Jim Harbaugh NO LONGER coaches at Michigan

[JBJ 3655]

1 hour ago, Bateshorn said:

So at the risk of outing myself as an amoral DC swamp dweller who will do anything to defend their client....

Michigan is taking a page from the modern crisis management playbook: Accuse your accusers, threaten legal action, get politicians to bully your opponent, muddy the narrative, play the persecution card.    The old days of do the right thing and get in front of the scandal died on the second tuesday in November of 2016.  Also, the NCAA is such a limp dick fuck up, it couldn't get laid in a whore house on pay day. 

I agree with the sentiment but the Clinton-Lewinski scandal was back in 1997.

[NWBuck 8571]

2 hours ago, Hornlover said:

In the end, all the legal posturing and bullshit about whether or not Harbaugh knew or whether Day turned them in, or who else was also stealing signs are all smoke designed to obfuscate the issue. All that matters is that:

1. There is ample evidence that Michigan Football broke the rules
2. Jim Harbaugh is the head coach, and he is ultimately responsible for what goes on in his organization

So all of the other shit about what anybody else was doing and whether or not Harbaugh knew doesn't matter. He's the responsible party.

[Herpa Derpa 6126]

54 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I agree with the sentiment but the Clinton-Lewinski scandal was back in 1997.

I believe he meant Watergate.

[lilMAC25 3795]

2 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

So would the Eagles/Giants/Redskins fans 

I am still hoping that Jimmah stay at UM - because if you put the recency bias/cheating years behind you his record is:
He can beat the bad teams but struggled against good teams, now the struggle is gone. What do you think changed?

vs. Ohio St - 2-6
vs MSU  - 5-4 (and except for 2 years we have sucked since 2016)
vs Penn St - 6-2
vs Notre Dame - 1-1
bowl games - 1-6

Excluding the last 2 years of their cheating 
OSU 0-6
MSU 3-4
PSU 4-2
bowl games - 1-4 ( I guess it is harder to chaat in bowl games)

Dude took a QB who wanted to be a political activist more than he wanted to make millions being a QB to the Super Bowl…

 

He’d kill it at Dallas.

[Helobious 9462]

Harbaugh can very easily argue he was still a good coach before stallions came along. Stallions took him to the next level.

 

[Leanderman 2275]

The NCAA will soon have their top man on this case, no worries

[Tony Two K 600]

1 hour ago, Herpa Derpa said:

I believe he meant Watergate.

Definitely Teapot Dome Scandal.

[Gil Bang 25975]

 

[Viper 12109]

 

[UTEE97 3522]

2 hours ago, Helobious said:

Harbaugh can very easily argue he was still a good coach before stallions came along. Stallions took him to the next level.

 

Given how awful that conference has been, I don't know if his record before the cheating was "good." He lost most of the games that mattered. 

[chainsaw 9870]

47 minutes ago, Viper said:

 

It's not plagiarism it's enhanced legal research.

[Gil Bang 25975]

 

[Stringer 1439]

 

It’s probably just the same person. We have approximately 5,000 lawyers here, so I’m sure UM has some on their boards.

[Viper 12109]

21 minutes ago, Stringer said:

It’s probably just the same person. We have approximately 5,000 lawyers here, so I’m sure UM has some on their boards.

 

 

[redswingline 1057]

My favorite memory of michigan was watching their kick returner get blown up by pedophile state's kicker

 

[Js1 85407]

31 minutes ago, redswingline said:

My favorite memory of michigan was watching their kick returner get blown up by pedophile state's kicker

 

[UTEE97 3522]

22 minutes ago, Js1 said:

That facial expression is priceless!

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

Not that I have any idea how this works, but I’m surprised that some enterprising lawyer hasn’t filed a class action suit against UM on behalf of every fan who has purchased a ticket in the last 3 years. Home or away. UM fan or not. When you buy a ticket for a game, you expect a fair contest on the field and not a fixed game.

And while I’m uncertain who would win, a $200-300m lawsuit would get UM’s attention. It also could start to create a UM vs Harbaugh scenario because UM’s best legal defense could be that they also did not know about the cheating and therefore they’re not the party to be sued.

and the lawsuit amount could be even higher since some fans have bought tickets on the secondary market. 

 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3286]

10 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

You do that with Texags and the judge is gonna send you to the work camp from Holes

 

[Wally Fairway 5559]

This story has become a big fucking tease - I am thinking the only team that is going to get punished is CMU for having Stalions on their sidelins

[WBT 20614]

How is Michigan only favored by 4.5 this week?

[Beau Vine 54254]

15 hours ago, Gil Bang said:

 

That story would make Harbaugh look worse if it were anyone but Neuheisel.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

 

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10301]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

Lol... that'll discourage others. Why not suspend the backup long snapper too while they are at it to show them they are serious.

