Texas O-line talk

[Hagbard Celine 10,734]

rice first half grade:

zero

point

zero

[Monahorns 34]

On 3 occasions the tv crew has shown the OL completing missing assignments. Embarrassing.

[Hagbard Celine 10,734]

QE was 14 for 23 and by my count had a clean pocket on 6 of the 23 throws

[Hagbard Celine 10,734]

first drive of the 2nd half: clean pocket the whole way

[msucolt45 3,982]

Whipped by Rice’s front (UT OL) during the first half didn’t allow Texas to establish the running or passing game. It’s like they were going through the motions and “practice” was tougher than what they’d expect from Rice. That’s how teams lose to lower “caliber” teams, but look great vs good teams!

OL needs a kick in the ass prior to next weekend! If it weren’t for the Defense, this game would be more close than we want, as if it isn’t already!

Hook’em!!!

[Capn81 372]

Really awful performance by this unit today. You do not go anywhere as a team if this unit continues to play like today.

[LTtxfan 48,928]

47 minutes ago, Capn81 said:

Really awful performance by this unit today. You do not go anywhere as a team if this unit continues to play like today.

Yeah, I expected a lot better results from our o-line with Flood coaching.

Today was a real shitshow from OL

[Capn81 372]

Yeah, I expected a lot better results from our o-line with Flood coaching.
Today was a real shitshow from OL

Same. Plenty of time to fix it before conference games start, but today was not good.

[Smax 3,799]

1 hour ago, Capn81 said:

Really awful performance by this unit today. You do not go anywhere as a team if this unit continues to play like today.

 

 

Yes it was, I don't know what the answer is but Rice was in our backfield from the start. I want to say 3 hurries, 1 tfl and a pressure on the first 2 drives?

[Codaxx 5,588]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Yeah, I expected a lot better results from our o-line with Flood coaching.

Today was a real shitshow from OL

OL seemed to change when Neto came in for Campbell. It is a small sample size, but he needs some more time on the field. 

[CowboyFred 1,151]

4 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

OL seemed to change when Neto came in for Campbell. It is a small sample size, but he needs some more time on the field. 

Yup. Campbell looked completely lost out there. Neto should starts

[Candi Fisther 87]

Reporting in after seeing that game

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

Posted elsewhere, but this is the first Texas OL that's gotten much positive preseason press, see above, in I don't know how long, 15 years?

Seems quite possible they had begun to believe their own bullshit.  Seemed to turn it up in the second some.

[Atticus 3,919]

Rice came to play and they showed a lot of psuedo pressure. Lots of mental tricks from their front that gave our guys fits early and often. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Neto get even more run next week. Hopefully Campbell is healthy and understands how to pass protect better by next week. They absolutely must protect Quinn better than they did for much of today's game.

Edited September 3, 2023 by Atticus

[Mitch Cumsteen 18,517]

Tough day. Campbell was getting pushed back in pass pro enough for me to notice. Wasn't expecting that. 

If this unit can't impose its will on Rice, it doesn't bode well for Tuscaloosa next Saturday. Hope they get their shit together. 

[Codaxx 5,588]

35 minutes ago, Atticus said:

Rice came to play and they showed a lot of psuedo pressure. Lots of mental tricks from their front that gave our guys fits early and often. 

I wouldn't be surprised to see Neto get even more run next week. Hopefully Campbell is healthy and understands how to pass protect better by next week. They absolutely must protect Quinn better than they did for much of today's game.

Feel like everyone is going to borrow that Aranda game plan, until the prove they handle it 

[Coach pop a bitch 5,459]

I know its one start in his young career but damn did Campbell look awful.  I have big hopes for him but it was bad. Hell even banks looked lost

[LTtxfan 48,928]

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

[LTtxfan 48,928]

11 hours ago, Coach pop a bitch said:

I know its one start in his young career but damn did Campbell look awful.  I have big hopes for him but it was bad. Hell even banks looked lost

Yeah I was surprised by the mistakes of Banks on a few plays.

