Jim Harbaugh NO LONGER coaches at Michigan

[The Hot Dog Buffet 1,291]

1 hour ago, Juicy said:

Jay has been finominle at every position group and special teams. He has definitely earned his shot. If it was him getting the nod for all 3 games and not 1 half you may be able to call nepotism but he has 100% earned to be able to coach 1 half of a football game. 

Finominle?

[Deej 76,565]

1 hour ago, Juicy said:

Jay has been finominle at every position group and special teams. He has definitely earned his shot. If it was him getting the nod for all 3 games and not 1 half you may be able to call nepotism but he has 100% earned to be able to coach 1 half of a football game. 

Sark coaches the first half of a lot of games. This is really nothing new. 

[Juicy 723]

28 minutes ago, The Hot Dog Buffet said:

Finominle?

if you dont know, I cant help you. 

[Tex Long 4,348]

3 hours ago, Deej said:

Sark coaches the first half of a lot of games. This is really nothing new. 

You're not wrong. 

 

[Kwix 2,186]

[Juicy 723]

 

[Parliament 14,134]

McCarthy is Johnny Manziel with more talent and less drug addiction.

[Francisco 2.0 32,333]

 

 

 

[Vertigo 20,267]

16 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

 

 

If Harbaugh blows this season with a stupid violation I am going to laugh. 

[4th&Five 41,460]

[Tex Long 4,348]

What section(s) of NC2A rules menton "sign stealing"?

[Vertigo 20,267]

13 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

What section(s) of NC2A rules menton "sign stealing"?

The NCAA is investigating the Michigan football program for allegedly violating rules that prohibit teams from scouting, in person, future opponents, industry sources told Yahoo Sports.

The allegation pertains to NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which reads: “Off-campus, in-person scouring of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited,” sources say.

[Tex Long 4,348]

7 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

The NCAA is investigating the Michigan football program for allegedly violating rules that prohibit teams from scouting, in person, future opponents, industry sources told Yahoo Sports.

The allegation pertains to NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, which reads: “Off-campus, in-person scouring of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited,” sources say.

What if you only rub them a little bit - no scouring?

 

[Wally Fairway 5,522]

NCAA is going to have serious and severe penalties for this, most likely will punish Western Michigan, Central or Eastern to set an example that this will not be tolerated

[BabaYaga 15,212]

How do you even prove this happened minus written admissions by the meatchicken staff?

Did they see some GA on the grassy knoll?

[Helobious 9,481]

So it’s ok for the Astros to do it but no one else? Got it

[Pam Cummings 9,579]

So what would this look like? Is Michigan sending a person or people to the games of future opponents and having them record the signs the teams are using, and piecing together what the signs mean later based on the play they see on tape? I dont like that, not at all.

[TKthunder2 4,980]

2 minutes ago, Helobious said:

So it’s ok for the Astros to do it but no one else? Got it

Houston won something. We mostly let winners slide as a society.

[Pam Cummings 9,579]

6 minutes ago, Helobious said:

So it’s ok for the Astros to do it but no one else? Got it

Nah, it'll probably be OK for Mich too.

[4th&Five 41,460]

[Tex Long 4,348]

I'm wondering how many surlys actually believe scouting future opponents is unethical or illegal in some form or another? It's okay to watch videos but not to go to the games? It's only okay to watch videos if someone else takes them? What if the game is on TV - can you not watch it? Is it okay to watch it but not record it?

You might've noticed that fucking near every coach on the sidelines covers his mouth while he's talking to players or other coaches... you reckon they think lip-readers might be watching? You reckon they think it's possible because they do it themselves? How many unethical potential criminals are there - no, probably easier to count the ones who don't do it.

 

[PilotsError 2,282]

6 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

I'm wondering how many surlys actually believe scouting future opponents is unethical or illegal in some form or another? It's okay to watch videos but not to go to the games? It's only okay to watch videos if someone else takes them? What if the game is on TV - can you not watch it? Is it okay to watch it but not record it?

You might've noticed that fucking near every coach on the sidelines covers his mouth while he's talking to players or other coaches... you reckon they think lip-readers might be watching? You reckon they think it's possible because they do it themselves? How many unethical potential criminals are there - no, probably easier to count the ones who don't do it.

 

the NCAA is like the feds, they only go after those who won’t or can’t fight back. Michigan has proven they’ll cooperate and submit to the NCAA so it’ll keep happening. 

[Evil Bill Obrien 3,190]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

Astros fans to Michigan Fans:

[Texasrocks 2,124]

13 minutes ago, Tex Long said:

It's okay to watch videos but not to go to the games? It's only okay to watch videos if someone else takes them? What if the game is on TV - can you not watch it? Is it okay to watch it but not record it?

Just ask Jimbo - it's always better watching live.

