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Michigan seems like it is picking the wrong battle.  Ultimately this is a fairly limp wristed rap on the back of the thighs and they have already been without Harbaugh for multiple games this year.  Seems like you would make your statement strenuously objecting and then take the punishment and let it all die down knowing the NCAA ain't likely to do dick and even if they were to do dick it would move so slow that the rest of the season could simply play out.  

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Michigan calls this a hasty action. The only hasty action that I've seen so far is that Stalions resigned or was asked to resigned from Michigan.

And if UM and Harbaugh want to defend themselves, put Harbaugh and Minter in a press conference where they agree to answer any and all questions from the national media. This doesn't appear to meet the standards of any state or federal crime, so they have nothing to fear if they're truly innocent.

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19 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

would they be in the big 10 title? Does big still do divisions this year or would Penn St/Ohio St be the championship if both win out?

In that scenario it would roll down to the 5th tie breaker which is the cumulative conference record of cross division opponents. 

PSU - Iowa, Illinois, NW 8-10

UM - Minn, Pur, Neb 7-11

OSU - Wisc, Minn, Pur 7-11

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11 minutes ago, heso said:

In that scenario it would roll down to the 5th tie breaker which is the cumulative conference record of cross division opponents. 

PSU - Iowa, Illinois, NW 8-10

UM - Minn, Pur, Neb 7-11

OSU - Wisc, Minn, Pur 7-11

Too late to edit, but winner of the tie breaker represents the east in the ccg, probably Iowa from the west. 

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https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/university-michigan/wolverines/2023/11/10/michigan-intends-to-seek-a-court-order-against-big-ten/71535531007/

 

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Michigan intends to seek a court order against Big Ten over Jim Harbaugh suspension

Jared Ramsey
Detroit Free Press
 

The University of Michigan vowed a "immediate" legal response in a statement in response to the Big Ten announcement that football coach Jim Harbaugh has been suspended for the final three games of the regular season for the Wolverines' sign-stealing scandal

In a statement released Friday afternoon, the school said it was dismayed by Harbaugh's three-game ban, which will cover Saturday's game against No. 9 Penn State as well as games against Maryland on Nov. 18 and Ohio State on Nov. 25 (though Harbaugh will be allowed to coach during the week).

Michigan released the statement shortly after the team's flight landed in State College, Pennsylvania, ahead of Saturday's game. The punishment was announced while the team, and Harbaugh, were in the air.

"Like all members of the Big Ten Conference, we are entitled to a fair, deliberate, and thoughtful process to determine the full set of facts before a judgment is rendered," the statement reads. "Today's action by Commissioner Tony Petitti disregards the Conference's own handbook, violates the basic tenets of due process, and sets an untenable precedent of assessing penalties before an investigation has been completed. We are dismayed by the Commissioner's rush to judgment when there is an ongoing NCAA investigation — one in which we are fully cooperating.

"Commissioner Petitti's hasty action today suggests that this is more about reacting to pressure from other Conference members than a desire to apply rules fairly and impartially. By taking action at this hour, the Commissioner is personally inserting himself onto the sidelines and altering the level playing field that he is claiming to preserve. And doing so on Veteran's Day — a court holiday — to try to thwart the University from seeking immediate judicial relief is hardly a profile of impartiality. To ensure fairness in the process, we intend to seek a court order, together with coach Harbaugh, preventing this disciplinary action from taking effect."

In a statement released earlier Friday, the league said it has found U-M in violation of the Big Ten's sportsmanship policy "for conducting an impermissible, in-person scouting operation over multiple years, resulting in an unfair competitive advantage that compromised the integrity of competition."

It is unclear currently whether or not Michigan will be able to file a preliminary injunction before tomorrow's game so Harbaugh can continue coaching due to the federal holiday. If an injunction is granted, the suspension would be delayed until the conclusion of the legal battle.

If the suspension stands, Michigan would get Harbaugh back for a potential Big Ten championship game appearance, should the Wolverines make it, as well as a potential bowl game.

