Vaping Sickness "epidemic"

[Foosters 17823]

As someone who regularly vapes THC, this stuff has me pretty worried. I stick to buying from 3 brands - all of whom have exemplary independent lab testing results - and only from CA licensed distributors. Still, it has made me reevaluate this as a long-term mode of consuming THC. It wouldn't surprise me to see some study 10-20 years out that concludes "yeah, this shit is really fucking bad for your lungs."

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Foosters said:

As someone who regularly vapes THC, this stuff has me pretty worried. I stick to buying from 3 brands - all of whom have exemplary independent lab testing results - and only from CA licensed distributors. Still, it has made me reevaluate this as a long-term mode of consuming THC. It wouldn't surprise me to see some study 10-20 years out that concludes "yeah, this shit is really fucking bad for your lungs."

 

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[Bevo 13560]

Just saw this:

CDC: Number Of Cases Of Vaping-Related Illness Exceeds 1,000

The New York Times (10/3, Grady) reported that on Thursday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said vaping-related illness had increased to 1,080 cases, which is up by 275 cases from the previous week. In addition, the resultant death toll had risen to 19 as of Thursday. The article said that while “the exact cause” remains unknown, many affected “have vaped THC,” while some have vaped both THC and nicotine, and others say they have only vaped nicotine.

        The AP (10/3, Stobbe) reported that as of Thursday, there have been cases reported in all states except Alaska and New Hampshire. Physicians “say the illnesses, which first appeared in March, resemble an inhalation injury.”

[El Diablo 4232]

May be the result of vape cartridges using liquid vitamin E oil as a thickening agent.

https://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Breakthrough-reported-in-vaping-illness-outbreak-investigation--564664951.html

[BigHorn'13 3363]

Thc, not nicotine. 

Again, just repeating this so people don't get confused. 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

Again, if you stick to products that are meant to be vaped, that don't contain stupid shit like Vitamin E oil, or motor oil, it has to be orders of magnitude safer than inhaling the combustion products of burning leaves.

Look at bongwater for fucks sake.

[El Diablo 4232]

13 minutes ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Thc, not nicotine. 

Again, just repeating this so people don't get confused. 

Yeah, that's probably a key distinction that needs to be repeated. Not many folks cranking out nicotine cartridges in their garage. 

[BBQ2Bayou 807]

29 minutes ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Thc, not nicotine. 

Again, just repeating this so people don't get confused. 

I thought that too, but I swore I heard on the news tonight that only 23 out of the 50 something deaths had THC in their system.  Maybe I misheard that? 

[conVINCEd 21469]

5 hours ago, BBQ2Bayou said:

I thought that too, but I swore I heard on the news tonight that only 23 out of the 50 something deaths had THC in their system.  Maybe I misheard that? 

23/29 is what I heard.  I don’t think they got samples from every case.

[Viper 12101]

5 hours ago, BBQ2Bayou said:

I thought that too, but I swore I heard on the news tonight that only 23 out of the 50 something deaths had THC in their system.  Maybe I misheard that? 

Not exactly. 28 were tested. THC was found in 23. The other 5 might have had it processed out of their system, used black market nicotine products or something else. 

https://reason.com/2019/11/08/more-evidence-that-black-market-thc-products-are-to-blame-for-vaping-related-lung-injuries/

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THC or its metabolites were detected in 23 of 28 patient BAL [bronchoscopy and bronchoalveolar lavage] samples, including in those of three patients who said they did not use THC products."

 

[RPM 26315]

Don't have a link but I read somewhere yesterday that they have narrowed it to THC using Vitamin E oil in the vape juice.

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

Not epidemic related, but given that general vaping discussion was occurring in this thread, Juul may be properly fucked.

 

From Ars Technica: "Juul bought ads on CartoonNetwork.com, NickJr.com, other kid sites, suit says".

 

Specifically, the Massachusetts Attorney General alleges that Juul rejected advertising agency suggestions to focus on older models in favor of cool, young models. Even more damning are allegations that Juul bought adds on sites like Cartoon Network, Nick Jr., etc.

[XYZ 2154]

Nothing to see here. What’s good for corporate America is good for you. Shut up and consume.

[BigHorn'13 3363]

Like I said before, if you want to do away with disposable ecigs and even replaceable coils, go right the fuck on ahead and you'll see a huge reduction of teen vaping.

Do that and it'll be like the only cigarettes you can buy are ones you have to roll by hand. No teenager in this "on demand" culture we live in is going to want to do/ learn all that. Plus they'd have to actually build something by hand on an every other day basis and have one more thing they have to make sure has enough battery throughout the day. That's... just. Like, too difficult. 

[Viper 12101]

4 hours ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Not epidemic related, but given that general vaping discussion was occurring in this thread, Juul may be properly fucked.

 

From Ars Technica: "Juul bought ads on CartoonNetwork.com, NickJr.com, other kid sites, suit says".

 

Specifically, the Massachusetts Attorney General alleges that Juul rejected advertising agency suggestions to focus on older models in favor of cool, young models. Even more damning are allegations that Juul bought adds on sites like Cartoon Network, Nick Jr., etc.

that frankly sounds ridiculous. if that's true they probably need to be sued/locked up/whatever. however, it's a one-sided court document with claims that seem "too good to be true". I'd take a wait and see approach before I believe one side over the other.

[Buzzrock 14902]

So as long as one buys oil from reputable makers who don’t use Vitamin E (or any other fillers) then one should be good right? Asking for a friend.

