Is the tide turning?

[wildcat09 29346]

27 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

 

 

The votes you're talking about won't swing. Your first post lists the possible negatives of a Dem candidate without even a comparison to the known negatives of the GOP in office. It reflects just how badly you don't want to consider changing your vote.

Your second post represents your last absurd bastion in holding on to Trump: The Dems are just too insulting to we polite GOPs. Your side calls the Clintons murderers, the Obamas closet Muslim terrorists, and Obama himself the most divisive president in history.

Don't look now or for the last 30 years, but your political party is based on hateful lies and just plain hate.

You're doing everything you can to run from the truth of the last sentence in the post that hurts your feelings and makes befriending you difficult:

You voted for him because you wanted to.  You were not forced.  

 

It's funny how all of the GOP voters who claim they're forced to the right to vote GOP because Dems are rude never find themselves being forced back towards the left by all of the conservative arsonists, murderers, and mass shooters who are literally quoting Trump.

[horn4life 3759]

Want to put this up again so that it's clear that the GOP has a hatred for the well educated. They blame liberal professors who choose teaching over simply the pursuit of money, for not teaching that the endless pursuit of money is what their students should be learning.

I've been saying for a while you don't need to be ignorant to embrace the GOP these days, but it certainly helps! It has to be frustrating having a college educated person explaining the stupidity of a point of view.

[UTDD 362]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

I think the tide is turning as far as driving people out to vote against him.  The true Trumpkins won't stop clinging to Trump, but he's definitely driving away a lot of "anybody but Hillary" voters, and I'm seeing it within my own family and friends - people who are pissed about El Paso and some of the other stuff, and now he's pissing off Jews .I was not paying attention to the news much for the past 24 hours, but I saw my Facebook feed blow up with a shitload of friends/relatives getting really fucking pissed off over the Jewish stuff.  Granted, I have quite a few Jewish friends and some family members, so it's anecdotal - many may not notice too much anger if they don't have Jewish friends and family.

 

Anecdotally I am seeing a similar sentiment of many I know in the "anyone but Hillary voters" that gave Trump a chance as the unknown outsider now realizing that Trump was a huge mistake.  I am really curious how it translates in 2020.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 hours ago, Parliament said:

I say this not as a Conservative, or even as a spokesman for Conservatism, but simply as an observer.  If the platforms of the Democrats running for President are to be taken at face value, many Conservatives and moderates will vote for President Trump for the same reason we did last time: fear of Socialism.

That said, candidates for each party always hafta go extreme in the primaries, and all the dumb stuff you hear Warren, Sanders, etc saying they'd disavow after being elected.  Every President, from both sides, always does it.  Regardless, the fear is real.  

what, specifically, do you fear in their platforms because of socialism? 

[wildcat09 29346]

10 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

what, specifically, do you fear in their platforms because of socialism? 

Brown people having access to a doctor.

[David Dennison 18850]

Americans don't know what socialism is, so there's that.

[Biff Tannen 45665]

3 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Americans don't know what socialism is, so there's that.

This is accurate.

[Mo Horn 8831]

This is the correct answer to any question about the tide turning, or anything else when it comes to the cult of Trump. 

 

[jimmyjazz 45888]

11 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Americans don't know what socialism is, so there's that.

Well, a majority of Americans don't know what socialism, but we're not all that stupid.

[F250 28764]

3 hours ago, RomaVicta said:

The votes you're talking about won't swing. Your first post lists the possible negatives of a Dem candidate without even a comparison to the known negatives of the GOP in office. It reflects just how badly you don't want to consider changing your vote.

Excellent point. Republicans are criticizing some of the more progressive candidates like Warren who is rolling out a plan for economic patriotism on top of her populist campaign. Which recieved praise from Fox News Soy Boy Tucker Carlson. Bernie also has been proudly pushing a populist message.

The Republican criticism of the "far left" candidates would have some merit if the Republicans were pushing free market capitalism but their not. They are literally governing under the banner of economic nationalism on top of populism.