[Francisco 2.0 32,333]

Apparently, this came about from the Michigan-Rutgers game last month:

 

 

 

And this might be a big deal:

https://theathletic.com/4978212/2023/10/19/michigan-football-sign-stealing-michigan-state/?source=twitterhq

 

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The league claims that Michigan, as one source with knowledge of the allegation said, is using a “vast network” to steal opposing teams’ signs. The league told Michigan State it has reviewed film that shows UM clearly knowing what play an opposing team is going to run before the play occurs.

 

 

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Upon learning of the pending investigation, Michigan State initially warned the Big Ten it might consider not playing Saturday’s game out of concern for health and safety for its players, according to two sources briefed on those conversations. On Thursday morning, MSU confirmed it will play the game.

 

 

 

[Hornius Emeritus 12,419]

1 hour ago, Pam Cummings said:

So what would this look like? Is Michigan sending a person or people to the games of future opponents and having them record the signs the teams are using, and piecing together what the signs mean later based on the play they see on tape? I dont like that, not at all.

I'm not saying it's aliens, but ...

[BabaYaga 15,212]

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Apparently, this came about from the Michigan-Rutgers game last month:

 

 

 

And this might be a big deal:

https://theathletic.com/4978212/2023/10/19/michigan-football-sign-stealing-michigan-state/?source=twitterhq

 

 

 

 

 

And they still lose to crap-tastic TCU.  We'll see

[4th&Five 41,460]

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10,145]

I never realized it wasn't allowed. I assumed coaches did all the sideline theatrics because they knew coaches were stealing signs.

[Thatguy 8,502]

8 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I never realized it wasn't allowed. I assumed coaches did all the sideline theatrics because they knew coaches were stealing signs.

 

[The Dog 43,803]

 

[The Dog 43,803]

 

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2,868]

On 8/25/2023 at 9:08 AM, Juicy said:

finominle

Indeed.

[Evil Bill Obrien 3,190]

Every once in a while Reddit is still rather good...and I found just such a moment:
 

Props to that guy for showing up to take his lumps

[MontereyMX 848]

2 hours ago, TKthunder2 said:

Houston won something. We mostly let winners slide as a society.

Yep ‘ losers don’t get their dick sucked”

[Upgrayedd 5,805]

2 hours ago, PilotsError said:

the NCAA is like the feds, they only go after those who won’t or can’t fight back. Michigan has proven they’ll cooperate and submit to the NCAA so it’ll keep happening. 

Great

[Gil Bang 25,898]

2 hours ago, Tex Long said:

I'm wondering how many surlys actually believe scouting future opponents is unethical or illegal in some form or another? It's okay to watch videos but not to go to the games? It's only okay to watch videos if someone else takes them? What if the game is on TV - can you not watch it? Is it okay to watch it but not record it?

You might've noticed that fucking near every coach on the sidelines covers his mouth while he's talking to players or other coaches... you reckon they think lip-readers might be watching? You reckon they think it's possible because they do it themselves? How many unethical potential criminals are there - no, probably easier to count the ones who don't do it.

 

 

 

[closetojumping 62,239]

1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

And they still lose to crap-tastic TCU.  We'll see

That actually might confirm that there's merit to the allegations. They didn't know who they'd be playing in the playoffs, so how could they have worked on TCU long enough to be able to break down their signal calling system?

[Pam Cummings 9,579]

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

That actually might confirm that there's merit to the allegations. They didn't know who they'd be playing in the playoffs, so how could they have worked on TCU long enough to be able to break down their signal calling system?

The thought has crossed my mind that they cant be the only team that does it, or that their version of aggie(MSU) could be behind this. But, what you said here is definitely interesting.

[4th&Five 41,460]

[Mr. Drummond 2,183]

I honestly didn't know this was illegal.   Even in the 80s we used fake signs and dummy calls all the time for this very reason.    

[torre 1,284]

The NCAA is investigating the University of Michigan football program amid allegations of sign-stealing, the Big Ten announced Thursday.

“U-M Athletics will offer its complete cooperation to the NCAA in this matter,” athletic director Warde Manuel said in a statement Thursday. “At the University of Michigan, all of us are committed to the highest standards of ethics and integrity for all members of our community. This is the same expectation I have of all coaches, staff, and student-athletes.”

The Big Ten approached Michigan State on Wednesday, ahead of this weekend’s matchup between the rivals in East Lansing, with what the league described as “credible evidence” that the Wolverines have successfully stolen signs called by opposing teams’ coaches this season.

Athletic article:

 

The NCAA is investigating Michigan “over possible rule-breaking around in-person scouting of opponents,” according to an industry source briefed on the matter. According to NCAA Bylaw 11.6.1, off-campus, in-person scouting of future opponents (in the same season) is prohibited.

Manuel spoke with conference commissioner Tony Petitti on Wednesday. According to a source with knowledge of the allegations, as of noon Thursday, Michigan had yet to be presented with evidence compiled by the conference.

The Big Ten claims that Michigan, as one source with knowledge of the allegation said, is using a “vast network” to steal opposing teams’ signs. The league told Michigan State it has reviewed film that indicates UM had knowledge of what play an opposing team was going to run before the play occurs.

