Texas O-line talk

[HtownHorn 14604]

On 9/23/2019 at 10:08 AM, sushihorn said:

Rewatching OSU it became clear just how dominant the O-Line was.  The left side got caved in frequently using straight zone.  On power and counter the pullers were blowing open huge holes with their kickout blocks.  The Cowboys rarely got penetration, as reflected by only 3 TFLs (each for 1 yd) and ZERO sacks.  I was a bit surprised that Texas averaged only 5.0 YPC but looking at the stats, the 2 kneel downs in victory formation took the YPC from 5.4 to 5.0 and the former is more reflective of what the OL did on Saturday.

It's too bad 2 of those 3 TFL's came on 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1 where we telegraphed the play and OSU sent their entire front 7 through the gaps.

[HtownHorn 14604]

On 9/23/2019 at 11:05 AM, Pato del Muerto said:

LOS is great, but it seems like 2nd level blocking isn’t there to allow for long runs. Our rbs might get through the line fairly clean but always are met by next level defenders and have to fight and break tackles to get a 20 yard run. 

Is that a product of how we block, of how defenses play against us, bad luck?

is that the next step the OL or offense needs to take?

Defenses play zone against us a lot, because we show a lot of quick routes on film. It seems we take 4-5 deep shots a game, and usually outside the hashes. Of course, you have an injured starter, a true freshmen backup that was recruited as a QB, and the most athletic guy out for another 3-4 weeks. Ingram started busting long gains against Rice and looked healthy against OSU.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12132]

On 9/22/2019 at 7:29 PM, Coach pop a bitch said:

West Virginia is allowing 172 yards running per game with 4.18 yards per carry. I'm confident they haven't dealt with a coach hand type of line. Can we expect a healthy Ingram to rush for more then 150? I say fuck yes.

Easily. I honestly won't be surprised if both Ingram and Roschon both go for 100

[XYZ 2154]

10 hours ago, Spider2YBanana said:

Easily. I honestly won't be surprised if both Ingram and Roschon both go for 100

Did you really need to use the word “both” TWICE in the same sentence???

[Funk Doctor Spock 12132]

3 hours ago, XYZ said:

Did you really need to use the word “both” TWICE in the same sentence???

Fuck yeah. It shows I mean it. 

[Machinator 32098]

 

[texifornia 56596]

16 minutes ago, Machinator said:

 

Lol Shea Patterson really making the most of that line. There's a reason Ole Miss got better when Ta'amu was the starter.

[Bevo14 8291]

4 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Lol Shea Patterson really making the most of that line. There's a reason Ole Miss got better when Ta'amu was the starter.

Yeah I thought he was bad but damn

[Burt Macklin 19000]

20 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Lol Shea Patterson really making the most of that line. There's a reason Ole Miss got better when Ta'amu was the starter.

He’s fucking horrible. He misses wide open guys all the time. Camps and playing at IMG really obscured the fact that he can’t read defenses to save his life.

[texaslong 678]

8 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

He’s fucking horrible. He misses wide open guys all the time. Camps and playing at IMG really obscured the fact that he can’t read defenses to save his life.

He read aggy's defense a couple of years ago. 

[futureman 22441]

7 hours ago, texaslong said:

He read aggy's defense a couple of years ago. 

god that game was awesome. 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12132]

I know 5* busts happen, but damn, that dude went full Dayne Crist. 

[Laga4 1270]

9 hours ago, Machinator said:

 

When we hired him I read over and over how he couldn't coach pass protection.  

Looks like he learned how. 

Edited October 2, 2019 by Laga4

[LTtxfan 49075]

Texas offensive lineman Derek Kerstetter (68) works against Kansas State defensive end Tanner Wood (34) in Austin on Oct. 7, 2017. NICK WAGNER / AMERICAN-STATESMAN

"Texas notebook: Longhorns linemen bond over grilling competitions, living arrangements"

October 1st, 2019. Danny Davis   

Texas offensive lineman Derek Kerstetter spent his 21st birthday Monday at a Chipotle.  That was by choice, though. The junior swears by the food chain and highly recommends a double serving of rice in your burrito bowl. Fellow lineman Samuel Cosmi said that Kerstetter has even been known to bring his own Chipotle into other restaurants that the linemen are dining at.  “I firmly believe Chipotle is the best restaurant in Austin,” Kerstetter said on Tuesday. “It’s great for you, it’s great (for your) budget and it’s great food.”

