Dallas Cowboys 2019 Season Thread -- Aaaah Zeke Out?

[C-Man 26899]

S Budda Baker, taken in 2nd round at 36th overall by ARZ, is 14 right now.

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

30 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

I thought we did this last year, but I see Richard is back to coaching DBs. Didn't Marinelli yield defensive calls to Richard at some point in 2018, or did I merely dream that?

This is my understanding as well. 

[Braff Zacklin 13332]

21 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

A few years ago Marinelli made chicken salad out of chicken shit. Now he's making chicken salad out of lobster. Cowboys have acquired too much talent to have seen such little improvement. 

Preach.

Thought Marinelli's defensive scheming during Dak's rookie season was masterful because we had zero pass rush and no secondary. Overall talent on defense has gone up, and so has performance, but it no longer seems like he's getting the most out of what's available.

[Pato del Muerto 52195]

Richard still calls the defense even though he is the db coach, just like the end of last season. 

Dallas SHOULD have already promoted him and fired marinelli. One would have to think there is some sort of plan agreed  to for Richard to continue with this arrangement this season. 

Edited September 18, 2019 by Pato del Muerto

[Patrick Bateman 3874]

51 minutes ago, Braff Zacklin said:

I thought we did this last year, but I see Richard is back to coaching DBs. Didn't Marinelli yield defensive calls to Richard at some point in 2018, or did I merely dream that?

Richard calls the actual plays so he's a de facto D-coordinator, but the title has remained with Marinelli out of respect and I think I read they do prep together.

 

[RPM 26149]

Tacoless Wednesday!

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

What was Taco making this year? I assume he'll sign somewhere for the minimum now.

[irishtexan 11434]

45 minutes ago, C-Man said:

Of the 32 players taken in the 1st round in 2017, Taco's Weighted Career Approximate Value is only better than three players -- WR John Ross (2, drafted 9th by CIN), OLB Charles Harris (5, drafted 22nd by MIA) and CB Gareon Conley (5, drafted 24th by OAK). Tak McKinley's CarAV is somehow only 6 even though he has 13 lifetime sacks. TJ Watt's is 18, tied for sixth-best among 1st rounders that year (McCaffrey 25, Ramczyk 25, Mahomes 23, Watson 23 and Trubisky 20).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2017/draft.htm

Any rankings system that doesn't value Patrick Mahomes as the most valuable and productive player from the 2017 draft doesn't pass the smell test. 

Not that I'm defending Taco in any way. He sucks big time

[Drew 2268]

Yes Richard is even the Defensive coach who talks to media along with Moore, thus making the "who's the real DC" more clear IMO.

Sucks about Taco...definitely a wasted pick.  Let's hope Hill isn't in the same boat.

[Post Oak 20171]

So why do we want to fire the DL coach after two games.  

WAS had 255 yards on Sunday.  That seems good. 

Richard is the DC

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Rico Gathers still unemployed.

Remember some fans saying we would regret cutting him.

['stache 21726]

12 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Rico Gathers still unemployed.

Remember some fans saying we would regret cutting him.

He got paid a lot of money based solely on his size. Not a bad way to start out after college.

['stache 21726]

1 hour ago, Braff Zacklin said:

I thought we did this last year, but I see Richard is back to coaching DBs. Didn't Marinelli yield defensive calls to Richard at some point in 2018, or did I merely dream that?

I thought I remembered this too. I looked on the webpage and they call him "Passing Game Coordinator and Defensive Backs." The first part is usually a form of offensive playcaller, but I assume in this case he's calling defensive plays in some capacity. He's clearly up for DC if Marinelli ever fucking dies or breaks a hip.

[C-Man 26899]

40 minutes ago, irishtexan said:

Any rankings system that doesn't value Patrick Mahomes as the most valuable and productive player from the 2017 draft doesn't pass the smell test. 

Not that I'm defending Taco in any way. He sucks big time

Mahomes only appeared in one game as a rookie so his 23 was effectively all from last year. The other four have all played two full seasons. I'm certain Mahomes will be #1 at the conclusion of this season provided he doesn't get hurt.

[Pig Bellmont 8660]

I have no problem with paying Marinelli to mentor a younger coach and work with him on game prep, etc. This is a show me league. If you aren’t good enough to crack the depth chart then GTFO

[C-Man 26899]

He led the NFL in Approximate Value last season at 22 (so he earned 1 for the one game his rookie year).

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2018/leaders.htm

Approximate Value

1.	Patrick Mahomes • KAN	22
2.	Mitchell Schwartz • KAN	20
3.	Jared Goff • LAR	18
	Tyreek Hill • KAN	18
	Darius Leonard • IND	18
6.	Drew Brees • NOR	17
	Danielle Hunter • MIN	17
	Khalil Mack • CHI	17
	Michael Thomas • NOR	17
10.	Todd Gurley • LAR	16
	Alvin Kamara • NOR	16
	Christian McCaffrey • CAR	16
	4 more tied at 16

[C-Man 26899]

54 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

What was Taco making this year? I assume he'll sign somewhere for the minimum now.

