LSU @ Texas Analysis: LSU Offense

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I honestly don’t know what to expect in this game which is why I’m not talking shit.  I’ve watched both these teams closely over the last two seasons.  Both are capable of winning this game and both are capable of blowing it in the fourth quarter.  I just hope it doesn’t come down to something dumb like an obvious blown call or poor officiating in general.

[sushihorn 3233]

45 minutes ago, hookwhat said:

y'alls season WILL be over in 4 days....

Not to worry.  Yours will be over in 4 more posts...

[Pig Bellmont 8715]

26 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Use of "arse" or "frick" is an absolute dead giveaway of a sub-room temperature IQ.

More like texags where you can’t swear

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

3 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

More like texags where you can’t swear

I wonder how many languages have an idiomatic way of saying "distinction without a difference"?

Edited September 4, 2019 by Walden Ponderer
Fat fingers, skinny phone.

[Zavala 1384]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I honestly don’t know what to expect in this game which is why I’m not talking shit.  I’ve watched both these teams closely over the last two seasons.  Both are capable of winning this game and both are capable of blowing it in the fourth quarter.  I just hope it doesn’t come down to something dumb like an obvious blown call or poor officiating in general.

No worries, big12 refs are out fucking up other games right now. See Miami/Florida and Boise St/Florida St so far.

 

[Valmy77 13226]

1 hour ago, hookwhat said:

 

Well...touché good sir.

[Wishbone 4759]

5 hours ago, DayHeGeaux said:

 

Just for the record, and before the game, do you guys want to “be there” or not?

[babysdaddy 2721]

I honestly don’t know what to expect in this game which is why I’m not talking shit.  I’ve watched both these teams closely over the last two seasons.  Both are capable of winning this game and both are capable of blowing it in the fourth quarter.  I just hope it doesn’t come down to something dumb like an obvious blown call or poor officiating in general.

Are you coming in for the game?

[fattyflattie 4639]

Horns down. Very original avatar. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

12 minutes ago, babysdaddy said:

Are you coming in for the game?

I planned on it but my game buddy decided to get married and go on his honeymoon so we cancelled the Texas/LSU game trip.  I really wanted to go too but shit happens.  The wedding was awesome though, San Fernando Cathedral/river walk.  Big catholic wedding, everyone got hammered.

[Born Burnt 6178]

I planned on it but my game buddy decided to get married and go on his honeymoon so we cancelled the Texas/LSU game trip.  I really wanted to go too but shit happens.  The wedding was awesome though, San Fernando Cathedral/river walk.  Big catholic wedding, everyone got hammered.

Wtf?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I said I was coming to this game about a year ago. 

[pacman 7355]

 

the real game analysis to be discussed...rank 'em

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by pacman

[Modessit 5600]

Would I be surprised if Texas wins a close game? No.

Would I be surprised if LSU wins a close game? No.

Would I be surprised if Texas wins by 14 or more points? No.

Would I be surprised if LSU wins by 14 or more points? Yes.

[ShowmeyourTDs 1141]

12 hours ago, Homercles said:

Wow I remember some Georgia fans coming in cocksure ahead of the SB, and stirring some shit...but these LSU trolls are something else...I really hope Texas pushes that shit in, watching Georgia get steamrolled after Bevo literally tried to kill their mascot was incredibly rewarding last year and now you assholes have me hoping for another curb stomp   

I say ‘Texas’ because I’ve been a guest here since 2010...class of ‘02 from OkState for my undergrad...and as much as I love getting whipped into a froth with the actual Horns here, root them on as the biggest show in town, etc I know better than to kick the hornets nest because that shit tends to come back around   

So as someone from a fan base that actually has had a little bit of recent success against Texas  (yeah refs I know, stfu I’m trying to make a point) but purposely chooses to humbly take it in stride as a function of both karma and respect...you haven’t earned any kind of currency to wave your muledicks around, at least prove it on the field before you let your cunt hairs show.  

BTW I heard Thujone killed LSUFreek and sired South Austin on the same weekend, is that true?

Championship level hydration, right here.

 

12 hours ago, JBJ said:

Boobs!

=TD’s.

[SilasCoade 2622]

16 hours ago, White Tiger said:

OK.  <drops head and goes to the corner>

STOP FUCKING POSTING YOU INSIPID REGARD.