The Republicans are practicing a bizarre form of economic populism and the progressive candidates on the Dem side are advocating (not practicing) something similar from the left.

If a Republican wants to criticize Warren or Sanders they need to explain why their economic populism is better. They cannot argue from a Pro-Capitalist position because they are not the party of capitalism. The fucking centrist Democrats would be the biggest advocates of Capitalism in our current political environment.

Personally, if I had to choose between Trump and Warren or Bernie I would choose the Progressive candidate. At least their plan isn't designed to transfer wealth to corporations and the top 1%. I mean if I have to choose between wealth transfers, I'm not going to help out the richest fuckers in the world.

 

[David Dennison 18850]

 

[Guest Lobo]

They were never compelled to vote for the popular vote winner at their Electoral College meeting, I mean compelled under threat of civil or criminal action.  A Texas EC voter thought very long and hard about it until the very last minute.  The only threat hung over him was that he'd be excommunicated from the RPT and RNC, and he just needs those connections for business.  He didn't give much of a shit about upsetting Trump.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

3 hours ago, David Dennison said:

Americans don't know what socialism is, so there's that.

Socialism is what the GOP, Rush and Fox tell them it is.  

[Judge Roybeanbag 11819]

52 minutes ago, F250 said:

 

Personally, if I had to choose between Trump and Warren or Bernie I would choose the Progressive candidate. At least their plan isn't designed to transfer wealth to corporations and the top 1%. I mean if I have to choose between wealth transfers, I'm not going to help out the richest fuckers in the world.

 

But, but, they are the job creators!  They are the fuel for the whole economy!  Without them we'd have no jobs!  

[Bozo_Casanova 26437]

7 hours ago, Chult86 said:

As much as the thought of a second Trump term worries me, it seems like in the last three to four weeks momentum has greatly shifted away from that outcome. The economy slowing, trade war losing, gun violence AGAIN, and other things all seemingly being potentially too much for Trump to shrug off. Ya, ya, ya... queue the "I'd like to see ol Donny Trump wriggle his way out of this!", but it definitely feels like there may be a light at the end of the tunnel for us waiting out this administration.

Are some Trump supporters actually starting to question if this really is the best direction for the country, or is this just wishful thinking?

Um, let me tell you a story:
 

On 9/23/2018 at 7:52 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

A few days before New Years 2015 I was at a fancy open bar holiday party in Preston Hollow and found myself in conversation with some big money Republican donors who had supported Dan Branch and were beside themselves about how crooked Ken Paxton was and what it meant to have a crook for a state attorney general.

 

So I said “wait, are you saying you supported Sam Houston (the Dem nominee) in the general?”

 

There was a long pause and one said, “No, but I only gave the Paxton campaign $100.”

 

 

 

[JBJ 3654]

8 minutes ago, Lobo said:

They were never compelled to vote for the popular vote winner at their Electoral College meeting, I mean compelled under threat of civil or criminal action.  A Texas EC voter thought very long and hard about it until the very last minute.  The only threat hung over him was that he'd be excommunicated from the RPT and RNC, and he just needs those connections for business.  He didn't give much of a shit about upsetting Trump.  

You are right about Texas, but many states have laws against faithless votes.

Some states even choose bipartisan electors before voting - which I suppose will be something that will need to change.

[JimmyJames 12271]

7 hours ago, horn4life said:

Want to put this up again so that it's clear that the GOP has a hatred for the well educated. They blame liberal professors who choose teaching over simply the pursuit of money, for not teaching that the endless pursuit of money is what their students should be learning.

I've been saying for a while you don't need to be ignorant to embrace the GOP these days, but it certainly helps! It has to be frustrating having a college educated person explaining the stupidity of a point of view.

Example number 5078 as to why the Republican Party a/k/a the trump cult is a compilation of complete idiots, racists and senile olds. 53 percent viewed higher eduction as a positive in 2012, now under trump its a 59 percent negative. The dem range was 67-72 percent positive the entire same time.

