Dallas Cowboys 2019 Season Thread -- Aaaah Zeke Out?

['stache 21825]

3 minutes ago, Underdog said:

Just means more balls to Witten. 

And Jarwin. BTW, who were the idiots calling the game yesterday? They called Jarwin a former WR turned TE. At OSU he was our "Cowboy Back" which is a hybrid FB/TE position. He signed and an undrafted FA as a TE. Did they literally just pull that out of their ass?

[Drew 2499]

14 hours ago, Napoleon said:

I’ll take Tyreke Hill, Sammy Watkins, and Robinson. 

 

12 hours ago, Swearengen said:

Atlanta and New England have great receivers as well

Yeah they do.  On paper you'd have to take them.  But let's see how it's looking late.  I'm loving our 3 guys.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33881]

2 hours ago, 'stache said:

And Jarwin. BTW, who were the idiots calling the game yesterday? They called Jarwin a former WR turned TE. At OSU he was our "Cowboy Back" which is a hybrid FB/TE position. He signed and an undrafted FA as a TE. Did they literally just pull that out of their ass?

[C-Man 27238]

5 hours ago, dcar00 said:

yikes.  21 in an nfl game?  cowboys are rolling but i'd stay away from that

Losing by 49 and 43 points in Weeks 1 and 2 tend to drive the line for Week 3 vs a good team pretty sky high!

[Braff Zacklin 13635]

Looks like Taco might not be puttin' on the blitz for the Cowboys much longer:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27631133/cowboys-de-charlton-wants-team-release-him

 

[SurlyBDR 22813]

37 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Looks like Taco might not be puttin' on the blitz wasting a roster spot for the Cowboys much longer:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27631133/cowboys-de-charlton-wants-team-release-him

 

FIFY

[Vic Mackey 47090]

4 hours ago, 'stache said:

And Jarwin. BTW, who were the idiots calling the game yesterday? They called Jarwin a former WR turned TE. At OSU he was our "Cowboy Back" which is a hybrid FB/TE position. He signed and an undrafted FA as a TE. Did they literally just pull that out of their ass?

Charles Davis was the commentator. Not sure who did play by play. I had them muted and music on as usual. 

[Braff Zacklin 13635]

12 minutes ago, SurlyBDR said:

FIFY

Bruh, do you even 1982?

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3447]

 

[dcar00 14316]

3 hours ago, C-Man said:

Losing by 49 and 43 points in Weeks 1 and 2 tend to drive the line for Week 3 vs a good team pretty sky high!

ha. good point. 

[Catdaddyhorn 3447]

 

 

[Junior Miller 1502]

Holy shit Steelers lose their QB and start 0-2 then trade their next draft's 1st for Minkah

[Sgt Hulk 13813]

Damnit 

[Vic Mackey 47090]

That was always a pipe dream. Dallas was not going to give up a 1st rounder. Although I would have been for it. He's 1st round talent. We need safety help. We used our 1st rd pick this year to get our #1 WR. You could have used used a 1st rd pick to get a 1st rd safety.

But obviously Miami would accept Pitt before us seeing how their pick will be much better than ours. We'd have to add to it. 

[Braff Zacklin 13635]

Though Heath is a weak link (sorry, Drew, but it's true), an upgrade at safety wouldn't give the defense nearly as much boost as an elite pass rusher.

[Vic Mackey 47090]

Who was Seattle's elite pass rushers when they made their Super Bowl runs? Their strength seemed to come up the middle i.e. DT and safety. As well as their corners. OL can't block forever. If your secondary can make the QB have to scan the field just a little longer, someone can push through and get home.

Dallas issue is they try and go the cheap route at DT and safety. We just don't value those positions. And it shows. If they fixed those, the rest would come together. Starting with someone better than Heath back there. Dude is a special teams player.

[Napoleon 8692]

4 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

That was always a pipe dream. We need safety help. We used our 1st rd pick this year to get our #1 WR. You could have used used a 1st rd pick to get a 1st rd safety.

How about next year’s #1 for Jalen Ramsey?

[Iceman 2722]

Ramsey has effectively ended any sentiment i had towards him in the Zeke:Ramsey debate.

Fuck that guy.

[Quagmire 2147]

Yeah, no thanks . Dude is an Antonio brown starter kit.

[Post Oak 20254]

Holy Shit.  That's a great trade for Miami.