The suspension is the second of the season for Harbaugh, who missed the first three games of 2023 under a school-imposed sanction related to alleged NCAA violations in recruiting during the COVID-19 dead period and not cooperating fully with the NCAA during its investigation of said violations. The Wolverines won all three games under a rotation of interim coaches: Defensive coordinator Jesse Minter was in charge for Week 1's win over UNLV; special teams coordinator Jay Harbaugh and running backs coach Mike Hart coached the first and second halves, respectively, of U-M's victory over East Carolina; and offensive coordinator Sherrone Moore was in charge for Week's 3's win over Bowling Green.

Michigan has not announced a potential interim coach for the latest three-game ban for Harbaugh.

 

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9 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I haven’t read the actual punishment. Sounds like he can’t be on the sidelines for the game. Could he argue a loophole and be in the booth during the game?

I haven’t read it either but from comments I’ve seen, he’s not allowed to be at the venue on game day. 

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3 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

Does this guy have a Jeffrey Epstein profile pic?

Nah, looks like he got the wording in his post from this article or similar place:

https://fremonttribune.com/sports/college/michigan-going-to-court-to-block-big-tens-three-game-suspension-of-coach-jim-harbaugh/article_1630de69-dac3-5e28-84bb-8ac54f929afa.html

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Michigan going to court to block Big Ten's three-game suspension of coach Jim Harbaugh

Angelique S. Chengelis and Tony Paul, The Detroit News

While up in the air, Jim Harbaugh got knocked out of the game.

The Big Ten announced Friday afternoon that it has suspended Michigan's head football coach for the final three regular-season games, starting with Saturday's much-anticipated matchup at Penn State. The conference said Harbaugh won't be allowed to be at the stadium for the final three games, at Penn State and Maryland, and the home finale, against Ohio State. Harbaugh will continue to be allowed to oversee practices leading up to games.

The Big Ten, in announcing the suspension, said it was unmoved by Michigan's response to allegations of an elaborate sign-stealing scheme.
The suspension was levied while Michigan was in the air en route to State College, Pa. The university quickly responded with a strongly worded statement.

"Like all members of the Big Ten Conference, we are entitled to a fair, deliberate and thoughtful process to determine the full set of facts before a judgment is rendered," the university said in a statement. "Today's action by Commissioner Tony Petitti disregards the conference's own handbook, violates basic tenets of due process, and sets an untenable precedent of assessing penalties before an investigation has been completed.

"We are dismayed at the commissioner's rush to judgment when there is an ongoing NCAA investigation — one in which we are fully cooperating."
Harbaugh's lawyer, Tom Mars, also had no immediate comment, saying in a text message to The Detroit News, "I'm going to be tied up for the next few hours."

Michigan said in its statement it will go to court to seek a temporary restraining order.

The Big Ten, in a 13-page letter to Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel, said while there was no direct evidence linking Harbaugh to the alleged scheme — it was said to be organized by staffer Connor Stalions, who has since resigned after allegedly purchasing tickets for associates to attend games of future UM opponents and videotape their sidelines — Harbaugh deserves the punishment as the face of the program.

The Big Ten said it made its decision based on evidence received from the NCAA, which first began investigating the allegations last month.
The Big Ten also said it found no evidence that other programs were sharing information to decode Michigan's signs, "let alone a scheme of the size and scale like the one at issue here."

Sign stealing is not prohibited, but in-person scouting is not allowed by the NCAA.
"The extensive information obtained by the conference has led me, in my capacity as conference commissioner, to conclude that the university violated the sportsmanship policy," Petitti said in a letter to Manuel on Friday. "That policy requires the commissioner to determine the appropriate discipline 'as expeditiously as possible.'"

Last week, Petitti held virtual calls with Big Ten coaches and athletic directors, and he met with Michigan president Santa Ono and Manuel. Ono, prior to the meeting, sent Petitti a strongly worded letter urging him to let due process play out before making any decisions.

Petitti has the authority to discipline under the league’s sportsmanship policy, but for punishment exceeding a two-game suspension, there must be approval of the Joint Group Executive Committee (JGEC), and according to the policy, there is no right to appeal.

