Active Shooter - El Paso

[elguapo 4586]

 
CLEARLY NOT A WHITE NATIONALIST
 

WHY ARE YOU GROSSLY MISCHARACTERIZING TRUMPS OWN WORDS?

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

Just now, elguapo said:

You already admitted you don’t pay attention so you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about. Go educate yourself before speaking on subjects you are ignorant about.

It's going to have to be something a lot stronger than "if you don't like it here you can leave".  And if it were stronger than that it would be all over the newspapers, news, news feeds, and not just fringe political thinkers and their continual the sky is falling shrill shill. 

[Helobious 9454]

3 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I'm not being willfully ignorant. I no more hang on Trump's every word any more than I hung on Obama's.  But when a person or persons start spouting white supermacy/nationalism, brown people are targets, low grade civil war in 2019?  I know you're a fringe thinker, and quite frankly need to misinterpret the comments.

I’m not being a dick, I’m just confused... are you saying brown people weren’t the targets in El Paso yesterday? Even though the shooter explicitly stated he was out to kill Mexicans? He was just making that up and drove 8 hours to shoot up a Walmart, with no racist motivation behind his actions?

[elguapo 4586]

It's going to have to be something a lot stronger than "if you don't like it here you can leave".  And if it were stronger than that it would be all over the newspapers, news, news feeds, and not just fringe political thinkers and their continual the sky is falling shrill shill. 

Holy shit do you live under a rock?

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"You can only get away with shooting refugees in the panhandle. lmao!!!" - Donald J Trump

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

Just now, elguapo said:

WHY ARE YOU GROSSLY MISCHARACTERIZING TRUMPS OWN WORDS?

Oh GAWD.  Invasion...gasp.  Infest...oh lordy, this is the big one...Get a fucking grip.  Something like 10% of the people in this country are here illegally and largely undocumented.  He's not wrong, but it's hardly go shoot every brown bastard you see language unless you are a crazy.  

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

3 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I’m not being a dick, I’m just confused... are you saying brown people weren’t the targets in El Paso yesterday? Even though the shooter explicitly stated he was out to kill Mexicans? He was just making that up and drove 8 hours to shoot up a Walmart, with no racist motivation behind his actions?

One crazy person does not a national white supremacy movement make.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

2 minutes ago, elguapo said:

Holy shit do you live under a rock?

No, I live in the real world where words like invasion don't flip me the fuck out.

[elguapo 4586]

Oh GAWD.  Invasion...gasp.  Infest...oh lordy, this is the big one...Get a fucking grip.  Something like 10% of the people in this country are here illegally and largely undocumented.  He's not wrong, but it's hardly go shoot every brown bastard you see language unless you are a crazy.  

Go ask your Hispanic relatives or friends how they feel about this rhetoric.

Or just listen to the hispanics on this board who’ve posted that they feel targeted. Do you think they are lying or being over dramatic?

[Hawndoh 2386]

3 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

No, I live in the real world where words like invasion don't flip me the fuck out.

You are either very naive or intentionally blind to the world around you. 

[Helobious 9454]

6 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

One crazy person does not a national white supremacy movement make.

Off the top of my head there was also Charleston, Poway, Kentucky grocery store, Sikh temple, and possibly Dayton in the past 7 years. And the tens of thousands celebrating and being inspired by all those shootings in their online communities. But besides all them I agree it’s not a problem at all.

Edited August 4, 2019 by Helobious

[elguapo 4586]

No, I live in the real world where words like invasion don't flip me the fuck out.

My wife, a Hispanic, has basically been in bed all weekend because she is so upset about this. I’ll let her know that Bobby Batronic from the internet thinks she’s just flipping out.

[NorthLoop 14208]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

My wife, a Hispanic, has basically been in bed all weekend because she is so upset about this. I’ll let her know that Bobby Batronic from the internet thinks she’s just flipping out.

You're a race traitor... shit did I type that out loud? /Bobby

[David Dennison 18860]

6 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Oh GAWD.  Invasion...gasp.  Infest...oh lordy, this is the big one...Get a fucking grip.  Something like 10% of the people in this country are here illegally and largely undocumented.  He's not wrong, but it's hardly go shoot every brown bastard you see language unless you are a crazy.  

[C-Man 27230]

You are either very naive or intentionally blind to the world around you. 

I’m assuming BB is an upper-class white guy and America “works” pretty well for that particular segment of our society especially with this POTUS. As long as that’s not disturbed, all’s good.

(FTR, I’m a white guy who is beyond fed up with this senseless bullshit.)

