Jim Harbaugh NO LONGER coaches at Michigan

[Earl Haffler 597]

28 minutes ago, USC_TMB said:

Somebody has a serious hard-on for Harbaugh (obviously the NCAA, but someone outside).  The dude must have pissed off everyone in the coaching world and killed some powerful leader’s puppy. The normal line of thinking is, sensitive information doesn’t just get out unless someone wants it out. For sure the “fan” is a complete moron the way he went about things, but the speed AND the depth of the information leakage makes me think this goes beyond just cheating.

Harbaugh is seriously boned as far as collegiate coaching goes, Michigan will sacrifice him in an effort to save the “Harvard of the West” rep. Will an NFL team scoop him up? Hell, Belichick is still coaching, so…

I bet they still had Rich Rod.

[ClubWhatever 12158]

32 minutes ago, NYCHORN2013 said:

Anyone know what the deal is with this one? have heard:

1) hacking into opponents cloud to steal practice film

2) hacking into athletes' emails to see if they were talking to other schools about transferring

Victims?   Yikes.  

[ChiTownDoc 21163]

8 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

For a dirty Sooner piece of shit, you’re a pretty good guy.

 

I’d call you a liar, but you had the proper qualifiers in there.  

[ChiTownDoc 21163]

39 minutes ago, NYCHORN2013 said:

Anyone know what the deal is with this one? have heard:

1) hacking into opponents cloud to steal practice film

2) hacking into athletes' emails to see if they were talking to other schools about transferring

It’s the B1G.  Kiddie porn is always the most likely offense.  

[South Austin 52617]

19 minutes ago, lilMAC25 said:

For a dirty Sooner piece of shit, you’re a pretty good guy.

So good that I often forget he's a Sooner.

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

So good that I often forget he's a Sooner.

Try some seafood next time you're at The Clubhouse restaurant in Virginia:

[South Austin 52617]

I don't think I could order the Flight 93 Redirect Crab Dip with a straight face, which would make me seem like an asshole, because those passengers gave the ultimate sacrifice to save other lives.

[Juicy 727]

Anyone know what the deal is with this one? have heard:
1) hacking into opponents cloud to steal practice film
2) hacking into athletes' emails to see if they were talking to other schools about transferring

Believe it is some light stalking of coeds, and accessing their grades and personal information Nothing to do with football.

Seriously though. Michigan needs someone to vet all these analyst hires. Harbaugh is just like ,”are you a psycho, stalker or racist? Come on down”

[HornOnTheBayou 8947]

16 minutes ago, South Austin said:

I don't think I could order the Flight 93 Redirect Crab Dip with a straight face, which would make me seem like an asshole, because those passengers gave the ultimate sacrifice to save other lives.

And so you could have some crab dip.

[South Austin 52617]

Just now, HornOnTheBayou said:

And so you could have some crab dip.

Amen.

[hookemATL 11906]

23 minutes ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Try some seafood next time you're at The Clubhouse restaurant in Virginia:

 No twin towers of onion rings?

Or brownie allah akbar mode?

[Kwix 2199]

5 minutes ago, HornOnTheBayou said:

And so you could have some crab dip.

[Chooky 13319]

Too many 2 remember-tinis will result in not remembering shit. 

[Radical Larry 28663]

which would make me seem like an asshole

Well, you’re a poster here, so… yeah.

[South Austin 52617]

2 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Well, you’re a poster here, so… yeah.

 

But the waiter taking my Flight 93 Redirect Crab Dip order doesn’t know that.

[AeroHorn 754]

5 hours ago, gatormarc said:

Maybe this was the Gentlemen's Agreement all along.

Better known as honor among thieves. 

[Radical Larry 28663]

But the waiter taking my Flight 93 Redirect Crab Dip order doesn’t know that.

[NWBuck 8587]

8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Football and pedophilia, that is the Big 10!

With all this discussion about crab dip, let's remember that Maryland is in the B1G now as well...

[ultimaton 2982]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It’s the B1G.  Kiddie porn is always the most likely offense.  

