Alex Jones

[Brisketexan 105098]

lol, jury question 1 was a humdinger.
oh christ, question 2 is insane.

Summary?

[sidis 9827]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Summary?

the second sounded like jones's own ramblings.  not surprisingly, there was an objection and the judge is not going to allow it.

Edited August 3, 2022 by sidis

[lemonlime 5503]

Does the jury verdict need to be unanimous?  It sounds like the first two questions are from a right wing lunatic juror?  But the rest of the questions are far more rational.

[Chewbacca 7774]

5 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

Is bankruptcy fraud a legit concern here ?

Well, seeing how he's already in the midst of it, I'd say yes.

[HornPhD 1368]

12 minutes ago, chainsaw said:

hope theyre having a productive time at the texas chili parlor

That was my favorite part of jury duty in Austin. 

[BrickHorn 18219]

The idea that Jones provides ANY training to his employees or could ever provide “better” training is laughable. That question is a bad sign. The jury doesn’t understand what an unprofessional clusterfuck of reckless incompetence and greed InfoWars is. 

[sidis 9827]

1 minute ago, lemonlime said:

Does the jury verdict need to be unanimous?  It sounds like the first two questions are from a right wing lunatic juror?  But the rest of the questions are far more rational.

no, this is not criminal, it is civil.  likely just a majority.

[BrickHorn 18219]

Just now, sidis said:

no, this is not criminal, it is civil.  likely just a majority.

They’re not deciding liability, just amount. So the jury will likely haggle and come up with some number that falls between whatever the two extremes are.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

He’s back on the stand

[gernblansten 3196]

29 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

he's exactly right in re: client control.  but also b/c with the discovery stuff, that's his professional responsibility and duty.  defense counsel's taking a huge hit personally and professionally.

yo...dude's fucked. 

 

Not sure it was about client control.  I think it was more about "you need to put your malpractice insurer on notice."

[HRSchenker 2268]

I'm still blown away that InfoWars was pulling in $800k a day at one point. Alex really makes it seem like no one can find his show anymore and he's one bad revenue day away from having to "kneel to the devil worshipping globalists". Hell if this is what cancel culture is like then cancel my ass right now!

[chainsaw 9866]

Did he just admit Adam Lanza committed the shooting?

[lemonlime 5503]

4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

They’re not deciding liability, just amount. So the jury will likely haggle and come up with some number that falls between whatever the two extremes are.

So is this on punitives?  If there's no question on liability, why is any of this relevant?  Shouldn't it all be about the harm the plaintiffs suffered, not what Jones did?

 

[Goredho 17399]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

He’s back on the stand

[BrickHorn 18219]

If I were the plaintiff’s attorney, I would contrast Jones’s crocodile tears and empty promises to do better with his broadcasts DURING THE TRIAL in which he belligerently insulted and spread baseless conspiracy theories about the plaintiffs, the judge, and the jury. 

Do you really believe he won’t do this to some poor parents again? He did it to these parents just this week. And he did it to YOU. 

Edited August 3, 2022 by BrickHorn

[Bama Chick 28596]

This is brutal. 

This is AWESOME.

[Zepol87 9185]

What is your definition of blue collar!!! lol

[South Austin 52475]

3 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

So is this on punitives?  If there's no question on liability, why is any of this relevant?  Shouldn't it all be about the harm the plaintiffs suffered, not what Jones did?

 

What Jones did is relevant to the level of state of mind required to assess punitives, so there’s some crossover of evidence from liability to damages.

[BrickHorn 18219]

Just now, Zepol87 said:

What is your definition of blue collar!!! lol

tl;dr: people who don’t know anything.

[South Austin 52475]

This is fucking great. Gamble is grilling him on his answers to the jury’s questions.

[Zepol87 9185]

Wow this is nuts

[South Austin 52475]

I’m dying here.

[BrickHorn 18219]

She’s letting him monologue on his “kangaroo court” theme. I’m not a fan of that. 

[South Austin 52475]

When asked if he thinks he’s getting a fair trial:  “It’s an old republic, so maybe it’s time to go.”

[GhostOfTomJoad 9324]

Fucker just invoked spider man: with great power comes great responsibility

[BrickHorn 18219]

$70 million in revenue last year. That could give the jury a concrete hook to set damages.

[South Austin 52475]

I think the jury asked those questions purely for entertainment—not evidentiary—value.

[lemonlime 5503]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

What Jones did is relevant to the level of state of mind required to assess punitives, so there’s some crossover of evidence from liability to damages.

Thanks.  This whole thing seems so weird to me procedurally.  I'm a lawyer, but not in TX, and I've never seen the punitive stuff come into play during the initial trial.  Or that the jury could ask the witnesses questions.

And if I'm recalling correctly, the admission on liability was entered by the court due to Jones not providing discovery, and not because he just admitted liability. But the "good" side of admitting liability from a defense standpoint is that the defendant's motives and stupidity shouldn't be before the jury.