Simply ridiculous that republican/trump party cult is. They should all be completely ignored. Don’t give me this reach out to them bullshit. Fuck them. They are hopeless. 

[jimmyjazz 45888]

22 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Don’t give me this reach out to them bullshit. Fuck them. They are hopeless. 

To put a finer point on it, their anti-intellectualism is part and parcel of their hopelessness.  They cannot be reached because they cannot be reasoned with.  An intelligent, educated person will consider new, conflicting information and occasionally change their minds.  A Trumpkin is incapable of doing so.

[Chult86 335]

Don't get me wrong, I still have people that are (older) friends of friends that I want to call out their hypocrisy so badly, but at best, it would be a pyrrhic victory.

Examples such as:

"These mass shooters better hope they don't start shooting someplace where I am, I have my CCL, and I will put a stop to any attempts at mass murder"

Narrator: Bullshit. You would run and hide for cover like everyone else, pulling out a pistol to have a firefight with someone wielding an AR isn't going to go well for you.

"The recession won't matter to me! I was smart and lived below my means for years, anyone hurt by the recession basically deserves it."

Narrator: Seeing the constant stream of "I got mine, fuck you and yours" get tiring.

 

I'm an older millennial, but my wife and I have both figured out that it's going to be up to Gen X/Millennials to fix the world. It feels like we are seeing the last vestiges of Boomer political power. I honestly can count on both hands the amount of Trump supporters in my age group that I know. If Gen X/Millennials actually get out to vote, it should be a landslide Dem victory next election.

[Guest Lobo]

My only point was for the Democrats to quit using the word "recession" as if it's a binary solution to the Trump Question.  There are a lot of signs that say there will not technically be two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth between now and the general election.  Possibly Q2 & Q3, but that takes you through September of 2020.  Most people will have their mind made up one way or the other by then, as that Q3 GDP report won't come out until Mid-October.  Now, recessions do tend to hit key swing states more than others as of the last half century so maybe there's something to that.  But those reports come out around Columbus Day, you're not gonna see a big swing one way or the other in votes because we then technically hit a recession.  Again, I get what you're saying at a macro level, a cool-down of the economy he thinks he invented in the shower one day.  BUt you have to admit, the media has not shut the fuck about the "recession" the last few months.  Now we know his dumbass voters don't know the technical definition of one, but there are actually some voters in key places that aren't committed between now and Halloween that will look at this shitshow and realize, "Well, I don't like him...but technically we're not in the recession I keep being told we are in."  Yeah, yeah...you don't want/need those dumbass voters in the Rust Belt.  There are people who wait to see what's what until Election Day.  Sooner you arrogant asses realize that, the better off you'll be in usurping Admiral Asshat.  

[Born to Run 6569]

To put a finer point on it, their anti-intellectualism is part and parcel of their hopelessness.  They cannot be reached because they cannot be reasoned with.  An intelligent, educated person will consider new, conflicting information and occasionally change their minds.  A Trumpkin is incapable of doing so.

Good qualities in a person: compassion, empathy, open-mindedness, use of reason and logic, willingness to shift perspective when given new information, constant self evaluation for blind spots and self education.

The rubes gleefully reject all of these things. There is no starting point for any dialogue. As someone with many Trumpers as friends and family- they are like keys dropped in lava. They are gone.

They will gleefully follow Trump off the cliff.

[Born to Run 6569]

Don't get me wrong, I still have people that are (older) friends of friends that I want to call out their hypocrisy so badly, but at best, it would be a pyrrhic victory.
Examples such as:
"These mass shooters better hope they don't start shooting someplace where I am, I have my CCL, and I will put a stop to any attempts at mass murder"
Narrator: Bullshit. You would run and hide for cover like everyone else, pulling out a pistol to have a firefight with someone wielding an AR isn't going to go well for you.
"The recession won't matter to me! I was smart and lived below my means for years, anyone hurt by the recession basically deserves it."
Narrator: Seeing the constant stream of "I got mine, fuck you and yours" get tiring.
 
