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On 10/26/2023 at 11:33 AM, Juicy said:

Harbaugh has the one thing that has proven to hide the flaws of average coaches. A transcendent QB. Look at what Jimbo got from a season of Crab Legs. With or without the plays Michigan still has a boatload of seniors on the team, and a QB that is going to end up in New York on Heisman night. That is good enough to beat up on any of the teams in the big ten and at least get them back to the playoffs. 

A transcendent QB that threw 2 pick sixes in the biggest game of his career after acting like a bitch in the media prior to the game.

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10 minutes ago, Helobious said:

If you’re a betting person bet your entire life on Purdue beating Michigan next week. Purdue eats top 5 teams for lunch, and with all this distraction swirling it just makes perfect sense. 

 

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Just to be on the safe side, take the points.

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https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/38758564/ex-d-iii-coach-says-u-m-staffer-hired-record-future-big-10-foes

 

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Suspended Michigan football staffer Connor Stalions compensated at least one person for recording future Wolverine opponents with "a couple hundred dollars" and a ticket to a Michigan home game, according to the person.

The man, a former Division 3 football player and coach, spoke to ESPN on the condition that his name not be published because he was concerned about his privacy. He is the first person who was involved in the alleged cheating scheme to publicly share details about their role.

He said he attended three Big Ten games during the past two years to record the sidelines of a future Michigan opponent. He said he uploaded the videos he took on his personal cell phone to a shared iPhone photo album, but does not know who else other than Stalions had access to the album.

 

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He said he was wary of Stalions' plan "to a degree" when he was first approached to tape the games, but felt that if someone from Michigan's staff was asking him to do this that it must fall safely in the gray area of college football's sign-stealing rules.

"I didn't like it, but it's a gray line," he said. "You can call me naive, but no one is reading the bylaws. I'm not a contractual lawyer. ...I just felt like if you're not doing it, you're not trying to get ahead."

 

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It is against NCAA rules for staff members of a football program to scout games of future opponents in person. The NCAA football rulebook also prohibits "an opposing player, coach or other team personnel" from recording an opponent's signals through audio or video. The NCAA is investigating claims that Michigan used a large network of individuals to tape games of future opponents. Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh denied any knowledge of the alleged scheme in a statement last week. A Michigan spokesman added on Friday that "due to the ongoing investigation, no one from Michigan will be able to comment beyond what was shared last week."

 

 

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The source who spoke to ESPN Friday said he attended games at Rutgers and Penn State last season and another game at Penn State last month.

"I only did a half because it was pouring rain and they were playing UMass. It didn't pay well enough so I was like, 'yeah, I'm not staying here.'"

He said that before the news of the investigation was made public Stalions also provided him a ticket to this coming Saturday's game between Indiana and Penn State. He does not plan to attend.

 

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He said at the games he attended he filmed every drive from his seat in the stands about 15-20 rows above field level. He said he tried to film wide enough to include the sideline and the majority of the team's on-field formation so members of the Michigan staff would be able to sync his videos with other film and decode the team's signals. He said he was able to capture enough of the coaches on the sideline that their signals were visible for someone who zoomed in on the recorded video.

"A lot of people may say you can just rip that from the All-22 [wide-shot game film]. Well, it's not that easy," he said. "This makes it easier to mirror things up and get those tendencies."

He said for the three games he taped he received roughly $1,000 to cover his travel expenses and pay for his time. He said Stalions paid him from a personal Venmo account.

Stalions purchased tickets to at least 35 total games featuring 12 other Big Ten teams and several other potential College Football Playoff teams during the last three years, sources told ESPN earlier this week. The Washington Post reported earlier this week that investigators hired by an unknown source to look into Michigan's operation found evidence that the scouting trips were expected to cost more than $15,000 this year. Stalions, according to the university's website, received an annual salary of $55,000.

The source said he has not yet been contacted by any investigators from the NCAA or elsewhere.

ESPN contacted several other individuals this week whose names were connected to ticket purchases made by Stalions. One woman based in Jacksonville said she was friends with Stalions from their time together in the military but hung up abruptly when asked about attending last year's Florida-Georgia game in Jacksonville. One other former Michigan staff member, Andrew Barlage, was among the names connected to tickets purchased by Stalions. According to Barlage's LinkedIn page he was the head recruiting intern at Michigan in 2021 and worked as a graduate assistant for Akron's football program in 2022. He did not respond to multiple phone calls seeking comment.

