David Koch is dead

[Parliament 14255]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/billionaire-businessman-david-koch-dead-at-79-132246911.html

 

The few dealings I has with his company were all favorable. Rest in peace, sir.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Thoughts and prayers 

[Ten Bears 2481]

[High Plains Drifter 11035]

Well, bye.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

[4th&Five 41525]

enjoy hell, asshole.

[lemonlime 5503]

womp, womp.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

I'm deriving way too much pleasure from this.

[wildcat09 29349]

1 minute ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I'm deriving way too much pleasure from this.

No such thing. It fucking rules.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

Seriously would probably run naked through the streets should Dotard kick it.

[TexLonghorn 5663]

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

19 minutes ago, Parliament said:

The few dealings I has with his company were all favorable.

So you enjoy shopping at Walmart? No one enjoys shopping at Walmart. Even the Kochs hate Walmart.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

Which brother was worse? 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

that's like asking which turd smells worse

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

So THAT'S why Brazil is on fire. Makes sense now. Someone tell the Area 51 people when they're done looking for aliens, that they need to check out the entrance to Hades in the Amazon...

[Mdhorn 5948]

Are people still arguing over whether these people and their bought political party can be cooperated with in reaching long term deals for the good of America?

[Celery Man 20934]

on the bright side, good for him that he got to die before we destroy his life's work

[DixonHur 11296]

nm

Edited August 23, 2019 by DixonHur

[TexArcher 37774]

I don't want to speak ill of the dead.

So I'll just say that I hope his brother Charles gets hit in the face by an asteroid later this afternoon.

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

Closest OP has ever come to a good start to a thread.

[TonyTexas 10510]

Koch had probably the most valuable wine collection in the world. 43,000 bottles. Cheers!

[RomaVicta 29905]

Killed by the rudeness of the mean Democrat party, no doubt.

[SimonBolivar 10958]

Where are his billions going? I would imagine he can do more immediate contributions as a dead person now than he could in life.

[tantric superman 4667]

I've heard Charlie on a couple of podcasts.  Always sounds very reasonable. 

As if it were good to be the king.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

1 minute ago, TonyTexas said:

Koch had probably the most valuable wine collection in the world. 43,000 bottles. Cheers!

That is actually his brother Bill. Bill decided he'd buy wine and art instead of politicians like his two dipship brothers. If you haven't seen Sour Grapes, I'd highly recommend it. 

[burntorangebongos 10710]

Dark money to the Tea Party types was a bad thing. Rot in hell, fucker.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

The man was brilliant. Used his fortune to make earth as hot as possible so that when he ends up in hell he's used to the heat. 

[TonyTexas 10510]

That is actually his brother Bill. Bill decided he'd buy wine and art instead of politicians like his two dipship brothers. If you haven't seen Sour Grapes, I'd highly recommend it. 

You’re right. My bad. And I’ve seen Sour Grapes and enjoyed it.

[Fudge Nuggets 19190]

nm.

Edited August 23, 2019 by Fudge Nuggets

[Lagunamadre 1975]

1 minute ago, TonyTexas said:

You’re right. My bad. And I’ve seen Sour Grapes and enjoyed it.

I'm sure ol' David had some decent red laying around the house as well. Doubt he was drinking yellowtail. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[Ghost of LL 15531]

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

[TwiceHorn 31450]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

Great post.

[elfenix 34230]

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

8 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

fuck them and everything about them.

[Mojo Hand 4580]

7 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

I hear you.  But they could have done a lot more to stop Trump.  From what I could tell, they started doing some things to mitigate some of the damage Trump is causing.  But they were never willing to put their own interests at risk by doing what it really takes to oppose Trump.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

9 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

I didn't know this was the forum for Koch brothers fan fiction. I bet he wistfully stared out the window of his mansion as Republicans destroyed this country for the last 30 years and a single tear rolled down his eye and he clinched his fist and shook it at the heavens. 

[Fozzz 152]

7 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

I think their role in funding the climate change denialist movement is far more detrimental and will lead to far more suffering (in orders of magnitude) than whatever role they may have had in facilitating the rise of Trump and white-nationalism.  Weird that you forgot to even mention that issue.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

13 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

I have more empathy for an ISIS suicide bomber, which is none. 

[Fozzz 152]

But governments and Muslim terrorists are the only entities possessed with both agency and power to affect the lives of others.  If you're mad at the Kochs it's only because you disagree with their beliefs and not for anything they've actually done because they don't fall into either of those two aforementioned categories.  

[Fozzz 152]

lol of course they were reared by a Nazi

[Longhorn_Fan68 33868]

I get giddy every time I see this thread bumped.

[wildcat09 29349]

26 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

They're arguably as responsible as any other people on earth for the fact that we're going to cook ourselves alive on this fucking planet. Fuck them.

[Fozzz 152]

Very freedom loving and libertarian to harass and smear journalists who report critically on you

 

[TexasMan 10891]

 

[hayden_horn 11362]

33 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

I have some empathy for the Koch brothers.  They're good old-fashioned rich-guy business Republicans who just wanted to make an asston of money and needed government regulation not to prevent them from doing so.  The only thing unique about them was their extremity, both in their objectives and in the pursuit of those objectives.

In pursuing their objectives by financing the Tea Party, they unwittingly facilitated the rise of the white-nationalist Party of Trump.  In that, they're not alone (I say as I look in the mirror).

Unlike some others, they recognized what has become of the GOP.  Their donations went down significantly over the past four years.  That's to their (limited) credit.

We all make bad decisions.  We just don't have the wherewithal to dump billions of dollars in furtherance of those bad decisions.  But even within my limited means, I often look at my bad decisions and the consequences caused by them and mournfully think "what the fuck have I done?".

I can't imagine the scope of the "what the fuck have I done" that the Koch brothers ask themselves.

no.

i get your perspective, but no.

these guys are in a completely different stratosphere from those of us who were mislead by the tea party movement. remember at the beginning the tea party was an independent movement. the koch's recognized it has a threat to republicanism, so they fucking hijacked it. they did this on purpose, with malice and cynicism. there was no idealism that maybe you felt. once you get into the three comma crowd, it's less about money and all about power. and those guys used their power to critically undermine this country, be it on climate change, the tea party, or fucking citizens united, these guys were never, in any sense, the "good guys."

thinking they are capable of moral retrospection is pure fantasy. 

they are about power and influence, not about stewardship of the country. fuck him, and fuck his brother.

[Hank Scorpio 17729]

5 minutes ago, TexasMan said:

 

Actually in the current climate the amazon is on fire and Greenland has melted. 

[tx 3 putt 76905]

Him and his brother went out their way to ruin this country as they saw fit, for their benefit. Fuck him. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by tx 3 putt

[RomaVicta 29905]

58 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I'd almost be honored to be vilified so adroitly even if the charges were without merit. 

Edited August 23, 2019 by RomaVicta

[RomaVicta 29905]

Great post, LL. The theme of willingness to review your own actions with a tap to your heart and a mea culpa is worthwhile in the current environment of political discourse.

You paint the Kochs, whom I only know a little about, as humans rather than devils. There are no devils. Anybody can be as wicked as these brothers. Anybody can try to do something to mitigate their bad acts. I see that as the extent of your empathy. I don't mistake the empathy for admiration.

These actors harmed the US immeasurably and may have put 100s of millions of people at risk by funding science denial. They fund the hate engine. Their motives have little scent of altruism. I doubt that they have ever spent a moment being as reflective as you.