Active Shooter - El Paso

[Murfdogg21 4412]

7 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

You're right,  we're unlike any other country on the planet, the rest of them are smarter

You’re free to move to any of them, plenty of options to choose from. However, banning guns here eliminates the last Western option for people who want to keep the ability to defend their families from criminals and potentially a tyrannical government. If it’s the number one issue and you truly live in fear, move. 

[usmc0331horn 953]

So is our country unlike any on the planet and also the greatest country in the world? Hard to be the greatest when all you can offer are thoughts and prayers to victims of domestic terrorism. We gone to war over much less.

[McCroskey 1504]

1 minute ago, Blotto said:

Oh Fuck Off. You can't comprehend how banning the sales of semi-automatic weapons commonly used in these situations could reduce the problem? Really? One week after a guy shot up the garlic festival in Gilroy CA with a gun he purchased legally in NV (because its illegal to purchase in CA). Yet you can't envision any scenario where trying to take these sorts of weapons off the streets would alleviate the problem. You then actually hypothesize it would only amplify the problem. You may be fucking retarded and not just know it. 

Of course I can comprehend how banning the sales of guns COULD reduce the problem.  The problem is that any educated person should also be able to comprehend how banning the sales of certain guns MIGHT NOT have the intended effect and/or cause other unwanted outcomes..and those MUST be considered.  This is not an easy thing to resolve, is all I'm saying.

[usmc0331horn 953]

1 minute ago, Murfdogg21 said:

You’re free to move to any of them, plenty of options to choose from. However, banning guns here eliminates the last Western option for people who want to keep the ability to defend their families from criminals and potentially a tyrannical government. If it’s the number one issue and you truly live in fear, move. 

What a horseshit argument. Having a handgun or a shotgun at the house is not having a fucking ak 47 or a ar 15 with extended magazines to ensure most damage of innocent civilians. Also our country's people don't deserve guns. Most people fuck up good things and get them banned or laws changed. In the Marine Corps this happened all the time to the point that you can't even have live rounds in the barracks but yes let's be completely okay with so many stupid idiots having weapons that are constantly used in these mass killings.

[NorthLoop 14195]

7 minutes ago, Lobo said:

State with the most gun-packing tough guys now a whopping 0 for 18 in stopping mass shooters before/during the heinous massacres.  

Not a great rate guys for so many CHL folks and "ace marksman/outdoorsman."  Texas School for the Blind literally has the same savior rate.  

1-18

Sutherland Springs

[Guest Lobo]

I still see that the last 18 were not stopped before/during the massacre by a "responsible gun owning" Texan.  How is that possible?  We're the best at shit like this, yet are batting the same as Stephen Hawking at shooting mass murderers going back to just after Whitman.  

[ChickenSandwich 9834]

Gun or no gun. This loser would have just worn an explosive vest or made a bomb. 

Murderers kill people. Fuck this piece of shit and Iets hope those who lost their lives did so quickly and with as little pain as possible. 

[Michael Knight 12977]

3 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

You’re free to move to any of them, plenty of options to choose from. However, banning guns here eliminates the last Western option for people who want to keep the ability to defend their families from criminals and potentially a tyrannical government. If it’s the number one issue and you truly live in fear, move. 

You love this country so much you need guns to defend yourself from it

[Guest Lobo]

Just now, NorthLoop said:

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Sutherland Springs

God bless those guys that tracked that asshole down, but last I checked---nobody stopped him before/during the mass murder in the church.  That's my point.  We have ways of running down murderers AFTER they pull shit like this and gunning them down and/or arresting them.  But for a state with so many all-star NRA members, we sure as shit seem to always late to the showdown.

[bolverk 29671]

2 hours ago, immortal13 said:

I'm just glad the cloak roomers came over here to explain it all to the rest of us.

Sorry you weren't able to get your panties wet by typing out "religion of peace" on this one. There's always a next time!

[NorthLoop 14195]

ftr I'm on your side here, but the SS guy got sniped by the guy across the street while he was reloading to go back in the church. 

[Guest Lobo]

Good point.  I wish they had gotten there sooner, they did certainly reduce the carnage.  

[Cajun 11705]

22 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I tend to agree about giving these people fame, but honestly the killer's motivation is a huge part of the story.  Did the guy have a massive tumor like Whitman, or was it an Islamist or a white supremacist with an agenda?  When people need closure, they need to know why.

With you 100%.  Just stop saying his name over and over.

