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On 2/4/2022 at 12:32 PM, Bruh Man said:

This tweet is stunning...

I guess @Bruh Man and @George Clooneywere right all along.

For the last 2+ years we've taken heat in here from the likes of @Hank_Hill @Rickylovesweed @texifornia @Ricky Butler etc. for having the audacity to acknowledge the monstrosity of a football program A&M is building. Now look you guys in here begging the NCAA and corrupt media to save us. Sad!

 

He's dead ass right about this tweet. It is definitely stunning.

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2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

@linux you ignorant dummy. 

I predicted mass transfers in  December 2022 (actually when they signed but did not put it in writing), I can not believe I have to say this and it kinda flabbergasted that you are like this over something so simple but 2023 is not 2022, I repeat again 2023 is not 2022, it is a year later.

I was talking about the class AFTER their greatest class ever the class that had only had Ant Hill commited after the pool party, around June 2022 this class was barren, it was a disaster not only in commits but in interest they were trending to hell, after Ant Hill decomitted it was outside the top 25, nobody gave a correct answer as for why and I did, they were no longer first movers in NIL, if you want to claim it was pay for play NIL then fine I don't care, of course Aggie NIL is Boosters masquerading as people that want influencers. But it is still the answer Texas A&M around June 2021 started offering players enormous amounts of money that could be wired into their accounts (remember the slogan bagmen can't beat bankrolls this is exactly why, again do people not understand what is being said?) by June 2022 everyone caught up, their losing season started in August 2022, and the rest is a complete disaster class, it made it to top 19 because the Louisville coach gat canned.

I get it that people get angry when I am right, that is why I have an enormous cotails of haters, but if you just bothered to read my posts and understand them at least you would not five me the satisfaction of doing a victory lap, come on dude drop the anger and stop giving me stuff like this. Think.

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25 minutes ago, linux said:

I get it that people get angry when I am right, that is why I have an enormous cotails of haters, but if you just bothered to read my posts and understand them at least you would not five me the satisfaction of doing a victory lap

I guess I thought cotails were something else.

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Hmm, just learned DJ Campbell's name is Devon. 

Even with Terrance Brooks being a bust the right side of that chart has outperformed the left side by a wide margin. 

Shemar Stewart got absolutely destroyed by our OL and TEs last weekend. I think he was one of the ones on the ground, grabbing body parts that never got hit, tapping out in the 4th quarter. 

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1 minute ago, RomaVicta said:

I guess I thought cotails were something else.

Lol you know what I mean, I will never understand why do people get so out of whack angry (not you RomaVicta) that they drop everything they are doing just because they THINK they can dunk on me like literally skimming posts to do the AHA! instead of internalizing what is being said and reasoning an understanding I clearly said 2023 I did not make it a trap or an illusion that I was referring to 2022 yet I got a glorious glorious copy pasta and people still trying to dunk on me days later.

Here I am scratching my head, if I can get legitimately intelligent people to drop everything to try to prove 2+2=5 because they thought I said 2+2=3 (and again I never did or even came close to implying it) then what does it make me? Then you wonder why my ego is so inflated sometimes wish I was a narcissist so I would only enjoy it, I do a bit but also worry about society the macro level.

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I do admit it is not productive behavior, but at the end of the day we are all motivated by irrational things. I absolutely don't mind in the slightest if people dunk on me because I legitimately made a mistake, hell I fucking welcome it. But this... this is not that.

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3 hours ago, linux said:

Lol you know what I mean, I will never understand why do people get so out of whack angry (not you RomaVicta) that they drop everything they are doing just because they THINK they can dunk on me like literally skimming posts to do the AHA! instead of internalizing what is being said and reasoning an understanding I clearly said 2023 I did not make it a trap or an illusion that I was referring to 2022 yet I got a glorious glorious copy pasta and people still trying to dunk on me days later.

Here I am scratching my head, if I can get legitimately intelligent people to drop everything to try to prove 2+2=5 because they thought I said 2+2=3 (and again I never did or even came close to implying it) then what does it make me? Then you wonder why my ego is so inflated sometimes wish I was a narcissist so I would only enjoy it, I do a bit but also worry about society the macro level.

