Active Shooter - El Paso

[GabrielsHorn 2183]

16 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Was the shooting entirely at the Wal-Mart? There looks like a pretty large parking lot between the Wal-Mart and Dillard’s/The Mall.

I’ve walked it many times. It’s not as far as it would seem from the map. 

[Bruh Man 3160]

2017 Plano HS grad.

[jimmyjazz 45957]

14 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

What should happen?  What do you do?

I ask this in all seriousness.

I want to dig deeper into your question, because I like & respect you, although we're on opposite sides of the debate to some degree here.  I want to keep this out of CR territory, so my only question is:

How on earth do you not know what people who are concerned about the status quo would suggest we do?  It's not like you haven't had this debate 100 times.  If you have to ask, you weren't paying attention.  Is there one popular "solution"?  No, it varies by degree.  That said, it's pretty fucking clear what direction the people you're asking this of would head.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

We should probably make semiautomatic rifles (over .22lr) as hard to get as fully automatic rifles. Also limit civilian magazine capacity to 15.  

This would likely reduce the body count in mass shootings and is my compromise approach that wouldn’t ban anything. 

The problem is more complex than the guns tho...

Edited August 3, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[C-Man 27228]

I’ve walked it many times. It’s not as far as it would seem from the map. 

An area Congresswoman made the comment that the shooting was contained to the Wal-Mart, not the mall at all.

[Rip76 4928]

5 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I want to dig deeper into your question, because I like & respect you, although we're on opposite sides of the debate to some degree here.  I want to keep this out of CR territory, so my only question is:

How on earth do you not know what people who are concerned about the status quo would suggest we do?  It's not like you haven't had this debate 100 times.  If you have to ask, you weren't paying attention.  Is there one popular "solution"?  No, it varies by degree.  That said, it's pretty fucking clear what direction the people you're asking this of would head.

Nope, just torn between a couple of different issues.

Do I have the right to protect myself at home or when I travel?  I believe that I do.

Do I think I need an assault rifle to do that?  I don’t believe that I do.

🤷🏽‍♂️

[C-Man 27228]

NBCnews reporting its that fuck head from the Dallas area.

Yeah, there’s a post further up saying Plano. Just turned 21 recently.

[retread 2951]

Level 1 Trauma hospital in area received 13 patients. 1 has died. Ranging from 2 years old to senior citizen. 9 in critical but stable. (CNN)

Edited August 3, 2019 by retread

[C-Man 27228]

We should probably make semiautomatic rifles (over .22lr) as hard to get as fully automatic rifles. Also limit civilian magazine capacity to 15.

Agree with both of those.

[Gil Bang 25959]

Nobody gives a fuck.  Nobody gave a fuck when kids were mass murdered at Sandy Hook. 

Nobody will do shit. 

[Gil Bang 25959]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

 

Agree with both of those.

 

we tried the mag ban in CA.  Seemed to make perfect sense to me.  Keep you guns, but you need to swap mags after 10 rounds.  Courts said "nah".

[XYZ 2154]

4 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Nobody gives a fuck.  Nobody gave a fuck when kids were mass murdered at Sandy Hook. 

Nobody will do shit. 

Sadly, you’re probably right.

[jimmyjazz 45957]

7 minutes ago, Rip76 said:

Nope, just torn between a couple of different issues.

Do I have the right to protect myself at home or when I travel?  I believe that I do.

Do I think I need an assault rifle to do that?  I don’t believe that I do.

🤷🏽‍♂️

Fine.  Despite the fact that, had it been me who used that phrase, I'd be excoriated for not knowing what an "assault rifle" is, I would suggest that there is a massive amount of information out there, and on surly itself, as to how a compromise might be struck that balances those competing influences.

[Errestaurants 2570]

Terrible and the morherfucker was of course to much of a pussy to off himself. 

[Rip76 4928]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Fine.  Despite the fact that, had it been me who used that phrase, I'd be excoriated for not knowing what an "assault rifle" is, I would suggest that there is a massive amount of information out there, and on surly itself, as to how a compromise might be struck that balances those competing influences.

