AP Top 25

[clapclapclap 9000]

I see Kurt Bowels is once again using the Ivan Maisel Method:  Vote the team you cover as low as you think you can get away with, to virtue signal how oh so independent you are. 

Scumbag is still a scumbag.

[Valmy77 13567]

31 minutes ago, NowThis said:

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

No. Fuck Baylor.

[Pato del Muerto 53331]

I wonder what happens if Georgia beats LSU in the seccg and uga, LSU, and either auburn or Alabama all have 1 loss. 

[El Diablo 4232]

I know this isn't the CFP thread but it's hard to avoid talking about it when you're talking about team rankings even if it is a poll and not from the committee. All that to say the CFP folks have pulled some surprises out of their asses before and the entire thing is to generate drama and viewers and clicks etc... It's reality TV. I think 'Bama is getting left out this year though it may not happen until the very last weeks big reveal. JMHO.

[orangecat92 306]

Ok. Here is the fun scenario.  Bama loses to auburn, they both have 2 losses, so they’re both out.  LSU loses to Georgia in sec champ. Game, kind of a sloppy game by both teams.  One of those teams is in, right? But meanwhile Minnesota, Baylor, and Clemson go undefeated and look really good.  Who gets in, OSU, who lost to Minnesota, or LSU, who lost to a big underdog Georgia.

the answer is LSU, cuz they played a tougher schedule, braved the 120 degree locker room in Austin, and they had the heat cramps to prove it.  Yes! 

[Chet Steadman 940]

55 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:

Nobody has beaten anyone in this shit conference.  That's the point.  But has baylor even played anyone who has a winning record?  BTW Fuck baylor.

College football started playing gamesin August.  You should probably start watching before posting in CFB forums.  

[atomheartbevo 90546]

13 minutes ago, orangecat92 said:

Ok. Here is the fun scenario.  Bama loses to auburn, they both have 2 losses, so they’re both out.  LSU loses to Georgia in sec champ. Game, kind of a sloppy game by both teams.  One of those teams is in, right? But meanwhile Minnesota, Baylor, and Clemson go undefeated and look really good.  Who gets in, OSU, who lost to Minnesota, or LSU, who lost to a big underdog Georgia.

the answer is LSU, cuz they played a tougher schedule, braved the 120 degree locker room in Austin, and they had the heat cramps to prove it.  Yes! 

I know you're joking around, but Minnesota, Baylor, Clemson get in, along with Georgia.  They wouldn't leave out one-loss SEC champ Georgia in favor of LSU, unless they are trolls who want to see Georgia secede again.

But it's a moot point, Baylor ain't winning out.

Edited November 11, 2019 by atomheartbevo

[texifornia 58786]

1 hour ago, NowThis said:

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

Absolutely fucking not. It's fucking Baylor. 

[orangecat92 306]

I think the biggest question for Saturday is which way do the refs roll?  Baylor vs. ou.  Only 2 spots apart in the polls.  The refs could easily decide the game.   

[The_Great_Hornsby 3586]

3 minutes ago, orangecat92 said:

I think the biggest question for Saturday is which way do the refs roll?  Baylor vs. ou.  Only 2 spots apart in the polls.  The refs could easily decide the game.   

OU because Baylor is ass my dude

[Nueces River Rat 5739]

33 minutes ago, orangecat92 said:

I think the biggest question for Saturday is which way do the refs roll?  Baylor vs. ou.  Only 2 spots apart in the polls.  The refs could easily decide the game.   

ISU came very close to making it an easy choice.  

[Zavala 1384]

2 hours ago, El Diablo said:

Take a look around the conference. Who has ANYONE beaten? I don't follow SMU, who did they beat?

Nobody. Baylor has at least beat Oklahoma State and Kansas State. It's shit, but the big 12 is still better than AAC.

[Zavala 1384]

55 minutes ago, orangecat92 said:

I think the biggest question for Saturday is which way do the refs roll?  Baylor vs. ou.  Only 2 spots apart in the polls.  The refs could easily decide the game.   