Note:  I'm only watching a local El Paso news team right now and they were repeating it a bunch a bit earlier but seem to have stopped now.

[Js1 85320]

3 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

Nobody gives a fuck.  Nobody gave a fuck when kids were mass murdered at Sandy Hook. 

Nobody will do shit. 

It MIGHT take some nut job lighting up the House or Senate chamber before anything gets done on gun reform by those gutless pussies  

Then again, nothing happened after the Congressional baseball practice shooting either soooooo......

[TexArcher 37774]

2 minutes ago, Cajun said:

With you 100%.  Just stop saying his name over and over.

Note:  I'm only watching a local El Paso news team right now and they were repeating it a bunch a bit earlier but seem to have stopped now.

Yeah, that's a bad idea for a bunch of reasons, including endangering the shooter's relatives.

[McCroskey 1504]

24 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

With white nationalist terrorism, you can only effectively counter it if there is a broad understanding of WHAT IT IS and WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.  

In these cases, sunlight is the best disinfectant. 

Sweeping these shooters under the rug does not help prevent future attacks because people will be unable to recognize the signs of a potential shooter.   This is a whole of society level issue we need to confront directly if we’re going prevent future attacks. 

You can do every bit of that without pictures and a name.

Edited August 4, 2019 by McCroskey

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, McCroskey said:

You can do every bit of that without pictures and names.

I agree.  His name is irrelevant. 

[immamac 42845]

Whoever runs these boards where these nutjobs hype each other up needs to be put in jail. 

[Deej 76766]

3 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Then again, nothing happened after the Congressional baseball practice shooting either soooooo......

Well, he was going after Republicans, so the left was kinda ok with that.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

24 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

Yeah where were the hero CHL holders? Why didn’t they stop this after the first shot? Oh they shit their underwear the same as everyone else when a gun is pointed in their face? Shocking. 

Dumb. Flight, fight or freeze. You only take option 2 if option 1 is unavailable. 

[immortal13 4059]

20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Sorry you weren't able to get your panties wet by typing out "religion of peace" on this one. There's always a next time!

I've never typed that, but thanks for trying.

[mdleast 8289]

Ugh...

[yoladu 4094]

56 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Also, media coverage on the shooters is absolutely out of fucking control.  STOP recognizing these cunts so much and do what the Utah police did with the killer of that young lady a few weeks back.

Recognize them how? I couldn’t name any of the these murderers in past mass shootings. They are either dead or rotting anonymously  in prison.

Mass shooting are usually referenced and remembered as places...  Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Orlando, Virginia Tech, Southerland Springs, Las Vegas and so on and so on and so on. 

How is the media not to report on this?

Edited August 4, 2019 by yoladu

[RomaVicta 29907]

37 minutes ago, TexArcher said:

I tend to agree about giving these people fame, but honestly the killer's motivation is a huge part of the story.  Did the guy have a massive tumor like Whitman, or was it an Islamist or a white supremacist with an agenda?  When people need closure, they need to know why.

 

49 minutes ago, McCroskey said:

Also, media coverage on the shooters is absolutely out of fucking control.  STOP recognizing these cunts so much and do what the Utah police did with the killer of that young lady a few weeks back.

Pearl Harbor was bombed yesterday by a country we will not name because we don't want to give them the satisfaction.

The World Trade Towers were destroyed today by some bad fellows whom we will not give the satisfaction of naming on the air. 

These attacks are not mere murders by attention seekers. They are attacks on Americans by persons who consider their victims an enemy. I don't think it's much of a leap to conclude that these White Supremacist attackers hope to be the van guard to others who will follow their lead.

These murderers are killing for a cause. They are not just thinking of going out in a blaze of personal attention.

This is more important than gun control or if this is a hate crime. It's an attack on a type of American citizen. These shootings are attacks on us. These attacks are domestic cases of 9/11.

The paradigm must shift in terms of coverage and attitude to what is going on and why.

[yoladu 4094]

38 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

You’re free to move to any of them, plenty of options to choose from. However, banning guns here eliminates the last Western option for people who want to keep the ability to defend their families from criminals and potentially a tyrannical government. If it’s the number one issue and you truly live in fear, move. 

Who is living in fear again?

Edited August 4, 2019 by yoladu

[Cajun 11705]

32 minutes ago, Lobo said:

State with the most gun-packing tough guys now a whopping 0 for 18 in stopping mass shooters before/during the heinous massacres.  