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Don't forget the ones who weren't successful

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/454480-lawyers-say-pipe-bomb-mailing-suspect-radicalized-by-trump-tweets-fox-news

[immortal13 4059]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

The idea that you standing with an AR-15 or an M1 Abrams against any military force is silly, and it isn’t the argument. The argument is that a population armed can lead an insurrection and resistance vs an occupying or tyrannical force with small arms by using appropriate tactics, not by pitched battles in open fields.

That this needed to be explained is silly.

Standing with an M1 Abrams?

[hobbes2702 13034]

34 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

In other words, he was crazy.

Not according the Dsm V. Try again.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

6 minutes ago, C-Man said:

 

I’m assuming BB is an upper-class white guy and America “works” pretty well for that particular segment of our society especially with this POTUS. As long as that’s not disturbed, all’s good.

(FTR, I’m a white guy who is beyond fed up with this senseless bullshit.)

 

I'm a conservative guy who's ready to entertain solutions to mass shootings.  Realistic ones.You're not going to ban all guns.  Sorry, not happening.

As to your first comments, America has worked pretty well for me whether I was living below the poverty level or an upper-class white guy, and America will survive Trump just as it did Obama or Bush or Carter. I know, the "that's because you're white" line is next.  You're part of the problem if you think that way.

[achooloco 1072]

43 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

In other words, he was crazy.

No he wasn’t.  He is a terrorist.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

8 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Not according the Dsm V. Try again.

You're right.  He was completely of sound mind.  You can attach whatever psychiatry tag to his condition that you like.  Any person who decides that they're going to kill a bunch of people, or who thinks melanin content or lack thereof imbues one with superiority/inferiority, or wants to kill a bunch of people because of their belief in the magical powers of melanin has multiple screws loose.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Crazy people don’t write a manifesto replete with white nationalist ideas and hatred for Hispanics, drive 9 hours to a border city with a heavy Hispanic population, come prepared with tactical gear and ear protection, post said manifesto online minutes before walking into a Walmart in said border town with weapons of war, on a Saturday the weekend before school starts (ensuring a full house), and proceed to start massacring innocent people.

THAT’S NOT CRAZY YOU HEAD IN THE SAND MORON - THAT IS WHITE NATIONALIST TERRORISM INSPIRED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

God.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

2 minutes ago, achooloco said:

No he wasn’t.  He is a terrorist.

Please point to all the sane terrorists.  No really.  Describe how a person who wants to kill a bunch of people, and likely lose their life in the process short of actual warfare is right in the head.

[Jersey Man10 3535]

Anyone got links or images of shooting aftermath? Don't give a shit about political bs your opinions don't matter.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

Just now, Bama Chick said:

Crazy people don’t write a manifesto replete with white nationalist ideas and hatred for Hispanics, drive 9 hours to a border city with a heavy Hispanic population, come prepared with tactical gear and ear protection, post said manifesto online minutes before walking into a Walmart in said border town with weapons of war, on a Saturday the weekend before school starts (ensuring a full house), and proceed to start massacring innocent people.

THAT’S NOT CRAZY YOU HEAD IN THE SAND MORON - THAT IS WHITE NATIONALIST TERRORISM INSPIRED BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES

God.

I see you ventured out of the echo chamber, and your first paragraph sounds exactly like what a some crazy asshole would do.

[David Dennison 18860]

Just now, Bobby_Batronic said:

Please point to all the sane terrorists.  No really.  Describe how a person who wants to kill a bunch of people, and likely lose their life in the process short of actual warfare is right in the head.

We created the Department of Homeland Security to deal with the mentally ill?

[Helobious 9454]

4 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I'm a conservative guy who's ready to entertain solutions to mass shootings.  Realistic ones.You're not going to ban all guns.  Sorry, not happening.

As to your first comments, America has worked pretty well for me whether I was living below the poverty level or an upper-class white guy, and America will survive Trump just as it did Obama or Bush or Carter. I know, the "that's because you're white" line is next.  You're part of the problem if you think that way.

I’m a hispanic dude. I feel somewhat uneasy given that 20 people were just gunned down simply for being the same ethnicity as me. This attack mere months after the president of the country I live in laughed off comments made by one of his supporters about shooting people like me. Do you at least understand why all that might make me kind of disturbed? 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

Just now, David Dennison said:

We created the Department of Homeland Security to deal with the mentally ill?

In a manner of speaking....absolutely.  I know you think you're being witty and cute, and that you and Hugo have metal masturbation sessions in the CR on the reg, but let me help you out on a few things.