Hopefully they fuck over Baylor. That's our only chance.

[Zavala 1384]

1 hour ago, Chet Steadman said:

College football started playing gamesin August.  You should probably start watching before posting in CFB forums.  

Big 12 is laughable.

Baylor OOC is SFA, UTSA, and Rice.

Chokelahoma played UCLA and Houston, so it wasn't as bad. They tried.

Who exactly in the big12 has a big OOC win?

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

the only thing that will get the playoff expanded to 8 faster than a year like 2008 would be a year with Minnesota and Baylor both in and Alabama and Ohio State are out

[BearSchlong 8231]

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

I think if Baylor goes 13-0 we've got bigger fish to fry, like the prospect of human extinction as a mammoth asteroid takes aim at mother Earth.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 hour ago, BearSchlong said:

12 hours ago, NowThis said:

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

I think if Baylor goes 13-0 we've got bigger fish to fry, like the prospect of human extinction as a mammoth asteroid takes aim at mother Earth.

that would be preferable 

[El Diablo 4232]

1 hour ago, BearSchlong said:

12 hours ago, NowThis said:

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

I think if Baylor goes 13-0 we've got bigger fish to fry, like the prospect of human extinction as a mammoth asteroid takes aim at mother Earth.

Waco has a monument to dead mammoths. Try again.

[NowThis 931]

Baylor has a shot vs. OU. See recent history at Waco

2017, Baylor went 1-11 that year, the only win vs. 1-11 Kansas!  Baylor lost at home to OU 49-41.

2015 Baylor a very good 10-3 , lost to 11-2 OU  44-34

2013 Baylor 11-2 beat an 11-2 OU team 41-12 !  Damn. UT hasn't beaten OU that bad since VY or ever maybe.

2011 Baylor 10-3 beat 10-3 OU 45-38

 

[HornsOverIthaca 2339]

49 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

Waco has a monument to dead mammoths. Try again.

I had no idea that lilith fair went to Waco.

[El Diablo 4232]

21 minutes ago, HornsOverIthaca said:

I had no idea that lilith fair went to Waco.

It was a big hairy deal.

[Trey3216 15450]

Just now, El Diablo said:

It was a big hairy deal.

Yep.  Stepped into the river.   Flood came.  Buried under mud.  Very sad  

[El Diablo 4232]

3 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Yep.  Stepped into the river.   Flood came.  Buried under mud.  Very sad  

Yeah. terrible thing. Though I guess that if the earth is ever blown to smithereens those chunks of bone could find their way into the cosmos and become a mammoth asteroid. So, there's a chance.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 hour ago, NowThis said:

beat an 11-2 OU team 41-12 !  Damn. UT hasn't beaten OU that bad since VY or ever maybe.

you don't math good

or history, I guess

Edited November 11, 2019 by SwanderedTalent

[Jive Turkey 12930]

Let’s say LSU, Ohio State, and Clemson all win out. They’re in. 
 

OU, Oregon, and Bama also win out. 
 

Who gets the fourth spot? Bama won’t be a conference champ but they will have beaten Auburn, who beat Oregon. OU will be a conference champ, but they easily have the worst loss. 

[alincoln 2390]

2 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

Let’s say LSU, Ohio State, and Clemson all win out. They’re in. 
 

OU, Oregon, and Bama also win out. 
 

Who gets the fourth spot? Bama won’t be a conference champ but they will have beaten Auburn, who beat Oregon. OU will be a conference champ, but they easily have the worst loss. 

538's playoff predictor says OU (65%) over Oregon (31%) and Alabama (3%) in that situation.  A one loss non-division champ whose best and only Top-25 win is against a 3 or more likely 4 loss Auburn should not get in over a 1-loss Power 5 conference champion.  College football would implode if Alabama got in under those circumstances.  