So he hacked Ryan Day's computer?

[UTEE97 3522]

 

 

[Francisco 2.0 32430]

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-tcu-knew-of-michigans-sign-stealing-scheme-prior-to-cfp-game-used-dummy-signals-to-dupe-wolverines-224848698.html

 

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During TCU’s game against Michigan in last year’s College Football Playoff semifinal, trickery was afoot.

TCU coaches, having gained information on Michigan’s elaborate sign-stealing scheme, changed many of their play-call signals before kickoff. However, head coach Sonny Dykes and the Horned Frogs staff had grander ideas than just changing signals.

They pulled a fast one on the Wolverines.

 

 

Quote

They mixed in new play-call signals with old ones, using what one TCU staff member described as “dummy signals” in an effort to trick the UM staff. The dummy signals were old play-calls that had since been changed. Players were told to ignore the dummy signals and run the original play as called with the new signals.

“Sometimes we froze a play before the snap,” said one TCU coach. “We’d call a play and then we’d signal in another play with an old signal but we told players to run the original play.”

 

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TCU, a 7.5-point underdog, beat Michigan 51-45 in that semifinal clash in the Fiesta Bowl, stunning much of the college football world in a victory that propelled Dykes’ team to the national championship game against Georgia. The Horned Frogs lost that game, 65-7, but their semifinal victory stands as one of the more incredible upsets in the history of the College Football Playoff — and, now, serves as another wrinkle in what’s evolved into the college game’s version of Deflategate.

 

Spoiler

A week into the saga, most know the details by now: A now-suspended Michigan analyst, Connor Stalions, purchased tickets to more than 40 college football games in an effort to record opponents’ signals in what has been unearthed as an elaborate, three-year scheme that has rocked the sport. In news first reported by Yahoo Sports last Thursday, the NCAA is investigating the program for a violation of the association’s rules around in-person scouting.

Over the last seven days, more news connected to the case has trickled out from various media outlets.

Most recently, the Washington Post reported Wednesday that an outside investigative firm first tipped off the NCAA last week to Michigan’s sign-stealing scheme, presenting officials with documents uncovered from computers maintained and accessed by UM coaches that outlined the system, including travel schedules and expenses for future trips.

On Thursday, the Associated Press reported that NCAA investigators were on campus at Michigan gathering information for the probe.

The breadth of the scheme appears to be massive. Stalions purchased tickets to games at 12 of 13 Big Ten schools for a total of 30 games, according to a Monday report from ESPN. At least one of the schools produced in-stadium surveillance video of someone recording the sideline in the seat Stalions booked. He also purchased tickets to games involving CFP contenders like Tennessee, Georgia, Oregon, Florida and Clemson, as well as the last two SEC championship games, Yahoo Sports reported Tuesday.

In one instance, Stalions bought a ticket to Tennessee’s game against Kentucky last season in view of the Volunteers’ sideline. Three minutes after the purchase, he transferred the ticket, presumably, to an associate or friend designated to record the game.

At TCU, the school has found no evidence that Stalions purchased a ticket to a home game last season, but there were ample opportunities to record the Horned Frogs in road games or in the Big 12 championship against Kansas State.

Not long after the CFP unveiled the 2022 semifinal matchups — Georgia vs. Ohio State and TCU vs. Michigan — the Horned Frogs staff began receiving phone calls from coaches across the country about what was a well-known fact in the Big Ten coaching community: that Michigan had an elaborate sign-stealing system.

Many of those on the TCU staff were unaware before the calls. Coaches from several Big Ten schools, including Ohio State, informed TCU coaches of the scheme.

“Literally everybody we talked to knew,” said one TCU coach. “They’d say, ‘Just so you know, they steal your signals and they’re going to have everything so you better change them.’”

One coach told the staff that Michigan “has the most elaborate signal-stealing in the history of the world.”

