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Pretty good article on The Athletic detailing the whole James Hudson transfer situation that was previously touched on in this thread. Good stuff on our favorite coach and how they process out players, waiver for immediate eligibility, etc:

 

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It might be a problem when the media is calling out Coach Harbs; but don't worry it isn't the Detroit media or any paper in Michigan.
Nope - it's the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2019-09-07/college-football-michigan-jim-harbaugh-army-shea-patterson-zach-charbonnet

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Jim Harbaugh’s decisions and results show Michigan isn’t as good as he thinks it is

By J. Brady McColloughStaff Writer 
Sep. 7, 2019
6:23 PM

Two times during the fourth quarter Saturday, Jim Harbaugh made a decision that indicated he did not understand the difference between the type of team he wants Michigan to be and where the Wolverines actually are in Year 5 of his coaching tenure at his alma mater.

Army had pushed seventh-ranked Michigan to the limit with the same brutal efficiency it employed a year ago at Oklahoma before falling to the Sooners in overtime. The Wolverines should have felt fortunate to be tied at 14 with the Black Knights, given the three fumbles and the inability of quarterback Shea Patterson to show real command of the new Michigan offense that was created with his skills in mind.

Yet, facing fourth and two from the Army 19, Harbaugh did not realize his good fortune and take the 36-yard field goal for Michigan’s first lead of the game. He asked a running game that averaged less than three yards per rush on the day to make him feel like these were the good old days at the Big House, when the tough yards were inevitably Michigan’s to be had. Army mobbed Michigan freshman Zach Charbonnet in the backfield, a result Harbaugh easily should have predicted and avoided.

Later, with less than three minutes left, Harbaugh had another fourth-and-two call to make, this time from the Army 43. Instead of pinning Army’s triple-option attack deep and setting up his defense with good field position to get the ball back and at the very least get to overtime, Harbaugh again decided to go for it. Michigan dialed Charbonnet’s number, and again, the former Oaks Christian standout was stuffed.

Harbaugh’s stubbornness, even confronted with what should have been mounting evidence that this was not a day for bold statements about his team’s backbone, nearly cost Michigan the game and all the good vibes his fan base has been able to muster entering this season with an 0-4 record against Ohio State.

Army missed a 50-yard field goal as the clock ran out in regulation, giving Michigan a second life it didn’t deserve.

The Wolverines won 24-21 in the second overtime thanks to a gritty effort from an exhausted defense. They won despite their $7.5-million coach.

Another fall is here, and it’s Same Old Michigan, no matter how much the Wolverines try to change.

Harbaugh finally relinquished play-calling to new offensive coordinator Josh Gattis, whom he brought in from Alabama, where Gattis coached the wide receivers during the Crimson Tide’s tactical revolution last year.

Michigan had 340 yards of offense against Army.

There are reasons why the Wolverines haven’t taken off yet in Gattis’ spread attack, which is supposed to take what the defense gives instead of blindly pounding away into a wall, which is what a good portion of Harbaugh‘s offense has looked like in Ann Arbor.

First, Army should be given credit for how tough this was for Michigan. The Black Knights, their ball-control offense sucking up so much game clock, make every possession extra weighty for the opposing offense. When a team fumbles the ball to Army as Michigan did three times, it is asking to find itself in a fourth-quarter brawl.

Plus, Patterson, the hyped Mississippi transfer who led Michigan to a 10-3 season last year, was hurt in the opener and playing with an injured oblique. He was often inaccurate and indecisive, and Gattis tightened up the playbook as the game went on.

Saturday, Michigan ran plenty of read-option with Patterson and Charbonnet — who saved the Wolverines with 33 carries for 100 yards and three touchdowns — but was unwilling to have Patterson keep the ball. That made it easy for Army to key on Charbonnet.

In what has become a trend, Harbaugh made it even harder for Michigan. In Year 5, the Wolverines are supposed to be competing with Ohio State for a spot in the College Football Playoff. As it stands, Michigan runs the risk of being blown out of its next game Sept. 21 at Wisconsin.

This is the definition of a well-placed bye week, for the injured players and the program. A win Saturday kept fan desperation from settling in, but Harbaugh gets paid to know better than to feel relieved. The pain is coming.

Ohio State, with its new coach Ryan Day and new quarterback Justin Fields, demolished a solid Cincinnati team 42-0 down the road in Columbus.