I'm an older millennial, but my wife and I have both figured out that it's going to be up to Gen X/Millennials to fix the world. It feels like we are seeing the last vestiges of Boomer political power. I honestly can count on both hands the amount of Trump supporters in my age group that I know. If Gen X/Millennials actually get out to vote, it should be a landslide Dem victory next election.

There is a whole fuck load of younger trump voters, single issue voters and your Tex Ag, Katy dwelling hunter types who ignore politics largely then vote straight R.

Lots of decent people on some level who have no clue and wouldn't know where to begin if they wanted to become more informed.
Work 50 hrs a week, mow that big ass yard wash the financed F250 and feed three kids while keeping Charlene happy and getting drunk at the lease on the weekend IS a fulltime gig.

[Helobious 9450]

He'll win again, very easily. He'll lose the popular vote by a wider margin this time, and he'll lose at least one of those rust belt states he won in 2016. But Florida is a republican stronghold now (both senators, and the governor) so he's already a lock for Texas, Florida, Arizona, and Ohio. Don't see a Democrat overcoming those losses. 

[Js1 85276]

He’s not a lock for Arizona. Did you take a fastball to the noggin? 

[UpperWestside 6161]

9 hours ago, UTDD said:

Anecdotally I am seeing a similar sentiment of many I know in the "anyone but Hillary voters" that gave Trump a chance as the unknown outsider now realizing that Trump was a huge mistake.  I am really curious how it translates in 2020.

It translates to that morbidly obese potato getting his ass trounced in the popular vote and the electoral college. 

[UpperWestside 6161]

33 minutes ago, Helobious said:

He'll win again, very easily. He'll lose the popular vote by a wider margin this time, and he'll lose at least one of those rust belt states he won in 2016. But Florida is a republican stronghold now (both senators, and the governor) so he's already a lock for Texas, Florida, Arizona, and Ohio. Don't see a Democrat overcoming those losses. 

I would venture to say that he loses Arizona and possibly Ohio once the unemployment rises to a level where people are taking handouts just for their family to survive.

This election can be about so many shitty things he has done. The one thing that will cause even a functionally retarded Trumpkin to walk away is taking away their paycheck. Money talks and I know you know that. 

Edited August 22, 2019 by UpperWestside

[Brandywine 1316]

I’m starting to think Trump won’t get re-elected because people will be exhausted and won’t be able to handle another 4 years of all of this craziness.

[TexArcher 37767]

13 hours ago, Chult86 said:

Are some Trump supporters actually starting to question if this really is the best direction for the country, or is this just wishful thinking?

All the reasons you listed are correct.

The problem is that most Trump supporters are stupid and misinformed.  They think we're winning the trade war because China is paying the tariffs.  They think gun violence happens because of violent video games and that evil black hip hop music.  And they either have no idea that the economy is slowing or they think it's slowing because the fake liberal news is scaring people to try to cause a recession to try to make Trump lose the election.  Basically, these people think whatever Fox News and Trump tell them to think.  This is 80-90% of his base.

The other 10-20% are smarter than this.  But they will continue to support Trump because he lowered their taxes and that is literally the only thing they care about.  Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everybody else.  More money for them.

These groups are equally unsalvageable and irredeemable.

Trump's approval rating is still, somehow, around 40%, and they will never turn on him.  And he also has the same silent voting bloc that he had leading up to the last election: people who won't answer a polling call and don't talk about it at work but who will show up and vote for him.

Cliff Notes: should people be turning on him?  Absolutely.  Are they?  Maybe a few.  But his "base" isn't going anywhere and it's bigger than any rational Americans would like to admit.  Yes, almost half of all adult Americans are stupid or greedy beyond belief.  The foreign stereotypes about us are pretty spot on.

[Thetexashammer 1062]

14 hours ago, Parliament said:

I say this not as a Conservative, or even as a spokesman for Conservatism, but simply as an observer.  If the platforms of the Democrats running for President are to be taken at face value, many Conservatives and moderates will vote for President Trump for the same reason we did last time: fear of Socialism.