The source who did speak with ESPN said he was not aware of how many people helped tape the games. He said he assumed someone else was helping to fund the trips, but that he only ever spoke to Stalions.

"I wasn't doing it for personal gain or hoping to get my foot in the door if Conor becomes a head coach someday," he said. "It was just I got to go to some Big Ten games, alright sweet. And everyone else I felt was doing it to some degree. It's a billion-dollar industry. You're going to work in the gray areas as best you can."

 

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33 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

One woman based in Jacksonville said she was friends with Stalions from their time together in the military but hung up abruptly when asked about attending last year's Florida-Georgia game in Jacksonville.

I knew there had to be a reason for our late season losses.

Let's go ahead and put FSU, and of course, Vandy on probation.

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So if you're Joe Blow, somewhat college football educated, do you go underground when the lawyers, investigators, and NCAA come knocking. I would spill my guts as soon and fast as I could. I ain't taking any kind of punishment or fine, or ridicule for any football program. as loyal as I may or may not be, not even the Longhorns would get my silence.

I guarantee that the electronic and money trail on this is out there and can be unraveled/revealed if someone really cares to find out. The new crooks of today are idiots.

Never in writing, never over the phone, always in cash, and if anyone asks you where you got the money(?) You tell them you won it in a crap game. Idiots.

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15 hours ago, Vertigo said:

What I don't want to see is that teams go to radios and then the coaches are giving them all of the pre snap reads and telling them where to throw up until the ball is snapped. It will incentivize teams to go up tempo again so that the coaches can make reads at the line once they see the defense. 

But even in the NFL they can go up tempo and keep talking to the QB...

"The communication shuts off with 15 seconds left on the play clock"

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1 hour ago, Victor R. Franko said:

Never in writing, never over the phone, always in cash, and if anyone asks you where you got the money(?) You tell them you won it in a crap game. Idiots.

You participate in a lot of legal craps games?  I prefer the dead Great Aunt I never knew from the other side of the country story. Leaves no room for questions.

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10 hours ago, John80 said:

Stallions bought a ticket to the UK-Tennessee game so I want to blame him for that loss and I want Tennessee to be put on probation for 100 years but I could accept 90 years.

Stallions:  Coach, I’ve got tickets facing UT bench, should I get one facing UK? 
 

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17 hours ago, Helobious said:

If you’re a betting person bet your entire life on Purdue beating Michigan next week. Purdue eats top 5 teams for lunch, and with all this distraction swirling it just makes perfect sense. 

LOL - what is this the stonk thread of football bets

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5 hours ago, Victor R. Franko said:

So if you're Joe Blow, somewhat college football educated, do you go underground when the lawyers, investigators, and NCAA come knocking. I would spill my guts as soon and fast as I could. I ain't taking any kind of punishment or fine, or ridicule for any football program. as loyal as I may or may not be, not even the Longhorns would get my silence.

I guarantee that the electronic and money trail on this is out there and can be unraveled/revealed if someone really cares to find out. The new crooks of today are idiots.

Never in writing, never over the phone, always in cash, and if anyone asks you where you got the money(?) You tell them you won it in a crap game. Idiots.

no honor, no code!  must be aggy

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14 hours ago, Leanderman said:

NY Giants or any NFL Team get in the bidding war now. Discount bargin bin in 3, 2 1.

(sad) Giants fan here. I don't know if it's the right move or not yet, but don't see them firing Daboll this season. And if they do, don't think Harbaugh is the guy I'd want them to hire. 

 

Love him but I've been saying Saquon was the wrong pick since the day they drafted him. Should've started the rebuild with a QB then. Daniel Jones blows. Been saying that since they drafted him too Thank god there's an out in that contract after next season. Glad that we see Tyrod again tomorrow, but don't think that anyone would be particularly good behind that shit OL. 

 

Keep losing. The higher the draft pick the better at this point.

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21 hours ago, Victor R. Franko said:

So if you're Joe Blow, somewhat college football educated, do you go underground when the lawyers, investigators, and NCAA come knocking. I would spill my guts as soon and fast as I could. I ain't taking any kind of punishment or fine, or ridicule for any football program. as loyal as I may or may not be, not even the Longhorns would get my silence.