Ben getting hurt would've changed the whole calculus on trading a 1 if I was Pittsburgh.

29% chance the pick is top 5

62% chance it's top 10 (per ESPN)

They better hope Fitzpatrick turns out to have some Polamolu in him

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

7 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Who was Seattle's elite pass rushers when they made their Super Bowl runs

Their defensive prowess came because ET is so fucking fast, that they could run single high safety and not get burned.  

[youdunnf'dup 2147]

Xavier Woods out 4-6 weeks with the dreaded high ankle sprain. Fuck

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

9 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

Who was Seattle's elite pass rushers when they made their Super Bowl runs? Their strength seemed to come up the middle i.e. DT and safety. As well as their corners. OL can't block forever. If your secondary can make the QB have to scan the field just a little longer, someone can push through and get home.

Dallas issue is they try and go the cheap route at DT and safety. We just don't value those positions. And it shows. If they fixed those, the rest would come together. Starting with someone better than Heath back there. Dude is a special teams player.

Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, and Bruce Irvin were the 3 biggest names.  They also had a transcendent secondary and as soon as Kam Chancellor started getting hurt and Sherman lost a step, they were poor again and Richard got the axe.  Our safeties are industry average to below average, Seattle had arguably the best duo of the last decade or so.  And now...

We have major issues up the middle and back of our defense.

[C-Man 27238]

22 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Michael Bennett, Cliff Avril, and Bruce Irvin were the 3 biggest names.  They also had a transcendent secondary and as soon as Kam Chancellor started getting hurt and Sherman lost a step, they were poor again and Richard got the axe.  Our safeties are industry average to below average, Seattle had arguably the best duo of the last decade or so.  And now...

We have major issues up the middle and back of our defense.

No mention of Bobby Wagner? Dude was/is an absolute destroyer from his MLB position.

[cmontexas 3272]

Chris Clemons was a beast too 

[Junior Miller 1502]

The year Seattle won the Superbowl their defense was the first since the '85 Bears to lead the NFL in passing yardage allowed, points allowed, and turnovers forced. It was a legit all-time great level defense. 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

1 hour ago, C-Man said:

No mention of Bobby Wagner? Dude was/is an absolute destroyer from his MLB position.

Well, the subject at hand was pass rush vs secondary in terms of synergy.  Wagner is a MLB, and maybe the best in the league..... certified badass.

[Catdaddyhorn 3447]

Jamal Adams anyone 

 

 

 

[Catdaddyhorn 3447]

For context

 

 

[conVINCEd 21469]

Yes please.

[Drew 2499]

15 hours ago, Braff Zacklin said:

Though Heath is a weak link (sorry, Drew, but it's true), an upgrade at safety wouldn't give the defense nearly as much boost as an elite pass rusher.

Never said he wasn't the weakest link, just that he's not nearly as horrible as the stupid narrative. He makes a lot of plays, and gives up some plays. He's a about a league average guy, andy only point has ever been that we can't have studs everywhere...he's a capable player that if they can improve on, they will.  But not by giving up assets too, and not a 1st rounder for a guy that doesn't even play safety well yet.

15 hours ago, Vic Mackey said:

That was always a pipe dream. Dallas was not going to give up a 1st rounder. Although I would have been for it. He's 1st round talent. We need safety help. We used our 1st rd pick this year to get our #1 WR. You could have used used a 1st rd pick to get a 1st rd safety.

But obviously Miami would accept Pitt before us seeing how their pick will be much better than ours. We'd have to add to it. 

Yes we could upgrade safety...but maybe we should try to get a SAFETY and not a slot corner(and a good one at that).

[Braff Zacklin 13635]

15 minutes ago, Drew said:

Never said he wasn't the weakest link, just that he's not nearly as horrible as the stupid narrative. He makes a lot of plays, and gives up some plays. He's a about a league average guy, andy only point has ever been that we can't have studs everywhere.

That's fair. Not sure I'd even rate him average, but I still get your point.

Imagine if we'd somehow landed Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack ...

[Rabidhorn 121]

Dallas opens as a 21 point Fav VS the Fish, I have been a Cowboy long enough to know that game is TROUBLE, everything is going good.

[Junior Miller 1502]

20 minutes ago, Rabidhorn said:

Dallas opens as a 21 point Fav VS the Fish, I have been a Cowboy long enough to know that game is TROUBLE, everything is going good.