Not a great rate guys for so many CHL folks and "ace marksman/outdoorsman."  Texas School for the Blind literally has the same savior rate.  

 

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Willeford told Pam that there was an active shooter at the church and asked her to stay put. The last thing he heard before hanging up was her pleading, “Don’t go over there!”

Then he barreled out the front door, down the street toward the church. He didn’t even bother to put shoes on. 

Stephanie tried to follow, but he turned and asked her to go back inside and load another magazine for him (he wanted to give her a task so she wouldn’t leave the house).

As he approached the old white chapel, he screamed as loud as he could, “Hey!” To this day, he’s not sure why—he knows that giving away your position is foolish, tactically—but friends inside the church later told him that when the gunman heard Willeford’s cry, he stopped shooting and headed for the front door. “It was the Holy Spirit calling the demon out of the church,” he tells people.

Just as Willeford reached the front yard of Fred and Kathleen Curnow, whose house faces the church entrance, a man wearing black body armor and a helmet with a visor emerged from the church. Willeford scrambled behind the front tire of Fred’s Dodge Ram. The gunman raised his pistol and fired three times. One bullet hit the truck. One hit the Dodge Challenger parked behind him. One hit the house.

Willeford propped his AR-15 on the pickup’s hood and peered through the sight. He could see a holographic red dot on the man’s chest. He fired twice. He wasn’t sure he’d hit him, though he was later told that the man had contusions on his chest and abdomen consistent with getting shot while wearing body armor. Regardless, the gunman stopped shooting and ran for a white Ford Explorer that was idling outside the chapel, roughly twenty yards from where Willeford had positioned himself.

As the shooter rounded the front of the Explorer, Willeford noticed that the man’s vest didn’t cover the sides of his torso. Willeford fired twice more, striking the man once beneath the arm—in an unprotected spot—and once in the thigh. 

The man leaped into the vehicle, slammed the door, and fired twice through the driver’s side window. Willeford aimed for where he thought his target’s head would be and pulled the trigger, shattering the driver’s side window completely. The Explorer sped away, turning north onto FM 539, and Willeford ran into the street and got off another shot, this time shattering the SUV’s rear window.

The vehicle roared out of view. For a moment, it seemed he had gotten away. Then Willeford looked to his left and noticed a navy-blue Dodge Ram stopped at a nearby crossroad.

Johnnie Langendorff, a 27-year-old who had driven down from Seguin, thirty minutes north, that morning to visit his girlfriend, had arrived at the intersection across the street from the church just as the gunman walked out and began firing at Willeford. Langendorff had already dialed 911 when Willeford, whom he’d never met, ran toward him, barefoot and brandishing a warm AR-15. 

“That guy just shot up the church,” Willeford shouted. “We need to stop him.”

The next thing Willeford remembers hearing was the sound of Langendorff’s doors unlocking. He hopped in the truck, and they sped after the Explorer. 

Going north from Sutherland Springs, FM 539 is a two-lane blacktop that winds around craggy hills, through open pastures, past a handful of ranch houses toward Guadalupe County. As they raced after the Explorer, Langendorff topped 90 miles per hour, overtaking four or five other cars along the way. He stayed on the phone with the 911 dispatcher and updated their location every time they passed a cross street. They’d traveled seven or eight miles when they came around a bend and, for the first time, spotted the Explorer a few hundred feet ahead. 

“If we catch him, we may have to put him off the road,” Willeford said.

Langendorff nodded. “I already figured that.”

As they closed in on the SUV, it swerved back and forth across both lanes and then, abruptly, careered off the road into a ditch. Langendorff pulled up about five yards behind the Explorer. Willeford clutched the AR-15 in his right hand— he only had two rounds remaining, not enough to survive another shootout—and reached down to open the door with his left. Just as he was stepping out, the Explorer peeled off, plowing through a street sign on its way back to the road. Willeford closed his door. Langendorff stomped on the gas. The SUV made it only a few hundred yards before veering off the road, smashing through a fence, and rolling to a stop roughly thirty feet into a field.

Langendorff put the truck in park on the road, about fifty yards from the Explorer. Willeford told Langendorff to duck under the dash as he, for the second time in a span of ten minutes, posted up behind the front tire of a Dodge Ram, perching his rifle on the hood. He screamed at the man in the SUV, who didn’t budge or utter a sound. (He says he isn’t proud of the language he used that day, that he was angry in the moment.) He’s not sure how long he stayed there before hearing the voice of a police officer on a PA behind him.