I need to stop spending so much time on this in any event, but I can't look away from this shit show.

[chainsaw 9866]

Can't blame the jury here. How many chances do you get to force Alex Jones to answer a question under oath

[South Austin 52475]

8 minutes ago, lemonlime said:

Thanks.  This whole thing seems so weird to me procedurally.  I'm a lawyer, but not in TX, and I've never seen the punitive stuff come into play during the initial trial.  Or that the jury could ask the witnesses questions.

And if I'm recalling correctly, the admission on liability was entered by the court due to Jones not providing discovery, and not because he just admitted liability. But the "good" side of admitting liability from a defense standpoint is that the defendant's motives and stupidity shouldn't be before the jury.

I need to stop spending so much time on this in any event, but I can't look away from this shit show.

Texas lawyer here, and while I admittedly haven’t been following this case as much as others, here’s the basics:

Typically the punitives phase is bifurcated from liability. Among other reasons, we don’t want juries hearing how much money a person or company makes when they’re deciding liability. Same reason we don’t allow juries to hear whether a defendant has liability insurance. I gather that’s the same in your state.

There wasn’t an “admission” of liability per se. The judge issued a judgment on liability by default as a “death penalty” sanction for Jones’s discovery abuse. So the case essentially skipped the liability phase of trial and went straight to damages. 

There’s a high threshold for upholding that kind of death penalty sanction for discovery abuse, and I’m not up to speed on all the shit Jones pulled to warrant that. But I suspect that’s going to be point of error No. 1 on appeal. Judge Gamble is pretty sharp, so hopefully she’s made a strong record for her default judgment to survive appeal.

Edited August 3, 2022 by South Austin

[Michael Knight 12977]

 

[Native Horn 3501]

Looks like Alex may need a diaper break pretty soon.

[Captainant 27656]

6 minutes ago, South Austin said:

There’s a high threshold for upholding that kind of death penalty sanction for discovery abuse, and I’m not up to speed on all the shit Jones pulled to warrant that. But I suspect that’s going to be point of error No. 1 on appeal. Judge Gamble is pretty sharp, so hopefully she’s made a strong record for her default judgment to survive appeal.

For context: jones has drawn this process out over four years, either completely not responding to discovery requests, or returning completely random shit ranging from a 183 page background check on a plaintiff for a DIFFERENT defamation case to child porn (no shit)

[BrickHorn 18219]

4 minutes ago, Captainant said:

For context: jones has drawn this process out over four years, either completely not responding to discovery requests, or returning completely random shit ranging from a 183 page background check on a plaintiff for a DIFFERENT defamation case to child porn (no shit)

The Court gave Alex plenty of rope. 

[Brisketexan 105098]

21 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

She’s letting him monologue on his “kangaroo court” theme. I’m not a fan of that. 

 

20 minutes ago, South Austin said:

When asked if he thinks he’s getting a fair trial:  “It’s an old republic, so maybe it’s time to go.”

I truly LOVE this.  And this is what he and his ilk do with complete regularity:

1) the court system and the right to trial by jury is sacred!

2) I refuse to participate in your bs court system!  I won't respond to any discovery, I won't participate in the process as required by the rules and the law.  No, not even after you warn me a dozen times of what the consequences will be!

[WELL-ESTABLISHED AND ENTIRELY LEGAL CONSEQUENCES THEN ENSUE]

3) I am not getting my right to participate in the court system!

 

All ripped from the pages of "Fuck Around and Find Out Monthly: a journal of shit that happens to dumbasses"

 

[Goredho 17399]

I hope this fucker gets his alpha-boost atrophied balls nailed to the wall.  It is high time people like him who insist on a non-facts based "reality" at the expense of other people's pain and suffering to start paying a real price for it.

[Brisketexan 105098]

Just now, BrickHorn said:

The Court gave Alex plenty of rope. 

Yep.  The i's were dotted and the t's crossed.  Jones functionally said "fuck you, I dare you to sanction me."  The court said "challenge accepted."

What I don't know for sure is if the Ct. of Appeals can also consider evidence and conduct AFTER the death-penalty sanction was levied in determining that it was warranted/well within the judge's discretion.  For example, Jones openly committing perjury a dozen times today.....that's pretty relevant to his disdain for all rules, and the need to sanction him.

[atomheartbevo 89656]

30 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

The idea that Jones provides ANY training to his employees or could ever provide “better” training is laughable. That question is a bad sign. The jury doesn’t understand what an unprofessional clusterfuck of reckless incompetence and greed InfoWars is. 

23 minutes ago, HRSchenker said:

I'm still blown away that InfoWars was pulling in $800k a day at one point. Alex really makes it seem like no one can find his show anymore and he's one bad revenue day away from having to "kneel to the devil worshipping globalists". Hell if this is what cancel culture is like then cancel my ass right now!