Hey guy, look at the names listed in the tweet. It’s players from the “historic” class. You’re sitting here arguing the penalties of the year that someone on twitter posted and ignoring the actual meat and potatoes. And you attempt to talk about people skimming posts and posting without reading. That’s some rich ass shit. 
 

 

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30 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Hey guy, look at the names listed in the tweet. It’s players from the “historic” class. You’re sitting here arguing the penalties of the year that someone on twitter posted and ignoring the actual meat and potatoes. And you attempt to talk about people skimming posts and posting without reading. That’s some rich ass shit. 
 

 

Again dude, I asked specifically why the 2023 class was a bust (the signing not on the field production) that was the discussion that was had earlier in the week. That I got a god damn copypasta made my week though.

That said I also did answer the question that I am being incorrectly called out in this thread, in December 16 2022 I went on record they were going to get a flood of transfers from that 2022 class. I made the correct prediction, and posted a link to it.

As for the updated list I found it on reddit

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16 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

No one here is contending that A&M paid that class a shit ton of money. Here's the part that people are arguing :

The Aggies were not, in fact, in on NIL months faster. NIL = endorsements. NIL = conditions that must be met to get paid (be in this commercial, do this interview, show up at this charity, tweet about my product, etc). That A&M class had none of these. It was straight up, unconditional, "I'm going to pay your uncle to get you here", cash. NIL is organized, vetted, within the rules, and above board. Aggy cash that year was under the table, hidden, lied about, and unconditional. It was not any sort of organized NIL attempt.

As to why their next class cratered in comparison, you are partially right: everybody's else NIL efforts quickly surpassed and dwarfed what aggy was trying to do. However it's your assertion that we passed their early NIL efforts that is wrong. They didn't have any early NIL efforts. They had an under the table, outside the rules, non -NIL payment system. Everybody else's legitimately organized NIL efforts quickly passed aggy's under the table bullshit, and their recruiting started to tank as a result.

Disrespect A&M's sunflower seed-fueled NIL machine at your own peril, good sir.

 

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26 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

No one here is contending that A&M paid that class a shit ton of money. Here's the part that people are arguing :

The Aggies were not, in fact, in on NIL months faster. NIL = endorsements. NIL = conditions that must be met to get paid (be in this commercial, do this interview, show up at this charity, tweet about my product, etc). That A&M class had none of these. It was straight up, unconditional, "I'm going to pay your uncle to get you here", cash. NIL is organized, vetted, within the rules, and above board. Aggy cash that year was under the table, hidden, lied about, and unconditional. It was not any sort of organized NIL attempt.

As to why their next class cratered in comparison, you are partially right: everybody's else NIL efforts quickly surpassed and dwarfed what aggy was trying to do. However it's your assertion that we passed their early NIL efforts that is wrong. They didn't have any early NIL efforts. They had an under the table, outside the rules, non -NIL payment system. Everybody else's legitimately organized NIL efforts quickly passed aggy's under the table bullshit, and their recruiting started to tank as a result.

It was ugly NIL it was pay for play NIL but it is what it is nowadays, they got money wired to them, bagmen of yore could only transfer a car a mcdonalds bag of cash, this created a limit on the transactions and mid 5 figures were enough to get a player signed, few schools could offer more for that same reason. On June 2021 A&M could come to recruits and tell them we will WIRE you 6-7 figures a YEAR, if you sign with us, all you have to do is sign autographs. This is the only reason for their 2022 class they were early movers. (also I don't want to debate exact numbers gotcha if they are an order of magnitude wrong I don't give a shit)

Was it clean? no, was it pay to play? yes, was it legal? according to state law yes because nobody could prove it was pay to play there was no smoking gun to be found because it was SO EASY to half ass an autograph session, why are people so obsessed about semantics? I have no idea.