Michigan, with its returning coach and returning senior quarterback, is the team that should be glad it’s only September.

(Note - the rest of the article is a summary of other games played yesterday)
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  On 9/9/2019 at 1:53 AM, Wally Fairway said:

It might be a problem when the media is calling out Coach Harbs; but don't worry it isn't the Detroit media or any paper in Michigan.
Nope - it's the LA Times

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2019-09-07/college-football-michigan-jim-harbaugh-army-shea-patterson-zach-charbonnet

 

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Coming from the local media would carry a lot more weight than coming from a staff writer in L.A. I haven't read what the Detroit News or Freep or MLive has had to say about the game. The comments on Michigan message boards have been more scathing than what some casual observer 2,000 miles away had to say in the L.A. Times. 

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Yet, facing fourth and two from the Army 19, Harbaugh did not realize his good fortune and take the 36-yard field goal for Michigan’s first lead of the game. He asked a running game that averaged less than three yards per rush on the day to make him feel like these were the good old days at the Big House, when the tough yards were inevitably Michigan’s to be had. Army mobbed Michigan freshman Zach Charbonnet in the backfield, a result Harbaugh easily should have predicted and avoided.

Later, with less than three minutes left, Harbaugh had another fourth-and-two call to make, this time from the Army 43. Instead of pinning Army’s triple-option attack deep and setting up his defense with good field position to get the ball back and at the very least get to overtime, Harbaugh again decided to go for it. Michigan dialed Charbonnet’s number, and again, the former Oaks Christian standout was stuffed.

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Soooo...who are we blaming here?

The extent to which Harbaugh can keep his hands out of the offense is going to be an ongoing question all season long. Ultimately we're going to get the answer from insiders and the people who cover the program every day. My guess is that Harbaugh is too set in his ways to give up complete control. But two games isn't a large enough sample to conclude anything one way or another yet. 

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  On 9/7/2019 at 5:19 PM, Shaggy3.0 said:

Losing to army right now. Might be trailing at half. To army.




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To be fair OU damn near lost to Army at home last year then went on to the playoff. 

That probably won’t happen with Michigan though. 

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They didn't run the ball straight at some guy named Will, its more like they did a couple shifts and motions then right at the snap every Michigan backer and safety runs into the wrong gap or gets caught in the wash so it just looks like a clear path of green grass for the backs on every Wisconsin run.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

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  On 9/21/2019 at 9:27 PM, BigVegasHorn26 said:

Harbaugh not so good at this coaching thing.  

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That's the thing. We all know that he is. It isn't like you can just point to Andrew Luck to explain his success. He turned Stanford--fucking Stanford--into the toughest, most physical team west of the Mississippi. He (and pending NCAA sanctions) essentially chased Pete Carroll out of SC. Colin Kaepernick wasn't just good under Harbaugh; for about 15 months, he looked like the future of the quarterback position. The Niners completely imploded without him. He won big at San Diego. Maybe his temperament has a shelf life, but he is (was) a winner. At the time of his hire, I would have put this resume up against anyone in the college game not named Meyer or Saban.

His abject failure at Michigan is baffling. It looks like he still cares and puts in the time. It's just been a disaster.

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  On 9/22/2019 at 12:50 AM, aggie08 said:

That's the thing. We all know that he is. It isn't like you can just point to Andrew Luck to explain his success. He turned Stanford--fucking Stanford--into the toughest, most physical team west of the Mississippi. He (and pending NCAA sanctions) essentially chased Pete Carroll out of SC. Colin Kaepernick wasn't just good under Harbaugh; for about 15 months, he looked like the future of the quarterback position. The Niners completely imploded without him. He won big at San Diego. Maybe his temperament has a shelf life, but he is (was) a winner. At the time of his hire, I would have put this resume up against anyone in the college game not named Meyer or Saban.

His abject failure at Michigan is baffling. It looks like he still cares and puts in the time. It's just been a disaster.

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Maybe he excels when little is expected of him. I don't know.

I rooted for his Stanford teams because fuck Pete Carroll. I rooted for his 49ers team because they had several Buckeyes on the roster and because I wanted him to stay in the NFL. The last thing I wanted was to see him take the head coaching job in Ann Arbor. It was such an obvious, perfect hire. I have no idea where Michigan will turn if they ever decide to part ways. 