That said, candidates for each party always hafta go extreme in the primaries, and all the dumb stuff you hear Warren, Sanders, etc saying they'd disavow after being elected.  Every President, from both sides, always does it.  Regardless, the fear is real.  

I for one am a genuine fan of the "insult them until they vote for us" strategy. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

There is nothing more tiresome than the trump voting supporter who threatens you that he will vote for trump if you insult him. 

[Bone3421 716]

It's funny how all of the GOP voters who claim they're forced to the right to vote GOP because Dems are rude never find themselves being forced back towards the left by all of the conservative arsonists, murderers, and mass shooters who are literally quoting Trump.

Had a friend the other day say he had to vote for trump over hilary. Then said he doesnt like trump but he will hold his nose to avoid the stink and vote for him again over any democrat.....conversation was over after that

[Larry T. Spider 1746]

12 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

There is nothing more tiresome than the trump voting supporter who threatens you that he will vote for trump if you insult him. 

It’s our fault. We made them do it. But also personal responsibility. 

[wildcat09 29346]

25 minutes ago, Thetexashammer said:

I for one am a genuine fan of the "insult them until they vote for us" strategy. 

Only you, literally only you out of all of the people on this planet, are stupid enough to think that we’re stupid enough to think that there’s even a .01% chance you’d vote Dem.

[Brisketexan 105066]

All the reasons you listed are correct.
The problem is that most Trump supporters are stupid and misinformed.  They think we're winning the trade war because China is paying the tariffs.  They think gun violence happens because of violent video games and that evil black hip hop music.  And they either have no idea that the economy is slowing or they think it's slowing because the fake liberal news is scaring people to try to cause a recession to try to make Trump lose the election.  Basically, these people think whatever Fox News and Trump tell them to think.  This is 80-90% of his base.
The other 10-20% are smarter than this.  But they will continue to support Trump because he lowered their taxes and that is literally the only thing they care about.  Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everybody else.  More money for them.
These groups are equally unsalvageable and irredeemable.
Trump's approval rating is still, somehow, around 40%, and they will never turn on him.  And he also has the same silent voting bloc that he had leading up to the last election: people who won't answer a polling call and don't talk about it at work but who will show up and vote for him.
Cliff Notes: should people be turning on him?  Absolutely.  Are they?  Maybe a few.  But his "base" isn't going anywhere and it's bigger than any rational Americans would like to admit.  Yes, almost half of all adult Americans are stupid or greedy beyond belief.  The foreign stereotypes about us are pretty spot on.

This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. When any of us are thinking about electoral strategy, who to appeal to, etc, pull this post up. It is all immutable fact.

There is nothing more tiresome than the trump voting supporter who threatens you that he will vote for trump if you insult him. 

This is particularly hilarious in light of the post above. Trump voters won’t behave differently if you appeal to them with sweet talk and cookies.
Rather, that statement tells you that It wears on Trumpkins to be reminded constantly how fucking evil and stupid they are. See down, it makes them uncomfortable. And they HATE having their blissful state of ignorance and cruelty disturbed in any way. And in their intellectually feeble way, they think they this argument will her the critics to leave them alone.
Nah. Fuck em. Fuck em all. Every last one of em. Make them miserable all the goddamned time, everywhere they go. Cast them out of polite society. Shun them. Mock them. It won’t change what THEY do. They’ll support him till they die. But it might eventually help shove them under the rocks where they should have stayed.

[Revolution512 1487]

The hilarious part is the left trying to play the part of the innocent, the sympathetic, the working class party. You don’t have to lie to beat Trump. You’ve never cared about people of color. You don’t really want to pay more taxes. You’re full of shit, just like the other side. They’re just better at it than you are.

[retread 2951]

1 hour ago, Bone3421 said:

13 hours ago, wildcat09 said:

It's funny how all of the GOP voters who claim they're forced to the right to vote GOP because Dems are rude never find themselves being forced back towards the left by all of the conservative arsonists, murderers, and mass shooters who are literally quoting Trump.