Lawyers representing Harbaugh and Michigan have been prepared to take legal action and potentially block the suspension by filing a motion for a temporary restraining order, which would prevent the Big Ten from imposing the suspension before arguments are heard in court. Although Friday is the observation of Veterans Day, a federal holiday, judges were available for what are considered emergency decisions, though Michigan's statement alleged Petitti was announcing the decision on that day "to try to thwart the university from seeking immediate judicial relief."
In the next step — likely after several weeks of building more evidence — the lawyers could seek a preliminary injunction.
Michael McCann, a professor of law at the University of New Hampshire, posted to Twitter/X early Friday that the Big Ten suspending Harbaugh less than 24 hours

before kickoff would benefit Michigan seeking a temporary restraining order.
“Michigan would say this was unnecessarily rushed and unfairly imposed last-minute, leaving (the) team not enough time before a big game,” McCann wrote.

A timeline was never set by the Big Ten in this matter that stems from an ongoing NCAA investigation that the conference announced on Oct. 19 into the alleged sign-stealing scheme. Petitti and the Big Ten sent Michigan a notice of potential disciplinary action under the league’s sportsmanship policy last Saturday, a day after Petitti met with Ono. Lawyers representing Michigan and Harbaugh sent responses of 10 pages and eight pages, respectively, to Petitti and the Big Ten just before 5 p.m. on Wednesday.

In the university’s response to the Big Ten, it argued there is no threat to sportsmanship or competitive balance that would require suspending Harbaugh. The response also said that the university is unaware of any instance when the sportsmanship policy “has ever been deployed as a backdoor way of holding an institution responsible for a rule violation that has not been established.” Harbaugh’s lawyers, in their letter obtained by The News, argued the Big Ten can’t punish Harbaugh when there is no evidence that he committed the “offensive behavior.” The letter is signed by lawyers Jeff Klein and Mars, who has represented Harbaugh in a previous unresolved NCAA investigation, as well as this current issue involving Stalions.

“The Big Ten rules do not permit the commissioner to impose liability on Coach Harbaugh after being informed by the NCAA that it has found no evidence that he was in any way implicated in Connor Stalion’s alleged misconduct,” the letter from Harbaugh’s lawyers reads.

“This finding is consistent with both Coach Harbaugh’s statement immediately after this matter came to his attention and the statement released thereafter by Connor Stalions’ lawyer.”

The university issued a statement Thursday that reinforced comments made by Ono to Petitti that urged fairness as the commissioner considered the situation and that “conclusions are based on what actually happened.”

“We remain steadfast in our conviction that due process matters,” reads Michigan’s statement Thursday, provided by Kim Broekhuizen, director of UM public affairs. “Like all members of the Big Ten Conference, we are entitled to a fair, deliberate and thoughtful process to determine the full set of facts before judgment is made. We continue to fully cooperate with the NCAA and the Big Ten regarding this matter.

The discipline from the Big Ten is in response to an ongoing NCAA investigation into an alleged illegal sign-stealing scheme within the Michigan football program. Stalions, a former analyst on the football staff, is at the center of the investigation and last Friday resigned from his $55,000-a-year job. He had been placed on paid suspension on Oct. 20, a day after Yahoo Sports broke the story of the allegations.

Stalions, in a statement provided to The Athletic last Friday by his attorney, Brad Beckworth, did not link Harbaugh to any “improper conduct.”
“Connor also wants to make it clear that, to his knowledge, neither Coach Harbaugh, nor any other coach or staff member, told anyone to break any rules or were aware of improper conduct regarding the recent allegations of advanced scouting,” Beckworth said in the statement.

Michigan (9-0) is ranked No. 3 in the College Football Playoff rankings and is looking for a third straight Big Ten championship and appearance in the CFP. Harbaugh's suspension would end for the Big Ten championship game, which is set for Dec. 2 at Lucas Oil Stadium, where Petitti will hand the winning coach the Big Ten championship trophy. That coach for the last two years has been Harbaugh.

This is the second time Harbaugh has been suspended this season. He missed the first three games as school-imposed punishment for alleged recruiting violations as well as statements made to the NCAA.

Harbaugh also was allowed to coach the team during game week but not on game day.

"Commissioner Petitti's hasty action today suggests that this is more about reacting to pressure from other conference members than a desire to apply the rules fairly and impartially," Michigan said in its statement Friday.
 

 

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4 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

This right here.  He is going to be like Pete Carroll at USC and get out of town before the shit hits the fan.  He and Caleb Williams should work well together. 

Both of 'em headed for Cardinals. Caleb and Kyler in the same backfield, ultimate 2QB system. 