TCU changed some of the signals. More interesting, though, is that they purposely used the old signals to trick the Wolverines — a move not-so-surprising given the savvy nature of their head coach. Dykes is a protégé of Mike Leach, a coach known for poking fun at those who steal signals. In one game while coach at Washington State, Leach learned that the coach of his team’s next opponent, Arizona State's Todd Graham, was notorious for stealing signals. During the game against ASU, Leach aggressively flashed signals toward Graham in a hilarious moment that’s made the rounds on social media over the last few days.

Plenty of folks see much of Leach in Dykes. And so why not give the Wolverines some of their own medicine?

Dykes and staff crafted a game plan that, at least in part, used the dummy signals to fool coach Jim Harbaugh and signaler Stalions. TCU scored first-half touchdowns on drives of 10 plays for 83 yards and 12 plays for 76 yards.

“The guy (Stalions) was wrong a couple of times,” one TCU staff member said. “We rewatched the TV version of the game. You can see him standing next to the defensive coordinator. He tells something to the coordinator and he points in the air to mean pass. You can see the playsheet he’s holding with our hand signs on them.”

TCU did a variety of measures to avoid the issue beyond changing some signs. The staff purposely signaled in plays late as to not leave enough time for Stalions to relay the signal to coaches.

“There are some times in the game that they still got us,” a TCU staff member said, “especially on short-yardage.”

Signal-stealing is not against NCAA rules. However, the association prohibits coaches or staff members scouting games of upcoming opponents in person — a near 30-year-old rule. Stealing an opponent’s signals during a game or from the television broadcast is not against NCAA rules. In fact, it’s quite common in college football.

Through history, plenty of opposing coaches have been caught by rival schools scouting games, spring games or practices, yet many of them go unpublicized and are quietly dealt with by the NCAA.

The Michigan case represents the largest scale sign-stealing scheme ever publicized in the recent history of college sports. It’s no surprise that the system eventually leaked because of its sheer size and foolish moves.

Stalions bought tickets in his own name and Michigan staff members used large white playsheets during games on the sideline that showed the opposing team’s hand signals in black — still shots of which have made their way across the internet.

Big Ten coaches caught on long ago.

As Yahoo Sports reported last week, news of the sign-stealing spread enough that multiple Michigan opponents this season dropped their signaling and used wristbands for much of the offensive play-calling during the game against the Wolverines.

“We heard they had a guy pick plays pretty good and had all this information from not your typical ways of getting the signals,” a Big Ten staff member said. “We get into the game and it’s the second quarter. I see him across the field and he’s checking his 11x17 sheet.”

The sign-stealing dates back to at least 2021, according to sources. The Wolverines have won 33 of their last 36 games dating back to that season. Michigan is 8-0 and ranked No. 2 this season and are on a bye this week before a home game against Purdue on Nov. 4.

A timeline for the NCAA’s investigation is unclear. It only started last week. NCAA inquiries such as this often extend months, if not years, and feature an even more lengthy appeals process that could delay any potential penalties levied.

 

 

 

And here's The Stallion on the sidelines of the TCU game:

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Francisco 2.0

[Kwix 2199]

11 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-tcu-knew-of-michigans-sign-stealing-scheme-prior-to-cfp-game-used-dummy-signals-to-dupe-wolverines-224848698.html

 

 

 

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

A week into the saga, most know the details by now: A now-suspended Michigan analyst, Connor Stalions, purchased tickets to more than 40 college football games in an effort to record opponents’ signals in what has been unearthed as an elaborate, three-year scheme that has rocked the sport. In news first reported by Yahoo Sports last Thursday, the NCAA is investigating the program for a violation of the association’s rules around in-person scouting.

Over the last seven days, more news connected to the case has trickled out from various media outlets.

Most recently, the Washington Post reported Wednesday that an outside investigative firm first tipped off the NCAA last week to Michigan’s sign-stealing scheme, presenting officials with documents uncovered from computers maintained and accessed by UM coaches that outlined the system, including travel schedules and expenses for future trips.

On Thursday, the Associated Press reported that NCAA investigators were on campus at Michigan gathering information for the probe.

