Dallas Cowboys 2019 Season Thread -- Aaaah Zeke Out?

[Patrick Bateman 3874]

Le Freak, see'est Chic.

So fuck the preseason.  It's over.  Game 1 week starts now.

Schedule:

Projected roster:

Projected Salary Cap (pre any extensions after J. Smith):

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/dallas-cowboys/

It's long so no pic, but good site.

So... predictions?  Probably pain.  No extensions with the new big three and it also looks like.....

So..... some kid named Pollard, who was last seen as the change of pace back for the Memphis Tigers (college) last season may end up being the starting RB for the first game of the season.  Yea.

But.... don't worry.  He won't miss them all!

So.... call your shot.  Record and any playoff run?  

Giddy up.

[futureman 22365]

7-9

[Radical Larry 28494]

5 minutes ago, futureman said:

7-9

Dak's completions on the first two drives?

[futureman 22365]

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

Zeke missing games better not be their excuse for not firing Garrett. If this team doesn’t make the NFC championship game, Garrett should be gone. Shouldn’t matter how it happened. 

[futureman 22365]

1 minute ago, youdunnf'dup said:

Zeke missing games better not be their excuse for not firing Garrett. If this team doesn’t make the NFC championship game, Garrett should be gone. Shouldn’t matter how it happened. 

goddamn, you cracked it.  jerry engineered all this shit to make zeke miss games and give him an excuse to retain ginger.  

super bowl LIV this year.  that means we’re as far away from 52-17 as they were from super bowl I.  

[Junior Miller 1502]

Fuck Zeke. Running backs need to know their fucking place and worth. Fuck those disposable bitches. 

Without Zeke Moore realizes can't give Pollard 24 carries a game and nobody wants to see Morris get more than a couple so he puts the offense on Dak's shoulders and he either sinks as a QB not worth $30+ mil or swims as one that can at least be considered worth that. 

I say he swims just enough. 10-6 or 11-5. 

But no matter what, fuck Zeke. 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

I don’t want to keep beating this dead horse, but the bucs are about to cut Cairo Santos. Santos is 1000x better than Brett Maher. He’s an average NFL kicker that is better than Maher within 50 yards.

The jags cut Kai Forbath, who is 85% for his career on fgs. He’s never been good over 50 yards but he’s borderline automatic within 50. Maher was 75% last year, which puts him in the bottom quarter in the league for kickers. 

I wish they would grow a fucking pair and make a move, but they won’t. And it’ll cost us AT LEAST one game.

Edited August 30, 2019 by youdunnf'dup

['stache 21726]

8-8. Gingers favorite numbers.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

9-7

Garrett gets another year since he had the Zeke excuse

[Hate 20081]

11-5 and win the East.  A fresh Zeke comes back for Game 10 and puts us over the hump.  Oh, and fuck Zeke.

[Pam Cummings 9485]

Fuck yall i want my HOF running back on the field. Lets go.

[Underdog 28364]

Tony or Emmitt ain't walking through that door.  

#fuckzeketradehimtocincy

[Hate 20081]

Neither Emmitt or Tony are walking through that door. 

[Dropout 355]

 

[Hate 20081]

Hey Joe, how many games has Gurley been suspended in his career (regardless of whether or not it was justified)?  How many investigations has Gurley had in his career? 

[Vic Mackey 46797]

...

[Pam Cummings 9485]

18 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Tony or Emmitt ain't walking through that door.  

#fuckzeketradehimtocincy

You would have to be a complete idiot to think Zeke isn't a HOF talent.

[Underdog 28364]

LMAO.  Stay in the kitchen, bitch. 

[Pam Cummings 9485]

8 minutes ago, Underdog said:

LMAO.  Stay in the kitchen, bitch. 

Cowboyfan: Zeke's suspension is bullshit!!!!!!

 

Also cowboyfan: but the off field issues!!!!!!

 

Shut the fuck up.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Pam Cummings

[Underdog 28364]

Suspension was bullshit.  What's your excuse for his latest run in with the Security guard?   Dumbass has to know he's under a microscope but is too fucking stupid to acknowledge that.  I'm an olds, refresh my memory of the run ins that Tony or Emmitt had in their early years in the NFL.  

HoF talent?  After only 3 seasons?  No one player is bigger than the franchise, especially with this group.  

[Post Oak 20171]

11-5.

[michaelpshayes 417]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

...

only thing missing is Sean Lee on crutches, with a neck brace, a cast and hooked to an IV....

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

What does Joe Thomas know about building a sustainable winning NFL roster?

I'm cool if Zeke wants to be paid his absolute ceiling. Ship him off to a bad team with cap space.

[futureman 22365]

59 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Cowboyfan: Zeke's suspension is bullshit!!!!!!

 

Also cowboyfan: but the off field issues!!!!!!

 

Shut the fuck up.

what’s on the menu for week 1?  I’ll put a tv in the kitchen so you can watch the game while you’re washing dishes. 