[ShowmeyourTDs 1141]

10 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I planned on it but my game buddy decided to get married and go on his honeymoon so we cancelled the Texas/LSU game trip.  I really wanted to go too but shit happens.  The wedding was awesome though, San Fernando Cathedral/river walk.  Big catholic wedding, everyone got hammered.

[TB1153 16]

Just a fellow Tiger here throwing my two cents.

We have historically leaned to hard on an excellent RB committee. It's why us fans have been so irritated with the old fashioned offenses. Joe Burrow has had low passing touchdowns because we run the ball on the goal line every damn time thus having more rushing touchdowns than the average team. We lost the Florida game two years ago because we did the same thing we do always do and got stuffed on the goal line trying to run the ball. OP states we dont have good running backs and I laughed. Clyde Edwards-Helaire and Lanard Fournette are both good APB's. John Emery Jr. is an elite back and if you dont believe me, look at his film. Youre not going to tackle him with one guy because he can make you miss. He runs very similar to Derrius Guice. Ty Davis Price runs very hard. We just have alot of options that are hard to choose from and will be used in different packages.

The new offense allows Burrow to choose what he wants to do on the play whether that's pass the ball, run the ball, or checkdown to running backs. Previously we ran QB runs and that's just too one dimensional. It helps a ton that this is a similar offense to the offense he ran at Ohio State which clearly gives yall a leg up. Keep in mind too, Burrow stepped foot on campus two months before the season last year and we have all of our receivers returning this year. They have had alot more reps now and it will be different.

Oline is just not that great. That's why our new offense over compensates for this to get the ball out of Burrow's hands faster. Open field tackling from your OLB's will be a big deciding factor in our success.

As far as our defense goes, this is the best defensive group I've seen from LSU in a while. We have so many talented safetys, LB's, and CB's that the packages we can run are endless. Last year K'Lavon Chaisson tore his ACL causing us to implement exotic blitz packages every play. Having him hack is a game changer. He's in the backfield every play at DE and can drop back into coverage at OLB. 

I know beating Georgia Southern means just about nothing to anyone but what it does show is that Burrow barely played one half of a game last week and the score was 42-3 at half. We didnt do that in one game last season and only beat an FCS team last year 31-0. 

It's going to be a great game this year and I think we're all excited for this matchup. If anyone wants to come stop my tailgate next year at LSU for some gumbo and beers, let me know. Competition is always great but southern hospitality comes before anything else, and yall are guests so we want yall to have the best experience possible next year for our neighbors. It's what differentiates us from other areas of the country is the best football, good food, and great people.

[JBJ 3654]

Bayou Defense

LSU is a Man-1 team the majority of the time.  They press their corners, use safeties over TEs, and ask their ILBs to chase RBs.  They mix in Fire Zones and Cover 3 as a constraint, but no Cover 2 or split zones.

Upfront is a 3-4 Tite.  This should look familiar, so I'll skip details.

They go Nickel by replacing overhang LBers with overhang hybrids.  They also employ a 3-3 Stack to stop spread runs, and a 2-4 pass rushing package.

They have a big dime package very similar to our personnel (safety/olb hybrids), but they haven't incorporated a joker safety postition as part of it.  It plays the same as their base, just lighter and faster.

Georgia is the best comp overall, but LSU doesn't shift fronts to formation like UGA did - instead they rely on run support from their safeties, or make a coaching adjustment to a Stack.

They adjusted several times to Bama's attack, but couldn't find the right balance (overall that wasn't a terrible defensive performance by any means).  They were stubborn against UCF, and it was a middling defensive performance (by LSU standards), but it was enough to win.  So there's no clear direction on how the in-game chess will play out.

I had them pegged as the #9 overall defense last year (UGA came in #8, ISU #13) and expect them to be top 5 this year.

[BigBenBamboozle 1952]

Joe Burrow had *three* completed passes of 10+ yards last Saturday. Almost all of his passes in that gaudy completion percentage came via short dink-and-dunk screens. 

[White Tiger 92]

14 hours ago, HtownHorn said:

Does your OL have 5 NFL players, because OU did last year, and they couldn't stop our front 7 from being disruptive?

As I see it, this is not the NFL, but otherwise you make an excellent point.  Secondly, I think the ONLY way that UT gets consistent pressure on the JB is through some very well disguised and timely blitzes.  JB, from what I have seen, is very good at reading defenses, of course not so sharp as Mr. Ehlinger, but he can hold his own.  JB will have plenty of targeting options allowing him to get rid of the ball on a hot read.  It seems reasonable also that LSU receivers will find themselves behind the vaunted and extremely talented UT secondary, aka DBU.  This eventuality will have not just a sobering effect on  longhorn nation, but also really loosen the defense making it more vulnerable to LSU's non-existent run game.