[LTtxfan 48,928]

On 9/1/2023 at 8:07 PM, Coach pop a bitch said:

Vs bama last year the rb pass blocking was superb.  Dont think these rbs are half the pass blockers Bijan and RJ were.

Baxter has been mentioned as a decent blocker in pass pro... hated to see him get injured yesterday.  

[Hard Times 296]

6 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

Sark and adjust in the same sentence? Wasting 1st down against Bama is going to get Quinn's head taken off. Then all those wanting Murphy may get it sooner than anticipated.

[Bozo_Casanova 26,232]

On 7/20/2023 at 6:15 AM, LTtxfan said:

 

1. michigan
2. jawja
3. beavers (oregonSt)
4. bama
5. trojans
6. fightin' irish
7. Texas
8. geaux tigers
9. aggy
10. florida state

 

7. TEXAS LONGHORNS

Texas is the only school on this list that returns all five starters from a year ago. However, it was a unit that finished just 73rd in the country last season in PFF grade (61.6), so improvements are needed.

There are bright spots, though, particularly at offensive tackle. Kelvin Banks Jr. is a top-10 tackle in the country and was stellar as a true freshman in 2022. His 3.5% pressure rate allowed on true pass sets ranked sixth among Power Five tackles. Christian Jones will once again start on the right side and finished third among Big 12 tackles last year with a 2.7% pressure rate allowed.

Jake Majors is entering his third season as the Longhorns’ starting center and was seventh among Power Five ones last year with an 81.9 pass-blocking grade. The weakness of this group is at guard, as both Hayden Conner and Cole Hutson earned sub-55.0 grades in 2022. Hutson was just a true freshman, to be fair. If he and Conner don’t take a leap, though, Texas could turn to DJ Campbell, a five-star recruit in the 2022 class who earned an 83.1 pass-blocking grade on limited snaps last season.

 

https://www.pff.com/news/college-football-top-10-offensive-lines-2023

[Duane Moore 5,236]

18 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

I agree with a lot of your points, but

[LTtxfan 48,928]

[Hagbard Celine 10,734]

3 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

The mental mistakes by o-line have to get reduced.  

Ewers needs to get faster with reads and get the fuckin' ball out quicker to help o-line.

SARK better adjust to Ewers strengths and protect Ewer's weaknesses.  Short passing offense including RBs to help Quinn. Run more 7man football shit!!!  Don't be afraid to have more 12 play offensive possessions -- SARK has to fuckin' evolve with his playcallin'

The deep throws will get better once Quinn starts hitting more underneath stuff.  Stay out of so many fuckin' 3rd and longs...

QE needs a clean pocket to run through progressions; as posted by someone else (take credit if you're reading) the 4th dimension unlocked for McCoy between 08 and 09 and he was accurate on the move and in a dirty pocket while reading his options.

QE is not there yet, or has not shown he is there yet, as he still lacks accuracy deep on throws that have to be placed, even when stationary with a clean pocket.

Sorry of the QE diversion, for me watching from home the game was won by the OL in the 3rd quarter when clearly there was a dramatic 100% improvement in the OL and QE was able to matriculate 3 TDs in a row.

 

[Coach pop a bitch 5,459]

 

[Texas Flood 1,356]

Cole Hutson was out with a minor injury.

 

Lineup should now be Neto to LG. DJ, Connor, Hutson to duke out for RG.

[Codaxx 5,588]

Anyone have the PFF grades from this game?

[LTtxfan 48,928]

5 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

QE needs a clean pocket to run through progressions; as posted by someone else (take credit if you're reading) the 4th dimension unlocked for McCoy between 08 and 09 and he was accurate on the move and in a dirty pocket while reading his options.

QE is not there yet, or has not shown he is there yet, as he still lacks accuracy deep on throws that have to be placed, even when stationary with a clean pocket.