I guarantee that the electronic and money trail on this is out there and can be unraveled/revealed if someone really cares to find out. The new crooks of today are idiots.

Never in writing, never over the phone, always in cash, and if anyone asks you where you got the money(?) You tell them you won it in a crap game. Idiots.

It's all a moot point as he did everything in his name from what I can tell. Glad to know, however, that Victor R. Franko wouldn't be a "friend of the program."

 

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Desmond argued yesterday that the sign stealing scandal was unfair to the Michigan players. The Gameday crew collectively gasped, but didn’t rebuke him.

It was obviously planted by Michigan officials as Desmond is too CTE’d to come up with an intelligent thought. 
 

I think this will be the company line moving forward. Harbaugh will fall on his sword and accept Luhnow like exile after the season. 

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6 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Desmond argued yesterday that the sign stealing scandal was unfair to the Michigan players. The Gameday crew collectively gasped, but didn’t rebuke him.

It was obviously planted by Michigan officials as Desmond is too CTE’d to come up with an intelligent thought. 
 

I think this will be the company line moving forward. Harbaugh will fall on his sword and accept Luhnow like exile after the season. 

Howard pretty much carried water for Michigan and played the “lone wolf” canard. It’s such bullshit. 

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On 10/27/2023 at 8:22 PM, Deej said:

Michigan won't be able to pull this shit against us next year, but Venables will bail them out with his tapes. 

Very underrated comment. ACC coaches have been saying Venables was stealing signs for years.. Just hope NCAA listens to coaches like Saban and Rhule, who both came out saying it is ridiculous that they don’t have headsets in the QB helmets at the P5 level. That should be the 1st rule change the committee reviews this off-season. It’s a joke this is still going on, when it could be fixed in a month 

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The University of Michigan has rescinded a new contract offer for head football coach Jim Harbaugh in the wake of a sign-stealing scandal that has rocked one of the favorites to play for college football’s national championship, according to a person familiar with the matter.

The move is the first sign that the school may be hesitant about its future relationship with the famed coach who revived its football program and is frequently cited as a candidate for jobs in the National Football League. Harbaugh’s pay had been cut during the pandemic, but he was given a new contract just last year after bringing the team back to national prominence. 

The Wolverines’ title chase this year put him in line for another raise. Michigan recently had made an offer that would have made Harbaugh the highest-paid coach in the Big Ten, before the school pulled it once the sign-stealing allegations rocked the school, the person said. 

A spokesman for the athletic department said the school, athletic department and personnel—which would include Harbaugh—don’t comment on employment contracts until they are completed and fully executed.  

The NCAA is investigating whether Michigan executed a scheme to illegally steal opponents’ play-calling signs. On Oct. 20, Michigan suspended a football staff member named Connor Stalions after a report that the NCAA was investigating the school for allegedly violating rules that ban teams from in-person scouting of future opponents.

The university’s pullback from contract negotiations casts doubt on Harbaugh’s future at Michigan, even as he has led the Wolverines to an 8-0 record, a No. 2 ranking and favorite status at sportsbooks to win a national championship.

Harbaugh, 59, returned to his alma mater in 2015 with great fanfare. The coach, who had played as a quarterback at Michigan, had thrived while leading teams both in college and the NFL and was hailed as the great hope to restore the once-powerful program. Michigan’s last national title came in 1997, when the Wolverines were crowned champion in the AP Poll while Nebraska won the coaches’ poll. Harbaugh got closer than ever in recent seasons when he led Michigan to back-to-back berths in the College Football Playoff. 

That run of success has included consecutive wins over nemesis Ohio State, which had won eight games in a row in the rivalry. The school’s offer of a new contract this fall meant it was willing to stick by the coach even after he faced potential discipline by the NCAA in connection with alleged recruiting violations.  

Everything changed, though, when Michigan football faced yet another firestorm. After the sign-stealing allegations broke, Harbaugh said in a statement: “I do not have any knowledge or information regarding the University of Michigan football program illegally stealing signals, nor have I directed staff members or others to participate in an off-campus scouting assignment.”

Subsequent media reports alleged that Stalions bought tickets to more than 30 games of Michigan’s future opponents over the past three years. ESPN also reported that there was evidence that at one game, someone sitting in the seat bought by Stalions held his smartphone up and appeared to film the home team’s sideline the entire game. NCAA rules prohibit any attempts to record the signals opponents use to communicate plays. Stalions hasn’t commented on the allegations.