Trump's not going to jail.  He might actually get elected again if the Dems don't moderate the fuck out of their positions.  There's not a war on brown people.  There's not a civil war.  Trump, for the disaster he is as a communicator and as general moral reprobate, isn't a white nationalist trying to ensure white hegemony for the foreseeable future.  But y'all keep beating that drum.

[David Dennison 18860]

11 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I'm a conservative guy who's ready to entertain solutions to mass shootings.  Realistic ones.You're not going to ban all guns.  Sorry, not happening.

As to your first comments, America has worked pretty well for me whether I was living below the poverty level or an upper-class white guy, and America will survive Trump just as it did Obama or Bush or Carter. I know, the "that's because you're white" line is next.  You're part of the problem if you think that way.

Survive Obama.

GTFO with that shit.

[David Dennison 18860]

Just now, Bobby_Batronic said:

In a manner of speaking....absolutely.  I know you think you're being witty and cute, and that you and Hugo have metal masturbation sessions in the CR on the reg, but let me help you out on a few things.

Trump's not going to jail.  He might actually get elected again if the Dems don't moderate the fuck out of their positions.  There's not a war on brown people.  There's not a civil war.  Trump, for the disaster he is as a communicator and as general moral reprobate, isn't a white nationalist trying to ensure white hegemony for the foreseeable future.  But y'all keep beating that drum.

Donald Trump is a racist piece of shit and you support him.

 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

2 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I’m a hispanic dude. I feel somewhat uneasy given that 20 people were just gunned down simply for being the same ethnicity as me. This attack mere months after the president of the country I live in laughed off comments made by one of his supporters about shooting people like me. Do you at least understand why all that might make me kind of disturbed? 

Now, that is a rational take.  But worthy of a viewpoint of a war on brown people?  You'll not catch me arguing that Trump picks his words well.  My skin crawls any time he speaks.  But I'm also a sane, rational person who doesn't think Trump is giving marching orders to some white nationalist movement nor am I about let words like "invasion" make me think that he was giving cover or instruction to start mowing down hispanics.

[woohorn 1131]

No idea if this reporter is being led down a dead end by her source, but she's the first reporter I saw get LEO on record with Patrick Crusius' name this afternoon.
https://twitter.com/Anna_Giaritelli

Her info on Ohio wasn't very accurate. According to pd chief press conference, sis and pal were shot in street a ways from car after spree had started and friend not dead. Looks like she throws a lot of shit out there without vetting, fwiw.

[C-Man 27230]

9 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Please point to all the sane terrorists.  No really.  Describe how a person who wants to kill a bunch of people, and likely lose their life in the process short of actual warfare is right in the head.

For the most part, terrorists are not people that simply like to watch the world burn. They have a goal, a goal they think is righteous whether it's Arabs, NRA, the ETA, KKK, white nationalists, etc. For them, it is war. It's misguided but not necessarily mental illness in the classic sense of the word.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Donald Trump is a racist piece of shit and you support him.

 

I didn't vote for him.  I would't vote for him again, but what I'm seeing on the other side as presidential candidates is crazy laced liberally with socialism.  Enjoy your masturbation sessions in the CR.

[David Dennison 18860]

1 minute ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

Now, that is a rational take.  But worthy of a viewpoint of a war on brown people?  You'll not catch me arguing that Trump picks his words well.  My skin crawls any time he speaks.  But I'm also a sane, rational person who doesn't think Trump is giving marching orders to some white nationalist movement nor am I about let words like "invasion" make me think that he was giving cover or instruction to start mowing down hispanics.

But you're sure as shit going to vote for him again, even though he's a racist piece of white trash.

[David Dennison 18860]

Just now, Bobby_Batronic said:

I didn't vote for him.  I would't vote for him again, but what I'm seeing on the other side as presidential candidates is crazy laced liberally with socialism.  Enjoy your masturbation sessions in the CR.

Gary Johnson strikes again.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

3 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

I'm a conservative guy 

Just out of curiosity, what is this supposed to mean?  

Not trying to pry but it means different things to different people these days.  For some it’s just a shield that says “I’m anti-liberal”.  This is my most common interpretation when I hear people self declare themselves conservative. 

For others it more about ideas like preserving the constitution, free trade, fiscal responsibility, pro-immigration, and family values.  These folks are now an endangered species under closer scrutiny.

And then there are the contemporary Republican conservatives that are all about building walls, trade wars, Muslim bans, separating families seeking asylum, loving brutal dictators, building a military police state, crypto white nationalism, and liberal tears.  You know, Trumpers.   