As passionate as Kerstetter is about Chipotle, it isn’t his only culinary love. He’s been grilling since high school. That hobby has set up a rivalry within his own home.  During UT’s weekly availability with players, both Kerstetter and senior center Zach Shackelford claimed to be the grill master of the house they share with four other linemen. Shackelford, whose bye-week activity included grilling a bone-in ribeye, is known for his seasoning and preference of charcoal. Kerstetter does a mean marinade and can use a smoker.  “They both cook really, really good steaks,” Cosmi said.  Shackelford, Kerstetter and Cosmi are roommates with backup linemen J.P. Urquidez and Reese Moore. Mikey Grandy, who medically retired before the 2018 season, also lives among the Longhorn linemen. When that house hosts the linemen for dinners, Shackelford said the grocery bill can be “pretty pricey.”

Five of the seven sacks allowed by Texas this season came in the LSU game. The Longhorns are averaging 165.5 yards on the ground. In Kerstetter’s eyes, those on-field successes are related to the off-field bonding.  “We’re basically like brothers. We’re like a little family,” Kerstetter said. “It’s been a lot of fun just kind of growing closer and seeing each other more outside of the football bubble.”

Grade corrections: Each week, Texas uses a grading system to determine how its offensive linemen fared. Cosmi, a redshirt sophomore, said he first graded out as a champion during the second game of the 2018 season. At first, he recalled, “it seemed like it was almost nearly impossible to grade out as a champion.” Now Cosmi knows exactly what a championship performance looks like.  In fact, he recently corrected the grading done by assistant coach Herb Hand after the 36-30 win over Oklahoma State on Sept. 21. After receiving an 84 percent — champions must get at least an 85 — Cosmi obsessed over Hand’s scoring of one play. After watching film and concluding that his assignment and technique on that play were correct, he presented his findings to Hand. The coach agreed with the grading and Cosmi was given his fourth championship grade of the season.

“It’s just something about that. I don’t not want to be a champion,” said Cosmi, a 6-7, 300-pound left tackle. “Knowing that I did put the effort but my football ability didn’t let me grade out as a champion, there’s something about that just irritates me in the back of my head. Even being a point shy was irritating me.”

https://www.hookem.com/story/texas-notebook-longhorn-linemen-bond-over-grilling-competitions-and-living-arrangements/

Edited October 2, 2019 by LTtxfan

[Jkwellborn 6670]

When we hired him I read over and over how he couldn't coach pass protection.  
Looks like he learned how. 

I remember the posts about that. There were plenty of questions about Braun being able to learn to handle pass pro quickly too. Be damned if Hand hasn’t done a good job of teaching that.

[zork 629]

It seemed to me, looking back I thought I saw it at the time but didn't remember till reading the LSU sacks total in the article above, that the LSU D-linemen slanted right and held the Texas OL so Chaisson could stunt from DE all the way in through the center gap.  Anyone remember that play late in the first half, IIRC, on third down that caused a sack and a punt?  Did I see that elusive, rarely called, DL holding, clearly not called on the play?

 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2019 by zork

[Lhorn 4904]

That left side of the line is pretty damn good.  Wish we had Braun for more than a year (and hope Cosmi wants to come back).

[mininghorn88 2272]

1 hour ago, Lhorn said:

That left side of the line is pretty damn good.  Wish we had Braun for more than a year (and hope Cosmi wants to come back).

Braun's motor is always running.  His father is a coach and his older brother also played and was a multi-year starter for GT so he knows what it takes.  He is downright nasty at LG and I like to believe that his intensity is contagious.

[HOOK'EMHOOAH 1610]

3 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Texas offensive lineman Derek Kerstetter (68) works against Kansas State defensive end Tanner Wood (34) in Austin on Oct. 7, 2017. NICK WAGNER / AMERICAN-STATESMAN

"Texas notebook: Longhorns linemen bond over grilling competitions, living arrangements"

October 1st, 2019. Danny Davis   

Texas offensive lineman Derek Kerstetter spent his 21st birthday Monday at a Chipotle.  That was by choice, though. The junior swears by the food chain and highly recommends a double serving of rice in your burrito bowl. Fellow lineman Samuel Cosmi said that Kerstetter has even been known to bring his own Chipotle into other restaurants that the linemen are dining at.  “I firmly believe Chipotle is the best restaurant in Austin,” Kerstetter said on Tuesday. “It’s great for you, it’s great (for your) budget and it’s great food.”