Had a friend the other day say he had to vote for trump over hilary. Then said he doesnt like trump but he will hold his nose to avoid the stink and vote for him again over any democrat.....conversation was over after that

I'm sure RushFoxHannity are telling the R voters that Trump is winning in ways no other R president ever has. Don't give up now. The best is yet to come. You don't want to give up the ground we've gained, do you?

There will be a lot of people who will vote Trump for your friend's reasons in '20 too. Hopefully, the D voters turn out in force.

Edited August 22, 2019 by retread

[Ted Lange 16084]

Onboard has gone MOMO 

[Rimbo 25911]

Trump Attempts To Ease Tensions With Jewish Community By Noting He Also Would've Murdered Christ

 

 

 

...i haven't changed any in the past few months

[Bama Chick 28596]

My favorite part of the bullshit “Democrats are mean so I’m forced to vote for Trump” excuse is that they never acknowledge the fact that Trump literally thrives on insulting EVERYONE but old white people who suck his ass.

“Democrats are mean! So I’m gonna vote for the disgusting, insulting, immature orange man baby with an IQ below 70! My decision making is just that sophisticated!”

Fucking morons.

[RPM 26317]

16 hours ago, horn4life said:

Want to put this up again so that it's clear that the GOP has a hatred for the well educated. They blame liberal professors who choose teaching over simply the pursuit of money, for not teaching that the endless pursuit of money is what their students should be learning.

I've been saying for a while you don't need to be ignorant to embrace the GOP these days, but it certainly helps! It has to be frustrating having a college educated person explaining the stupidity of a point of view.

These voters remind me of the enlisted mechanic on Black Sheep Squadron that hated "College Boy" officers. Pretty good at turning wrenches. Formulating battle plans, not so much.

[Bojack 2074]

8 hours ago, Thetexashammer said:

I for one am a genuine fan of the "insult them until they vote for us" strategy. 

Aside from no more insults, what else might persuade you to vote for a Democrat?  How can we appeal to the Pepe the Frog demographic?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

21 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The brainwashing has been a bipartisan effort, that’s the problem.   You’re missing the big picture by pointing fingers at the other party.  That’s what they want you to do.  Divide and profit then divide and profit some more.  

The only way out of this is for the country to come together and reject the bullshit that’s been propagated for the last four generations.  It’s a tall order and I don’t see any evidence that we’re up for it.  I can still hope though.  It will take a special kind of leadership to get the ball rolling in the right direction. 

Divide ? hardly.  Yeah I'm pointing the finger at the party that claims to be for the little man, and minorities hasn't made their lives better. Now illegal immigrants are the cause du jour.  Yes lets add more uneducated, unskilled folks to welfare rolls. That'll make the situation better for sure.

Leadership is not promising free free free free stuff to everyone if they'll just vote for me....  You get that right ? Leadership is doing the hard things that people don't always like.

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13575]

4 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

My favorite part of the bullshit “Democrats are mean so I’m forced to vote for Trump” excuse is that they never acknowledge the fact that Trump literally thrives on insulting EVERYONE but old white people who suck his ass.

“Democrats are mean! So I’m gonna vote for the disgusting, insulting, immature orange man baby with an IQ below 70! My decision making is just that sophisticated!”

Fucking morons.

Right. It speaks to their entitlement and self-exemption from the Golden Rule (which has really been the case for decades of conservative talk radio). Trump's whole shtick has been insults since before he ran for president and Rosie O' Donnell rants. Trump had some stupid, derogatory nickname for everyone who opposed him during the campaign and his Fuck Your Feelings supporters loved it. They didn't vote for him in spite of it, but because of it. For them, a pathological liar who has mastered the complex art of schoolyard name-calling is "telling it like is" and for the painfully unfunny Comedy Roaster in the WH, any critical coverage is "very unfair". On some conscious or subconscious level with Trump and his supporters, there's some expectation they should be able to dish it out, usually poorly, without having to take it- you know, as if there's some sort of hierarchy in their mind that allows them, but prevents others. And so it's little surprise that the political tribe that came up with the term "snowflake" are putting at the top of their list of Issues for Decision 2020

 

- not the future of constitutional democracy in this country

- not the normalization of Third World-level corruption

- not a basic regard for human rights

- not the looming existensial crisis of climate change

- not the staggering debt they've already saddled their kids and grandkids with for the benefit of the Gold Toilet Class

- not even a vague idea for health care reform

 

...but their precious, all-important fee fees.