The breadth of the scheme appears to be massive. Stalions purchased tickets to games at 12 of 13 Big Ten schools for a total of 30 games, according to a Monday report from ESPN. At least one of the schools produced in-stadium surveillance video of someone recording the sideline in the seat Stalions booked. He also purchased tickets to games involving CFP contenders like Tennessee, Georgia, Oregon, Florida and Clemson, as well as the last two SEC championship games, Yahoo Sports reported Tuesday.

In one instance, Stalions bought a ticket to Tennessee’s game against Kentucky last season in view of the Volunteers’ sideline. Three minutes after the purchase, he transferred the ticket, presumably, to an associate or friend designated to record the game.

At TCU, the school has found no evidence that Stalions purchased a ticket to a home game last season, but there were ample opportunities to record the Horned Frogs in road games or in the Big 12 championship against Kansas State.

Not long after the CFP unveiled the 2022 semifinal matchups — Georgia vs. Ohio State and TCU vs. Michigan — the Horned Frogs staff began receiving phone calls from coaches across the country about what was a well-known fact in the Big Ten coaching community: that Michigan had an elaborate sign-stealing system.

Many of those on the TCU staff were unaware before the calls. Coaches from several Big Ten schools, including Ohio State, informed TCU coaches of the scheme.

“Literally everybody we talked to knew,” said one TCU coach. “They’d say, ‘Just so you know, they steal your signals and they’re going to have everything so you better change them.’”

One coach told the staff that Michigan “has the most elaborate signal-stealing in the history of the world.”

TCU changed some of the signals. More interesting, though, is that they purposely used the old signals to trick the Wolverines — a move not-so-surprising given the savvy nature of their head coach. Dykes is a protégé of Mike Leach, a coach known for poking fun at those who steal signals. In one game while coach at Washington State, Leach learned that the coach of his team’s next opponent, Arizona State's Todd Graham, was notorious for stealing signals. During the game against ASU, Leach aggressively flashed signals toward Graham in a hilarious moment that’s made the rounds on social media over the last few days.

Plenty of folks see much of Leach in Dykes. And so why not give the Wolverines some of their own medicine?

Dykes and staff crafted a game plan that, at least in part, used the dummy signals to fool coach Jim Harbaugh and signaler Stalions. TCU scored first-half touchdowns on drives of 10 plays for 83 yards and 12 plays for 76 yards.

“The guy (Stalions) was wrong a couple of times,” one TCU staff member said. “We rewatched the TV version of the game. You can see him standing next to the defensive coordinator. He tells something to the coordinator and he points in the air to mean pass. You can see the playsheet he’s holding with our hand signs on them.”

TCU did a variety of measures to avoid the issue beyond changing some signs. The staff purposely signaled in plays late as to not leave enough time for Stalions to relay the signal to coaches.

“There are some times in the game that they still got us,” a TCU staff member said, “especially on short-yardage.”

Signal-stealing is not against NCAA rules. However, the association prohibits coaches or staff members scouting games of upcoming opponents in person — a near 30-year-old rule. Stealing an opponent’s signals during a game or from the television broadcast is not against NCAA rules. In fact, it’s quite common in college football.

Through history, plenty of opposing coaches have been caught by rival schools scouting games, spring games or practices, yet many of them go unpublicized and are quietly dealt with by the NCAA.

The Michigan case represents the largest scale sign-stealing scheme ever publicized in the recent history of college sports. It’s no surprise that the system eventually leaked because of its sheer size and foolish moves.

Stalions bought tickets in his own name and Michigan staff members used large white playsheets during games on the sideline that showed the opposing team’s hand signals in black — still shots of which have made their way across the internet.

Big Ten coaches caught on long ago.

As Yahoo Sports reported last week, news of the sign-stealing spread enough that multiple Michigan opponents this season dropped their signaling and used wristbands for much of the offensive play-calling during the game against the Wolverines.

“We heard they had a guy pick plays pretty good and had all this information from not your typical ways of getting the signals,” a Big Ten staff member said. “We get into the game and it’s the second quarter. I see him across the field and he’s checking his 11x17 sheet.”