Looks like it's just under $1.4M in salary for this year

[KeysPhoneWallet 807]

So... hopefully we can keep Kris Richard in the fold and promote him to d coord next season?

 

And teams win in different ways, can’t get caught looking back to figure out how to win going forward. As soon as we win by our way others will say they should build the team through oline/rb... just the way it is.

 

We have a talented roster and are probably the best team in the nfc right now. We should enjoy the ride some

 

And pay dak.

 

[Vic Mackey 46797]

[Vic Mackey 46797]

They did miss that one week of that QB the Giants started last year or the year before but still crazy

[Vic Mackey 46797]

For @futureman

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

1 hour ago, Vic Mackey said:

For @futureman

You just jinxed us all to hell you selfish dick.  Future man is from the future.  He knows.  

[Irish Wrist Watch 1340]

Jinxes don't work against truly great teams. Nobody jinxed the Aikman-Smith Cowboys. They got butt-raped by an officiating crew in SF one year, but not jinxed. Very reminiscent of the no-call against the Saints in last year's NFC Championship game. Every official on that field should have been fired.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Irish Wrist Watch

[Get ln My Van 927]

This game on Sunday is a classic game that the Cowboys would lose in years past.

With Kellen now running the offense I’m more confident but it’s still ultimately a Garrett lead team and the Dolphins make it closer than it should be.

Cowboys 20 - Dolphins 17

[Gene Parmesan 3958]

1 hour ago, Get ln My Van said:

This game on Sunday is a classic game that the Cowboys would lose in years past.

With Kellen now running the offense I’m more confident but it’s still ultimately a Garrett lead team and the Dolphins make it closer than it should be.

Cowboys 20 - Dolphins 17

This dolphins team is a strong candidate to go 0-16 and make their case for worst team all time.  What games in years past did the cowboys lose that approached that?

['stache 21726]

Yeah, Quincy Carter could probably beat this year's Dolphins.

[Catdaddyhorn 3438]

18 hours ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

What was Taco making this year? I assume he'll sign somewhere for the minimum now.

Pretty sure his salary this season is guaranteed

[Patrick Bateman 3874]

I ran across this and laughed my ass off for those that remember Hambone....

 

[EvilCaseMcCoy 691]

12 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I ran across this and laughed my ass off for those that remember Hambone....

 

Isnt that what Sam Hurd was doing too?

[Patrick Bateman 3874]

On Taco.....

Stevie on Taco.

More on the Taco pick.

If you're wondering what window dressing is.  Basically drafting for need instead of BPA with a large gap in play.

 

[Vic Mackey 46797]

Did anyone have a 1st round grade on Taco? I don't recall hearing much about him going into that draft. I doubt he would have even been drafted in the 1st rd had we taken Watt (the right pick). But hey, Watt wasn't a "right fit" for what we do. Yay. 

[Post Oak 20171]

I was thinking/hoping that he could eventually be a Tyrone Crawford.  Play inside and out and be a good rotation player.  

I still think he can be a decent player but he needs to grow up fast.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Yeah Taco was projected to be a late 1st rounder or early 2nd. Seems Tacos attitude was the biggest thing or he would still be at least be a depth guy.

Is TJ Watt big enough to be a 4-3 DE? 

Cowboys have also hit on some guys the fans hated. Remember the Travis Fredrick selection? LVE? An injured Jaylon Smith? They caught a lot of crap for reaching on a few guys that worked out.

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

40 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

I was thinking/hoping that he could eventually be a Tyrone Crawford.  Play inside and out and be a good rotation player.  

I still think he can be a decent player but he needs to grow up fast.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if Taco won out due to his potential versatility in playing multiple positions.

Byron Jones versatility was also mentioned when he was picked. Could maybe play safety or CB. That pick obv worked out better.

[Dr Fear 1264]

Bovada is up to -22.5 (-110). Same for the Pats.

[Patrick Bateman 3874]

1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Yeah Taco was projected to be a late 1st rounder or early 2nd. Seems Tacos attitude was the biggest thing or he would still be at least be a depth guy.

Is TJ Watt big enough to be a 4-3 DE? 

Cowboys have also hit on some guys the fans hated. Remember the Travis Fredrick selection? LVE? An injured Jaylon Smith? They caught a lot of crap for reaching on a few guys that worked out.

Travis Frederick was the biggest one.  I don't remember a lot of folks hating on LVE.  He was a physical freak, it was simply lack of experience where folks had concerns.  We've gotten one year of good football out of Jaylon and already extended him.  He'll need to ball for at least 3-4 season before being worth the 34/35th pick or whatever he was.  TJ Watt is 6'4", 255 lbs and a very good athlete, but if he's a bad scheme fit then okay (although I think good coaches take talent and adjust their schemes to get the best out of them).  Taco was an average athlete at best and was mostly potential.  But it doesn't just have to be a conversation about TJ Watt.  Again, you don't have to reach for a specific need or if you are, ensure you're getting a good football player who's college career was.... inconsistent.

