2018 - Elections and Trends

[GRHorn 105]

I think this last tangent just goes to show that most people, willingly or not, socialize with people with similar political beliefs.

It’s also not surprising that the vast majority of posters on this board believe they and the people they know are getting more “liberal”.

[David Dennison 18655]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

Still stuck in the mid-40s as an incumbent is such an awful place to be.

Also NV polls always underestimate the Democrats, because of Vegas.  Republicans always seem to lead in the polls. I mean, just ask Senator Angle, Senator Heck and Trump, who totally won NV, right?

Yeah, if you're an incumbent and you aren't at 50%, you are in trouble.

[GRHorn 105]

For the sake of discussion, let’s say Milennials get no more “conservative” as they get older. Going through some of the positions in my head. 

Love some of the social stances. Drug legalization, gay marriage (don’t care), less emphasis on gun control, less in favor of abortion. 

Hate the outrage mob mentality/political correctness. Extremely worried about their interpretation of the first amendment. 

I think they’ve gotten screwed by student debt situation, but populist candidate/movement will eventually vote to erase some or all of that.

As an aside, I am concerned about their overall diminished work ethic. I’ve seen it in my profession just since I’ve been working. They come in expecting more for less. 

I’ll think of other things as they come. 

[David Dennison 18655]

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

For the sake of discussion, let’s say Milennials get no more “conservative” as they get older. Going through some of the positions in my head. 

Love some of the social stances. Drug legalization, gay marriage (don’t care), less emphasis on gun control, less in favor of abortion. 

Hate the outrage mob mentality/political correctness. Extremely worried about their interpretation of the first amendment. 

I think they’ve gotten screwed by student debt situation, but populist candidate/movement will eventually vote to erase some or all of that.

As an aside, I am concerned about their overall diminished work ethic. I’ve seen it in my profession just since I’ve been working. They come in expecting more for less. 

I’ll think of other things as they come. 

I assume you're just as critical of the right's outrage mob mentality/political correctness?

[Dropout 355]

LOLZ at the idea of the majority of millennials becoming anything close to conservative. Conservative millennials will be the overwhelming minority as they are now. Once millennials take over it’s a fast track to overly progressive views only emboldened by Gen Z.

There will be healthcare for all. Education will be a priority as our kids will not go through the same bs we did. Think marijuana is the end? Watch out for psychedelics. After that who knows. Anyone will be able to marry anyone and most will not care. Women will do any job a man does and be better at it. Racism? In case you haven’t noticed sex and the inevitable offspring is prevalent across racial lines. This trend will only continue. Work ethic? Robots will be programmed with a superb work ethic. Young people are moving to cities in record numbers, vacating small towns, and connecting with those around them. The Internet and social media changed the game.

[seven 1366]

I'd like to know why gr thinks millenials are less in favor of gun control and abortion 

And pc/anti first amendment thing is severely overblown by the right wing media. The people you are afraid of are dorks looking for attention. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by seven

[Chuckie Finster 22599]

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Edited October 9, 2018 by Chuckie Finster

[Dropout 355]

5 minutes ago, seven said:

I'd like to know why gr thinks millenials are less in favor of gun control and abortion 

And pc/anti first amendment thing is severely overblown by the right wing media. The people you are afraid of are dorks looking for attention. 

The kids marching in the street is fake news. Women are having less sex now than before and abortions are a thing of the past.

[Dropout 355]

Coming from you I’ll take that as a compliment. Thank you.

[Voldemort86 2259]

3 hours ago, seven said:

As an old man millenial (36) I can tell you that in general the homophobia, transphobia, and (more recently emphasized) racism from the gop is completely off-putting to people in this generation. The gop will drop that eventually, but it will be interesting to see if it's too late. 

 

Even the "conservative" millenials I know are turned off completely by the toxic social platform of Republicans.

I think the last Texas legislative session pissed a lot of people off. Most people think Dan Patrick is a disgusting loon. It’s sad that Abbott has taken a backseat to that creep. Unfortunately, it looks like potty Patrick’s strategy to keep Texas red is to clamp down on the social issues and drive us as far right as possible and it makes me sick. Next year, we might see a bathroom bill and school vouchers put in place.

its also very disappointing that over 80% of Texans support medical marijuana and I’d bet over 50% of Texans support recreational marijuana, but the legislature totally ignores that while they continue to fight about bathrooms. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by Voldemort86

[Gil Bang 25897]

21 minutes ago, Dropout said:

LOLZ at the idea of the majority of millennials becoming anything close to conservative. Conservative millennials will be the overwhelming minority as they are now. Once millennials take over it’s a fast track to overly progressive views only emboldened by Gen Z.