On the flip side, the LSU defense seems enthusiastic this year compared to the recent past in which they often appeared disinterested and, frankly, confused.  Something tells me that Aranda has them really in a tightly cohesive resonance that one typically only sees in a physics lab at Cal tech for instance.  They seem to recognize well presnap, but of course will be facing a legendary Tom Herman offense.  That is enough to make any competent DC tremble.  I see LSU getting pressure on SE when the run game stalls.  I think that Mr. Herman will be tempted to test Stingley since he is an ignorant and impressionable freshman.  This would be a mistake, but do not take my word for it.  Watch for yourselves on Saturday.  

Prediction:

LSU wins by at least double digits.

[HtownHorn 14678]

4 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

As I see it, this is not the NFL, but otherwise you make an excellent point.  Secondly, I think the ONLY way that UT gets consistent pressure on the JB is through some very well disguised and timely blitzes.  JB, from what I have seen, is very good at reading defenses, of course not so sharp as Mr. Ehlinger, but he can hold his own.  JB will have plenty of targeting options allowing him to get rid of the ball on a hot read.  It seems reasonable also that LSU receivers will find themselves behind the vaunted and extremely talented UT secondary, aka DBU.  This eventuality will have not just a sobering effect on  longhorn nation, but also really loosen the defense making it more vulnerable to LSU's non-existent run game.

On the flip side, the LSU defense seems enthusiastic this year compared to the recent past in which they often appeared disinterested and, frankly, confused.  Something tells me that Aranda has them really in a tightly cohesive resonance that one typically only sees in a physics lab at Cal tech for instance.  They seem to recognize well presnap, but of course will be facing a legendary Tom Herman offense.  That is enough to make any competent DC tremble.  I see LSU getting pressure on SE when the run game stalls.  I think that Mr. Herman will be tempted to test Stingley since he is an ignorant and impressionable freshman.  This would be a mistake, but do not take my word for it.  Watch for yourselves on Saturday.  

Prediction:

LSU wins by at least double digits.

Fromm was thoroughly confused by the Texas defense last year in the Sugar Bowl, he had no idea where the blitzer was coming from, and after several series, he was 2nd guessing himself which lead to a lot of bad throws. Burrow will have to be consistent in his pre-snap diagnosis, I just don't see him doing it because he's a functional retard playing the position, coached by a equal functioning retard.

Edited September 4, 2019 by HtownHorn

[Hiphopopotamos 20869]

9 minutes ago, BigBenBamboozle said:

Joe Burrow had *three* completed passes of 10+ yards last Saturday. Almost all of his passes in that gaudy completion percentage came via short dink-and-dunk screens. 

It makes one wonder whether all that quick passing was because they were worried about the capability of their OL..

[White Tiger 92]

Just now, HtownHorn said:

Fromm was thoroughly confused by the Texas defense last year in the Sugar Bowl, he had no idea where the blitzer was coming from, and after several series, he was 2nd guessing himself which lead to a lot of bad throws. Burrow will have to be consistent in his pre-snap diagnosis, I just don't see him doing it.

I do not disagree.  It JB can beat the blitz it may be church for the horns.  

[Pig Bellmont 8715]

4 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

the LSU defense seems enthusiastic this year compared to the recent past in which they often appeared disinterested and, frankly, confused.

Jesus Christ - you guys beat Georgia Southern and seem to think beating us will be just as easy as dominating a 6 loss Miami team from last year. If your defense looked shitty last week, you’d have some major problems, but luckily they were “enthusiastic” - whatever the fuck that means 

[bigcigar 1164]

3 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

As I see it, this is not the NFL, but otherwise you make an excellent point.  Secondly, I think the ONLY way that UT gets consistent pressure on the JB is through some very well disguised and timely blitzes.  JB, from what I have seen, is very good at reading defenses, of course not so sharp as Mr. Ehlinger, but he can hold his own.  JB will have plenty of targeting options allowing him to get rid of the ball on a hot read.  It seems reasonable also that LSU receivers will find themselves behind the vaunted and extremely talented UT secondary, aka DBU.  This eventuality will have not just a sobering effect on  longhorn nation, but also really loosen the defense making it more vulnerable to LSU's non-existent run game.