[Johnny Chimpo 478]

On 9/25/2019 at 4:15 AM, Foosters said:

As someone who regularly vapes THC, this stuff has me pretty worried. I stick to buying from 3 brands - all of whom have exemplary independent lab testing results - and only from CA licensed distributors. Still, it has made me reevaluate this as a long-term mode of consuming THC. It wouldn't surprise me to see some study 10-20 years out that concludes "yeah, this shit is really fucking bad for your lungs."

 

Get a Pax 3. It’s a hand held flower or concentrate vape that you can load yourself. I have one and I love it. I got it for that same reason, don’t really like the idea of using pre loaded vape cartridges long term. There’s a few other brands that make similar products all you have to do is some online research to find them. 

[Foosters 17823]

40 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

So as long as one buys oil from reputable makers who don’t use Vitamin E (or any other fillers) then one should be good right? Asking for a friend.

Basically, yes. But the only way to ensure you're buying a legit cartridge is by purchasing at a licensed shop. That's it. There are shops all over CA that are unlicensed selling fake cartridges. Unless you do your due diligence, it's not that easy to tell the legit shops from illegitimate.

 

If you're buying from a friend who "promises" that they're legit from Cali, I wouldn't touch em.

 

Also, even if you are buying a legit cartridge from a legit shop, you also need to do some research into which companies have been found by independent labs to have all sorts of pesticides and other horrible shit floating around the oil.

[RPM 26315]

7 hours ago, Serak The Preparer said:

Not epidemic related, but given that general vaping discussion was occurring in this thread, Juul may be properly fucked.

 

From Ars Technica: "Juul bought ads on CartoonNetwork.com, NickJr.com, other kid sites, suit says".

 

Specifically, the Massachusetts Attorney General alleges that Juul rejected advertising agency suggestions to focus on older models in favor of cool, young models. Even more damning are allegations that Juul bought adds on sites like Cartoon Network, Nick Jr., etc.

I don't know about Nick, Jr or the other sites, but Cartoon Network spends half the time as Adult Swim. If Juul bought time during [as] I don't see a problem.

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

First, as @Viper states, these are allegations, not proof. But the allegation is that the ads were not on the tv channel Cartoon Network, but on the website. There may be more "adult" sections on that site, I haven't spent any time there, but I imagine the website attracts a younger audience (for streaming shows, playing games, etc.).

[Viper 12101]

If it was an internet ad then did they buy it directly or was it part of an ad network? 

[TwiceHorn 31438]

Juul, from what I have seen, has exercised some galactically bad corporate judgment.

Makes you wonder if PM/Altria is trying to crater vaping through Juul.

[immortal13 4059]

2 hours ago, Johnny Chimpo said:

Get a Pax 3. It’s a hand held flower or concentrate vape that you can load yourself. I have one and I love it. I got it for that same reason, don’t really like the idea of using pre loaded vape cartridges long term. There’s a few other brands that make similar products all you have to do is some online research to find them. 

Is the Pax 3 better than the Pax 2? I use mine so little I forget I even own the damn thing

[Johnny Chimpo 478]

12 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Is the Pax 3 better than the Pax 2? I use mine so little I forget I even own the damn thing

Well I honestly couldn’t compare the two since I’ve never used the 2 but the battery has never run out on me when I take it out for a day of skiing or out to the bars and a bowl lasts 10-15 hits. You can adjust the vape temp in 4 increments. I usually start at 50% and increase as I deplete the bowl. Overall it’s handy and discreet enough to meet my needs. 

[immortal13 4059]

1 minute ago, Johnny Chimpo said:

Well I honestly couldn’t compare the two since I’ve never used the 2 but the battery has never run out on me when I take it out for a day of skiing or out to the bars and a bowl lasts 10-15 hits. You can adjust the vape temp in 4 increments. I usually start at 50% and increase as I deplete the bowl. Overall it’s handy and discreet enough to meet my needs. 

Do you use it just for bud?

[Tailgate 3021]

Yeah...you really only want to grab these at a legit shop in a legalized state.

[Johnny Chimpo 478]

5 minutes ago, immortal13 said:

Do you use it just for bud?

I got the concentrate insert and I’ve used that although just a few times. Didn’t have any issues with it. Definitely mostly bud though. I’m pretty lightweight, not the kind of guy who does a lot of dabs. 

[hobbes2702 13029]

2 hours ago, Johnny Chimpo said:

Get a Pax 3. It’s a hand held flower or concentrate vape that you can load yourself. I have one and I love it. I got it for that same reason, don’t really like the idea of using pre loaded vape cartridges long term. There’s a few other brands that make similar products all you have to do is some online research to find them. 

Have one as well. Do you travel with yours by chance?

[Johnny Chimpo 478]

 

Just now, hobbes2702 said:

Have one as well. Do you travel with yours by chance?

When I fly I usually bring the pax era and put it in my toiletry kit just because I feel it’s so discreet. 

[InkaUtexas 25857]

2 hours ago, Brad Wesley said:

It sounds like the issue might be related to unsafe or unregulated products, particularly those with THC. When it comes to vaping, the source of your products is crucial. The "vaping sickness epidemic" you're referring to might be due to black-market cartridges or products that aren’t properly vetted. Sticking to well-regulated and reputable brands is essential to avoid harmful chemicals that could lead to serious health issues.

I actually quit regular smoking by switching to vaping, and I’ve found it to be a much healthier alternative. However, I can't stress enough how important it is to buy your vapes from verified shops to ensure you’re getting a safe product. Just like with this vaping illness, using unverified or counterfeit products can be dangerous. That's why I always recommend buying from trusted sources like Nexus Smoke.

So bradley, what do you do for a living?

[Bender Bending Rodriguez 1678]

Brad Wesley’s going after the Double Duece and bringing a JC Penny to town.