[alincoln 2390]

Bama getting into the playoff would send the message that quality of losses and the entirely subjective "eye test" are more important than quality of wins, conference division titles and conference championships.  I do think that Bama getting in in that situation would guarantee an early expansion of the playoff to 8 or the Big 12 and PAC 10 would threaten to drop out of the playoff structure. The Big 10 and Rose Bowl would follow along with the PAC 10 to isolate the SEC and the NCAA.

[jimmyjazz 46976]

16 hours ago, Moby Ric said:

LOL No fucking way Baylor should be over #20 if even that.  They have beaten nobody.  SMU should be higher than baylor, they would beat them handily.

Wut?  Baylor has played a harder schedule than SMU.

Sagarin has Baylor at #14, seems about right.

[Neonmoon 38130]

16 hours ago, NowThis said:

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

Baylor is a shit institution that covered up multiple rapes and assualts against women because they wanted to be good at Football. Not only did they foster a culture of sexual assualt by knowingly bringing in predators, they shamed any person who came forward, covered it up, denied it, and continue to deny it even after mountains of evidence and witnesses have confirmed it. Even the local police and judges were in on the whole thing. I wouldn't root for Baylor if doing so would guarantee Texas a national championship because I'm not a piece of shit. There are more important things in life than a silly game. I hope a large tornado destroys that garbage diploma mill. 

If you anyone roots for Baylor, 

Edited November 11, 2019 by Neonmoon

[TXSooner518 2455]

Let’s say LSU, Ohio State, and Clemson all win out. They’re in. 

 

OU, Oregon, and Bama also win out. 

 

Who gets the fourth spot? Bama won’t be a conference champ but they will have beaten Auburn, who beat Oregon. OU will be a conference champ, but they easily have the worst loss. 

 

Close between OU and Oregon. Keep in mind by then the loss comparison could easily be Oregon lost neutral to 8-4 Auburn and OU lost road to 9-3 Kansas State so not “easily” the worst loss unless you just mean as compared between OU and Bama. Also possible by then that OU has 4 wins over teams in final rankings (Texas, OSU, Baylor, title game) and Bama and Oregon have one each (Auburn and Utah).

[notre dame joe 202]

3 hours ago, alincoln said:

Bama getting into the playoff would send the message that quality of losses and the entirely subjective "eye test" are more important than quality of wins, conference division titles and conference championships.  I do think that Bama getting in in that situation would guarantee an early expansion of the playoff to 8 or the Big 12 and PAC 10 would threaten to drop out of the playoff structure. The Big 10 and Rose Bowl would follow along with the PAC 10 to isolate the SEC and the NCAA.

Like the last time it happened?

[alincoln 2390]

2 minutes ago, notre dame joe said:

Like the last time it happened?

When did a one-loss Power 5 conference champ get left out of the playoff in favor of a one-loss division runner-up?

[texaslong 678]

6 minutes ago, alincoln said:

When did a one-loss Power 5 conference champ get left out of the playoff in favor of a one-loss division runner-up?

2014 TCU? 

[alincoln 2390]

2 minutes ago, texaslong said:

2014 TCU? 

Nope.  Everyone who got in that year won their conference.  The controversy was that Ohio State passed them after crushing Wisconsin in the Big 10 championship.

[texaslong 678]

3 minutes ago, alincoln said:

Nope.  Everyone who got in that year won their conference.  The controversy was that Ohio State passed them after crushing Wisconsin in the Big 10 championship.

You're right. I still think ou has another loss in them. If it comes down to Oregon and Alabama, I think they give the nod to Bama. 

Edited November 11, 2019 by texaslong

[Thetexashammer 1062]

20 hours ago, NowThis said:

Suppose Baylor goes 13-0, knocks off Bama, would Surly approve?

Suppose 'i started shitting bars of gold and Emily Ratajkowski wants to be my sex slave......