On the flip side, the LSU defense seems enthusiastic this year compared to the recent past in which they often appeared disinterested and, frankly, confused.  Something tells me that Aranda has them really in a tightly cohesive resonance that one typically only sees in a physics lab at Cal tech for instance.  They seem to recognize well presnap, but of course will be facing a legendary Tom Herman offense.  That is enough to make any competent DC tremble.  I see LSU getting pressure on SE when the run game stalls.  I think that Mr. Herman will be tempted to test Stingley since he is an ignorant and impressionable freshman.  This would be a mistake, but do not take my word for it.  Watch for yourselves on Saturday.  

Prediction:

LSU wins by at least double digits.

Burrow can’t be effective making hot reads if the defense is disguised.

Burrow will get cocky and try to force the ball downfield. LSU will revert to boring, predictable offense after Stearn’s second pick.

Our run game won’t stall unless there’s an injury.

Chaisson’s enthusiasm will stall after Cosmi’s third pancake.

[HtownHorn 14678]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

It makes one wonder whether all that quick passing was because they were worried about the capability of their OL..

Nah it's because the Georgia Southern defense played soft coverage.

[Pig Bellmont 8715]

2 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

It makes one wonder whether all that quick passing was because they were worried about the capability of their OL..

This is 100% the reason for the quick passing game. GL on those long developing routes downfield. I’m sure your OL will keep Burrows completely free

[Huckleberry 32859]

9 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

Prediction:

LSU wins by at least double digits.

Do you understand that what you wrote implies a triple digit victory is a possibility? I'm genuinely curious as I'm not familiar with the Louisiana education system. 

[HtownHorn 14678]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

This is 100% the reason for the quick passing game. GL on those long developing routes downfield. I’m sure your OL will keep Burrows completely free

Deculus is a sieve.

[Pig Bellmont 8715]

Honestly, the last time I saw this much arrogance from a team was 2005 USC. At least they had some skins on the wall and two Heisman winners. Not some offense who has been shut out twice in three years against its biggest conference challenger. But sure. Burrows is the second coming of Drew Brees bc your non-play calling passing game coordinator used to work for the Saints. 

[Tex Long 4392]

47 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

... LSU wins by at least double digits.

So... we don't have to worry about getting our asses kicked by, say, 110-7? Good to know.

 

EDIT: Huck got there before me. Maths and English - how do they co-exist, ever?

Edited September 4, 2019 by Tex Long
Kudos

[GoldAppleCorps 619]

LSU has a ton of talent. Their defense is for real. The Texas OL showed up bigly against LaTech, but we'll start to find out now if it was them or the opponent.

The Texas defense is no place to learn the spread. I know the Tigers fans are giddy over seeing a pass thrown and more than 2 receivers on the field at once. Here in the Big 12, we call that "Saturday". It literally happens to us every week. Every team, for the last 10 years, plays at least some type of that game in the Big 12. We've built a defense to stop literally nothing but that. The best spread offenses, collectively, live in the Big 12.

A previous post said we wouldn't pressure Burrow without well timed and well disguised blitzes. You just described Orlando's standard defense. Like, every play. We're one DL and an assortment of guys ranging from fast and strong to faster and stronger. A strength of the spread offense is counting the defenders and attacking where they lack numbers. The Texas defense doesn't stand still to be counted. It's just impossible to tell who's covering or who's rushing until the ball is snapped. "Getting the ball out quickly" is all fine and good, but if you miscounted, then we'll see if Joe Burrow is faster than Joe Ossai.

I'm not gutsy enough to predict an easy Texas win. The Tigers are a for-real opponent, and winning will be earned.

[White Tiger 92]

32 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Do you understand that what you wrote implies a triple digit victory is a possibility? I'm genuinely curious as I'm not familiar with the Louisiana education system. 

Well, it could also in theory mean 4 digits, but the alternative was to say more than single digits so I went with double digit win as I assumed, perhaps in error, that because since Georgia Tech's victory over Cumberland by 222-0 many, many years ago (1916) was the only time that a triple digit victory occurred, that the likelihood of something like that happening again, even against UT, was remote and understood by all.  But thanks for pointing that out.

[XYZ 2154]

Texas by TWO touchdowns. Better coaching. Better QB. Home field advantage.

[White Tiger 92]

Just now, XYZ said:

Texas by TWO touchdowns. Better coaching. Better QB. Home field advantage.

That could happen.  It could.  