The sign-stealing dates back to at least 2021, according to sources. The Wolverines have won 33 of their last 36 games dating back to that season. Michigan is 8-0 and ranked No. 2 this season and are on a bye this week before a home game against Purdue on Nov. 4.

A timeline for the NCAA’s investigation is unclear. It only started last week. NCAA inquiries such as this often extend months, if not years, and feature an even more lengthy appeals process that could delay any potential penalties levied.

 

 

 

And here's The Stallion on the sidelines of the TCU game:

 

 

 

Wow, I almost hate dykes a little less. 

[4th&Five 41590]

Wow. 

“The guy (Stalions) was wrong a couple of times,” one TCU staff member said. “We rewatched the TV version of the game. You can see him standing next to the defensive coordinator. He tells something to the coordinator and he points in the air to mean pass. You can see the playsheet he’s holding with our hand signs on them.”

[TexArcher 38073]

24 minutes ago, Kwix said:

Wow, I almost hate dykes a little less. 

Jesus, that's a bit much, isn't it?  Let's keep this to football.

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20496]

29 minutes ago, Kwix said:

Wow, I almost hate dykes a little less. 

In my book, fucking Jim Harbaugh on a football field makes up for a lot. 

And to think I always liked Michigan. Do you know how bad I'm going to feel rooting for Ohio State this year? Just thinking the thought makes me feel like I need a shower.

[TexasMan 10988]

Props to Ross Dellinger for that article. Crazy shit. 

[TexasMan 10988]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32430]

https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/michigan-connor-stalions-bought-nebraska-ohio-state-tickets/article_dd20daa1-ae4e-5573-a718-048591a1e09e.html?utm_source=omaha.com&utm_campaign=news-alerts&utm_medium=cio&lctg=eef30701b973eadd02&tn_email_eh1=b0bdb808ce96925d124384d5d6446971a61d08894976daf6ff3ef12be4e2fece

 

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The Michigan football staffer at the center of the school’s sign-stealing scandal purchased tickets to at least five games in Nebraska’s Memorial Stadium across the 2021 and 2022 seasons. 

Connor Stalions bought tickets to the Huskers’ games against Michigan and Ohio State in 2021 and the Oklahoma, Minnesota and Illinois games in 2022. The information was contained in a University of Nebraska-Lincoln email obtained Thursday by The World-Herald in a public records request.

 

 

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An athletic department staffer originally sent the email Oct. 20 to Jamie Vaughn, NU’s director of NCAA compliance. That would suggest the information could have been run down by the school in cooperation with the NCAA’s investigation into widespread sign stealing by Michigan’s football program. 

ESPN previously reported 12 of 13 possible Big Ten schools have a record of Stalions buying a ticket to at least one of their games in recent years. The email proves that one of those Big Ten schools was Nebraska. 

 

Spoiler

In 2022, Stallions purchased a ticket to Nebraska’s Sept. 17 home game against Oklahoma. 

The ticket was low in West Stadium near the 40-yard-line, which would have given the person sitting in the seat a good view of the Nebraska sideline on the east side of the field. 

Stalions also purchased single tickets to Nebraska’s Oct. 29 game against Illinois and Nov. 5 against Minnesota — the Huskers’ opponents in the two weeks immediately prior to the Nebraska-Michigan game. 

Both seats were again low and near midfield in West Stadium. However, neither of those tickets were scanned, meaning the tickets were not used on game day. 

During the 2021 season, Stallion purchased a pair of tickets in East Stadium for Nebraska’s Nov. 6 game against Ohio State — Michigan's arch rival.

Those tickets near the 40-yard-line would have given the users a clear view that day of the Buckeyes' sideline. Three weeks later, Michigan beat Ohio State 42-27, paving the way for the Wolverines to win the Big Ten championship and ultimately advance to the College Football Playoff.

Stalions also in 2021 purchased a pair of tickets to Nebraska’s Oct. 9 home game against Michigan. It’s unclear why he would purchase a ticket to a game the Wolverines were playing in. The tickets were also in the northwest part of North Stadium, not affording the best view of the Nebraska sideline. 