Sorry of the QE diversion, for me watching from home the game was won by the OL in the 3rd quarter when clearly there was a dramatic 100% improvement in the OL and QE was able to matriculate 3 TDs in a row.

 

QE also has to work on converting some off-script plays with WRs.  Evade rush and make some good throws.  This offense needs Quinn to sustain more drives.

Colorado and usc QBs are great at making plays to move the chains, when the original play breaks down.   

[Had Enough 2,054]

Cole Hutson was out with a minor injury.
 
Lineup should now be Neto to LG. DJ, Connor, Hutson to duke out for RG.

So Connor goes from starter to duking it out at a different position whereas the backup goes to starter without question?

Anyone have the PFF grades from this game?

Ask @HenryJames

[Codaxx 5,588]

59 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

QE also has to work on converting some off-script plays with WRs.  Evade rush and make some good throws.  This offense needs Quinn to sustain more drives.

Colorado and usc QBs are great at making plays to move the chains, when the original play breaks down.   

I watched that Colorado game. I think the RB had over 100 yards of YAC alone. They didn’t hit a lot of balls down the field. Colorado shredded TCU underneath. The offense mostly stayed on schedule. Like to see Sark emphasize efficiency over explosive in the passing game, until Quinn and the OL grow up 

[LTtxfan 48,928]

50 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

I watched that Colorado game. I think the RB had over 100 yards of YAC alone. They didn’t hit a lot of balls down the field. Colorado shredded TCU underneath. The offense mostly stayed on schedule. Like to see Sark emphasize efficiency over explosive in the passing game, until Quinn and the OL grow up 

Agree... gotta get the guards playing better.

 

Such bullshit... C'mon Flood !!!

[LTtxfan 48,928]

Scipio Tex

Offensive Line

Interior OL play remains a work in progress and parts of this unit certainly didn’t exhibit the motor, cohesion and decisiveness expected. Here’s a compilation of Jaydon Blue runs. Watch No. 76 Hayden Conner (he plays both LG and some RG at the end when we bring in Neto Umeozulu).

How would you describe #76’s pad level on these run plays? Overall effort level? Is he delivering blows or receiving the defender on run blocks? How many times does he make initial contact and then either pull up or have the defender slide off immediately? How many blocks did he finish? How many plays end with him watching the RB or on the ground? How did he look on the pull? When covered up by a DL, does he get push or hope to stalemate? Is this player improved from last year? That’s just a representative sample across multiple runs, not lowlights per se. For what’s it’s worth, he pass blocked pretty well except for one miscue. You can also expand your view beyond guard and note overall line play. Who is moving defenders and trying to impose their will? Who is stalemating and hoping the runner does something great?

DJ Campbell too often played with indecision that robbed him of aggression and rendered him less than effective on passing downs. He gave up multiple pressures and a sack. He was better on run downs, though the promised road grading didn’t show up. As I’ve cautioned every time he has been brought up in the offseason, interior offensive linemen who give up free runs at the QB can’t be played long term, no matter their 5 star status. DJ is very inexperienced, so some time must be given for him to level up before moving him out.

On the interior OL, the coaches also have to choose from the best of imperfect options and try to coach ’em up. There is no panacea. Kelvin Banks and Christian Jones played well overall. While I can call out some individual player gaffes, the larger responsibility for the line being able to handle stunts, show technique and killer instinct and exhibit pad levels lower than the upper deck rests on Kyle Flood.   I hope his pupils show better coordination in Tuscaloosa, aided by the game plan. As an aside, Rice’s #55 De’Braylon Carroll is a 5-11, 285 pound baller and they had a few guys up front who were relatively capable and played hard.

[ImissWallyPryor 9,045]

1 hour ago, LTtxfan said:

Scipio Tex

Offensive Line

Interior OL play remains a work in progress and parts of this unit certainly didn’t exhibit the motor, cohesion and decisiveness expected. Here’s a compilation of Jaydon Blue runs. Watch No. 76 Hayden Conner (he plays both LG and some RG at the end when we bring in Neto Umeozulu).