[Tex Long 4392]

Our first game didn't show much, either O or D. Didn't seem like we were getting to the QB much, like most of last season. Maybe just not showing the candy... Gonna be an interesting game, fer sher.

[White Tiger 92]

3 minutes ago, GoldAppleCorps said:

LSU has a ton of talent. Their defense is for real. The Texas OL showed up bigly against LaTech, but we'll start to find out now if it was them or the opponent.

The Texas defense is no place to learn the spread. I know the Tigers fans are giddy over seeing a pass thrown and more than 2 receivers on the field at once. Here in the Big 12, we call that "Saturday". It literally happens to us every week. Every team, for the last 10 years, plays at least some type of that game in the Big 12. We've built a defense to stop literally nothing but that. The best spread offenses, collectively, live in the Big 12.

A previous post said we wouldn't pressure Burrow without well timed and well disguised blitzes. You just described Orlando's standard defense. Like, every play. We're one DL and an assortment of guys ranging from fast and strong to faster and stronger. A strength of the spread offense is counting the defenders and attacking where they lack numbers. The Texas defense doesn't stand still to be counted. It's just impossible to tell who's covering or who's rushing until the ball is snapped. "Getting the ball out quickly" is all fine and good, but if you miscounted, then we'll see if Joe Burrow is faster than Joe Ossai.

I'm not gutsy enough to predict an easy Texas win. The Tigers are a for-real opponent, and winning will be earned.

I do not think it will be easy either way, my somewhat sarcastic posts to the contrary.  However, if LSU is dialed in as they appeared to be against GASO, I am confident that they will win.  It is a big game for both programs and coaches who are relatively new to their programs.  I am looking forward to it.  I do not see UT as a Miami in any respect.

[Tex Long 4392]

3 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

Well, it could also in theory mean 4 digits, but the alternative was to say more than single digits so I went with double digit win as I assumed, perhaps in error, that because since Georgia Tech's victory over Cumberland by 222-0 many, many years ago (1916) was the only time that a triple digit victory occurred, that the likelihood of something like that happening again, even against UT, was remote and understood by all.  But thanks for pointing that out.

No, the alternative was to say 10+. 

And GTech's win was not the only > double digits win, but it was the largest margin. And it was because they were still using a lot of Rugby rules, including the one where the team that gets scored on has to kick off.

It's okay to say stupid shit, but defending it isn't.

[gmr548 16576]

1 hour ago, White Tiger said:

 

Prediction:

LSU wins by at least double digits.

NM - beaten to the punch.

Edited September 4, 2019 by gmr548

[Machinator 32099]

Maybe we'll beat them by triple digits.

[BigBenBamboozle 1952]

It’s absolutely astounding how much SEC team rhetoric revolves around if their team is “dialed in” or “motivated enough”. It’s fucking football, you douche canoes. If you’re not motivated, you’re going pay physically for it. 

[hookwhat 106]

The creepy lil inbred from deliverance is all grown up now.....

 

[Walden Ponderer 12639]

1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Do you understand that what you wrote implies a triple digit victory is a possibility? I'm genuinely curious as I'm not familiar with the Louisiana education system. 

It's a lot like counting to potato, except it's base nutria, carried by crawdads.

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

8 minutes ago, Walden Ponderer said:

It's a lot like counting to potato, except it's base nutria, carried by crawdads.

what the fuck is a crawdad?

[TB1153 16]

29 minutes ago, White Tiger said:

I do not think it will be easy either way, my somewhat sarcastic posts to the contrary.  However, if LSU is dialed in as they appeared to be against GASO, I am confident that they will win.  It is a big game for both programs and coaches who are relatively new to their programs.  I am looking forward to it.  I do not see UT as a Miami in any respect.

Neither of the games at the beginning of this season have really proved much. We both beat Georgia by similar numbers last season so that tells me this game will be close regardless of how much each team has improved in the offseason. Two great teams claiming "theyre back" so we'll see. Not 100% confident we're "back enough" to win a game on the road against a solid team like Texas.

[Fozzz 152]

2 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

what the fuck is a crawdad?

Cockroaches of the sea.

[6th Street 6392]

Secondary needs to significantly improve coverage and tackling against those big LSU WRs. Kobe Boyce is a shitshow, and even Sterns and B Jones have had issues making open field tackles. 

[Kyrie Eleison 9312]

1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

Cockroaches of the sea.

one doesn't have to be from Acadiana to know when a certain someone just outed themselves as a heathen dumbass...

[Fozzz 152]

Enjoy your roaches, Kyrie.