost like I get the feeling that the offense Texas has put out on the field is still very chicken-shit-sandwich and is the group of “restraint plays” standard in his offense, not the usual repertoire.  Would explain why there’s limited “adjustments” in-game or game-to-game.   That the team has been successful with it speaks to Sark’s coaching. (Note: I am not a Sark stan nor will I engage in a tit-for-tat; I’m here for discussion)

The deep ball was a staple for Sark at Bama.  Unfortunately, QE was very poor at it.  Throw in the lack of ability to extend plays (due to injury or skill set) and the O (while very effective) was never able to get to 5th gear imo, especially vs better competition.  MSU game was on verge of blowout if Cook catches the one deep ball thrown well.  QE missed Bond on the deep in early vs OU and any number of at least half dozen missed TD's deep kept our games closer.

Im nitpicking here, but the next few QB's coming up I believe possess the physical tools QE lacked and id be surprised if offensive explosive plays dont follow.

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27 minutes ago, RoyalBevo21 said:

I’m more so saying in personnel than alignment. Simmons and Moore are definitely not traditional defensive ends. Much more closely resemble a Khalil Mack, Micah Parsons type pass rushing Linebacker than a Jevon Kearse, Julius Peppers style Defensive End. Also seems to be more of a OLB-T-N-DE alignment. 

5 tech-1 tech-3 tech-5 or 6i tech is common. The weakside end is frequently subbed for an edge rusher on non-short yardage downs and are sometimes subbed on obvious passing downs. But it varies by team, Texas uses a platoon approach and subs standup edges for 3 points from play to play, Ohio State on the other hand plays the same front 4 every down

On the topic of the line getting it's ass kicked and how to fix it, I actually think a shift back to a more traditional pro-style offense(e.g. 2005 USC) and moving away from the spread matches up best with the current CFB defense meta. It's a bitch to implement and recruit due to complexity/the lack of high schools that run it, but  Sark's ran it before, it attracts blue chips at every position, it's proven time and time again to have the fewest flaws and Manning is a great fit for it. Michigan won with it last year and if Notre Dame's secondary can hold up they'll win with it next week

 

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