[JesusSweatDuck 17784]

17 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

 

What a bunch of pussies. 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

This would be a Big 10 punishment, not NCAA. 3 game suspension under the rule they're using while on the surface to us seems lame it is actually the most severe punishment ever. Usually it's just fines and such. NCAA could still come in and hand punishment down as well once they conclude. 

Edited November 10, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[ClubWhatever 12145]

Neuheisel is a rough 62

[markstanco 12577]

17 hours ago, Helobious said:

Harbaugh can very easily argue he was still a good coach before stallions came along. Stallions took him to the next level.

 

WOW.

Also, if the Astros see that stat, he wont be unemployed for long.  

[HenryJames 66120]

Did Hayes Fawcett do that picture of Harbaugh?

[heso 2813]

1 hour ago, WBT said:

How is Michigan only favored by 4.5 this week?

Because UM hasn’t played anyone yet, their run game has appeared less dominant than it was last year, psu is #1 in run defense at like 1.8 yds/play, and also #1 in sacks. Every other team has sold out to stop the run against UM but not had the talent to stop the pass while doing that. PSU might be able to. They probably can for a half, but if their offense is as bad as it was against OSU, the D wears down in the 2nd half and UM runs away. 

Had PSU not gotten called for D holding on a sack fumble return for a TD that instead gave OSU a 1st down at like the 15 yard line where they scored a couple of plays later, PSU probably wins that game, is ranked top 3, and favored by 4.5. Shoulda, coulda, woulda. 

Most likely scenario is something like UM up 10-6 at halftime and then winning like 27-13. 

[Parliament 14260]

1 hour ago, WBT said:

How is Michigan only favored by 4.5 this week?

They have a very good team, who is very good even without their HC.  Or cheating.  Gonna be a big tune-in factor for that one.

[Rio Don 104]

1 hour ago, HenryJames said:

Did Hayes Fawcett do that picture of Harbaugh?

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Edited November 10, 2023 by Rio Don
I'm old and can't get the gif to attach

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

Wouldn't be shocked if the Big Ten suspends Harbaugh. But it can be served at the beginning of 2024 season.

[closetohumping 17449]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&amp;White said:

 

 

This couldn’t wait till Sunday?  Personal vendetta vs Jim 

[pops 7003]

1 hour ago, BurntOrange&amp;White said:

This would be a Big 10 punishment, not NCAA. 3 game suspension under the rule they're using while on the surface to us seems lame it is actually the most severe punishment ever. Usually it's just fines and such. NCAA could still come in and hand punishment down as well once they conclude. 

Yeah..... the ncaa will bring the hammer down. Just ask Bill self. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

I get that some feel that a suspension today is unfair with a big game tomorrow but maybe Harbaugh shouldn't have cheated in the first place. When guilty you don't get to set the type and date of your punishment.  Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time.

Edited November 10, 2023 by Nice Guy Eddie

[Tex Long 4401]

Expect strengthening  rumors of Meatchicken moving to Big 12. You saw it here first.

[The_Great_Hornsby 3250]

Just saw an article on ESPN saying that we should embrace the scandal and that the sign stealing was "fun and harmless". WTF

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38857942/michigan-sign-stealing-embrace-villain-role

[Not a cat 5660]

1 minute ago, Tex Long said:

Expect strengthening  rumors of Meatchicken moving to Big 12. You saw it here first.

If this actually happens I'm going to also need some powerball numbers from you.  I'll put half of winnings into Texas NIL, I promise.

[MrBig 5414]

Sources allege Big Ten referees were seen with Big 12 ref Kevin Mar. Michigan will be watching the officiating closely as they cannot blame the absence of their sign stealing operation when their season goes off the rails. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

There is a lot of talk from apologists who are saying that no punishments should be handed down until all of the evidence is known. The evidence will never be known unless Harbaugh, Minter and Stalions agree to cooperate.  The NCAA and the Big Ten have no method to compel them to talk, and the 3 have no reason to talk to those organizations.

And for people that want to laugh this off, if the sign stealing wasn't a big deal and didn't impact the play on the field, then why did Michigan do it?

[Tex Long 4401]

9 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

If this actually happens I'm going to also need some powerball numbers from you.  I'll put half of winnings into Texas NIL, I promise.

 12 and 42

You're welcome.

[Pam Cummings 9645]

41 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

There is a lot of talk from apologists who are saying that no punishments should be handed down until all of the evidence is known. The evidence will never be known unless Harbaugh, Minter and Stalions agree to cooperate.  The NCAA and the Big Ten have no method to compel them to talk, and the 3 have no reason to talk to those organizations.

And for people that want to laugh this off, if the sign stealing wasn't a big deal and didn't impact the play on the field, then why did Michigan do it?

