2019 Texas Longhorns fall practice thread

[Burt Macklin 19038]

Here’s what Gabe from TFB has to say about Duvernay’s move to slot.

 

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FB Short | The Dude Inside

– Gabriel

 

How are y’all doing!? Isn’t it a great feeling, Texas Football is in Fall Camp! With that comes interesting news about position changes. None other should interest you more than Devin Duvernay inside. I’ll give you time to cool off. If you follow me on Twitter you know that this is a prayer of mine and it being answered is Tom-sent, or whoever’s easy decision it is. Losing Humphrey leaves a huge hole in the offense. Instead of inserting an inexperienced player, why not one of the most physical, sure-handed, and fastest players on the roster, no-brainer. A couple questions you may have are, how this move effects scheme and who replaces Duvernay outside? That’s what we’re here to discuss.

 

First off, as mentioned above, Devin punches above his weight, he’s very fast, and last season, doesn’t drop passes. What he brings is effective blocking coming from the inside up to linebackers or safeties, that’s very important because Herman & Hand want to run the rock, good blocking in the alley will lead to bigger plays. Now, his speed, perhaps the most interesting aspect of moving The Dude inside. To scorch these quarters-heavy defenses, there’s no better route than the Seam-Read. Now, whether they run that particular ‘Choice Route’ or not is secondary. Defenses have to line up a Nickel and or safety over one of the fastest receivers in the league, creating issues for coverage because you can’t always bracket him with two. Why? I’m glad you asked! It’s because Collin freakin’ Johnson is on the other side of the field, sometimes the same side, yikes! Bracketing both means you have seven vs nine underneath, good luck with that. As you know, since you read here, Herman’s baby, 3-Level passing is also a big deal because the inside man either runs a Post, Corner, or a Switch Vertical (Wheel), that’s enough to set your hair on fire, and here’s the kicker. Outside of Devin you could see John Burt again. Stop imagining DB’s shaking in their boots for minute. This is just ridiculous wouldn’t you say? Add in 3 or 4-Verticals to the mix with a QB Draw option, just stupid. If this offense doesn’t explode, fire them all (LOL)! Now, are you excited about this switch?

 

[texifornia 57031]

#9 in CBS's poll: https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-rankings-sec-big-ten-dominate-top-of-2019-preseason-cbs-sports-130/

 

[BurdineBandit 815]

58 minutes ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

Trying to keep this in mind when I read reports of Denzel Okafor at RT. 

This one annoys me for sure. I feel like if he hasn't learned to move his damn feet in pass pro by now he sure ain't gonna learn it, but I'll trust some Herb Hand instruction. Same as the rest though, we'll know pretty soon whether he blew his last offseason to become a tackle or not.

[sith_horn 2407]

5 hours ago, Casual Encounter said:

It bothers me to hear Duvernay is the primary slot at the moment. I know he’s fast but unless he’s miraculously found some shiftiness, I feel like he’s been beat out of his position and being allowed to play slot because he’s a senior. Hopefully, he’ll be used situationally and the younger guys will get plenty of playing time.

It is early in fall camp to be concerned about such things. It's not uncommon for the coaches to tinker with positions like Duvernay at slot, or as others are mentioning Jamison starting vs Cook. I could also see Duvernay rotating in at slot along with Joshua Moore and to a lesser extent Jake Smith during the season. Or by the same token, Herman may well decide Duvernay at slot was an idea that didn't pan out.

[Machinator 32099]

I went back and read old practice reports from 2018 and Okafor was playing tackle then, too. They for sure see him as one of the options at the position but it's hardly a guarantee that he'll be starting there if everyone is healthy.

[nunna yo bizness 1687]

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

I'm feeling things

It moved?

[CastHorn 815]

Any word on Overshown? He referred to the injury as a “minor setback”. 

[sith_horn 2407]

1 hour ago, Zavala said:

I'm more confident than ever in the O line. Year two with this dude, we gonna regularly push mother fuckers around like Auburn did when he was there.

When Hand left Auburn, many of their fans were glad to see him go. Not saying he's bad, but that his success, or lack thereof, at Auburn was not a unanimous sentiment.

Herb Hand Leaving for Texas

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - SECRANT.com

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - 247sports

Lots of different takes in the comments for those links. Time will tell. Also, success or failure at any given stop for a coach can be different for whatever reasons. Manny Diaz seems to have been OK everywhere except Texas. One gripe some Auburn fans made were his recruiting abilities. Seems to be doing fine at Texas so far in that regard.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

14 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

When Hand left Auburn, many of their fans were glad to see him go. Not saying he's bad, but that his success, or lack thereof, at Auburn was not a unanimous sentiment.