Another idea..... or we didn't have to go DL if we had higher grades on the board.

Taco is arguably the biggest bust in 35 years for a first rounder for Dallas and poor Billy was simply an injury.

 

[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Morris Claiborne was my biggest disappointment. Not that he was a worse player than Taco but traded up high in the 1st round to get him and he had a lot of injuries and inconsistent play. Thought he would be a stud.

Hope Ramsey doesn't go to Philly. He's a bit of a diva but the Jaguars are also a mess right now.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Loch Ness Monster

[Vic Mackey 46797]

40 minutes ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Morris Claiborne was my biggest disappointment. Not that he was a worse player than Taco but traded up high in the 1st round to get him and he had a lot of injuries and inconsistent play. Thought he would be a stud.

Hope Ramsey doesn't go to Philly. He's a bit of a diva but the Jaguars are also a mess right now.

Claiborne was a huge disappointment but he is a HOF player compared to Taco.

[Gene Parmesan 3958]

Taco, Claiborne, and Carpenter are the first round failures of recent memory.  Dallas hasn't had many flat out busts from the first round.  That's probably because they haven't had to reach for QBs.  If Jerry had actually pulled the trigger on the trade up for Paxton Lynch, that would have certainly topped the disaster list.

[Dr Fear 1264]

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[Loch Ness Monster 3533]

Taco claimed by the Dolphins!

Hope he likes losing

[Drew 2268]

I really think the 22 point spread is too much.

As bad as the Dolphins are, and as good as I think the Cowboys are, I don't think they're going to win by 30 or something.

First off, even the Pats only had like 13/14 points at half time.  Miami tried to make them work for it a bit...and then the Cowboys/Garrett just don't seem to have the same destroy teams gene.

They'll get up like 28-7 or something, and throttle down and end up winning 31-13 or 34-14.

[C-Man 26899]

55 minutes ago, Gene Parmesan said:

Taco, Claiborne, and Carpenter are the first round failures of recent memory.  Dallas hasn't had many flat out busts from the first round.  That's probably because they haven't had to reach for QBs.  If Jerry had actually pulled the trigger on the trade up for Paxton Lynch, that would have certainly topped the disaster list.

All-time Cowboys 1st round picks with lower CarAV rating than Taco's current 6:

• 1972 (26th) -- RB Bill Thomas (Boston College) ... in 27 career games, carried 13 times for 36 yards (CarAV=0)
• 1979 (27th) -- C Robert Shaw (Tennessee) ... 33 career games (CarAv=5)
• 1984 (25th) -- LB Billy Cannon (Texas A&M) ... 8 career games (CarAv=1)
• Others of note -- Dennis Homan (7), DT Larry Bethea (9), Robert Shaw (5), Rod Hill (7), David LaFleur (7) and Bobby Carpenter (10)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/dal/draft.htm

2 minutes ago, Dr Fear said:

 

 

 

 

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Game is now "Pick 'em"

[Vic Mackey 46797]

I really think the 22 point spread is too much.
As bad as the Dolphins are, and as good as I think the Cowboys are, I don't think they're going to win by 30 or something.
First off, even the Pats only had like 13/14 points at half time.  Miami tried to make them work for it a bit...and then the Cowboys/Garrett just don't seem to have the same destroy teams gene.
They'll get up like 28-7 or something, and throttle down and end up winning 31-13 or 34-14.

I think the Pats were just sleepwalking. They are professionals but are humans. They knew they could exert little energy to win that game. Defense gave them 2 touchdowns.

[Drew 2268]

Oh yeah, forgot the defense even got them 14 points.

Anyways I still think this won't be some epic blow out.  Even if the Boys put up 30 in the first half, they'll basically run the ball the entire 2nd half.

[Gene Parmesan 3958]

Agree.  I'd be somewhat shocked if the cowboys cover. They'll throttle back if they get up beyond 2tds.

[Pig Bellmont 8660]

1 hour ago, Loch Ness Monster said:

Taco claimed by the Dolphins!

Hope he likes losing

Playing for Miami this season is a special kind of hell

[michaelpshayes 417]

when you’re the worst in the group of early round defensive end draft pick busts by the Dallas Cowboys you suck a ton of ass...Kavika Pittman, Shante Carver, Eb Ekuban >>>>>>>>>> Taco ...fml

[Dr Fear 1264]

-23

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[Surly Bevo 24665]

I guess I still don’t really understand the cut timing.

If you believe Miami is that bad rest some guys if you can. Play Taco and see he shows something that helps you get anything of any value for him. If not then by all means cut his ass next week.