Yep. Certain people think this is a murder trial or something where we have to have a clear and direct link of Stalions handing Harbaugh a binder full of signals and Stalions saying "here's those signals you told me to steal, coach" and Harbaugh saying "thank you for following my very specific instructions to illegally steal these signals, Connor".

Edited November 10, 2023 by Pam Cummings

[UTEE97 3522]

Michigan can't hide under the lone wolf argument. The cheating occured by a paid member of the staff who ultimately reports to Harbaugh and the AD. They benefited from this scheme more than the "lone wolf" who had to have a side hustle to make ends meet while Harbaugh and the university made millions. Not hard to understand unless you are a Michigan fan.

[PittsburghTiger 6190]

1 hour ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Just saw an article on ESPN saying that we should embrace the scandal and that the sign stealing was "fun and harmless". WTF

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38857942/michigan-sign-stealing-embrace-villain-role

I was just going to post the same. He makes very light of this all.

[Tex Long 4401]

18 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yep. Certain people think this is a murder trial or something ...

Murder? No. But millions of dollars? Yep. 

It seems that quite a lot of coaches have opinions that having scouts at future opponents' games is not at all uncommon. The fact is, the prohibition is against attending the games at all, and not whether cameras are used. Banning cameras, mics and such is a separate rule, having  to do with in-game activities. I'd be surprised if Meatchicken hasn't been violating that as well, but that's not been mentioned.

I'm guessing that the admission - or at least, characterization - that NFL football is "entertainment", which obviates a presumption of "fairness" may well lie at the heart of the matter in this case.

Are we not entertained?

[UTEE97 3522]

 

 

[Magus Ossis 2802]

Lots of this has been said, but I will add my voice in concurrence:

1. Trying to obtain advantages including by stealing signs is not the issue. Everybody tries to steal signs because only an idiot does not want intelligence before an engagement. The issue here is seeking and gaining advantage by KNOWINGLY and WILLFULLY violating a published and objective rule over a period of YEARS.

2. Michigan is showing its colors as dirty. The instinct to sling mud and cover up is shameful. Is this what they want to teach their students to do when caught in misbehavior?

3. Who cares who ratted them out and what relationships existed among those who caught Michigan cheating. The issue is the cheating.

4. If no punishment is meted out for this cheating, why not set up electronic snooping for the helmet communications in the future? Why not bribe opposing coaches to reveal game information? Why have rules at all? The point of consequences is not always merely the bulwark against the specific infraction at hand, but rather to reinforce the notion that rules exist and we should play fair.

5. This is a big deal. Statistics show Michigan fares far better in key metrics when cheating. People's livelihoods are made and broken based on how college football games turn out. Draft positions go up and down; coaches are fired or given raises; etc. Literally millions of dollars change hands in ways directly influenced by these scores and statistics. For anyone who knowingly lied about the behavior and profited as a result, we are now potentially talking about actual fraud.

6. The choice between immediate and delayed consequences, between up-front response and "letting things play out" is a false dichotomy. It is both possible and appropriate to apply an initial consequence with the intent to select a final punishment once the scope of the misbehavior is better understood. Those pushing to wait are really pushing to avoid consequences now (when the cheating is truly bearing fruit) and hope never to face them at all with the passage of enough time.

7. NCAA ,B1G, and all persons (natural and otherwise) harmed by this cheating need to hold Michigan's and the coaching staff's feet to the fire to come clean and cooperate fully. All punishments need to be on the table. If a years-long interstate cheating ring isn't worth investigating, the next cheater in line will take this to levels we probably can't even imagine.

[Nice Guy Eddie 13515]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

Yep. Certain people think this is a murder trial or something where we have to have a clear and direct link of Stalions handing Harbaugh a binder full of signals and Stalions saying "here's those signals you told me to steal, coach" and Harbaugh saying "thank you for following my very specific instructions to illegally steal these signals, Connor".

Yes, This is why you see ex-Michigan folks and some "impartial" commentators who are asking for a pause to let this play out. Let's not rush to judgment. Everyone should have their chance to defend themselves. Blah blah blah.

Their playbook:

Step 1: Deny

Step 2: Raise the bar to proving the case. Equate it to due process for a criminal.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit

Harbaugh should be suspended for the remainder of the season, or at least through the Big Ten Championship game. Unsure if the Big Ten has any say over bowls and definitely does not have a say in the CFP. Then if the NCAA also wants to punish Michigan, they will vacate all of the victories over the last 3 years. Which only impact the all-time win record that Michigan owns. 

 

 

[Pescado_Rojo 19423]

I wonder how far down the polls they will drop with a loss to Pedo State this weekend. I bet they get hammered so that even if they manage to beat OSU, they would still be out of the playoff.