There have been 11 previous times an NFL team opened as that big a favorite or bigger. All 11 won the game. Only 2 covered. 

Edited September 17, 2019 by Junior Miller

[Drew 2499]

36 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

That's fair. Not sure I'd even rate him average, but I still get your point.

Imagine if we'd somehow landed Amari Cooper and Khalil Mack ...

Would we even need safeties?

[Napoleon 8692]

4 hours ago, Catdaddyhorn said:

For context

Is this the NFL equivalent of putting your name in the transfer window?

[Post Oak 20254]

I would give a 1 for J Adams and not lose a minute of sleep

[Machinator 32099]

 

[Party_Taco 3746]

 

Doomed...

[Irish Wrist Watch 1394]

What's the recovery time on a broke arm?

[Dr Fear 1268]

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[Junior Miller 1502]

18 hours ago, Napoleon said:

Is this the NFL equivalent of putting your name in the transfer window?

Portal. 

This is a disturbing trend. If it becomes more like the broken NBA then less desirable markets just become training grounds for players to them demand trades and jump ship to more desirable markets. It'll ruin the sport the way the NBA is garbage right now. The teams need a level playing field and reasonable control over the players they draft for any team sport league to be at it's best. 

[Patrick Bateman 3918]

That's fucking embarrassing.... as player personnel department, it's a travesty and huge black mark on their resumes.  To cut a first round pick after basically two years.... just terrible.  Couldn't even get a 6/7th rounder for him.  smh.

Taco Wednesdays aren't going to catch on.

Edited September 18, 2019 by Patrick Bateman

[Junior Miller 1502]

Hey, you shut your whore mouth. The defensive line god Marinelli said TJ Watt just could not fit on this defensive line. 

[Vic Mackey 47090]

Rod Marinelli is as bad as Linehan. I have no idea why when we decided to get rid of Linehan, clean house on the other side of the ball (the main issue of our failures in the playoffs). Promote Richard to d-coordinator and see what he can do like we did with Moore. His act is old and so is his defensive gameplan. Soft zone. No pressure. Bend but don't break mentality. It's too hard to constantly over turn your players so you do it with coaches. 

[Braff Zacklin 13635]

5 minutes ago, Vic Mackey said:

Promote Richard to d-coordinator and see what he can do like we did with Moore.

I thought we did this last year, but I see Richard is back to coaching DBs. Didn't Marinelli yield defensive calls to Richard at some point in 2018, or did I merely dream that?

[Irish Wrist Watch 1394]

There have been times in the last couple of years when the D has done an outstanding job with sub par talent, but the style they play to make up for said talent requires an offense that gives their D some rest. Linehan's offense was usually the culprit. 

[irishtexan 11522]

9 minutes ago, Irish Wrist Watch said:

There have been times in the last couple of years when the D has done an outstanding job with sub par talent, but the style they play to make up for said talent requires an offense that gives their D some rest. Linehan's offense was usually the culprit. 

A few years ago Marinelli made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Now he's making chicken salad out of lobster. Cowboys have acquired too much talent to have seen such little improvement. 

[Gene Parmesan 4008]

1 hour ago, Junior Miller said:

Portal. 

This is a disturbing trend. If it becomes more like the broken NBA then less desirable markets just become training grounds for players to them demand trades and jump ship to more desirable markets. It'll ruin the sport the way the NBA is garbage right now. The teams need a level playing field and reasonable control over the players they draft for any team sport league to be at it's best. 

I don't see this amounting to much.  The NFL still has the hard cap and you need a lot more than Ramsey in order to win. 

[C-Man 27238]

1 hour ago, Junior Miller said:

Hey, you shut your whore mouth. The defensive line god Marinelli said TJ Watt just could not fit on this defensive line. 

Of the 32 players taken in the 1st round in 2017, Taco's Weighted Career Approximate Value is only better than three players -- WR John Ross (2, drafted 9th by CIN), OLB Charles Harris (5, drafted 22nd by MIA) and CB Gareon Conley (5, drafted 24th by OAK). Tak McKinley's CarAV is somehow only 6 even though he has 13 lifetime sacks. TJ Watt's is 18, tied for sixth-best among 1st rounders that year (McCaffrey 25, Ramczyk 25, Mahomes 23, Watson 23 and Trubisky 20).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/draft.htm