“Driver, put down your weapon and come out with your hands up,” Willeford remembers the officer saying. When the officer repeated himself, Willeford laid his rifle on the hood and turned toward the squad car.

“Not you!” the officer shouted.

Soon, other officers arrived. To Willeford’s recollection, there were a dozen, at least, from jurisdictions all over the area. Rather than assault the vehicle, they decided to dispatch a drone to inspect the SUV for any movement inside. An officer arrived with the drone after nearly an hour, and through its camera they could see that the gunman was dead in the driver’s seat. Willeford watched as the officers cautiously converged on the Explorer, until they were close enough to peer through the window. The fatal wound was a self-inflicted gunshot to the head.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/articles/stephen-willeford-sutherland-springs-mass-murder/

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

3 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

The paradigm must shift in terms of coverage and attitude to what is going on and why.

I’ve argued this is our civil war.  It’s just manifesting in an asymmetrical way and we’re failing to recognize it.  We can’t keep treating these as merely crimes.  It’s something more significant. 

[JohnnyRage 1617]

Mexican  Drug Cartel Violence.

 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

18 minutes ago, mdleast said:

Ugh...

Is that from this shooter? 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Is that from this shooter? 

According to reports, it’s an image reposted/liked by the shooter.  Not necessarily the shooter’s guns. 

[Blotto 23498]

Just now, Mojo Hand said:

Is that from this shooter? 

Allegedly, but in todays age of trolling social media with misinformation, I'd say its 50/50.

[yoladu 4094]

50 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Gun or no gun. This loser would have just worn an explosive vest or made a bomb. 

OK. I will take it. No guns, thank you. Explosive vests and bombs are not as effective or as reliable as semi-automatic firearms.

 

[usmc0331horn 953]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve argued this is our civil war.  It’s just manifesting in an asymmetrical way and we’re failing to recognize it.  We can’t keep treating these as merely crimes.  It’s something more significant. 

And pro gun nuts are as entrenched as slavers were in 1860.

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

1 minute ago, yoladu said:

OK. I will take it. No guns, thank you. Explosive vests and bombs are not as effective or as reliable as semi-automatic firearms.

 

And also tend to blow up the creators face unless they really know what they are doing. Otherwise, someone would be flagged by the FBI searching the internet on how to make one. 

[McCroskey 1504]

20 minutes ago, yoladu said:

Recognize them how? I couldn’t name any of the these murderers in past mass shootings. They are either dead or rotting anonymously  in prison.

Mass shooting are usually referenced and remembered as places...  Columbine, Sandy Hook, Aurora, Orlando, Virginia Tech, Southerland Springs, Las Vegas and so on and so on and so on. 

How is the media not to report on this?

I didn't say don't report on a shooting.  Cover it all you want, just don't personalize the shooter and "celebritize" them to the extent that is almost always done.  It doesn't matter that normal people like you ultimately won't remember, it's that the psychologically damaged individuals who WOULD commit such an atrocious attack can be motivated more than they are already in some cases in knowing they will gain some level of infamy as a result.  Many cases of this occurring and/or suspected of occurring in the last several decades are well documented.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

25 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

I've never typed that, but thanks for trying.

Orlando nightclub shooting:

"immortal13

It is true. Islam is not a religion of peace. Read the Quran"

 http://www.shaggytexas.com/board/showthread.php/170698-Orlando-nightclub-shooting-thread?p=9657643&viewfull=1#post9657643

 

[texas08 1599]

In the day light, in El Paso, at a Walmart....
...is NOT where hitmen, real ones, ever work. Never.
Spoiler: Cartel has real hit men.

Are people really trying to spin this as cartel work?

If a cartel wanted to make a statement...they would kidnap actual involved people, decapitate a few heads, hang the torsos and body parts around the city. They would also be posting boards with a message claiming their work and who they’re coming after next.

Basically they’re not pussies. They don’t go after innocent people and they claim their work.

[yoladu 4094]

4 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

And also tend to blow up the creators face unless they really know what they are doing. Otherwise, someone would be flagged by the FBI searching the internet on how to make one. 

not to mention this fuckhead likely wouldn't have it in him to blow himself up.

[Zepol87 9185]

When will address our homegrown terrorist issue??

[Jive Turkey 12595]

This is even more true than when he said it in 2004. 