You would have?

Certainly not here.  

[SimonBolivar 10958]

EPPD confirmed it was a white male in his 20's.

[GabrielsHorn 2183]

14 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

An area Congresswoman made the comment that the shooting was contained to the Wal-Mart, not the mall at all.

 

Yeah, I heard the same from Veronica Escobar. However, the WalMart is really close which is why they locked down Cielo Vista.

[jimmyjazz 45957]

1 minute ago, Rip76 said:

You would have?

Certainly not here.  

Are you kidding?  If you mean this particular forum, maybe.  If you mean surly in general, no way.  The word parsing and gaslighting about auto, semi-auto, "painted black", magazine VS clip is tedious and it happens all the fucking time.  

[Rip76 4928]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Are you kidding?  If you mean this particular forum, maybe.  If you mean surly in general, no way.  The word parsing and gaslighting about auto, semi-auto, "painted black", magazine VS clip is tedious and it happens all the fucking time.  

Just here, not in general, in Texas.

[XYZ 2154]

What are semi-auto rifles even needed for? Wouldn’t it suffice to have bolt-action rifles, shotguns and pistols/revolvers?

Edited August 3, 2019 by XYZ

[Blotto 23512]

11 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Nobody gives a fuck.  Nobody gave a fuck when kids were mass murdered at Sandy Hook. 

Nobody will do shit. 

Oh, plenty of people will pretend to give a fuck....for a few days. But then a Kardashian will fuck an Al Qaeda fighter, or Trump will call someone an Oriental, or Hillary will say something stupid, and the country moves right along. Mass shootings are now part of the American landscape, as American as a beautifully pitched no-hitter on a Saturday afternoon, only more common.  If something was gonna "get done" it would have happened after the first couple. 

[Fozzz 152]

Gonna be tricky for Texas politicians for a few days regarding the need to toughen the border. Maybe they’ll lean into it and say this is what happens when you don’t build the wall. 

[Gil Bang 25959]

1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

Gonna be tricky for Texas politicians for a few days regarding the need to toughen the border. Maybe they’ll lean into it and say this is what happens when you don’t build the wall. 

I'm not attacking you, as I assume you're trying to make a point, but I have no fucking idea what you are saying.  Please clarify.

[Native Horn 3504]

2 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

Gonna be tricky for Texas politicians for a few days regarding the need to toughen the border. Maybe they’ll lean into it and say this is what happens when you don’t build the wall. 

The wall between the Metroplex and El Paso?

[Fozzz 152]

2 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

I'm not attacking you, as I assume you're trying to make a point, but I have no fucking idea what you are saying.  Please clarify.

That if you don’t want white supremacist psychopaths to blow away scores of people then you need to give them what they want. 

[Gil Bang 25959]

Just now, Fozzz said:

That if you don’t want white supremacist psychopaths to blow away scores of people then you need to give them what they want. 

So you're saying if we were building a wall, this guy would have been home pulling his pud?

[Fozzz 152]

Just now, Gil Bang said:

So you're saying if we were building a wall, this guy would have been home pulling his pud?

No, I don’t think so. I do wonder though how people like Cruz and our esteemed governor, who share 80% of the politics of the shooter, can keep pulling from that well when the costs of doing so have been made so manifest. 

[Gil Bang 25959]

because their voters are the "thoughts and prayers" assholes, that really, REALLY don't give a fuck about little kids in elementary school, gays in a dance club, jews in a temple, etc. 

[Fozzz 152]

I know, but it must be at least a little uncomfortable for them. They are human, after all  

[Hawndoh 2386]

their voters are all convinced if they were in that parking lot with their guns they would have stopped the shooter. Their answer to everything is more guns, not less.

[Jive Turkey 12598]

1 hour ago, Rip76 said:

What should happen?  What do you do?

I ask this in all seriousness.

We don't need gun control.  We need bullet control.  Second Amendment doesn't say a damn thing about bullets.