[Surly Bevo 24665]

The suspension was bullshit, what made it bullshit was how the investigation went down and the length more than anything.  But throwing that aside Zeke also has

The tit grabbing incident

The bar altercation that sent a man to the hospital

The Vegas thing

and probably a thing or two else I am just not remembering.

 

As I said in another post all of this points to him being an out and out asshole at worst and at best an immature dipshit who doesn't seem to be able to learn how to separate himself from trouble.  That in and of itself is worth a nice fat haircut on an NFL contract

[Zavala 1384]

GIMMIE SOME GLORYHOLE!

[Vic Mackey 46797]

25 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

What does Joe Thomas know about building a sustainable winning NFL roster?

I'm cool if Zeke wants to be paid his absolute ceiling. Ship him off to a bad team with cap space.

And get what in return? We are one of the only teams whose offense is based around and needs a top tier bell cow RB. Why would a real bad team want to take Zeke on? And if we trade him now, that would be an absolute waste of a draft pick. We picked him with the idea we would give him a second contract. They had to know it was going to be a good amount. If that is your plan and approach, then do it. What does it matter if it is now or next year?

[Junior Miller 1502]

31 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

And get what in return? We are one of the only teams whose offense is based around and needs a top tier bell cow RB. Why would a real bad team want to take Zeke on? And if we trade him now, that would be an absolute waste of a draft pick. We picked him with the idea we would give him a second contract. They had to know it was going to be a good amount. If that is your plan and approach, then do it. What does it matter if it is now or next year?

So why in the hell would you way overpay him if to every other team in the league he doesn't have the value and won't get anywhere near Gurley if he's a FA? You don't negotiate against yourself. 

Put a first round pick number on him and call every other GM in the league and say he's yours if you want him. If you get no takers then why would you pay premium money for an asset that isn't even worth a first round pick to anyone else? Especially at a position where rookie mid rounders routinely come in and get the job done for championship teams and you have yourself a damn good looking rookie first rounder. 

If you have any kind of money I envy the person that sells you a house or cars. 

[Surly Bevo 24665]

The flip side to Vic's argument would be that picking Zeke that high  and crafting the offense around the RB position in today's NFL was a mistake.... doubling down on it just so you don't have to admit it was a mistake is insanity.  

 

 

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

I think Vic is also making an assumption that Kellen Moore can’t call an offense that utilizes Dak’s strengths as both a runner and a passer. We’re going to learn a lot these first couple of weeks in regards to whether or not we still have this ancient offense that we’ve had throughout the Scott Linehan era. Assuming that it’s going to be the same offense is stupid IMO. It could be, but we don’t know. We have no idea.

[Nope 3102]

8-7-1

[Junior Miller 1502]

3 minutes ago, youdunnf'dup said:

I think Vic is also making an assumption that Kellen Moore can’t call an offense that utilizes Dak’s strengths as both a runner and a passer. We’re going to learn a lot these first couple of weeks in regards to whether or not we still have this ancient offense that we’ve had throughout the Scott Linehan era. Assuming that it’s going to be the same offense is stupid IMO. It could be, but we don’t know. We have no idea.

The beauty of the holdout is that without Zeke it can't be the same offense. It will force them to change it because Pollard can't tote it 23+ times a game. He isn't built like that. It will force them to adjust to personnel and actually enter the late 2010's in terms of ratio of QB to RB responsibility needed to win in this "no contact to QBs and Receivers" era. Besides, after Jaylon and if they paid Zeke/Dak/and Amare it would be I believe 11 players on high priced contract money and in the NFL if your QB is making over 27 or so a year you can't afford to do more than 8-9 and realistically compete. 6 of those would be on offense alone. That means you start staying bye to Malik Collins, Xavier Woods, Byron Jones, Chidobe and/or Jordan Lewis, the two deep players at DE opposite Tank, etc. The defense (especially secondary) starts looking shitty really fast in a league where your cover guys are tied for most valuable to a defense with rush ends. 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

 

[Pam Cummings 9485]

2 hours ago, Underdog said:

Suspension was bullshit.  What's your excuse for his latest run in with the Security guard?   Dumbass has to know he's under a microscope but is too fucking stupid to acknowledge that.  I'm an olds, refresh my memory of the run ins that Tony or Emmitt had in their early years in the NFL.  

HoF talent?  After only 3 seasons?  No one player is bigger than the franchise, especially with this group.  

The attention seeking, obviously full of shit security guard? Very convenient to take that douche's side.

Did Tony or Emmitt play in the social media era? Then there's that whole thing where we employed and enabled a fucking crackhead(see: exceptions being made for HOF talent).

 

The NFL is full of reprehensible people. Funny to see where some draw the line.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Pam Cummings

[Pam Cummings 9485]

1 hour ago, futureman said:

what’s on the menu for week 1?  I’ll put a tv in the kitchen so you can watch the game while you’re washing dishes. 