“The Big Ten Conference considers the integrity of competition to be of utmost importance and will continue to monitor the investigation,” the league said in a statement Thursday.

Upon learning of the pending investigation, Michigan State initially warned the Big Ten it might consider not playing Saturday’s game out of concern for health and safety for its players, according to two sources briefed on those conversations. On Thursday morning, MSU confirmed it will play the game. Michigan’s upcoming opponents were notified of the allegations and games are expected to take place as planned, an industry source said Thursday.

Sign-stealing is not prohibited by the NCAA, unless a team intercepts in-game electronic communication. But it has a long history, with decades of accusations and allegations in college football.

Prominently, in 2020, Clemson was touted as the best sign-stealing program in college football. Prior to the 2020 Sugar Bowl, Ohio State head coach Ryan Day said Clemson defensive coordinator Brent Venables “seems to always know exactly what the other team is doing.”

Arizona State coach Todd Graham was accused by both Washington and Utah of signal-stealing in 2015. At halftime of a 2014 game, Kansas State coach Bill Snyder accused Auburn of sign-stealing. A year prior, Auburn was accused by Florida State of sign-stealing in the BCS championship game. The list goes on.

The question facing Michigan is if these recent allegations go beyond on-field sign-stealing.

Michigan is currently under NCAA investigation for a series of Level II rule violations relating to recruiting during a COVID dead period and statements to NCAA investigators. Coach Jim Harbaugh served a university-imposed three-game suspension.

 

https://theathletic.com/4978212/2023/10/19/michigan-football-sign-stealing-michigan-state/

[closetojumping 62,239]

I'm interested to see what people start coming up with after rewatching the Michigan/Rutgers game. For Schiano to be that convicted at the end of a half, shit had to be obvious to the trained eye. For them to report it to the NCAA, they had to have a visual blueprint of how and who was doing what for Michigan. It had to be compelling enough for the NCAA to start digging and now they're at a spot where think they've got the fucking guy. 

Harbaugh is like a more successful Tom Herman. He's hated by a lot of people, he thinks he's smarter than everyone else, and he doesn't think the rules apply to him. The guy visited Andrew Luck on campus at Stratford when there were no contact rules in place, and he did it easily and on multiple occasions. Someone who was there at the time said it was clear that that's just what Harbaugh did when he visited schools. That shit is illegal and the vast majority of coaches don't attempt it.

[Bateshorn 9,899]

Soooooo.. I assume the NCAA is also going to open an investigation to the 2001 Oklahoma Texas game as well.

 

[Royale with cheese 1,459]

3 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

NCAA is going to have serious and severe penalties for this, most likely will punish Western Michigan, Central or Eastern to set an example that this will not be tolerated

For those unfortunates not familiar with this scene, there's a bank holdup clearly visible through the window, and Clouseau is hassling the organ grinder for begging without a license. The monkey (aggy) has no relevance; it's just too good a fit to pass up. 

[The Dog 43,803]

The rule here is that you're not supposed to do "in person scouting". The reason they have the rule is for financial fair play reasons. 

Sounds like a stupid rule. Just give the QBs one way radios like they do in the NFL.

[Wilcox Cummingtonite 2,868]

3 hours ago, Helobious said:

So it’s ok for the Astros to do it but no one else? Got it

Forgot to log into your sock account @BeardIP again.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Wilcox Cummingtonite

[TexasHooch 5,117]

3 hours ago, Tex Long said:

I'm wondering how many surlys actually believe scouting future opponents is unethical or illegal in some form or another? It's okay to watch videos but not to go to the games? It's only okay to watch videos if someone else takes them? What if the game is on TV - can you not watch it? Is it okay to watch it but not record it?

 

My understanding is that the rule was actually enacted as an equitability/ cost saving measure in (I think) 1994.  What was happening at the time is that the big dogs were sending scouts in-person to do this kind of recon, but it was viewed as an issue of the haves vs the have-nots.  Notre Dame could send staff to Sister Mary's of the Poor games to pick apart their process, but Sister Mary's couldn't afford to do the same which, they say, created a competitive imbalance.  

That's why film and in-game scouting is fair game, but advanced in-person scouting is not. 

[Mr. Drummond 2,183]

Don't be a poor.

[gernblansten 3,188]

Back in 2015 when Lebby was coaching at he Baylor and he showed up in Tulsa gear at the OU v. Tulsa game this was the punishment:

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Baylor assistant coach Jeff Lebby will be suspended for the first half of the Bears’ game against Oklahoma on Nov. 14 for his presence on the sideline of last week’s Oklahoma-Tulsa game, reports NewsOK.com.

Lebby was on the Tulsa sideline scouting the Sooners ahead of their November matchup. Baylor athletic director Ian McCaw decided on Lebby’s suspension, and it was approved by Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby.

 

Lebby was in OKC for a wedding and went to the game to support Phillip Montgomery and didn't know he couldn't be there, so Briles said he wasn't going to punish him. So, the school and conference did.