However, both tickets were scanned on game day, suggesting two people associated with Stalions were in the stadium that day. 

There apparently were no Stalions’ purchases of tickets to any of Nebraska’s home games this season.

However, there would have been other opportunities for Michigan to scout Nebraska at other venues, including the Aug. 31 game in Minneapolis pitting Nebraska and Minnesota. 

Both Nebraska and Minnesota appeared on Michigan’s schedule this season. Michigan defeated the Huskers on Sept. 30 by a 45-7 score and a week later defeated Minnesota 52-10. 

University of Nebraska athletic officials had no comment to Stalions’ purchase of Husker tickets. Michigan has suspended Stalions from its football staff. Wolverine coach Jim Harbaugh has denied any knowledge or involvement in the alleged scheme. 

Husker coach Matt Rhule had no comment earlier this week when asked about the investigation into Michigan. But he did have an opinion on the use of hand signals. 

He’d like to see microphones installed in the helmets of quarterbacks, just like they have in the NFL.

“There 100% should be,” Rhule said. “You can get rid of all the stupid signs on the sidelines and the pictures of rock stars and all that stuff, and just play football. You go to a high school game, there’s technology on the sideline. You go to a NFL game, there’s technology on the sideline. You go to college, there’s nothing.”

 

 

[Hmbre97 6331]

8 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

That highlighted portion of this is the only time that game was ever in doubt.

This makes way more sense now. This is basically a carbon copy of the 'Tom Herman finds OU playsheet that Leach planted' story. Fucking LOL

[Evil Bill Obrien 3293]

2 hours ago, hookemATL said:

 No twin towers of onion rings?

Or brownie allah akbar mode?

[Hmbre97 6331]

Also, LOL at all the Big 10 coaches calling TCU to give them the heads up on this. I was told in this very thread that the Big 10 and the other programs in the conference would carry water for Michigan so the conference would get that sweet bowl money and CFP/NCG appearance. Give me a fucking break. Just like I said, every AD in that conference would vote in a second to nuke Michigan and take down one of the top programs in the coference so they can feast on the leftovers. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5797]

On 10/25/2023 at 4:32 PM, VABuckeye said:

Where the fuck are you coming up with this bullshit.  If it’s an attempt at humor it’s not funny, even by Surly standards. 

I'm sure this has been addressed, but I'm pages behind. This absolutely made the thread. Well done everyone 

 

[MrBig 5441]

2 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-tcu-knew-of-michigans-sign-stealing-scheme-prior-to-cfp-game-used-dummy-signals-to-dupe-wolverines-224848698.html

 

 

 

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

A week into the saga, most know the details by now: A now-suspended Michigan analyst, Connor Stalions, purchased tickets to more than 40 college football games in an effort to record opponents’ signals in what has been unearthed as an elaborate, three-year scheme that has rocked the sport. In news first reported by Yahoo Sports last Thursday, the NCAA is investigating the program for a violation of the association’s rules around in-person scouting.

Over the last seven days, more news connected to the case has trickled out from various media outlets.

Most recently, the Washington Post reported Wednesday that an outside investigative firm first tipped off the NCAA last week to Michigan’s sign-stealing scheme, presenting officials with documents uncovered from computers maintained and accessed by UM coaches that outlined the system, including travel schedules and expenses for future trips.

On Thursday, the Associated Press reported that NCAA investigators were on campus at Michigan gathering information for the probe.

The breadth of the scheme appears to be massive. Stalions purchased tickets to games at 12 of 13 Big Ten schools for a total of 30 games, according to a Monday report from ESPN. At least one of the schools produced in-stadium surveillance video of someone recording the sideline in the seat Stalions booked. He also purchased tickets to games involving CFP contenders like Tennessee, Georgia, Oregon, Florida and Clemson, as well as the last two SEC championship games, Yahoo Sports reported Tuesday.

In one instance, Stalions bought a ticket to Tennessee’s game against Kentucky last season in view of the Volunteers’ sideline. Three minutes after the purchase, he transferred the ticket, presumably, to an associate or friend designated to record the game.