Herb Hand Leaving for Texas

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - SECRANT.com

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - 247sports

Lots of different takes in the comments for those links. Time will tell. Also, success or failure at any given stop for a coach can be different for whatever reasons. Manny Diaz seems to have been OK everywhere except Texas. One gripe some Auburn fans made were his recruiting abilities. Seems to be doing fine at Texas so far in that regard.

Ywah, it’s definitely an interesting point to consider. Even though, everything’s coming up sunshine with Hand so far, I think we need one more full year to have a better idea of exactly what we have with him. 

In response to the links you posted though,

1. Auburn fans are dumbasses. Their OL was not their biggest issue by any stretch, and if anything it got worse after he left.

2. Most casual fans don’t know enough to really evaluate the performance of an OL coach. 

3. He’s had quite a bit of success at a lot of his stops throughout his career, so Auburn is just one data point. And I consider his coaching at Auburn to be pretty good. If he has an issue, it’s probably that he tends to struggle with pass protection to a degree, in part because he had too many tweeners at OT at Auburn and also because he seems to prioritize his run block schemes with his limited practice time. However, Stidham is not a smart QB and he was very slow to make reads and get the ball out. He tends to hold the ball way too long, so at least some of the sack numbers at Auburn can be attributed to QB play.

4. so far, he’s certainly been recruiting well. It will take 2-3 more years to determine the strength of his evals on he OL since we’re finally at a healthy point where most OL won’t play for their first two years. 

I’m not saying Hand is flawless, but his resume indicates he’s extremely good at coaching the run game and he’s a plus coach overall. His recruiting has been great so far at UT and hopefully his evals will match. 

Edited August 6, 2019 by Burt Macklin

[Rickylovesweed 14521]

11 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

When Hand left Auburn, many of their fans were glad to see him go. Not saying he's bad, but that his success, or lack thereof, at Auburn was not a unanimous sentiment.

Herb Hand Leaving for Texas

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - SECRANT.com

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - 247sports

Lots of different takes in the comments for those links. Time will tell. Also, success or failure at any given stop for a coach can be different for whatever reasons. Manny Diaz seems to have been OK everywhere except Texas. One gripe some Auburn fans made were his recruiting abilities. Seems to be doing fine at Texas so far in that regard.

This is the narrative with 95% of coaches that bail to another team. Getting an unbiased opinion from a fanbase that just lost a coach never happens. 

[Zavala 1384]

8 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

When Hand left Auburn, many of their fans were glad to see him go. Not saying he's bad, but that his success, or lack thereof, at Auburn was not a unanimous sentiment.

Herb Hand Leaving for Texas

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - SECRANT.com

Herb Hand leaving Auburn for Texas - 247sports

Lots of different takes in the comments for those links. Time will tell. Also, success or failure at any given stop for a coach can be different for whatever reasons. Manny Diaz seems to have been OK everywhere except Texas. One gripe some Auburn fans made were his recruiting abilities. Seems to be doing fine at Texas so far in that regard.

lulz they were "glad to see him go" once he decided to leave huh? 

2016 (8-5)

173/game

5.5/attempt

2017 (10-4)

161/game

4.8/attempt

_____________HAND LEAVES_____________

2018 (8-5)

128/game

4.3/attempt

 

 

[Rickylovesweed 14521]

Just now, Zavala said:

lulz they were "glad to see him go" once he decided to leave huh? 

 

 

 

Every fanbase does this. It's a coping mechanism. 

[gmr548 16588]

In general, if someone says a take goes against what any mouthbreathing SEC fanbase - in this case, Auburn fans - thinks then that's a sign it's correct.

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[Steamboat1874 4072]

8 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

This is the narrative with 95% of coaches that bail to another team. Getting an unbiased opinion from a fanbase that just lost a coach never happens. 

Pretty sure Manny Diaz was in that 5%.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

2 hours ago, Zavala said:

He's plenty electric for me. Dude was one of the only bright spots in that Maryland debacle. 

 

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Every single highlight is straight line speed produced. That’s not the electricity I’m referring to.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Casual Encounter
Never seen lightning move in a straight line.

[ztejas 43517]

4 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

All reports are that he's a little raw in routes

Roots are a tougher vegetable. Sometimes they take a little longer to cook all the way through. 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9119]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

Roots are a tougher vegetable. Sometimes they take a little longer to cook all the way through. 

I'm a fruit man myself

[sith_horn 2407]

23 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

1. Auburn fans are dumbasses. Their OL was not their biggest issue by any stretch, and if anything it got worse after he left.

2. Most casual fans don’t know enough to really evaluate the performance of an OL coach. 

3. He’s had quite a bit of success at a lot of his stops throughout his career, so Auburn is just one data point. And I consider his coaching at Auburn to be pretty good. If he has an issue, it’s probably that he tends to struggle with pass protection to a degree, in part because he had too many tweeners at OT at Auburn and also because he seems to prioritize his run block schemes with his limited practice time. However, Stidham is not a smart QB and he was very slow to make reads and get the ball out. He tends to hold the ball way too long, so at least some of the sack numbers at Auburn can be attributed to QB play.

