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Eggo
Eggo

Nice of Herman to invite Kyler Murray to come to practice. 

Tex Pete
Tex Pete

Deez nuts!

Huckleberry
Huckleberry

Holy fucking shit after this weekend we have Longhorn football games on 12 of the next 14 weekends.

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8 hours ago, Johnny Sack said:

I don’t care what position you call Foster.  I call him a football player who can run and knock the fuck out of you.  

We live in a society

 

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Where it's somehow 'targeting' to hit a guy running high with the ball. 

Defensive lineman do it to offensive linemen every play. Knock one mouthpiece out of a pussy "star" reciever and everyone loses their minds!

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7 minutes ago, pyrohornIII said:

Still didn't answer the guy's question.

 

Challenge for students this year is the South EZ construction. They did a survey with students and rather than be in one strip running from upper to lower deck the students opted to keep where they were on the East side currently and then move to the wedge on the NE side, lower level.

There weren't many season ticket holders there and the ones that were were relocated.

End of the day though there are fewer seats for students overall this year.

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8 minutes ago, Hard Times said:

Targeting smargeting, whatever. The NCAA has pussfied football. If it even looks like targeting it's going to be called. If the helmet in any way makes 1st contact it's gonna get called, like it or not.

We're going to have to acknowledge that hits to the head will end football.

Right now, the sport of American football is under the microscope as causing severe brain injuries that can cripple a person for life. Insurers are terrified that this is the next asbestos or similar payout. They don't want to underwrite football and its risks. Football is responding by eliminating, to every degree possible, hits to the head and head area. If the sport did nothing, it would be trivial for a plaintiff to say, "They knew it caused problems, yet they allowed it to continue!".

Intent of the player doesn't matter. Football at all levels has to show focus on removing head contact from the game, or else the game will evaporate overnight. Foster did not "target" the head, but he hit it pretty good. It was a football play, and he'd do it 10 out of 10 times again.

It's an unfair punishment to the player, but we're going to have to simply accept that players unlucky enough to be placed in that position will be ejected. Otherwise, our saturdays will be spent watching "Fortnight".

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There's no question that Foster hit him above the shoulders / in the head / helmet to helmet, but the question is whether the player was defenseless. I don't see how, by definition, he was defenseless:

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 Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14):

  • A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass.
  • A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
  • A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return.
  • A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.
  • A player on the ground.
  • A player obviously out of the play.
  • A player who receives a blind-side block.
  • A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped.
  • A quarterback any time after a change of possession.
  • A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feet-first

None of those apply. No defenseless player = no targeting. Bad call.

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1 hour ago, Mitch Cumsteen said:

There's no question that Foster hit him above the shoulders / in the head / helmet to helmet, but the question is whether the player was defenseless. I don't see how, by definition, he was defenseless:

None of those apply. No defenseless player = no targeting. Bad call.

There are two rules related to targeting that result in ejection. Only one of them is about a defenseless player. The other is rule 9-1-3 targeting and making forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

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20 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

Keondre Coburn may be my favorite 2018 guy.  No bullshit kid who works his ass off and wants to help the team.

 

That's the first time I've heard an extended interview with the young man and I'm very impressed.  

Huge things in his future if he continues to work hard and stays humble. 

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Here's the actual targeting rule. Like @GW Hayduke said, it doesn't require a defenseless receiver. I've bolded the parts that show why BJ's hit was targeting. It's textbook targeting in literally three different ways. 

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Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)

 

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to: • Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground • Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to: • A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass. • A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier. • A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return. • A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.. • A player on the ground. • A player obviously out of the play. • A player who receives a blind-side block. • A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped. • A quarterback any time after a change of possession FR-88 RULE 9 / CONDUCT OF PLAYERSAND OTHERS SUBJECT TO RULES • A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feetfirst.

 

PENALTY—[ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second half of the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension during the postseason or the first game of the following season. The disqualification must be reviewed by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5). [S38, S24 and S47] When the Instant Replay Official reverses the disqualification: If the targeting foul is not in conjunction with another personal foul by the same player, the 15-yard penalty for targeting is not enforced. If the player commits another personal foul in conjunction with the targeting foul, the 15-yard penalty for that personal foul is enforced according to rule. (A. R. 9-1-4-VII-VIII) For games in which Instant Replay is not used: If a player is disqualified in the first half, at the option of the conference or by pre-game mutual agreement of the teams in inter-conference games, during the intermission between halves the Referee will be provided a video of the play in question for his review in the officials’ private secure location. The Referee will review the video to determine whether the disqualification is reversed. The decision of the Referee is final. (A. R. 9-1-4-IX) Note: The video source and the location of the review will be determined prior to the game through mutual agreement of the teams and the Referee. If a player is disqualified in the second half, the conference has the option to consult the national coordinator of football officials who would then facilitate a video review. Based on the review, if and only if the national coordinator concludes that the player should not have been disqualified, the conference may vacate the suspension. If the national coordinator supports the disqualification, the suspension for the next game will remain.