At TCU, the school has found no evidence that Stalions purchased a ticket to a home game last season, but there were ample opportunities to record the Horned Frogs in road games or in the Big 12 championship against Kansas State.

Not long after the CFP unveiled the 2022 semifinal matchups — Georgia vs. Ohio State and TCU vs. Michigan — the Horned Frogs staff began receiving phone calls from coaches across the country about what was a well-known fact in the Big Ten coaching community: that Michigan had an elaborate sign-stealing system.

Many of those on the TCU staff were unaware before the calls. Coaches from several Big Ten schools, including Ohio State, informed TCU coaches of the scheme.

“Literally everybody we talked to knew,” said one TCU coach. “They’d say, ‘Just so you know, they steal your signals and they’re going to have everything so you better change them.’”

One coach told the staff that Michigan “has the most elaborate signal-stealing in the history of the world.”

TCU changed some of the signals. More interesting, though, is that they purposely used the old signals to trick the Wolverines — a move not-so-surprising given the savvy nature of their head coach. Dykes is a protégé of Mike Leach, a coach known for poking fun at those who steal signals. In one game while coach at Washington State, Leach learned that the coach of his team’s next opponent, Arizona State's Todd Graham, was notorious for stealing signals. During the game against ASU, Leach aggressively flashed signals toward Graham in a hilarious moment that’s made the rounds on social media over the last few days.

Plenty of folks see much of Leach in Dykes. And so why not give the Wolverines some of their own medicine?

Dykes and staff crafted a game plan that, at least in part, used the dummy signals to fool coach Jim Harbaugh and signaler Stalions. TCU scored first-half touchdowns on drives of 10 plays for 83 yards and 12 plays for 76 yards.

“The guy (Stalions) was wrong a couple of times,” one TCU staff member said. “We rewatched the TV version of the game. You can see him standing next to the defensive coordinator. He tells something to the coordinator and he points in the air to mean pass. You can see the playsheet he’s holding with our hand signs on them.”

TCU did a variety of measures to avoid the issue beyond changing some signs. The staff purposely signaled in plays late as to not leave enough time for Stalions to relay the signal to coaches.

“There are some times in the game that they still got us,” a TCU staff member said, “especially on short-yardage.”

Signal-stealing is not against NCAA rules. However, the association prohibits coaches or staff members scouting games of upcoming opponents in person — a near 30-year-old rule. Stealing an opponent’s signals during a game or from the television broadcast is not against NCAA rules. In fact, it’s quite common in college football.

Through history, plenty of opposing coaches have been caught by rival schools scouting games, spring games or practices, yet many of them go unpublicized and are quietly dealt with by the NCAA.

The Michigan case represents the largest scale sign-stealing scheme ever publicized in the recent history of college sports. It’s no surprise that the system eventually leaked because of its sheer size and foolish moves.

Stalions bought tickets in his own name and Michigan staff members used large white playsheets during games on the sideline that showed the opposing team’s hand signals in black — still shots of which have made their way across the internet.

Big Ten coaches caught on long ago.

As Yahoo Sports reported last week, news of the sign-stealing spread enough that multiple Michigan opponents this season dropped their signaling and used wristbands for much of the offensive play-calling during the game against the Wolverines.

“We heard they had a guy pick plays pretty good and had all this information from not your typical ways of getting the signals,” a Big Ten staff member said. “We get into the game and it’s the second quarter. I see him across the field and he’s checking his 11x17 sheet.”

The sign-stealing dates back to at least 2021, according to sources. The Wolverines have won 33 of their last 36 games dating back to that season. Michigan is 8-0 and ranked No. 2 this season and are on a bye this week before a home game against Purdue on Nov. 4.

A timeline for the NCAA’s investigation is unclear. It only started last week. NCAA inquiries such as this often extend months, if not years, and feature an even more lengthy appeals process that could delay any potential penalties levied.