[Underdog 28364]

13 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

The attention seeking, obviously full of shit security guard? Very convenient to take that douche's side.

Did Tony or Emmitt play in the social media era? Then there's that whole thing where we employed and enabled a fucking crackhead(see: exceptions being made for HOF talent).

 

The NFL is full of reprehensible people. Funny to see where some draw the line.

Weak.  Want to try that again? 

[futureman 22365]

13 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

you’re serving crickets?  are you from thailand?  well, the guests won’t like it. 

[Pam Cummings 9485]

10 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Weak.  Want to try that again? 

Tony Dorsett: one drunk driving arrest

Zeke Elliott: zero arrests

 

But, but, but....

[Vic Mackey 46797]

Preach. Everyone bitching about Zeke holding out after 3 years, the owners signed up for this. 

 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Goff is on a rookie contract is how they could afford it.

Gurleys knees are about done. Bad contract that will look even worse a year from now.

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

Even though I’m in the camp that says, fuck it, pay him, you don’t give someone a dumbass contract just because someone else gave a rb a dumbass contract if you’re smart. I’ve just accepted that we’re going to be mediocre in 3-4 years regardless, so fuck it. Just pay him so we can go 11-5 or 12-4 and let’s roll. 

[Junior Miller 1502]

I don't blame Zeke for holding out, I just think it's stupid business for him because what he brings is devalued in this era of football. There's zero reason for the Cowboys to give in to him. They have a replacement in camp who looks good, a new OC who can adjust the offense to take advantage of the new era rules, and a QB who needs the opportunity to show he can carry a team. No other team in the league wants to trade for him because no other team values what he does at that price point either. RBs are realistically worth max 8-10 a year players now, and you'd better be able to motion out of the backfield and torch LBs/safeties if you want that 10. The Gurley deal is the ridiculous outlier and the league is now in the beginning stages of resetting the proper value for what they bring to this era of football. Any team that pays more for a RB (hopefully Giants, although Saquon is more valuable than Zeke) will regret it. 

[DougO 5238]

8-8, give or take four games.

[Pig Bellmont 8660]

9 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

I don't blame Zeke for holding out, I just think it's stupid business for him

He’s not going to sit out two full years, pay all fines and get a better deal than what the cowboys already put on the table in free agency. Cowboys can’t keep leveraging their future by pretending the cap doesn’t exist 

[DougO 5238]

1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

 

 

Take it from Dez, who is committed to being an unemployed cancer.

[DougO 5238]

Put two contracts on the table. One close to Zeke's demands, one closer to the Cowboys best offer. If Zeke earns a rushing title or all purpose yards title, or carries the team to an NFC championship he gets his. If he's not in the top 5 rushers/yardage guys and the Cowboys fall short of the divisional round, the Cowboys get there's. Anything in between and they split the difference. Anything short and he just plays out his current deal.

Edited August 30, 2019 by DougO

[Jive Turkey 12500]

2 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

And get what in return? We are one of the only teams whose offense is based around and needs a top tier bell cow RB. Why would a real bad team want to take Zeke on? And if we trade him now, that would be an absolute waste of a draft pick. We picked him with the idea we would give him a second contract. They had to know it was going to be a good amount. If that is your plan and approach, then do it. What does it matter if it is now or next year?

I don't think the bolded part is correct.  When the Cowboys drafted Zeke in 2016, Romo was still the QB.  He had signed a 6 year extension in 2013.  The Cowboys were expecting Romo to play through at least 2019.  I think the plan was to use Zeke the same way they did with DeMarco.  Run him into the ground and get rid of him. 

Why did the Cowboys take Zeke at #4 if they weren't going to keep him around for a second deal?  I think they figured their best chance to win was to have a bad ass RB, who could take pressure off of Romo.  The idea wasn't to build the offense around Zeke.  They drafted Zeke to make the offense more Romo-friendly.  But this was always Romo's offense.  I'm convinced Zeke would have been treated the same way as DeMarco. 

But Romo got hurt and Dak had to start.  So the offensive philosophy changed.  And that's why there is a desire to keep Zeke around for a second contract.  I don't think it was the plan from the get go.  And with the Cowboys willing to let Zeke hang, I think it means they're thinking Dak is getting close to where Romo was circa-2015, and that they'd be fine running Zeke into the ground and not resigning him.  Especially if Pollard lights it up to start the season, which he very well could against 3 weak teams.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Jive Turkey

[Pato del Muerto 52195]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

Preach. Everyone bitching about Zeke holding out after 3 years, the owners signed up for this. 

 

Negotiating a new deal after 3 years, and refusing to honor the balance of your current contract, are different items. 

Dallas is currently negotiating, zeke is holding himself hostage. 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Hopefully my numbers arent off but Leveon Bell hit the open market and got 27M guaranteed from a bad team.

Rams deciding to throw 45 guaranteed at Gurley seems to have really fucked us right now.