UT was months late on its NIL One Texas Fund was November, Pancake factory was December, are people really going to argue that A&M's disorganized booster led NIL was not really NIL? A) This is a waste of time argument B) nobody absolutely nobody not the NCAA not the courts not even Saban said it was illegal.

TL;DR Texas A&M offered pay for play around June 2021, they could get away with it by just asking for signed autographs, this is still NIL, pay to play NIL but still NIL because that is what the Texas lege law lazyly allowed. 

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Watched Denver Harris get burned by some Temple WR for a long touchdown in the Alamodome a few weeks ago. He spent the next 20 minutes on the sideline absolutely beside himself. I thoroughly enjoyed it. 

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12 minutes ago, linux said:

It was ugly NIL it was pay for play NIL but it is what it is nowadays, they got money wired to them, bagmen of yore could only transfer a car a mcdonalds bag of cash, this created a limit on the transactions and mid 5 figures were enough to get a player signed, few schools could offer more for that same reason. On June 2021 A&M could come to recruits and tell them we will WIRE you 6-7 figures a YEAR, if you sign with us, all you have to do is sign autographs. This is the only reason for their 2022 class they were early movers. (also I don't want to debate exact numbers gotcha if they are an order of magnitude wrong I don't give a shit)

Was it clean? no, was it pay to play? yes, was it legal? according to state law yes because nobody could prove it was pay to play there was no smoking gun to be found because it was SO EASY to half ass an autograph session, why are people so obsessed about semantics? I have no idea.

UT was months late on its NIL One Texas Fund was November, Pancake factory was December, are people really going to argue that A&M's disorganized booster led NIL was not really NIL? A) This is a waste of time argument B) nobody absolutely nobody not the NCAA not the courts not even Saban said it was illegal.

TL;DR Texas A&M offered pay for play around June 2021, they could get away with it by just asking for signed autographs, this is still NIL, pay to play NIL but still NIL because that is what the Texas lege law lazyly allowed. 

Dude... you have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You keep trying to say that atm 22 class was "NIL", but Jimbo himself said that there was no NIL involved. Why would the coach lie about NIL if it was all totally legal and above board? Try using your critical thinking skills for at least a minute or two. 

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36 minutes ago, TheBryMan81 said:

No one here is contending that A&M paid that class a shit ton of money. Here's the part that people are arguing :

The Aggies were not, in fact, in on NIL months faster. NIL = endorsements. NIL = conditions that must be met to get paid (be in this commercial, do this interview, show up at this charity, tweet about my product, etc). That A&M class had none of these. It was straight up, unconditional, "I'm going to pay your uncle to get you here", cash. NIL is organized, vetted, within the rules, and above board. Aggy cash that year was under the table, hidden, lied about, and unconditional. It was not any sort of organized NIL attempt.

As to why their next class cratered in comparison, you are partially right: everybody's else NIL efforts quickly surpassed and dwarfed what aggy was trying to do. However it's your assertion that we passed their early NIL efforts that is wrong. They didn't have any early NIL efforts. They had an under the table, outside the rules, non -NIL payment system. Everybody else's legitimately organized NIL efforts quickly passed aggy's under the table bullshit, and their recruiting started to tank as a result.

I also remember being mentioned that the aggies were laying low after their historic signing class and getting called out by Saban/Lane shortly after.  Jimbo was denying "NIL" at the time (especially since it was purely bag game).  So for the class of 2023, while the aggies were still fumbling around with bag, Texas started to push out NIL.  I remember discussions then that the aggies were completely clueless and behind on NIL.

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9 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Watched Denver Harris get burned by some Temple WR for a long touchdown in the Alamodome a few weeks ago. He spent the next 20 minutes on the sideline absolutely beside himself. I thoroughly enjoyed it. 

Arch turning around to look at him on the 65 yard TD run was the chef's kiss

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16 minutes ago, linux said:

 

UT was months late on its NIL One Texas Fund was November, Pancake factory was December, are people really going to argue that A&M's disorganized booster led NIL was not really NIL? A) This is a waste of time argument B) nobody absolutely nobody not the NCAA not the courts not even Saban said it was illegal.