 

Edited August 3, 2019 by Jive Turkey

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Nobody gives a fuck.  Nobody gave a fuck when kids were mass murdered at Sandy Hook. 
Nobody will do shit. 

Just wait until the next one

[TxEx99 31]

8 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

No, I don’t think so. I do wonder though how people like Cruz and our esteemed governor, who share 80% of the politics of the shooter, can keep pulling from that well when the costs of doing so have been made so manifest. 

How bout because a gun isn't the root cause of the mental illness that leads someone to actually shoot as many random people in a random place as possible.  

[C-Man 27228]

CNN has just aired the name we've been seeing in this thread. Said he was 21-year-old from Allen.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

2 minutes ago, TxEx99 said:

How bout because a gun isn't the root cause of the mental illness that leads someone to actually shoot as many random people in a random place as possible.  

Odd that mental illness sufferers are shooting way more people here than other 1st world countries.

[Gil Bang 25959]

4 minutes ago, TxEx99 said:

How bout because a gun isn't the root cause of the mental illness that leads someone to actually shoot as many random people in a random place as possible.  

and the socket set isn't the root cause of the guy wanting to dismantle an automotive engine make it run better, but he SURE AS FUCK CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT THE TOOL YOU DUMB CUNT.

[Schulz2.0 28951]

Two pages to go full cloak room.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

fuck off Icono

Edited August 3, 2019 by Iconoclast Texan

[SimonBolivar 10958]

1 minute ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Two pages to go full cloak room.

We are there man.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

1 minute ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Sickening and maddening that this fuckwad’s justification was because of a so called “invasion” in an area like other border communities in Texas that have been majority Latino since the Spanish conquest. God this pisses me off.

Shut the fuck up you stated you wanted to shoot illegals for fun.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

Just now, SimonBolivar said:

Shut the fuck up you stated you wanted to shoot illegals for fun.

Fuck off. I was trolling 

[Helobious 9454]

6 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Fuck off. I was trolling 

Sometimes that’s how it starts.

[Bruh Man 3160]

13 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

Sickening and maddening that this fuckwad’s justification was because of a so called “invasion” in an area like other border communities in Texas that have been majority Latino since the Spanish conquest. God this pisses me off.

[GHOSTUSER 361]

4 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Sometimes that’s how it starts.

And it’s not good for my soul. That’s why I have stopped 

[sachick 1189]

EPPD confirmed it was a white male in his 20's.

You don’t say. That’s a shock.

[Bottlecap 1523]

my cousin's husband on FB. I think it actually was their sports group that you've seen on CNN laying wounded on the ground outside WM

Hello everybody, team *** was not doing a fundraiser at the Walmart at Cielo vista but some of our parents were there doing a fundraiser for there girls soccer team . Myself and coach Jimmy where in the area raced over there to help out . 3 of our parents were injured. I was with Coach Memo until paramedics took him and Coach Jimmy found the kids and our team Mom’s. Kids are ok . Please keep them in your prayers . Thank you for everybody who has reach out .

[Gil Bang 25959]

4 minutes ago, Iconoclast Texan said:

And it’s not good for my soul. That’s why I have stopped 

you don't have a soul, fuckface.

[austingirl 2191]

36 minutes ago, Fozzz said:

No, I don’t think so. I do wonder though how people like Cruz and our esteemed governor, who share 80% of the politics of the shooter, can keep pulling from that well when the costs of doing so have been made so manifest. 

It wins them elections.

[texas08 1599]

This dude is doing a real solid job of keeping shit pretty organized. He’s not just mouthing off random shit or his opinion. He waits until there’s better sources reporting shit and then makes you aware of it.

[Wally Pryor 5261]

1 hour ago, Gil Bang said:

Nobody gives a fuck.  Nobody gave a fuck when kids were mass murdered at Sandy Hook. 

Nobody will do shit. 

Correct.  When little kids were slaughtered, over and over, and nothing was done, pretty clear it was a lost cause.