There will be healthcare for all. Education will be a priority as our kids will not go through the same bs we did. Think marijuana is the end? Watch out for psychedelics. After that who knows. Anyone will be able to marry anyone and most will not care. Women will do any job a man does and be better at it. Racism? In case you haven’t noticed sex and the inevitable offspring is prevalent across racial lines. This trend will only continue. Work ethic? Robots will be programmed with a superb work ethic. Young people are moving to cities in record numbers, vacating small towns, and connecting with those around them. The Internet and social media changed the game.

Sounds like you're predicting that soon I will be able to have interracial sex with a robot.  Giggity. 

[GRHorn 105]

9 minutes ago, seven said:

I'd like to know why gr thinks millenials are less in favor of gun control and abortion 

And pc/anti first amendment thing is severely overblown by the right wing media. The people you are afraid of are dorks looking for attention. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/millennials-are-less-likely-support-gun-control-you-d-think-n610546

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/23/abortion-generation-demographics-choice-life-column/24900705/

As far as the PC thing goes that absolutely started on the Left.  The Right is using now too, which I disagree with. I don’t care to force people to apologize for saying anything unapproved. 

[Dropout 355]

1 minute ago, Gil Bang said:

Sounds like you're predicting that soon I will be able to have interracial sex with a robot.  Giggity. 

You haven’t heard?

[Js1 85104]

18 minutes ago, seven said:

I'd like to know why gr thinks millenials are less in favor of gun control and abortion 

And pc/anti first amendment thing is severely overblown by the right wing media. The people you are afraid of are dorks looking for attention. 

Most millennials were in or soon to be entering high school when columbine happened. They’ve seen the continued non action by republicans on that front 

[Js1 85104]

29 minutes ago, Dropout said:

LOLZ at the idea of the majority of millennials becoming anything close to conservative. Conservative millennials will be the overwhelming minority as they are now. Once millennials take over it’s a fast track to overly progressive views only emboldened by Gen Z.

There will be healthcare for all. Education will be a priority as our kids will not go through the same bs we did. Think marijuana is the end? Watch out for psychedelics. After that who knows. Anyone will be able to marry anyone and most will not care. Women will do any job a man does and be better at it. Racism? In case you haven’t noticed sex and the inevitable offspring is prevalent across racial lines. This trend will only continue. Work ethic? Robots will be programmed with a superb work ethic. Young people are moving to cities in record numbers, vacating small towns, and connecting with those around them. The Internet and social media changed the game.

Sign. Me. Up. 

[Horn Dog 9671]

All I know is I keep getting older, and them liberal college girls are staying the same age.

[seven 1366]

13 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/millennials-are-less-likely-support-gun-control-you-d-think-n610546

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/23/abortion-generation-demographics-choice-life-column/24900705/

As far as the PC thing goes that absolutely started on the Left.  The Right is using now too, which I disagree with. I don’t care to force people to apologize for saying anything unapproved. 

I'll check out those links in a bit. 

What I meant is right wing media is fixated on pc zealotry as a scare tactic. It's right up there with "black crime" and a teacher having kids learn a song about Obama. 

[GRHorn 105]

3 minutes ago, seven said:

I'll check out those links in a bit. 

What I meant is right wing media is fixated on pc zealotry as a scare tactic. It's right up there with "black crime" and a teacher having kids learn a song about Obama. 

It’s always been worse on the Left. There was even a movie called PCU with a young Jeremy Piven that was made before I got to college making fun of it. We’ve only “progressed” since then. 

[seven 1366]

nevermind, continue to be afraid for no reason

[G650 14100]

3 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Same and it was very evident at a big dinner we traditionally have on Friday of TX/OU.

Not one positive thing said about Trump and his minions.  Lots of support for Beto, as well..

I’d be willing to bet everyone of them voted for Reagan twice.

Smae here.

[G650 14100]

8 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

It’s always been worse on the Left. There was even a movie called PCU with a young Jeremy Piven that was made before I got to college making fun of it. We’ve only “progressed” since then. 

PCU was before you got into college?

Man, I hate to break it to you, but you aren't old enough to have an opinion on political views vis a vis aging. 

[seven 1366]

i'm waiting for onboard to come in and proclaim that PCU couldn't be made today

[G650 14100]

He's Mayflower material  I assume.

[GRHorn 105]

15 minutes ago, G650 said:

PCU was before you got into college?

Man, I hate to break it to you, but you aren't old enough to have an opinion on political views vis a vis aging. 

I was at Ut 97-01. I’m 39, with 4 kids.  I hope to have a long way to go, but already my views have evolved from supporting Ralph Nader to conservative today. It’s only anecdotal, but I’m going off my experience.   I’m sure my thoughts on a lot of things will shift over time. 