 

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16 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

Here's the actual targeting rule. Like @GW Hayduke said, it doesn't require a defenseless receiver. I've bolded the parts that show why BJ's hit was targeting. It's textbook targeting in literally three different ways. 

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)

He did not target with the crown of his helmet. He went in with his left shoulder into the guy's right arm.

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16 minutes ago, Bodacious Bevo said:

Here's the actual targeting rule. Like @GW Hayduke said, it doesn't require a defenseless receiver. I've bolded the parts that show why BJ's hit was targeting. It's textbook targeting in literally three different ways. 

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Targeting and Making Forcible Contact With the Crown of the Helmet

ARTICLE 3. No player shall target and make forcible contact against an opponent with the crown of his helmet. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 9-6) (A.R. 9-1-3-I)

 

Targeting and Making Forcible Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player

ARTICLE 4. No player shall target and make forcible contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent (See Note 2 below) with the helmet, forearm, hand, fist, elbow or shoulder. This foul requires that there be at least one indicator of targeting (See Note 1 below). When in question, it is a foul (Rules 2-27-14 and 9-6). (A.R. 9-1-4-I-VI)

Note 1: “Targeting” means that a player takes aim at an opponent for purposes of attacking with forcible contact that goes beyond making a legal tackle or a legal block or playing the ball. Some indicators of targeting include but are not limited to: • Launch—a player leaving his feet to attack an opponent by an upward and forward thrust of the body to make forcible contact in the head or neck area • A crouch followed by an upward and forward thrust to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area, even though one or both feet are still on the ground • Leading with helmet, shoulder, forearm, fist, hand or elbow to attack with forcible contact at the head or neck area • Lowering the head before attacking by initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet

Note 2: Defenseless player (Rule 2-27-14). Examples of defenseless players include but are not limited to: • A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass. • A receiver attempting to catch a forward pass or in position to receive a backward pass, or one who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier. • A kicker in the act of or just after kicking a ball, or during the kick or the return. • A kick returner attempting to catch or recover a kick, or one who has completed a catch or recovery and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a ball carrier.. • A player on the ground. • A player obviously out of the play. • A player who receives a blind-side block. • A ball carrier already in the grasp of an opponent and whose forward progress has been stopped. • A quarterback any time after a change of possession FR-88 RULE 9 / CONDUCT OF PLAYERSAND OTHERS SUBJECT TO RULES • A ball carrier who has obviously given himself up and is sliding feetfirst.

 

PENALTY—[ARTICLE 3 and ARTICLE 4]—15 yards. For dead-ball fouls, 15 yards from the succeeding spot. Automatic first down for fouls by Team B if not in conflict with other rules. For fouls in the first half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game. (Rule 2-27-12) For fouls in the second half: Disqualification for the remainder of the game and the first half of the next game. If the foul occurs in the second half of the last game of the season, players with remaining eligibility shall serve the suspension during the postseason or the first game of the following season. The disqualification must be reviewed by Instant Replay (Rule 12-3-5). [S38, S24 and S47] When the Instant Replay Official reverses the disqualification: If the targeting foul is not in conjunction with another personal foul by the same player, the 15-yard penalty for targeting is not enforced. If the player commits another personal foul in conjunction with the targeting foul, the 15-yard penalty for that personal foul is enforced according to rule. (A. R. 9-1-4-VII-VIII) For games in which Instant Replay is not used: If a player is disqualified in the first half, at the option of the conference or by pre-game mutual agreement of the teams in inter-conference games, during the intermission between halves the Referee will be provided a video of the play in question for his review in the officials’ private secure location. The Referee will review the video to determine whether the disqualification is reversed. The decision of the Referee is final. (A. R. 9-1-4-IX) Note: The video source and the location of the review will be determined prior to the game through mutual agreement of the teams and the Referee. If a player is disqualified in the second half, the conference has the option to consult the national coordinator of football officials who would then facilitate a video review. Based on the review, if and only if the national coordinator concludes that the player should not have been disqualified, the conference may vacate the suspension. If the national coordinator supports the disqualification, the suspension for the next game will remain.

 

 

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