How would you describe #76’s pad level on these run plays? Overall effort level? Is he delivering blows or receiving the defender on run blocks? How many times does he make initial contact and then either pull up or have the defender slide off immediately? How many blocks did he finish? How many plays end with him watching the RB or on the ground? How did he look on the pull? When covered up by a DL, does he get push or hope to stalemate? Is this player improved from last year? That’s just a representative sample across multiple runs, not lowlights per se. For what’s it’s worth, he pass blocked pretty well except for one miscue. You can also expand your view beyond guard and note overall line play. Who is moving defenders and trying to impose their will? Who is stalemating and hoping the runner does something great?

DJ Campbell too often played with indecision that robbed him of aggression and rendered him less than effective on passing downs. He gave up multiple pressures and a sack. He was better on run downs, though the promised road grading didn’t show up. As I’ve cautioned every time he has been brought up in the offseason, interior offensive linemen who give up free runs at the QB can’t be played long term, no matter their 5 star status. DJ is very inexperienced, so some time must be given for him to level up before moving him out.

On the interior OL, the coaches also have to choose from the best of imperfect options and try to coach ’em up. There is no panacea. Kelvin Banks and Christian Jones played well overall. While I can call out some individual player gaffes, the larger responsibility for the line being able to handle stunts, show technique and killer instinct and exhibit pad levels lower than the upper deck rests on Kyle Flood.   I hope his pupils show better coordination in Tuscaloosa, aided by the game plan. As an aside, Rice’s #55 De’Braylon Carroll is a 5-11, 285 pound baller and they had a few guys up front who were relatively capable and played hard.

The last play for Campbell in that video was at the :39 mark (3Q 3:33 3rd and 3…had fun typing this). He gets rolled up. Was he injured, or did he get pulled for suckage?

Edited September 4, 2023 by ImissWallyPryor
Lots of 3s

[ClubWhatever 12,085]

12 minutes ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

The last play for Campbell in that video was at the :39 mark (3Q 3:33 3rd and 3…had fun typing this). He gets rolled up. Was he injured, or did he get pulled for suckage?

He was laying on the field for a few minutes and then hobbled off.  Gerry said he was limping after the game. 

[Red Five 40,593]

Campbell was in a boot yesterday. 

Not that I would have been enthusiastic about playing him against Bama after what we were treated to Saturday.

[ImissWallyPryor 9,045]

45 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

He was laying on the field for a few minutes and then hobbled off.  Gerry said he was limping after the game. 

Glad I was paying attention! 

[Texas Flood 1,356]

17 hours ago, Had Enough said:

So Connor goes from starter to duking it out at a different position whereas the backup goes to starter without question?

Yes.

[Had Enough 2,054]

Yes.

Well let’s hope your strategy works.

[Codaxx 5,588]

18 hours ago, Had Enough said:

So Connor goes from starter to duking it out at a different position whereas the backup goes to starter without question?
Ask @HenryJames

It’s going to be interesting to see the depth chart for Bama at Guard. Neto was the best on the day, with the caveat he came in later vs a more tired defense.  Connor and Campbell were straight up poor. Campbell is in a boot. I wouldn’t be surprised to see 2 new starters for Bama, health permitting on Hutson. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,486]

For starting as many games as he has Jake Majors looked like shit Saturday.

[ClubWhatever 12,085]

Just now, BurntOrange&White said:

For starting as many games as he has Jake Majors looked like shit Saturday.

He can turn people but he can't push anybody.  He had a few good plays in the run game where he turned people.  But he also had his usual handful of plays where he got shoved into the backfield.   It's just always going to be a limitation of the run game with him at center.  