 

 

[Pam Cummings 9639]

At this point people aren't even insulting the right. We're just pointing out all of the shitty, horrible things Trump says, does, or believes in, and the right just takes it as an insult.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

20 hours ago, horn4life said:

Want to put this up again so that it's clear that the GOP has a hatred for the well educated. They blame liberal professors who choose teaching over simply the pursuit of money, for not teaching that the endless pursuit of money is what their students should be learning.

I've been saying for a while you don't need to be ignorant to embrace the GOP these days, but it certainly helps! It has to be frustrating having a college educated person explaining the stupidity of a point of view.

On its own, I see the Dems view in college dropping from 72 to 67% as shocking.  Then look over at the GOP dropping from 54 to 33% in 4 years. Party of anti-education.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4975]

8 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

This is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. When any of us are thinking about electoral strategy, who to appeal to, etc, pull this post up. It is all immutable fact.

This is particularly hilarious in light of the post above. Trump voters won’t behave differently if you appeal to them with sweet talk and cookies.
Rather, that statement tells you that It wears on Trumpkins to be reminded constantly how fucking evil and stupid they are. See down, it makes them uncomfortable. And they HATE having their blissful state of ignorance and cruelty disturbed in any way. And in their intellectually feeble way, they think they this argument will her the critics to leave them alone.
Nah. Fuck em. Fuck em all. Every last one of em. Make them miserable all the goddamned time, everywhere they go. Cast them out of polite society. Shun them. Mock them. It won’t change what THEY do. They’ll support him till they die. But it might eventually help shove them under the rocks where they should have stayed.

I pray that one day all those who profess to be Christians will try to live by the example of love that Christ gave us. That applies especially to Donald Trump and his supporters who have shown that they have no intention of following the example of Christ, but it also applies to those who would characterize everyone who either does not share political beliefs with the Democratic Party or those who reluctantly pulled the lever for Trump in 2016 as the same as his ardent supporters. There seems to be no room for individual thought left in our society. Instead those who are not in lock step with the preferred party are labeled as heretics and a political inquisition is brewing in America. I am economically conservative, but socially a liberal that supports all of our constitutional rights, an ideology not uncommon in our country. Neither party actually represents this demographic, as there is no real conservative party. Nor is there a party that actually supports all of our constitutional rights. Both parties are irresponsible with our money (Republicans moreso), and both parties only support those rights which they think further their agenda. Yet if one has this view and expresses disdain for both parties, they are insulted by both and lumped in with the opposite party by the insulator. The right would call you a RINO, and the left would call you a Trump supporter. There is no room for those who actually follow their convictions and vote third party. They are automatically assumed to support the opponent and appropriately demonized. If you don't have any Machiavellian tendencies in you then you are the enemy. This attitude is what will destroy our nation. It will not be solely destroyed by the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. It will be destroyed by both parties working in concert despite their illusions of opposition. 

Maybe we should actually look at what we have in common and try and go from there. Both sides of the spectrum love our country. Genuinely, they love it and want to see the best happen. Both sides want it to be a place where our children can grow up and all future generations can prosper. There is clearly a large body of disagreement on how to accomplish that, but claiming your opponent wishes to do the opposite is a sure recipe to ensure that it doesn't. 

Now, don't get me wrong, there are terrible things happening right now that need to be called out and stopped, but this attitude of hate for everyone who disagrees with you is only going to further our demise.

[Tom 2959]

15 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Divide ? hardly.  Yeah I'm pointing the finger at the party that claims to be for the little man, and minorities hasn't made their lives better. Now illegal immigrants are the cause du jour.  Yes lets add more uneducated, unskilled folks to welfare rolls. That'll make the situation better for sure.