[usmc0331horn 953]

1 minute ago, Jive Turkey said:

This is even more true than when he said it in 2004. 

And white people seeing some of their power slipping makes them even more dangerous and violent.

[Woodrow Call 494]

We'll have a few minutes, hours or maybe days of rage. Then most Americans will go back their routines and hardly have a passing thought about mass shootings. Until the next one. And there will be a next one. Repeat the cycle. Thoughts and prayers, forget and then get back to buying cheap plastic shit online, eating fast food and being one of the dumbest fucking nation's in the history of western civilization.  
Just another day with a well-regulated militia. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Woodrow Call

[McCroskey 1504]

25 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

Pearl Harbor was bombed yesterday by a country we will not name because we don't want to give them the satisfaction.

The World Trade Towers were destroyed today by some bad fellows whom we will not give the satisfaction of naming on the air. 

These attacks are not mere murders by attention seekers. They are attacks on Americans by persons who consider their victims an enemy. I don't think it's much of a leap to conclude that these White Supremacist attackers hope to be the van guard to others who will follow their lead.

These murderers are killing for a cause. They are not just thinking of going out in a blaze of personal attention.

This is more important than gun control or if this is a hate crime. It's an attack on a type of American citizen. These shootings are attacks on us. These attacks are domestic cases of 9/11.

The paradigm must shift in terms of coverage and attitude to what is going on and why.

I don't disagree with a lot of what you say (lots of valid points there) but make no mistake, human beings (which sadly and obviously includes the cunt mass murderers) FEED from attention.  I further suspect most people can differentiate the discussion we're having from events like Pearl Harbor and 9/11.

There are reasons suicides aren't reported to the extent they are...studies have proven excessive coverage of suicides can actually increase suicides.  There are MANY documented cases of mass murder where the murderers fed from the attention they knew they'd receive.

This isn't just conjecture.

[Trey3216 15346]

Welp.  I guess we just have start killing all the white people.  Only way to be sure.  

[Blotto 23498]

7 minutes ago, yoladu said:

OK. I will take it. No guns, thank you. Explosive vests and bombs are not as effective or as reliable as semi-automatic firearms.

 

No shit.... Sunderland church shooting

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Inside, he yelled, "Everybody die, motherfuckers," as he proceeded up and down the center aisle and shot at people in the pews.[7][8] Police found 15 empty magazines capable of holding 30 rounds each. Authorities stated Kelley fired approximately 700 rounds during the estimated 11 minute long shooting.[1][9][10][11] According to investigators, the shooting was captured on a camera set up at the back of the church to record regular services for uploading online. The footage shows Kelley methodically shooting the victims, pausing only to reload his rifle.[12]

The average fucktard in this country has no business owning this kind of firepower. Its fucking ridiculous.

[workswithseed 2103]

1 minute ago, Trey3216 said:

Welp.  I guess we just have start killing all the white people.  Only way to be sure.  

But i like the Irish. 

[Helobious 9448]

8 minutes ago, SmokeyTheBear said:

And also tend to blow up the creators face unless they really know what they are doing. Otherwise, someone would be flagged by the FBI searching the internet on how to make one. 

A good example is Columbine. It was never meant to go down the way it did. They tried using homemade bombs but they failed. Their guns did not.

[mdmost 43001]

2 minutes ago, Woodrow Call said:

We'll have a few minutes, hours or maybe days of rage. Then most Americans will go back their routines and hardly have a passing thought about mass shootings. Until the next one. And there will be a next one. Repeat the cycle. Thoughts and prayers, forget and then get back to buying cheap plastic shit online, eating fast food and being one of the dumbest fucking nation's in the history of western civilization.  
Just another day with a well-regulated militia. 

Of course. This is the new normal. It's too difficult to do the hard things that might prevent this from happening. So we just live with this new normal while hoping it never touches us. We live in a country where it's too easy for anyone who can't handle their lack of status, disagreements, or anger without using a weapon meant to kill as many people as possible in the most accurate way in quickest amount of time. 

[Dbeasy 15048]

Don’t know if it’s been reported but my ex neighbors texted me that the suspect graduated from my kids school, Plano, in 2017.

[Deej 76766]

5 minutes ago, Blotto said:

No shit.... Sunderland church shooting

The average fucktard in this country has no business owning this kind of firepower. Its fucking ridiculous.

I am good with taking it out of the hands of the average fucktard, as long as we also take it out of the hands of the average fucktard LEO's.