TL;DR Texas A&M offered pay for play around June 2021, they could get away with it by just asking for signed autographs, this is still NIL, pay to play NIL but still NIL because that is what the Texas lege law lazyly allowed. 

Sorry everybody, but I guess I'll try one more time.

The simplest difference between UTs legal NIL efforts through Texas One Fund and aggy's non NIL pay for play is contracts.

The reason why it took until November for Texas One Fund to get released is that it takes a long time for something that massive to get pitched, organized, funded, vetted through lawyers to ensure it met State law, vetted through compliance to ensure it met NCAA rules, get launched, get basic contracts written up, get those vetted, and then get them signed. A&M said, "Nah, fuck all that". UTs Texas One Fund was not "months late". It was actually what you are trying to argue about A&M.... Texas One Fund was the earliest and first of it's kind. It was not "months late" compared to anyone or any other NIL initiative, certainly not A&M.

So yes, I will argue the notion that "A&M's disorganized booster led NIL was not really NIL". Because unless they started organizing a year before NIL was announced, there is no way they went through the proper steps in time to ensure it was legal. 

Texas athletes signed legal contracts in relation to their NIL, reported that income, paid taxes on that income, etc.

I would be confident in stating that A&M athletes in the 2022 class did not sign contracts for those payments, did not report it, did not pay taxes on it, etc. As mentioned above, if everything was on the up and up and it was legal because "that's what the Texas lege lazyly allowed", then why would Jimbo publicly and vehemently deny that it was NIL? If it was legal, it would've been in his best interest to say "Yup! We have the best and earliest NIL and it's all vetted and legal! Come get paid at A&M!" But he had to lie about it because it was not vetted and legal. And therefore it was not legal NIL. And A&M was certainly not first in the NIL race.

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Lets meet in the middle, have Jimbo say it was not NIL under oath and I will agree with you guys that they did not even bother to organize even an authograph session. That it was illegal bagmen boosters. Remember this autograph session could have happened 8 months later... during their losing season.

Until he says that under oath I would just call him a weasel half liar and not really put much stock in his assertions.

If this discussion is finally put to end by calling it "pay to win wire transfers with a veneer of plausible deniability because of autograph signings making it legal" then I swear I would do it, I grow really tired of this discussion.

For the record I do think UT leads the nation in corporate NIL by a country mile. 0% of aggie NIL is clean NIL there is no Fansville comercials there is no nothing, it is all 100% pay to play.

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1 minute ago, linux said:

Lets meet in the middle, have Jimbo say it was not NIL under oath and I will agree with you guys that they did not even bother to organize even an authograph session. That it was legally bagmen boosters. Remember this session could have happened 8 months later... during their losing season.

Until he says that under oath I would just call him a weasel half liar and not really put much stock in his assertions.

If this discussion is finally put to end by calling it "pay to win wire transfers with a veneer of plausible deniability because of autograph signings making it legal" then I swear I would do it, I grow really tired of this discussion.

For the record I do think UT leads the nation in corporate NIL by a country mile. 0% of aggie NIL is clean NIL there is no Fansville comercials there is no nothing, it is all 100% pay to play.

I think you should quit while you're behind.

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1 minute ago, linux said:

Lets meet in the middle, have Jimbo say it was not NIL under oath and I will agree with you guys that they did not even bother to organize even an authograph session. That it was illegal bagmen boosters. Remember this autograph session could have happened 8 months later... during their losing season.

Until he says that under oath I would just call him a weasel half liar and not really put much stock in his assertions.

If this discussion is finally put to end by calling it "pay to win wire transfers with a veneer of plausible deniability because of autograph signings making it legal" then I swear I would do it, I grow really tired of this discussion.

For the record I do think UT leads the nation in corporate NIL by a country mile. 0% of aggie NIL is clean NIL there is no Fansville comercials there is no nothing, it is all 100% pay to play.