[Celery Man 20883]

Getting more conservative as you get older (and have more of a stake in the status quo) is one thing, but is a separate thing then what is going on here and why millennials are not going to defect to the GOP in droves as they approach 40.  Because this is not the conservative people and the liberal people, this is the Trump people and a big jumbled mess of everyone else.  Including a lot of people like me who 4 years ago would have happily described themselves as socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  I still would, but priority #1 is stopping this systematic destruction of American values and government.  If the GOP entirely goes down in flames and is replaced with a completely new fiscally conservative party that is free from the yoke of "Christians" and ethnonationalism and has modern views on social policies, I could be wooed back.  But the stench of this will be on the GOP for a long time and I can't see casting a ballot for a person who has aligned themselves with this movement.

[G650 14100]

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

I was at Ut 97-01. I’m 39, with 4 kids.  I hope to have a long way to go, but already my views have evolved from supporting Ralph Nader to conservative today. It’s only anecdotal, but I’m going off my experience.   I’m sure my thoughts on a lot of things will shift over time. 

I'm not disproving your thesis. Just saying, that's all.

 

I agree with the others, I've gotten more liberal. Then again, I'd never consider an idiot like Nader. I voted for Dole.

[G650 14100]

1 minute ago, Celery Man said:

Getting more conservative as you get older (and have more of a stake in the status quo) is one thing, but is a separate thing then what is going on here and why millennials are not going to defect to the GOP in droves as they approach 40.  Because this is not the conservative people and the liberal people, this is the Trump people and a big jumbled mess of everyone else.  Including a lot of people like me who 4 years ago would have happily described themselves as socially liberal and fiscally conservative.  I still would, but priority #1 is stopping this systematic destruction of American values and government.  If the GOP entirely goes down in flames and is replaced with a completely new fiscally conservative party that is free from the yoke of "Christians" and ethnonationalism and has modern views on social policies, I could be wooed back.  But the stench of this will be on the GOP for a long time and I can't see casting a ballot for a person who has aligned themselves with this movement.

100%

[GRHorn 105]

5 minutes ago, G650 said:

I'm not disproving your thesis. Just saying, that's all.

 

I agree with the others, I've gotten more liberal. Then again, I'd never consider an idiot like Nader. I voted for Dole.

What can I say?  I was young and dumb. 

[Pancho 44466]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/millennials-are-less-likely-support-gun-control-you-d-think-n610546

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/03/23/abortion-generation-demographics-choice-life-column/24900705/

As far as the PC thing goes that absolutely started on the Left.  The Right is using now too, which I disagree with. I don’t care to force people to apologize for saying anything unapproved. 

Who is forcing people to apologize?  Evidence of a forced apology? 

 I'm sure you're okay with certain people just dropping n-bombs left and right, so it's cool. 

[Aqua Buddha 14504]

Lulz at the Boomers being "conservative."  They fully support the welfare state through entitlements and they just want to prop that up even if it means the death of everything else.  

[Buzzrock 14870]

Who is forcing people to apologize?  Evidence of a forced apology? 
 I'm sure you're okay with certain people just dropping n-bombs left and right, so it's cool. 

Here’s a local example of what I think he’s talking about:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/professor-apologizes-for-calling-gop-candidate-nice-guy-on-twitter

Also there are some weird things going on like comedians going back and apologizing for some of their past material, or deciding that certain things are off limits.

[Pancho 44466]

3 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

 

Here’s a local example of what I think he’s talking about:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/professor-apologizes-for-calling-gop-candidate-nice-guy-on-twitter

Also there are some weird things going on like comedians going back and apologizing for some of their past material, or deciding that certain things are off limits.

 

I think you called me racist one time on here and I’m not sure what that was about.

 

Even in that link, it doesn’t say the university forced him to apologize.  I haven’t seen anywhere where there has been a forced apology. And I’d gladly welcome evidence.

[GSU&UT 1798]

Protip for the olds here. I'm a 31 year old millennial who just bought a house, has a young daughter, and got a huge pay increase when I took this job last year right around the time she was born. If anything I'm even more liberal now and even more willing to pay higher taxes now because I am so sick of all of the old whites giving zero fucks about any social services beyond SS and Medicare (they hypocritically think somehow these aren't socialist-like policies), sick of them supporting a party that is doing nothing to help the majority of Americans, and completely denying the overwhelming evidence that shows we're destroying this world with carbon emissions.

[Aqua Buddha 14504]

1 minute ago, GSU&UT said:

Protip for the olds here. I'm a 31 year old millennial who just bought a house, has a young daughter, and got a huge pay increase when I took this job last year right around the time she was born. If anything I'm even more liberal now and even more willing to pay higher taxes now because I am so sick of all of the old whites giving zero fucks about any social services beyond SS and Medicare (they hypocritically think somehow these aren't socialist-like policies), sick of them supporting a party that is doing nothing to help the majority of Americans, and completely denying the overwhelming evidence that shows we're destroying this world with carbon emissions.