[Codaxx 5,588]

5 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

He can turn people but he can't push anybody.  He had a few good plays in the run game where he turned people.  But he also had his usual handful of plays where he got shoved into the backfield.   It's just always going to be a limitation of the run game with him at center.  

Connor is in that group also. He doesn’t move people. Campbell struggled also, but I think that was more about him playing his 1st game. We have seen him move people before. Majors is never going to be a road grader. He can be adequate, but his weakness is magnified when you put a guard next him with the same struggles. 

[BurntOrange&White 39,486]

2 minutes ago, Codaxx said:

Connor is in that group also. He doesn’t move people. Campbell struggled also, but I think that was more about him playing his 1st game. We have seen him move people before. Majors is never going to be a road grader. He can be adequate, but his weakness is magnified when you put a guard next him with the same struggles. 

I notice when Connor pulls a lot he just gets stonewalled like half the time.

Depending on how hurt Hutson is the move for Bama may be Banks - Neto - Majors - Campbell/Conner - Jones

Edited September 4, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[LTtxfan 48,928]

Mon Sept 4th

Talkin' Ball: Offensive Line | Evaluating OL Against Alabama | On Texas Football | Brandon Baker

[MichaelDicksonFanClub 2,861]

Anyone have this one?

https://utdonors.thefootballbrainiacs.com/sourced-potential-ol-switch-up-vs-alabama/

[Codaxx 5,588]

4 minutes ago, MichaelDicksonFanClub said:

Anyone have this one?

https://utdonors.thefootballbrainiacs.com/sourced-potential-ol-switch-up-vs-alabama/

I haven’t, but pretty good chance it is about Neto

[Red Five 40,593]

I get it, obviously, but an OL shakeup after game one against Rice.... yikes. 

[dcar00 14,023]

It is beyond ridiculous we can't have a competent OLine.  how the fuck does Kyle Flood still have a job if this is what his coaching gives us?

[hookem48 4,631]

11 hours ago, LTtxfan said:

Scipio Tex

Offensive Line

Interior OL play remains a work in progress and parts of this unit certainly didn’t exhibit the motor, cohesion and decisiveness expected. Here’s a compilation of Jaydon Blue runs. Watch No. 76 Hayden Conner (he plays both LG and some RG at the end when we bring in Neto Umeozulu).

How would you describe #76’s pad level on these run plays? Overall effort level? Is he delivering blows or receiving the defender on run blocks? How many times does he make initial contact and then either pull up or have the defender slide off immediately? How many blocks did he finish? How many plays end with him watching the RB or on the ground? How did he look on the pull? When covered up by a DL, does he get push or hope to stalemate? Is this player improved from last year? That’s just a representative sample across multiple runs, not lowlights per se. For what’s it’s worth, he pass blocked pretty well except for one miscue. You can also expand your view beyond guard and note overall line play. Who is moving defenders and trying to impose their will? Who is stalemating and hoping the runner does something great?

DJ Campbell too often played with indecision that robbed him of aggression and rendered him less than effective on passing downs. He gave up multiple pressures and a sack. He was better on run downs, though the promised road grading didn’t show up. As I’ve cautioned every time he has been brought up in the offseason, interior offensive linemen who give up free runs at the QB can’t be played long term, no matter their 5 star status. DJ is very inexperienced, so some time must be given for him to level up before moving him out.

On the interior OL, the coaches also have to choose from the best of imperfect options and try to coach ’em up. There is no panacea. Kelvin Banks and Christian Jones played well overall. While I can call out some individual player gaffes, the larger responsibility for the line being able to handle stunts, show technique and killer instinct and exhibit pad levels lower than the upper deck rests on Kyle Flood.   I hope his pupils show better coordination in Tuscaloosa, aided by the game plan. As an aside, Rice’s #55 De’Braylon Carroll is a 5-11, 285 pound baller and they had a few guys up front who were relatively capable and played hard.

just watch the guards on the 3rd play, then throw up and try to watch anymore