4. so far, he’s certainly been recruiting well. It will take 2-3 more years to determine the strength of his evals on he OL since we’re finally at a healthy point where most OL won’t play for their first two years. 

I’m not saying Hand is flawless, but his resume indicates he’s extremely good at coaching the run game and he’s a plus coach overall. His recruiting has been great so far at UT and hopefully his evals will match. 

I don't disagree with your points, and in particular, your closing point is salient. I come from the camp of "trust but verify". Reading fan comments requires copious doses of salt and simplistic knee-jerk reactions abound. But as you say, there could be some flaws that need ironing out. This is Hand's second season. I'm simply cautious in my estimation until time and performance proves Hand's true worth at Texas. And Herman as the HC may well temper and guide him to better performance at Texas as well. A good executive knows how to get the best from his charges.

[SA-KC_Horn 1295]

So the cake can't be baked with vegetables?

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

1 minute ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

So the cake can't be baked with vegetables?

Charlie cooked potato cakes.

[ztejas 43517]

9 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

So the cake can't be baked with vegetables?

 

[Daichee Bell 2925]

This.  And S. Austin's mom is still a sloot.  So basically, same ol shit.  

You have apparently never met his sister, East Hutto.

[sith_horn 2407]

16 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

So the cake can't be baked with vegetables?

[SHOOTER12 8811]

2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Allsome...have some reputitous 

[BabaYaga 15302]

45 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

I don't disagree with your points, and in particular, your closing point is salient. I come from the camp of "trust but verify". Reading fan comments requires copious doses of salt and simplistic knee-jerk reactions abound. But as you say, there could be some flaws that need ironing out. This is Hand's second season. I'm simply cautious in my estimation until time and performance proves Hand's true worth at Texas. And Herman as the HC may well temper and guide him to better performance at Texas as well. A good executive knows how to get the best from his charges.

We didn't exactly have a tall bar when he got here.  Perspective people.  Our OL was warmed over cat shit for far too long.  Anyone not seeing the significant improvement isn't paying attention.  It's a huge step in the direction we need to be headed towards and we're up out of the ditch and back on the road.  We can thank Hand for this.  

[SHOOTER12 8811]

59 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Roots are a tougher vegetable. Sometimes they take a little longer to cook all the way through. 

So he's a tuber?  

[BabaYaga 15302]

26 minutes ago, Daichee Bell said:

You have apparently never met his sister, East Hutto.

You mean East.......SLUTTO!

HA!

Guys...

Hey, where are you going....

[SHOOTER12 8811]

4 hours ago, South Austin said:

Like any of us know shit at this point.

True, all I know at this point is the all the optimistic reads have me harder than a railroad spike.

[South Austin 52523]

Just now, SHOOTER12 said:

True, all I know at this point is the all the optimistic reads have me harder than a railroad spike.

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[SHOOTER12 8811]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

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So hard in fact, your mom took one look last night and ran away in terror. (Sorry bro, couldn't pass it up)

[sith_horn 2407]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

We didn't exactly have a tall bar when he got here.  Perspective people.  Our OL was warmed over cat shit for far too long.  Anyone not seeing the significant improvement isn't paying attention.  It's a huge step in the direction we need to be headed towards and we're up out of the ditch and back on the road.  We can thank Hand for this.  

The OL was almost certainly going to be better in year 2 of Herman than 1 with or without Hand. The line was riddled with injuries in year 1 and no good option for LT once Connor Williams went down. Kerstetter came in undersized and did the best he could. Cosmi redshirted. Year 2 Cosmi comes in at RT with a year of Yancy enhancement, and yes Hand coaching in fall camp. Kertstetter battle tested if not great and also physically more capable. Elijah Rodriguez a senior and finally healthy, Vahe and GT Calvin Anderson. Just by virtue of personnel alone the OL was likely going to be better. That's not to say Hand's coaching wasn't a factor, but to put it another way, how much better would 2017 have been with Hand as the coach instead of Warehime? One can only speculate but I'm having a hard time seeing any OL coach being able to brag about results in that scenario. Added to all that it was the first season of Herman's offense being installed. Perspective indeed.

[Herpa Derpa 6126]

1 hour ago, Ricky's one-hitter said:

I'm a fruit man myself

Avatar checks out.