Sadly, the word conservative has very little meaning these days.   I should know, I used to consider myself a conservative. 

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

For the most part, terrorists are not people that simply like to watch the world burn. They have a goal, a goal they think is righteous whether it's Arabs, NRA, the ETA, KKK, white nationalists, etc. For them, it is war. It's misguided but not necessarily mental illness in the classic sense of the word.

I wouldn't argue that.  But they are not right in the head either in the classic sense of the word.  

[Your Mom 4806]

The idea that simply commiting mass murder is enough to diagnose someone as mentally ill is grossly ignorant and a dangerous way of thinking. Some people are simply evil. Others have been persuaded into thinking they are being victimized by their victims. Neither are necessarily crazy or mentally ill. Sometimes sane people just do awful shit. 

[hobbes2702 13034]

16 minutes ago, Bobby_Batronic said:

You're right.  He was completely of sound mind.  You can attach whatever psychiatry tag to his condition that you like.  Any person who decides that they're going to kill a bunch of people, or who thinks melanin content or lack thereof imbues one with superiority/inferiority, or wants to kill a bunch of people because of their belief in the magical powers of melanin has multiple screws loose.

Yea I’ll trust the actual people who study these things rather than someone who is completely uninformed about the topic at hand

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

For others it more about ideas like preserving the constitution, free trade, fiscal responsibility, pro legal immigration, and family values.  These folks are now an endangered species under closer scrutiny.

This would be me with a slight modification to your list.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

3 minutes ago, hobbes2702 said:

Yea I’ll trust the actual people who study these things rather than someone who is completely uninformed about the topic at hand

Go for it.

[C-Man 27230]

Is it odd that they've released the names of all nine victims of the Dayton shooting and have yet to do that for the 20 dead in El Paso? CNN would have you believe there are still relatives of "missing" people that have not received confirmation if their loved ones are among those killed in the Wal-Mart.

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

4 minutes ago, Your Mom said:

The idea that simply commiting mass murder is enough to diagnose someone as mentally ill is grossly ignorant and a dangerous way of thinking. Some people are simply evil. Others have been persuaded into thinking they are being victimized by their victims. Neither are necessarily crazy or mentally ill. Sometimes sane people just do awful shit. 

It's not dangerous at all.  Enough with the continual f'ing hyperbole. It's real simple. No person of sound mind short of being engaged in actual warfare even thinks about killing a lot of people.  Yes, its' evil.  Next someone will argue about what if they perceive they're at war because of external factors etc.  If you lack the kind of discernment that your perceived victimhood justifies mass murder then something clearly isn't connecting upstairs.  If such thoughts every actually cross your mind.  If you spend one second fantasizing about it.  If you spend an iota on the logistics of it then you need to seek help.  Something isn't right in your head. 

[Tom 2959]

Bobby_Batronic is far more concerned with how a terrorist is perceived on the internet than the fact that a terrorist gunned down 20 people.

20 people lost their lives, but what's really important is that we don't attribute his actions to his admitted motivations. 

[Your Mom 4806]

You’re stating this as fact and that’s the problem.  And it’s not based on any expertise at all. As someone who’s job is often second-guessed by the uninformed public you should know better. You’re doing the same thing to the mental health industry. 

You can be of sound mind and still be evil.  Otherwise every mass murderer is absolved of responsibility.  After all, they were sick, it wasn’t their fault. That’s what makes that line of thinking dangerous. It’s a built in excuse for mass murder. 

Edited August 4, 2019 by Your Mom

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^ Exactly why 'mental illness' is one of the first phrases that comes out of the mouths of Rs after a shooting.

[Continental Op 3934]

43 minutes ago, Jersey Man10 said:

Anyone got links or images of shooting aftermath? Don't give a shit about political bs your opinions don't matter.

Why? Is that something your weird virgin incel ass likes to jerk off to?  

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

11 minutes ago, retread said:

^ Exactly why 'mental illness' is one of the first phrases that comes out of the mouths of Rs after a shooting.

Then they turn around and cut funding for mental illness.  The whole thing is a total head fake and it's funny how many people willfully fall for it.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

23 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Is it odd that they've released the names of all nine victims of the Dayton shooting and have yet to do that for the 20 dead in El Paso? CNN would have you believe there are still relatives of "missing" people that have not received confirmation if their loved ones are among those killed in the Wal-Mart.

El Paso is still an active crime scene.  The bodies are still there. Shooter to be prosecuted. 

Dayton is a closed case.  Shooter is dead.