But he's not getting fired this year. Technically, all their goals are still achievable. But despite all their goals this was always going to be a one game season. He has to beat the Buckeyes. If he does that, nothing else matters. If he doesn't, that's when the clock starts ticking on the Harbaugh era. 

I've gotta say I never realized what a weird motherfucker he is. 

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  On 9/22/2019 at 12:50 AM, aggie08 said:
That's the thing. We all know that he is. It isn't like you can just point to Andrew Luck to explain his success. He turned Stanford--fucking Stanford--into the toughest, most physical team west of the Mississippi. He (and pending NCAA sanctions) essentially chased Pete Carroll out of SC. Colin Kaepernick wasn't just good under Harbaugh; for about 15 months, he looked like the future of the quarterback position. The Niners completely imploded without him. He won big at San Diego. Maybe his temperament has a shelf life, but he is (was) a winner. At the time of his hire, I would have put this resume up against anyone in the college game not named Meyer or Saban.
His abject failure at Michigan is baffling. It looks like he still cares and puts in the time. It's just been a disaster.

Or he had a great support staff and maybe he was just more into it then.
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  On 9/22/2019 at 1:28 AM, WhatTheBuck said:

I've gotta say I never realized what a weird motherfucker he is. 

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https://mgoblog.com/content/unverified-voracity-plays-catch

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This story from around 2000 involves Harbaugh wanting to throw the ball around with some girls at Dominicks. An observer feels this is flirting until

He said to the first girl, “keep your hands up, thumbs down,” and he showed her the proper motion with his own hands. When she didn’t get quite right, he grabbed her wrists and showed her how to position her hands. He then paced off 15 yards, held the ball in front of him, squatted like he was under center, patted the ball hard, took three hard steps back, planted his back leg and fired the ball at the first girl. As he let the ball go, you could hear it click as his fingernails hit the ball and, I shit you not, as the ball whizzed through the air you could hear it ssssssssssss… THUNK! It hit the girl in the shoulder and knocked her down. Jim wadn’t playin’.

“Come on, let’s go!” Jim barked. While Girl #1 picked herself up, Girl#2 gamely grabbed the ball and lobbed it back. Again, Jim got in his QB squat, smacked the ball, did a hard three-step drop-back and fired the ball at Girl#3, she ducked but the ball hit off the top of her head and went into the street. Girl#2 ran after it while Girl#3 sat on the ground rubbing her head. When Girl#2’s throw back to Jim was short, Jim got a bit annoyed, and set the girls up in a relay so that two girls were about 25 yards away, and the third girl was halfway in between so that that girls could throw to her, and she would run the ball to Jim. For the next 5-10 minutes, he was firing balls at these two poor girls, knocking them down or hitting them in the face about half the time. He was 100% oblivious.

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original blog is gone, but this still remains

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  On 9/23/2019 at 10:26 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Your choices are coaches on the current staff. Do you know any of their names?

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No, nor do I care. How did Josh Gattis even get hired?

  On 9/24/2019 at 1:10 AM, VABuckeye said:

Would never coach at that school. 

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I doubt it too, but that's why it'd be such a fantastic hire. UM would actually turn out good, and Buckeye fans everywhere would shit themselves.

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  On 9/24/2019 at 5:57 PM, n64ra said:

No, nor do I care. How did Josh Gattis even get hired?

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Feldman wrote a long article about it this summer:

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  On 9/21/2019 at 9:27 PM, BigVegasHorn26 said:

Harbaugh not so good at this coaching thing.  

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Michigan is not that good at the football thing.  If you follow their history, in their good years they drop 1 random BUG game and bat .500 against ND+OSU.  Some of their fans concede that 10-3 is the new normal. But at least they aren't Nebraska, yet.

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  On 9/24/2019 at 7:01 PM, notre dame joe said:

Michigan is not that good at the football thing.  If you follow their history, in their good years they drop 1 random BUG game and bat .500 against ND+OSU.  Some of their fans concede that 10-3 is the new normal. But at least they aren't Nebraska, yet.

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Since the turn of the century, they've had two seasons where they lost fewer than three games: 2006, when they ran out to an 11-0 start and then lost to Ohio State and got beaten pretty convincingly in the Rose Bowl, and 2011 when Ohio State had an interim coach and was unusually vulnerable. In every other season, for the past two decades, they've had at least three losses. 