[BabaYaga 15302]

5 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

The OL was almost certainly going to be better in year 2 of Herman than 1 with or without Hand. The line was riddled with injuries in year 1 and no good option for LT once Connor Williams went down. Kerstetter came in undersized and did the best he could. Cosmi redshirted. Year 2 Cosmi comes in at RT with a year of Yancy enhancement, and yes Hand coaching in fall camp. Kertstetter battle tested if not great and also physically more capable. Elijah Rodriguez a senior and finally healthy, Vahe and GT Calvin Anderson. Just by virtue of personnel alone the OL was likely going to be better. That's not to say Hand's coaching wasn't a factor, but to put it another way, how much better would 2017 have been with Hand as the coach instead of Warehime? One can only speculate but I'm having a hard time seeing any OL coach being able to brag about results in that scenario. Added to all that it was the first season of Herman's offense being installed. Perspective indeed.

Most certainly.  I would bet it was going to improve for the given reasons.  I still credit Hand for his part he played as well as the direction he seems to be trending toward.  He's not "the answer", but he has played a strong role to date in getting us back on track, and for that I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  

[Reynolds Woodcock 4785]

Y'all got any more of them practice reports [insertchappellememe]

[conVINCEd 21469]

Hand also recognized a problem area and fixed it by recruiting Anderson and Braun to give the young pups time to grow up.  He gets credit for that.

[Machinator 32099]

Just now, Reynolds Woodcock said:

Y'all got any more of them practice reports [insertchappellememe]

No practice today, players have off. Full pads practice starts tomorrow.

[Machinator 32099]

1 minute ago, conVINCEd said:

Hand also recognized a problem area and fixed it by recruiting Anderson and Braun to give the young pups time to grow up.  He gets credit for that.

They were on Anderson before Hand was hired but obviously he gets credit for closing the deal.

Braun was a masterclass in grad transfer identification and recruiting.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Machinator

[sith_horn 2407]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Most certainly.  I would bet it was going to improve for the given reasons.  I still credit Hand for his part he played as well as the direction he seems to be trending toward.  He's not "the answer", but he has played a strong role to date in getting us back on track, and for that I will give him the benefit of the doubt.  

Herman felt the need to upgrade and I'm glad he did. A seasoned veteran with P5 experience should be the OL coach at Texas. But I think Warehime's contributions merit consideration given the circumstances. I for one, am glad we have Cosmi, Kerstetter and Angilau. We were really fortunate with few injuries last season, knock on wood. And maybe Hand's techniques factor in on that, who knows? If Cosmi goes down, it begs the question who steps in and is there some shuffling? I've seen Reese Moore listed as 2nd LT on one depth chart floating around, but since he hasn't been listed as one of the primary "guys", could just as easily see Kerstetter taking it, Okafor at RT and Maybe Angilau at RG? Too early to speculate I suppose. Maybe clearer by the end of August. Best case scenario is, we never find out, ha.

[Deej 76855]

1 hour ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

So the cake can't be baked with vegetables?

 

[TreatyOak 16369]

34 minutes ago, SHOOTER12 said:

So hard in fact, your mom took one look last night and ran away in terror. (Sorry bro, couldn't pass it up)

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

I know a guy that is close friends with freshman CB Marques Caldwell’s dad. He just shared with me a video from practice (looks like someone’s Snapchat) of Marques getting a very athletic pick. I am not sure who the receiver was though. I am guessing it’s best not to post such type videos...

[Machinator 32099]

Just now, Patricio Swayze said:

I know a guy that is close friends with freshman CB Marques Caldwell’s dad. He just shared with me a video from practice (looks like someone’s Snapchat) of Marques getting a very athletic pick. I am not sure who the receiver was though. I am guessing it’s best not to post such type videos...

If it's on social media, it's public. Post it!

[ClubWhatever 12153]

1 minute ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I know a guy that is close friends with freshman CB Marques Caldwell’s dad. He just shared with me a video from practice (looks like someone’s Snapchat) of Marques getting a very athletic pick. I am not sure who the receiver was though. I am guessing it’s best not to post such type videos...

Does your friend's name rhyme with Mevin Macon?

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

If it's on social media, it's public. Post it!

Not trying to get anyone in trouble. I need to find a host for it.

[Foosters 17858]

5 minutes ago, Patricio Swayze said:

I know a guy that is close friends with freshman CB Marques Caldwell’s dad. He just shared with me a video from practice (looks like someone’s Snapchat) of Marques getting a very athletic pick. I am not sure who the receiver was though. I am guessing it’s best not to post such type videos...

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Yay or nay? I mean it’s just one short clip. I figured Bellmont has a room full of exchange students data farming the interwebs.

[nycHorn 3038]

Do it.gif

[Patricio Swayze 17058]

Cant embed, but here is the link:

 

http:// http://sendvid.com/9m9gbb95

 

Edit: what the fuck? It says format not supported but works for me. Let me see what I can do.

[lazygringo 369]

Yea! Though I suspect it's the same pick as this one (near the end, #24):

 

[Machinator 32099]

Is that #86? If so, that's Jordan Pouncey.