 

 

 

And here's The Stallion on the sidelines of the TCU game:

 

 

 

[4th&Five 41590]

 

[Bevo14 8378]

4 hours ago, South Austin said:

I don't think I could order the Flight 93 Redirect Crab Dip with a straight face, which would make me seem like an asshole, because those passengers gave the ultimate sacrifice to save other lives.

Do you know what site you're on? You're an asshole regardless. 

[The_Great_Hornsby 3283]

2 hours ago, TexasMan said:

 

Holy shit. Portnoy is off his rocker with this take. Says this is a rogue AV club and that Michigan has 6 superbowl rings and everyone can eat their ass. lol wut

[statsman 5482]

College football badly needs NFL style headsets. 
 
As mentioned in Paul Wadlington’s podcast, we need to know which coaches are voting against them. 

Edited October 27, 2023 by statsman

[Nicole44 22078]

Makes that game even cooler in my book. I just thought watching a great game where TCU is playing over their skis. We didn’t know at the time that TCU was fucking with the sign stealers. That adds an extra level of awesome to that game.

[Helobious 9464]

2 hours ago, Hmbre97 said:

This makes way more sense now. This is basically a carbon copy of the 'Tom Herman finds OU playsheet that Leach planted' story. Fucking LOL

So TCU was dominating the game through the first half by fucking with Michigan’s sign stealing system. Sounds like Michigan only rallied when they ditched it and had to play more straight up. 
 

There’s some kind of deep moral lesson in there.

[The_Great_Hornsby 3283]

17 minutes ago, Helobious said:

So TCU was dominating the game through the first half by fucking with Michigan’s sign stealing system. Sounds like Michigan only rallied when they ditched it and had to play more straight up. 
 

There’s some kind of deep moral lesson in there.

This take is retarded. So the sign stealing affected Michigan's offense? I think this is reading into the affect a bit too much. 

[C-Man 27271]

1 hour ago, statsman said:

College football badly needs NFL style headsets. 
 
As mentioned in Paul Wadlington’s podcast, we need to know which coaches are voting against them. 

Joel Klatt was on The Ticket this week and said basically the same thing. Said the Michigan thing isn’t that big a deal since so many are doing this to some extent. They could put radios in the helmets ten years ago but none of the coaches who are doing this want to eliminate the need for signals, since they rely on stealing them.

[Vermin 3058]

49 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Joel Klatt was on The Ticket this week and said basically the same thing. Said the Michigan thing isn’t that big a deal since so many are doing this to some extent. They could put radios in the helmets ten years ago but none of the coaches who are doing this want to eliminate the need for signals, since they rely on stealing them.

They're all winning roulette players because they have a system.

[stork642 4498]

Just watched the highlights from last year’s OSU game.  No crashing the line on run plays. Just UM players making plays and dominating OSU on the line of scrimmage.  I’m not saying there wasn’t cheating going on but I didn’t even see one play where UM’s defense jumped routes like OU did to Texas this year.  Someone/NCAA needs to probably take a close look a Brent V.  I don’t even blame him because any opposing coach should account for that shit.  But that dude is a known cheater.  Just sayin.  

[stork642 4498]

5 hours ago, TexasMan said:

 

I blame Notre Dame. 

[Juicy 727]

Today's info drop is going to be hilarious. Can't believe this is going on for a whole week. 

[Frank Drebin 5658]

 

 

[ClubWhatever 12158]

It's a good thing players were told to ignore the dummy signs.  That could have been mayhem on the field. 

[Laxtonto 12121]

This right here is why this whole thing has to be taken care of...

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That’s an entire scheme, which took TCU a month of bowl prep to replace. You can’t ask kids to learn 50 new signs in a week.

 

Edited October 27, 2023 by Laxtonto

[Jebus 1330]

Tell me again why we don't just have radios in the helmets?  Or playcall wristbands that could easily be changed out at any time?

[Laxtonto 12121]

2 minutes ago, Jebus said:

Tell me again why we don't just have radios in the helmets?  Or playcall wristbands that could easily be changed out at any time?

 

The old complaint with radio was cost. Now it is because there are many schools that steal signs well and so they vote against it using cost at the lower levels of the FBS and FCS