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The NCAA, B1G, and university all have evidence that the staffer/scout behind the scheme provided information that was received by Michigan coaches. 

Their arguments include "you can't move because we've not had time to review the evidence" However, they've had the evidence the same length of time as the conference. 

The University did not act on any of the information until engaged about this a second time by the conference. Then they suspended Stalions. 

And here's the part that I don't understand... 

The conference has evidence that the staffer/scout behind the scheme provided information that was received by Michigan coaches. 

But this suspension is only for Harbaugh, leaving gameday management of the team to the offensive and defensive coordinators who were most likely working directly Stalions. 

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32 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said:

I haven’t read the actual punishment. Sounds like he can’t be on the sidelines for the game. Could he argue a loophole and be in the booth during the game?

Here ya go:

https://bigten.org/documents/2023/11/10//Correspondence_from_conference_to_institution_dated_Nov_10_2023.pdf?id=9450

"For the reasons expressed herein, I have determined that the following disciplinary action against the University is appropriate:

Effective immediately, the University football team must compete without its Head Football Coach for the games remaining in the 2023 regular season. This disciplinary action shall not preclude the University or its football team from having its Head Football Coach attend practices or other football team activities other than the game activities to which it applies. For clarity, the Head Football Coach shall not be present at the game venue on the dates of the games to which this disciplinary action applies."

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Why should a Federal Court get involved in a conference matter? Gee Mo Neddie, are these not grown ups that have a conference, conference rules, etc. HOAs seem to operate for the most part. 

 

If I were the conference commissioner I would respond to Michigan's insertion comment as "You better believe I'm inserting myself in this issue. I am the commissioner! ".

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19 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Untenable precedent? Huh?

Doesn't seem that hard to just suspend any coach ever caught doing this in the future exactly three games. Seems like a pretty tenable precedent to me.

And isn't due process really only applicable to criminal proceedings? There are no laws that were broken outside of competitive rules put in place by the NCAA. The B1G should be able to kick Michigan in the nuts as much as it wants to and tell them to leave if they don't like it. 

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10 minutes ago, BachelorTrek said:

Where would they go if they left?

The Rig12? ACC? Pac-2?  Lulz.
The SEC? Sankey basically said he's happy with the current number of schools.

Not to mention other conferences also have these pesky things called rules that Michigan seems to think they’re the only victim of 

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I’m too lazy to look up the Big 10 bylaws concerning process on suspensions.  But, throwing the term “due process” indicates some constitutional right.  I’m not a Con law expert, but I don’t recall seeing some fundamental right in the U.S. constitution to coach college football as to life, liberty, property.  The government is not infringing on anything here.  Maybe it’s in the Michigan state constitution (sarcasm).

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10 minutes ago, 89Horn said:

I’m too lazy to look up the Big 10 bylaws concerning process on suspensions.  But, throwing the term “due process” indicates some constitutional right.  I’m not a Con law expert, but I don’t recall seeing some fundamental right in the U.S. constitution to coach college football as to life, liberty, property.  The government is not infringing on anything here.  Maybe it’s in the Michigan state constitution (sarcasm).

Yea, I take it this suspension isn't even touching whatever/however Khakis gets paid, which makes it even less likely that any court should be involved in this.  I'd also be watching this carefully from the student athlete perspective and how they do or don't get suspended for violation of team/conference/NCAA/etc rules.  I'd love to see some kid suspended for the first half of next weeks game due to targeting make the "that booth review ain't no due process bro" argument (and yea I know it can be appealed....just illustrative for effect).  What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  

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3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Yea, I take it this suspension isn't even touching whatever/however Khakis gets paid, which makes it even less likely that any court should be involved in this.  I'd also be watching this carefully from the student athlete perspective and how they do or don't get suspended for violation of team/conference/NCAA/etc rules.  I'd love to see some kid suspended for the first half of next weeks game due to targeting make the "that booth review ain't no due process bro". What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  

Targeting player:  “Excuse me referee.  I’m entitled to notice and an opportunity to be heard.  Please pause the game and set the matter for a hearing.

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4 minutes ago, immamac said:

Michigan should be like awesome thanks and let this just be the only thing that comes of it and move on. Instead they are being hilarious and playing the victim when they clearly cheated. The punishment is a huge nothing burger they should eat it with a smile. 

Hail to the Victims 

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