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On 11/9/2020 at 4:56 PM, JBJ said:

GTE Counter entered the playbook and was well-blocked.

I’ve been saying we need to run more misdirection and power concepts all year. They finally did it halfway through the season and it went for 50+. I fully expect Herman to not ever call it again. 
 

the lack of pre-snap motion, usage of TE on play-action and lack of misdirection in this offense is infuriating. We’re at a massive scheme disadvantage almost every game, and they don’t do nearly enough to give our QB who struggles with reading the defense easy reads. 

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If TEXAS wants to compete for Championships again, O-line is the group that has to raise it's level the most... 

Btw...Coach Hand getting paid as Texas OL Coach is a crime

Scipio Tex WVU comments...    Thanks @satyanash

1. The Longhorn running game broke out man/gap blocking schemes and surprised West Virginia with counters, power, and pulling linemen. Texas racked up 109 yards rushing in the first quarter, including big runs from Bijan Robinson. Texas is simply too poorly coached to execute outside zone and the Longhorn OL and runners are much better in more intuitive man/gap schemes. Texas should be running counter gap, pin n pull, inside zone, and power from here on out. Then building some constraint plays off of them in play action and with jet sweeps. This revelation occurring in November is par for the course for Herman.

2. Longhorn pass protection was relatively good. You can credit a running game with a heartbeat, the ****canning of the idiot play-action slide protection from weeks previous, and good competitiveness from the OL. WVU exploited some Horn protection calls with a pretty simple edge stunt on some 3rd downs, but apocalyptic scenarios where the Stills brothers and WVU’s other pass rushers dominated the Longhorn OL just didn’t happen. The Texas OL won more often than it lost and there were plenty of ties.  TE Jared Wiley got the start and the lion’s share of snaps from 11 personnel. That decision should have been made in September, but now he has a chance to grow into the job. If Texas can start running the ball in gap schemes, he’s a big potential target in the seam.

 

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This group is much better suited to man/gap blocking and early Texas success in the running game demonstrated that. It’s a lot more intuitive and allows big athletes to mash on a guy, often with angle advantage. That success in the running game was relatively short-lived once WVU adjusted (Texas rushed for 109 in Q1, 70 over the next three quarters) and Texas didn’t have any adjustments to re-establish early gains, but it’s a direction that Texas should be pursuing going forward. It also gave the WVU defensive front a lot to think about and I don't think it's coincidence that this was their least effective outing of the season. The Stills Brothers had very little game impact.

WVU exploited one of our protections by bringing Tonkery off of the edge next to a WVU DE. Both times, Christian Jones tried to help the guard set his guy before coming off to Tonkery. Both times Tonkery ran right past him. That’s a poorly taught/executed scheme. Jones also had a holding call that hurt us. Probably the best game from the Longhorn interior OL to date.

Overall, this unit gets plaudits for holding up extremely well in 1 on 1 matchups with a WVU DL that had notched 20 sacks coming into this game. They finished with only 1 sack and Ehlinger threw from multiple clean pockets. The unit also showed that they are capable of creating space in the running game if not burdened by a poorly taught scheme. When Texas fans bemoan Longhorn OL talent, games like this should be a wake up call as to our actual potential. Texas only scored 17 points largely because of the skill player’s inability to execute. The Texas OL created plenty of opportunities.

Jared Wiley got the bulk of snaps at TE. He was kept in on a fair number of passing downs to offer a 6 or 7 man protection. Blocking was average, but he’s much better as a move TE coming across the formation to screen or kick out an edge defender than as a hand down TE trying to take on a big defender.

 

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So against Iowa State,  will TEXAS finally call more running plays using man/gap schemes which have been more successful for this current O-line group??

Scipio Tex:  "Texas is simply too poorly coached to execute outside zone and the Longhorn OL and runners are much better in more intuitive man/gap schemes.  It’s a lot more intuitive and allows big athletes to mash on a guy, often with angle advantage.   Texas should be running counter gap, pin n pull, inside zone, and power from here on out. Then building some constraint plays off of them in play action and with jet sweeps. This revelation occurring in November is par for the course for Herman. "

 

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Christian Jones picking up where he left off. Gets blown up on a goal-line run and Texas has to settle for 3.

You done getting your rocks off? Who knew a young starter with very little off season or spring practice would not be good 8 games in. Damn, you must be a blast to hang out with.

Excuse after excuse. This is the state of Herman's O-line in his fourth year. He had more than enough time to ensure this wouldn't happen.

Btw your golden boy just killed our last-gasp drive with a hold.