I’ve known people who worked on his shows/sites (on the technical side - it was a job,  nothing more, and it was before the Sandy Hook stuff), and they felt that if it was run slightly differently, dialing back the awful shit like Sandy Hook, and if Jones and his buddies were less focused on their own bloviating, and more in tune with outside stuff, including looking at actual shady shit and actual conspiracy stuff, that Jones could have been as big as as Q/Qanon, only without the some of the stigma.  And Jones would have had more than one interview with Trump, and he wouldn’t be facing the loss of everything.

[jimmyjazz 45903]

I'm curious:  is his head that fat because of steroids or food and alcohol?

"Yes" is an acceptable answer.

I mean, my noggin's a little bigger than it was when I was 25, too, but holy smokes dude, look in the mirror.

[hayden_horn 11362]

27 minutes ago, Michael Knight said:

 

is this grounds for ineffective counsel? the giving away of the texts, i mean.

judge is so done with alex 

 

[hayden_horn 11362]

btw, live youtube link:

 

live comments are chef's fucking kiss too

[Fastbreak 3985]

With all this, I bet he gets a hand slap and a “bad boy!”

[Captainant 27656]

Hah holy shit I just realized that 2 year snapshot of texts will include the events of Jan6. 

[Brisketexan 105098]

3 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

is this grounds for ineffective counsel? the giving away of the texts, i mean.

 

1) "ineffective counsel" isn't really a thing in civil matters.  Your remedy there is a malpractice claim against your attorney.

2) it's really hard to complain about your attorney when the complaint is "hey....he produced discoverable information in response to valid discovery requests!"  Yeah, "that SOB followed the rules!" isn't a good complaint in any context.

3) MAYBE he has a complaint about the atty blanket producing info that includes atty-client privileged stuff, but being that opposing counsel 1) didn't use any of it, and 2) followed the rules and informed AJ's lawyer that he may want to claw some of that info back (as is contemplated by the rules), there's probably no harm no foul there, either.

 

TLDR: o the extent AJ is assfucked, he jammed the giant phallus up there himself.  All his attorney did was fail to stop him, and I suspect that was mission impossible anyway.

[Mdhorn 5948]

1 hour ago, GhostOfTomJoad said:

Fucker just invoked spider man: with great power comes great responsibility

Well, he's a cartoon character.  Most thoughtful people can identify the cray unless they're broken. 

[Brisketexan 105098]

16 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

btw, live youtube link:

 

live comments are chef's fucking kiss too

Some are delightful.  We have the stupidest people on earth.

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What type of Kangaroo Court tells the Jury the Defendant is liable before they even hear the case and just asks them to name the amount to pay , will be easily be overturned and Judge arrested

replace the statue of liberty with a statue of Alex. land of the free

Whatever the outcome, at least this judge has been exposed.

JEW KANGAROO COURT

Yet on occasion, one of them gets a glimmer of reality in their vision....

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Sadly Jones waived his rights to a fair trial by refusing to comply with document requests and discovery. It doesn't make a bit of sense to me, why he did that.

Gosh.....I wonder why that is, internet commenter?

[TwiceHorn 31452]

11 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

1) "ineffective counsel" isn't really a thing in civil matters.  Your remedy there is a malpractice claim against your attorney.

2) it's really hard to complain about your attorney when the complaint is "hey....he produced discoverable information in response to valid discovery requests!"  Yeah, "that SOB followed the rules!" isn't a good complaint in any context.

3) MAYBE he has a complaint about the atty blanket producing info that includes atty-client privileged stuff, but being that opposing counsel 1) didn't use any of it, and 2) followed the rules and informed AJ's lawyer that he may want to claw some of that info back (as is contemplated by the rules), there's probably no harm no foul there, either.

 

TLDR: o the extent AJ is assfucked, he jammed the giant phallus up there himself.  All his attorney did was fail to stop him, and I suspect that was mission impossible anyway.

I'm a little unclear here.  So, he produced an entire image of Jones' cell phone?  Assuming that was within the scope of requests for production, there's nothing wrong with that.  Jones may not like it, but there may not be much basis for withholding it.

I could see that the phone image might contain attorney-client privileged info and that could be a big issue.  But, like you said, opposing counsel has some obligation to notify producing counsel that there may be privileged stuff and he may want to move the court to claw it back on the basis of inadvertent production.

And, it's all more or less moot if opposing counsel isn't using it, although what constitutes "using" it may be a debate.  It doesn't just mean introducing it as evidence at trial, it could be used for more subtle purposes, like formulating questions.

[Chewbacca 7774]

Are we likely to get a verdict today?  I have shit to do but this trial has sucked me in.

[Francisco 2.0 32389]

18 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Hah holy shit I just realized that 2 year snapshot of texts will include the events of Jan6. 

 

Law enforcement gonna love his phone.

 

 

[BrickHorn 18219]

3 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

Law enforcement gonna love his phone.

 

 

I wonder if this is why he reportedly hauled ass out of the courthouse today. Maybe Jones was rushing to call his criminal defense attorneys.

Edited August 3, 2022 by BrickHorn