Even before the sign-stealing allegations caused an uproar in the college football world, Harbaugh had been under fire. The NCAA already had been investigating him for alleged recruiting violations in 2021, leading to Michigan self-imposing a three-game suspension on the coach to start this season. The case remains open in part because the NCAA and the school couldn’t agree on a negotiated resolution. 

It isn’t clear when the situation will be resolved, but given the typical NCAA process, it could be next year. 

Both the recruiting and sign-stealing allegations could be problematic for Harbaugh under an NCAA rule that says a head coach is “presumed to be responsible for the actions of all institutional staff members who report, directly or indirectly, to the head coach.” A violation of that rule can be a Level I infraction, according to the NCAA, the most serious kind.

The most severe penalty for a coach, for repeat or aggravated violations, can include suspension from coaching at his current and any other NCAA school for a period of time. 

Harbaugh is at the pinnacle of his college coaching career, having led Michigan to a 33-3 record in the past 2½ seasons, including two consecutive Big Ten Conference titles. He is in his ninth season as head coach at Michigan, where he was a star in the 1980s under legendary coach Bo Schembechler. 

In 2020, however, Harbaugh was at a low point. After Michigan struggled to a 2-4 record during the pandemic-shortened season, he agreed to a halving of his base salary to $4 million. 

The contract was laden with incentives, however, and the Wolverines’ strong 2021 season earned Harbaugh $2 million in bonuses. He said he and his wife planned to donate the money to athletic-department employees whose salaries were reduced in the financial crunch of the pandemic. 

In early 2022, Harbaugh agreed to a five-year, $36.7 million deal that would keep him at Michigan through 2026. 

His performance that season—when Michigan went 13-1—and so far in this one put him in position for another raise. Harbaugh ranks 12th in the nation with roughly $8.2 million a year in total pay, according to a USA Today database. Alabama’s Nick Saban tops the list with $11.4 million, and three Big Ten coaches rank above Harbaugh. 

A combination of factors—his salary, his past success coaching the San Francisco 49ers and his run-ins with the NCAA—had previously led to questions about just how long Harbaugh would stay at Michigan. In recent offseasons, he has interviewed for NFL coaching gigs before ultimately staying at Michigan. 

The pause on his raise in recent weeks, parallel to the additional scrutiny in the sign-stealing investigation, is likely only to increase the speculation that Harbaugh may decamp for the professional game before the NCAA makes its ruling. In the meantime, Harbaugh has Michigan marching toward yet another College Football Playoff appearance.

 

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Am I mistaken, or did we see wristbands for the offense in the OU game?  I swear I saw them and took note, because when I think of wristbands I think of near the end of the Charlie Strong years when that was the solution to the defense being dogshit.

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It's been interesting that I have seen some comments about this from certain media and internet corners blowing it off as no big deal with things like "yea but they still gotta stop it or make the play happen" and pointing out things like tOSU having 492 yards against Michigan.  Sure, knowing the play or the defense doesn't for sure mean you are can stop it, but you know where it makes it a LOT more likely......late in a game.  Fatigue starts to set in.  You may not be able to stop what you know is coming in the 1st quarter against a really talented team but I guarantee you it makes it a shitload easier to stop things when everybody has a little tired on them AND you know what's coming.  

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24 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

It's been interesting that I have seen some comments about this from certain media and internet corners blowing it off as no big deal with things like "yea but they still gotta stop it or make the play happen" and pointing out things like tOSU having 492 yards against Michigan.  Sure, knowing the play or the defense doesn't for sure mean you are can stop it, but you know where it makes it a LOT more likely......late in a game.  Fatigue starts to set in.  You may not be able to stop what you know is coming in the 1st quarter against a really talented team but I guarantee you it makes it a shitload easier to stop things when everybody has a little tired on them AND you know what's coming.  

I used to argue with a guy that said Barry Bonds juicing didn't matter because you need more than just strength to hit homers.  I finally gave up as once someone makes up their mind, it ain't changing.

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2 minutes ago, Not a cat said:

I used to argue with a guy that said Barry Bonds juicing didn't matter because you need more than just strength to hit homers.  I finally gave up as once someone makes up their mind, it ain't changing.

Your friend is right. Bonds was also homering off a bunch of juiced pitchers as well 

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