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3 hours ago, Stunns38 said:

The o line did enough to win today. Sam held the ball too long a few plays and the playcalling outside the 1st qtr was mostly trash. That said, Herb Hand needs to go(if Herman comes back).

if they would have done enough to win we would have won, we didn't and they fucking suck

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The o line did enough to win today. Sam held the ball too long a few plays and the playcalling outside the 1st qtr was mostly trash. That said, Herb Hand needs to go(if Herman comes back).

Know why other teams can go for it on 4th and 1 and get the yard, but we can’t?
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Okafor is literally the worst linemen we've ever had. I don't care who you think is worse, they're not worse than stone foot mcholder. 

 

Also, Hook Em, Cosmi 🤘

Oh bullshit. Strong had multiple who were worse. They had a guy who literally didn't bother to come out of his stance on some plays.  

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59 minutes ago, Spider2YBanana said:

Okafor is literally the worst linemen we've ever had. I don't care who you think is worse, they're not worse than stone foot mcholder. 

 

Also, Hook Em, Cosmi 🤘

No love for 5 Star bust Tray Allen?

But yes, no Longhorn fan will miss Denzel on the field.

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1 minute ago, UDontKnow said:

Walters ended up being serviceable, but not 5*. Allen hardly ever saw the field, probably couldn't even keep the bench warm.

Yeah, that's true. I Walters had an injury history, too. Allen was just a complete bust much like Darrell Scott at his position. Except we weren't blessed with a transfer like Colorado was. 

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Herman with no clue who would be the starters at OL vs K-State with Cosmi and probably Kerstetter (ankle) out.  Moving a guy (C.Jones) who has sucked at Right Tackle to Left Tackle is ridiculous!!!

Not prepared -- Fire this fraud named Tom!!!

 

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Joseph Cook: With Cosmi gone, what’s next for the 2020 O-line?

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Two days after Texas’ 23-20 loss to Iowa State, redshirt junior left tackle Samuel Cosmi opted out of the Longhorns’ remaining games and began preparation for the NFL Draft. His departure means Texas must find a replacement for a pre-season All-American blindside protector with 34 consecutive starts to his name. Complicating the issue is Cosmi might not be the only starting UT offensive lineman unavailable for Saturday’s Big 12 game at Kansas State.

Texas head coach Tom Herman announced Monday Derek Kerstetter suffered an ankle sprain against ISU and had been in a walking boot the last several days. “We’ll try to get him out of that boot here in the next day or so and we’ll see what he can give us,” Herman said.

In the Longhorns’ Sunday practice, Herman said normal right tackle Christian Jones was at left tackle, freshman Jake Majors was at center, and sophomore Reese Moore at right tackle. Jones has started every game this year at right tackle, but his play has been inconsistent. Majors played in the season-opener versus UTEP once the game was decided. Moore has not appeared in a game at Texas.

“Herb (Hand) and I haven’t talked a whole lot about it prior to our 45-minute practice yesterday,” Herman said. “I think a lot does depend on Derek’s health, and we’ll know more as we get closer.” Herman and offensive line coach Herb Hand will have the next three days of practice to determine the best five-man combination to face the Wildcat defensive front, with Herman specifically mentioning Wyatt Hubert, Khalid Duke, and Eli Higgins as players who stand out.

Those three are part of a defensive line group Herman may have slightly overestimated during his Monday news conference. He claimed the Wildcats were one of the top teams in the nation and maybe the top team in the conference in terms of sacks and tackles for loss. The Wildcat D-line finds themselves in good standing as part of a defense ranked No. 24 nationally in sacks and No. 34 in TFL, but their best Big 12 place in either category is third.

Still, life without Cosmi is a major adjustment, and crafting the best offensive line from available players will have a major impact on the Longhorn offense. Herman could use the tackle combination of Jones and Moore as he did on Sunday to keep four of the regular starting five on the field. Jones has maintained a hold on the right tackle spot in 2020, while Moore is gunning to make his first career appearance despite an early-season knee scope.

Other options at either tackle spot mentioned by Herman were true freshman Andrej Karic and redshirt freshman Tyler Johnson. Karic played left tackle in the season-opening game versus UTEP, while Johnson is also looking to make his first career appearance. In the middle, Majors is the likely next man up behind Kerstetter if the senior captain cannot go on Saturday.

Majors has held the backup center role for most of the year, evidenced by his pre-game work with backup quarterback Casey Thompson, and third string center Rafiti Ghirmai’s pre-game work with third string quarterback Hudson Card. Sophomore Junior Angilau and senior Denzel Okafor should hold on to their respective guard spots, though Okafor has played tackle for Herman at Texas.

Could Kerstetter play tackle? He did during his first three seasons at Texas, but Hand and Herman would need to determine the O-line would benefit from Kerstetter outside and Majors in his place at center. Plenty of options are in front of Hand and Herman but finding the right option without Cosmi (and potentially Kerstetter) is a significant challenge at this point in the season.

 

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