Leadership is not promising free free free free stuff to everyone if they'll just vote for me....  You get that right ? Leadership is doing the hard things that people don't always like.

 

Such a tired narrative completely rooted in fiction.  

So Republicans were responsible for the New Deal?  Supporting labor and union rights?  Was JFK not a Democrat when he proposed the Civil Rights act and was LBJ not a Democrat when he whipped Congress into getting it passed?  Which party is for expanding health care and which party is trying to take it away from people?  Which party is trying to chip away constantly at social security, medicare, and medicaid?  Which party wants to raise minimum wage to a livable wage?  Which party is suppressing minority votes?  

Despite the parties' flipping on certain issues, and despite the southern segregationist Democrats flipping to Republican, if there's one constant throughout American politics it's that Democrats have always been about workers' rights and Republicans have always been about helping those in this country that need it the least at the expense of everyone else.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

21 hours ago, horn4life said:

Want to put this up again so that it's clear that the GOP has a hatred for the well educated. They blame liberal professors who choose teaching over simply the pursuit of money, for not teaching that the endless pursuit of money is what their students should be learning.

I've been saying for a while you don't need to be ignorant to embrace the GOP these days, but it certainly helps! It has to be frustrating having a college educated person explaining the stupidity of a point of view.

Anti education ? Hardly, a well educated population is key to a successful nations health and future.  What people don't like are teachers, and professors trying to foist their personal political views into a classroom as fact.  Professors with tenure are the worst because they can get away with it without consequences.  

Kinda funny actually. No consequences for your actions... that's a major liberal mantra.

[wildcat09 29346]

2 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I pray that one day all those who profess to be Christians will try to live by the example of love that Christ gave us. That applies especially to Donald Trump and his supporters who have shown that they have no intention of following the example of Christ, but it also applies to those who would characterize everyone who either does not share political beliefs with the Democratic Party or those who reluctantly pulled the lever for Trump in 2016 as the same as his ardent supporters. There seems to be no room for individual thought left in our society. Instead those who are not in lock step with the preferred party are labeled as heretics and a political inquisition is brewing in America. I am economically conservative, but socially a liberal that supports all of our constitutional rights, an ideology not uncommon in our country. Neither party actually represents this demographic, as there is no real conservative party. Nor is there a party that actually supports all of our constitutional rights. Both parties are irresponsible with our money (Republicans moreso), and both parties only support those rights which they think further their agenda. Yet if one has this view and expresses disdain for both parties, they are insulted by both and lumped in with the opposite party by the insulator. The right would call you a RINO, and the left would call you a Trump supporter. There is no room for those who actually follow their convictions and vote third party. They are automatically assumed to support the opponent and appropriately demonized. If you don't have any Machiavellian tendencies in you then you are the enemy. This attitude is what will destroy our nation. It will not be solely destroyed by the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. It will be destroyed by both parties working in concert despite their illusions of opposition. 

Maybe we should actually look at what we have in common and try and go from there. Both sides of the spectrum love our country. Genuinely, they love it and want to see the best happen. Both sides want it to be a place where our children can grow up and all future generations can prosper. There is clearly a large body of disagreement on how to accomplish that, but claiming your opponent wishes to do the opposite is a sure recipe to ensure that it doesn't. 

Now, don't get me wrong, there are terrible things happening right now that need to be called out and stopped, but this attitude of hate for everyone who disagrees with you is only going to further our demise.

This sounds like a lot of words to say “I’m not going to support the only party with a chance to defeat Donald Trump because I don’t like paying taxes and don’t really care about all of the harm he causes to other people, but don’t like being made to feel like an asshole for having this opinion.”

if what I just said makes you more likely to vote for Trump or 3rd party, well, I refer you to my prior post at the top of this page.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

Such a tired narrative completely rooted in fiction.  

 

Yep both tired and mythological. They're not for the little man, they're for their own power.