Like I said earlier, the idea that millennials are going to have kids and then start voting for the party that wants to gut public education so the Koch's can have a tax cut is laughable.

[Hank Kingsley 20680]

 

[Celery Man 20883]

2 minutes ago, GSU&UT said:

Protip for the olds here. I'm a 31 year old millennial who just bought a house, has a young daughter, and got a huge pay increase when I took this job last year right around the time she was born. If anything I'm even more liberal now and even more willing to pay higher taxes now because I am so sick of all of the old whites giving zero fucks about any social services beyond SS and Medicare (they hypocritically think somehow these aren't socialist-like policies), sick of them supporting a party that is doing nothing to help the majority of Americans, and completely denying the overwhelming evidence that shows we're destroying this world with carbon emissions.

congrats homie, on several counts.

Similar vein as above - I'm enjoying the economy as far as my 401k, IRAs, and other investments are concerned.  I also remember the housing market going bananas in 2007.

 

[GSU&UT 1798]

14 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Like I said earlier, the idea that millennials are going to have kids and then start voting for the party that wants to gut public education so the Koch's can have a tax cut is laughable.

Yeah it's wild that we're somehow on board with gutting public school education funding in favor of charter schools that often skirt around accreditation. I really didn't want to move way out to the suburbs just for the stereotypical "schools are better reason" but it completely changes when you're thinking about your kid. At the very least it's in an area that isn't pure white flight but a very good proportional mix of the greater atlanta area's racial makeup.

I know Brisket and a few others have talked about Betsy Devos being a big reason suburban moms are starting to leave the notion of voting whatever their husbands do. I can only hope we see that reflected come November.

Edited October 10, 2018 by GSU&UT

[jettrink 41]

On 6/15/2018 at 10:44 PM, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

So what?  Sessions sucks as bad as lyod dogshit.  Speaking of ole lyod is the fucker still alive?

[GRHorn 105]

51 minutes ago, Pancho Negro said:

Who is forcing people to apologize?  Evidence of a forced apology? 

 I'm sure you're okay with certain people just dropping n-bombs left and right, so it's cool. 

Not sure if serious.  This shit happens all the time. Here’s one from a couple days ago. 

As far as you saying im okay with certain people dropping N-Bombs, you don’t know me, we’ve never met, and you can pound sand. 

[Gil Bang 25897]

Spoiler

 

 

[Gil Bang 25897]

Just watched the Utah Senate debate.  Pretty fucking civil. Wilson's last remarks were along the lines of  "please vote. I hope you'll vote for me but if you choose to vote for Mr. Romney, that's fine, he's a great guy". 

[Patrick Bateman 3903]

19 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

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Dude should be fired...... what a dope.

[bolverk 29399]

The notion that people become more conservative as the age hasn't been proven to be statistically accurate. A study I read about a few years ago demonstrated that the events that take place in your early voting years tend to "bake in" the party that you vote for. Here's a good Upshot piece that shows that data:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/07/08/upshot/how-the-year-you-were-born-influences-your-politics.html

And, to discount an anecdotal story told above, I voted Nader in '96 and '00. Since then, my political views have only solidified - albeit, I'm more "pragmatic" now in how I think change can be affected. 

[Js1 85104]

 

[Voldemort86 2259]

41 minutes ago, Gil Bang said:

Just watched the Utah Senate debate.  Pretty fucking civil. Wilson's last remarks were along the lines of  "please vote. I hope you'll vote for me but if you choose to vote for Mr. Romney, that's fine, he's a great guy". 

I want to somehow watch the Arizona senate debate, Florida govenor debate, and Wisconsin Governor debate.

 

i hear the Wisconsin senate debate was very heated and the repub in the Indiana debate sucked.

[Pancho 44466]

59 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Not sure if serious.  This shit happens all the time. Here’s one from a couple days ago. 

As far as you saying im okay with certain people dropping N-Bombs, you don’t know me, we’ve never met, and you can pound sand. 

Where is this forced? Who exactly is doing the forcing?

no denial about the nbomb I see

[Gil Bang 25897]

 

[Dahobbs 17444]

2 hours ago, GRHorn said:

I was at Ut 97-01. I’m 39, with 4 kids.  I hope to have a long way to go, but already my views have evolved from supporting Ralph Nader to conservative today. It’s only anecdotal, but I’m going off my experience.   I’m sure my thoughts on a lot of things will shift over time. 

So, sticking with bad decisions all the way? Sometimes that is the only pattern. 

[Jack Burton 35]

Well at least it wasn't a Libertarian

[Bama Chick 28596]