They managed two or fewer losses more frequently in the 90s, 80s, and 70s-- four times in the 90s (including the weird 9-0-3 season in 1992), five times in the 80s (including a 9-2-1 record one year), and nine times in the 70s (including one 8-2-2 record). 

That trend is unmistakable and takes place over a nearly fifty year period from 1970 through last season, so it's not just some cherry-picked Aggiesque time frame. And, it's not just "there are more games, so there are more losses", either-- Ohio State lost two or fewer games all seven years under Urban Meyer and seven times in the ten years Jim Tressel was the coach. 

We have long-term evidence now that Michigan and Ohio State have different ceilings as programs. I have no idea how Michigan turns that around other than "recruiting", which is both facile and correct. 

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Harbaugh just watched an opposing team absolutely annihilate his squad with the exact brand of offense he failed to install in the same year that he abandoned that effort to hand the reins over to a first time play caller who is clearly in over his head. That would probably be incredibly frustrating if it wasn’t for the millions of dollars Michigan has showered him with.


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  On 9/24/2019 at 7:01 PM, notre dame joe said:

Michigan is not that good at the football thing.  If you follow their history, in their good years they drop 1 random BUG game and bat .500 against ND+OSU.  Some of their fans concede that 10-3 is the new normal. But at least they aren't Nebraska, yet.

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Wow that's rich.  Remind me again how long its been?  30 years?  Oh yeah, I forgot you made it to the playoffs twice by virtue of a stellar fucking schedule.  And whoa, what an appearance both times.  Still scheduling service academies....too bad it's not 1942

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if we can get back to Michigan Misery instead of cataloging which Midwestern programs have gone the longest without winning anything of consequence (in order: Nebraska, then Michigan, then Notre Dame, then Minnesota, then the U of Chicago)

Reading rumors this morning among Michigan fans that Tarik Black and Donovan Peoples-Jones are acting like locker room cancers right now and their playing time is going to suffer for it

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Haha!  Such a craptastic program right now.  Let them all choke.  tOSU is as crooked as a politicians spine.  Meat-chicken is floundering.  NU is, well NU.  

They just don't have the horses anymore.  tOSU is the only program to consistently pull top players from OOS.  Currently they have a top five class, with only 5 of their top 15 players are local (or @ surrounding states).  They are having to pull from TX, CA, NJ, WA, AZ, etc.)

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  On 9/25/2019 at 1:56 PM, WhatTheBuck said:

Notre Dame only went to the playoff once. And got embarrassed. Their last national championship came in 1988. Michigan's was in 1997. 

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That was a mediocre team that struggled with an 8 win Bob Davie team at home.  M was protected from Nebraska by the Bowl system so they claim half a title.  Their last consensus title was right after WW2.

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  On 9/25/2019 at 2:31 PM, BabaYaga said:

Haha!  Such a craptastic program right now.  Let them all choke.  tOSU is as crooked as a politicians spine.  Meat-chicken is floundering.  NU is, well NU.  

They just don't have the horses anymore.  tOSU is the only program to consistently pull top players from OOS.  Currently they have a top five class, with only 5 of their top 15 players are local (or @ surrounding states).  They are having to pull from TX, CA, NJ, WA, AZ, etc.)

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If you’re talking about Ohio State they don’t have to pull from those states, they CAN pull top players from those states. Like Alabama they’re a national recruiting brands. When they call they get kids attention. 

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  On 9/25/2019 at 8:45 PM, VABuckeye said:

If you’re talking about Ohio State they don’t have to pull from those states, they CAN pull top players from those states. Like Alabama they’re a national recruiting brands. When they call they get kids attention. 

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Yep, and their 2020 class - 10 of their top 15 players are from many state's away.  So like AL and TX, they can pick and choose from a MUCH larger sample size across the country.  

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  On 9/25/2019 at 2:31 PM, BabaYaga said:

Haha!  Such a craptastic program right now.  Let them all choke.  tOSU is as crooked as a politicians spine.  Meat-chicken is floundering.  NU is, well NU.  

They just don't have the horses anymore.  tOSU is the only program to consistently pull top players from OOS.  Currently they have a top five class, with only 5 of their top 15 players are local (or @ surrounding states).  They are having to pull from TX, CA, NJ, WA, AZ, etc.)

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If you’re talking about Ohio State they don’t have to pull from those states, they CAN pull top players from those states. Like Alabama they’re a national recruiting brands. When they call they get kids attention. 

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