As passionate as Kerstetter is about Chipotle, it isn’t his only culinary love. He’s been grilling since high school. That hobby has set up a rivalry within his own home.  During UT’s weekly availability with players, both Kerstetter and senior center Zach Shackelford claimed to be the grill master of the house they share with four other linemen. Shackelford, whose bye-week activity included grilling a bone-in ribeye, is known for his seasoning and preference of charcoal. Kerstetter does a mean marinade and can use a smoker.  “They both cook really, really good steaks,” Cosmi said.  Shackelford, Kerstetter and Cosmi are roommates with backup linemen J.P. Urquidez and Reese Moore. Mikey Grandy, who medically retired before the 2018 season, also lives among the Longhorn linemen. When that house hosts the linemen for dinners, Shackelford said the grocery bill can be “pretty pricey.”

Five of the seven sacks allowed by Texas this season came in the LSU game. The Longhorns are averaging 165.5 yards on the ground. In Kerstetter’s eyes, those on-field successes are related to the off-field bonding.  “We’re basically like brothers. We’re like a little family,” Kerstetter said. “It’s been a lot of fun just kind of growing closer and seeing each other more outside of the football bubble.”

Grade corrections: Each week, Texas uses a grading system to determine how its offensive linemen fared. Cosmi, a redshirt sophomore, said he first graded out as a champion during the second game of the 2018 season. At first, he recalled, “it seemed like it was almost nearly impossible to grade out as a champion.” Now Cosmi knows exactly what a championship performance looks like.  In fact, he recently corrected the grading done by assistant coach Herb Hand after the 36-30 win over Oklahoma State on Sept. 21. After receiving an 84 percent — champions must get at least an 85 — Cosmi obsessed over Hand’s scoring of one play. After watching film and concluding that his assignment and technique on that play were correct, he presented his findings to Hand. The coach agreed with the grading and Cosmi was given his fourth championship grade of the season.

“It’s just something about that. I don’t not want to be a champion,” said Cosmi, a 6-7, 300-pound left tackle. “Knowing that I did put the effort but my football ability didn’t let me grade out as a champion, there’s something about that just irritates me in the back of my head. Even being a point shy was irritating me.”

https://www.hookem.com/story/texas-notebook-longhorn-linemen-bond-over-grilling-competitions-and-living-arrangements/

I'm guessing he finally figured out the secret to eating chipotle.

[Machinator 32098]

 

[Lhorn 4904]

Braun's motor is always running.  His father is a coach and his older brother also played and was a multi-year starter for GT so he knows what it takes.  He is downright nasty at LG and I like to believe that his intensity is contagious.

Coming here he was considered very strong in run blocking but relatively less experienced in pass protection, no? The overall performance of the OL and especially in pass protection has to be extremely beneficial to him as a guy looking to prove his draft worthiness.

Hope Herman has a no Chipotle rule 72 hours before games. Don’t need the whole OL picking up food poisoning.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

20 hours ago, Laga4 said:

When we hired him I read over and over how he couldn't coach pass protection.  

Looks like he learned how. 

May have had to do with the Malzahn offense which is very run centric and has a lot of window dressing creating a lot of looks for defenses which in turn creates a lot of looks for OL countering those defenses. 

[satyanash 14402]

Up-and-down game for the line so far. Three sacks allowed, 92 rushing yards on 25 carries.

[Neonmoon 38129]

1 minute ago, satyanash said:

Up-and-down game for the line so far. Three sacks allowed, 92 rushing yards on 25 carries.

Where is the up part?

[Valmy77 13195]

7 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Up-and-down game for the line so far. Three sacks allowed, 92 rushing yards on 25 carries.

Yeah they are having much more trouble with this group than they had with LSU.

[futureman 22441]

13 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Where is the up part?

no fucking shit

[satyanash 14402]

Whatever the issue is, it's visibly affecting the offense. Three straight drives have produced no points, can't get any yardage between the tackles.