Holy fuck man. Just shut the fuck up. You’re completely wrong. There is literally videos of him saying this you dumb mother fucker

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39 minutes ago, linux said:

It was ugly NIL it was pay for play NIL but it is what it is nowadays, they got money wired to them, bagmen of yore could only transfer a car a mcdonalds bag of cash, this created a limit on the transactions and mid 5 figures were enough to get a player signed, few schools could offer more for that same reason. On June 2021 A&M could come to recruits and tell them we will WIRE you 6-7 figures a YEAR, if you sign with us, all you have to do is sign autographs. This is the only reason for their 2022 class they were early movers. (also I don't want to debate exact numbers gotcha if they are an order of magnitude wrong I don't give a shit)

Was it clean? no, was it pay to play? yes, was it legal? according to state law yes because nobody could prove it was pay to play there was no smoking gun to be found because it was SO EASY to half ass an autograph session, why are people so obsessed about semantics? I have no idea.

UT was months late on its NIL One Texas Fund was November, Pancake factory was December, are people really going to argue that A&M's disorganized booster led NIL was not really NIL? A) This is a waste of time argument B) nobody absolutely nobody not the NCAA not the courts not even Saban said it was illegal.

TL;DR Texas A&M offered pay for play around June 2021, they could get away with it by just asking for signed autographs, this is still NIL, pay to play NIL but still NIL because that is what the Texas lege law lazyly allowed. 

Dafuq?   I’m assuming you are trying to be funny through sarcasm.  

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Hunter fucking erb has an agent?  Does that agency get 10% of fuckall?  Or even better, does that mean that aggy is on the hook to actually pay him a decent amount for some appearances?

 

also, it seems statistically impossible for all of these 2022 players to bust so badly.  Like you couldn’t pick highly rated busts at the clip jimbo did here and their money paid dearly for (in 2022 terms). It’s almost like that place ruins people.  Someone should write a white paper on it.  That’s not bad luck. It’s something else. 

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It is time to send linux elsewhere. He’s a worthless piece of shit. He’s actively trying to shit on NIL generally and that of NIL locally. He’s pumping misinformation and he’s antagonistic. I’m negging him without consideration until he leaves or gets crowdsourced.  He’s a worthless piece of shit and he’s actively working against this board. 

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19 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

also, it seems statistically impossible for all of these 2022 players to bust so badly.  Like you couldn’t pick highly rated busts at the clip jimbo did here and their money paid dearly for (in 2022 terms). It’s almost like that place ruins people.  Someone should write a white paper on it.  That’s not bad luck. It’s something else. 

There must be something in the water in College Station.

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31 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Hunter fucking erb has an agent?  Does that agency get 10% of fuckall?  Or even better, does that mean that aggy is on the hook to actually pay him a decent amount for some appearances?

 

also, it seems statistically impossible for all of these 2022 players to bust so badly.  Like you couldn’t pick highly rated busts at the clip jimbo did here and their money paid dearly for (in 2022 terms). It’s almost like that place ruins people.  Someone should write a white paper on it.  That’s not bad luck. It’s something else. 

Each failure is not independent. They have common causal factors: (1) Jimbo's well-known penchant for indifferent offensive line play; (2) a comically stale offensive identity; (3) liberal inclusion of character risks; (4) poor roster management; (5) prison-like campus architecture; (6) teenagers deposited into a culture resistant to, shall we say, normality; and (7) possibly traumatized by a jizz jar.

Still, the 2022 class did collapse like a bonfire. It's actually impressive in its own fucked up way.

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7 minutes ago, Tired Horn said:

Each failure is not independent. They have common causal factors: (1) Jimbo's well-known penchant for indifferent offensive line play; (2) a comically stale offensive identity; (3) liberal inclusion of character risks; (4) poor roster management; (5) prison-like campus architecture; (6) teenagers deposited into a culture resistant to, shall we say, normality; and (7) possibly traumatized by a jizz jar.

Still, the 2022 class did collapse like a bonfire. It's actually impressive in its own fucked up way.

But apparently all that is really durable, because how many have transferred out and found success?  Nature/nurture argument?  Self selecting cohort on the front side?

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