[hookem48 4808]

4 hours ago, alincoln said:

Bama getting into the playoff would send the message that quality of losses and the entirely subjective "eye test" are more important than quality of wins, conference division titles and conference championships.  I do think that Bama getting in in that situation would guarantee an early expansion of the playoff to 8 or the Big 12 and PAC 10 would threaten to drop out of the playoff structure. The Big 10 and Rose Bowl would follow along with the PAC 10 to isolate the SEC and the NCAA.

thought the whole purpose of the committee was to give this the eye test 

[El Diablo 4232]

if by "eye test" you mean playing favorites, then yes, that's the purpose of the committee.

I think anyone who has watched this play out over the last few years can conclude that if the BCS formula was just applied to arrive at FOUR teams instead of the 2 that it was used for then we'd probably be pretty dang close to getting the 'best" teams into a playoff. jmho, of course. It might exclude some conference champions too I guess, I'd have to go back and look at it's results before it was dropped.

edit: of course at least one conference would be kept out with only 4 teams in. duh.

Edited November 11, 2019 by El Diablo

[alincoln 2390]

12 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

thought the whole purpose of the committee was to give this the eye test 

The whole purpose was to be able to ignore the computers.

[alincoln 2390]

Interestingly, the BCS would have chosen the exact four teams each season.  

[hookem48 4808]

1 minute ago, El Diablo said:

if by "eye test" you mean playing favorites, then yes, that's the purpose of the committee.

I think anyone who has watched this play out over the last few years can conclude that if the BCS formula was just applied to arrive at FOUR teams instead of the 2 that it was used for then we'd probably be pretty dang close to getting the 'best" teams into a playoff. jmho, of course. It might exclude some conference champions too I guess, I'd have to go back and look at it's results before it was dropped.

they've run the BCS formula as close as they can and it's been pretty much the same as the committee has come up with, at least I know the year everyone bitches about Bama making it in was 

[hookem48 4808]

3 minutes ago, alincoln said:

The whole purpose was to be able to ignore the computers.

so give it the eye test

[alincoln 2390]

1 minute ago, hookem48 said:

so give it the eye test

I think it is to enforce unwritten agreements among the conferences to address situations exactly like the one posited on this thread (i.e., Power 5 conference champs must get the nod over non-conference champs regardless of what the computers say).

[El Diablo 4232]

It kind of begs the question, what do people want to see? A tournament of champions or the 4 best teams. 

[notre dame joe 202]

8 hours ago, alincoln said:

Interestingly, the BCS would have chosen the exact four teams each season.  

The first 3 teams are usually pretty obvious even if your using the Craigslist poll.  For four, the computers love the quality losses. Those losses are usually on teams who regularly schedule the top teams.  So Bama will usually have a loss a lot better than UCF.

[Iceman 2956]

11 hours ago, El Diablo said:

It kind of begs the question, what do people want to see? A tournament of champions or the 4 best teams. 

Best teams win their conference.  Either that or play the fucking final 4 in September.

[El Diablo 4232]

24 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Best teams win their conference.  Either that or play the fucking final 4 in September.

That's one vote for tournament of champions.

[Iceman 2956]

3 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

That's one vote for tournament of champions.

And against the fucking charade of the ‘eyetest.’  See also- ‘ Can we has 3 SEC teams and Clempsom?’

Stop rewarding the bullshit scheduling of the SEC.  no more November cupcakes/ directional schools/ built in byes.  Standardize the scheduling for 9 conference games.

Edited November 12, 2019 by Iceman

[El Diablo 4232]

17 minutes ago, Iceman said:

And against the fucking charade of the ‘eyetest.’  See also- ‘ Can we has 3 SEC teams and Clempsom?’

Stop rewarding the bullshit scheduling of the SEC.  no more November cupcakes/ directional schools/ built in byes.  Standardize the scheduling for 9 conference games.

Why you vote the way you do is your own business. The committee is there, presumbably, to normalize for the inconsistencies among the various conferences. 

What year have you disagreed with their final four?

[Iceman 2956]

Normalize?  Lolz

 

they do the bidding of the establishment. . There is but one purpose for a ‘committee.’

Edited November 12, 2019 by Iceman