Edited October 5, 2019 by satyanash

[staboner 4964]

 think they are playing ok. i think WVU knows what plays are coming for the most part. runs and passes

[satyanash 14402]

13 minutes ago, staboner said:

 think they are playing ok. i think WVU knows what plays are coming for the most part. runs and passes

Playcalling's been super predictable. But we're still not getting much push in the middle. WVU LBs are flowing to the ball pretty much unhindered.

[satyanash 14402]

 

[pacman 7346]

Looks like we have a tell or tendency in the run game.

Stills is slanting just about every time we are trying an impossible reach block with the right guard

Edited October 5, 2019 by pacman

[satyanash 14402]

Touchdown Cosmi!!!

 

Edited October 5, 2019 by satyanash

[Coach pop a bitch 5459]

Fuck yes Cosmi! 

[Funk Doctor Spock 12132]

Is Wescott always a dumb fuck? Who ever called Cosmi fat?

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2649]

Time for my weekly Herb Hand is a god post.  

 

 

Spoiler alert.  He is. 

[satyanash 14402]

Fuck you, Kirk Bohls

 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

Just now, longhornmatt said:

I would fly a fire Tom Herman banner if we tried to throw a fucking backwards pass to an offensive lineman against OU.  I’m good with the time and place for that call, Kurt.

Respectfully disagree. However, I expect Roschon will pass it to Sam for a TD.

I have no idea why we were so bad in the run today. Somebody who knows more than me should explain it.

Edited October 6, 2019 by Thetexashammer

[futureman 22441]

Just now, Thetexashammer said:

Respectfully disagree. I expect Roschon will pass it to Sam for a TD.

I’m surprised we haven’t yet seen a roschon halfback pass.

[satyanash 14402]

15 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

I have no idea why we were so bad in the run today. Somebody who knows more than me should explain it.

Ian Boyd explains it a bit in his 'quick thought #2' here:

 

[Jkwellborn 6670]

I’m surprised we haven’t yet seen a roschon halfback pass.

That’s coming next week against ou sux.

[Machinator 32098]

 

[Burt Macklin 19000]

16 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

Respectfully disagree. However, I expect Roschon will pass it to Sam for a TD.

I have no idea why we were so bad in the run today. Somebody who knows more than me should explain it.

That kind of stuff always becomes much more apparent on rewatch, which I haven’t done, so I could be off, but the biggest thing I noticed is we kept trying to run zone away from the side Darius Stills was lined up. Much like we’ve done to many teams on defense, Stills/WVU knew it was coming and when a guy with Stills’ quickness slants towards the zone, it’s almost impossible to stop. Most of the time we were asking Angilau to reach block Stills on zones to the left, which was pretty much an impossible task. Shack should have (or should have been coached to) help Angilau our before moving on, but instead he helped out Braun (who didn’t need help most of the time), then tried to move to the second level. Shack did what you’d normally do on that play, but the coaches should’ve changed it up for this game, or not called the play. 
We also generally had a lack of creativity and failed to call runs or screens that would make Stills pay for over pursuing. Overall, I think issues in the run game were more due to playcalling/a lack of creativity, than our players having bad games. The coaches did a poor job of putting them in positions to win. 
 

 

Edited October 6, 2019 by Burt Macklin

[Jkwellborn 6670]

Stills was slanting to it every time and Angilau couldn’t reach block him. It was pretty dang foolish to keep trying.

[futureman 22441]

1 hour ago, Machinator said:

 

4/5 OL from the bigXII

[Coach pop a bitch 5459]

2nd half decides if we are still alive for a playoff spot. You hear about championship rounds that's what this 2nd half is. Oline needs to push and protect better. The game is squarely on the olines shoulders.

[satyanash 14402]

Gallimore is eating our interior O-line alive. This is brutal.

Fourth sack of the day.

[BigVegasHorn26 630]

They’re getting worked.  Not sure they realize they’re in a dogfight.  

[satyanash 14402]

Redmond burned Kerstetter two plays in a row with a speed rush. Brutal.

[satyanash 14402]

Seven sacks allowed. Wow.

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

Some of these sacks are not their fault.  Sam is holding on to the ball way too long .