Alex Jones

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

Yeah, the thing is, though, I'm not sure how long counsel will want to go on contingency for collection stuff.

I think in this particular instance, Bankston's firm is in for the long haul and for the publicity.  I'm not so sure about the Connecticut plaintiffs' counsel, which might explain why they wanted Jones' case converted instead of dismissed.

[dcbc 14,568]

24 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, the thing is, though, I'm not sure how long counsel will want to go on contingency for collection stuff.

I think in this particular instance, Bankston's firm is in for the long haul and for the publicity.  I'm not so sure about the Connecticut plaintiffs' counsel, which might explain why they wanted Jones' case converted instead of dismissed.

It's been a while, but I remember a time when it was never too difficult to find a collection lawyer.  They might not be the "best lawyers," but some of them still can root through the garbage.

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

10 minutes ago, dcbc said:

It's been a while, but I remember a time when it was never too difficult to find a collection lawyer.  They might not be the "best lawyers," but some of them still can root through the garbage.

Yeah, true, an interesting niche of our profession.  But I think most of them tend to assume there's not massive fraudulent transferring going on.  They just want to file petitions on sworn accounts, take default or summary judgment, and get some cents on the dollar.

[dcbc 14,568]

3 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Yeah, true, an interesting niche of our profession.  But I think most of them tend to assume there's not massive fraudulent transferring going on.  They just want to file petitions on sworn accounts, take default or summary judgment, and get some cents on the dollar.

Well, the bulk of my experience before changing the course on my career was in defending an entity in a multi-million dollar, post-judgment, fraudulent transfer case against an individual who allegedly controlled that entity.  So my  previous statement was based on limited, anecdotal experience.  It also formed my opinion of being a trial lawyer and made me appreciate every moment of every day that I no longer am a litigator.  Those were some wild, formative years to be a mid-20-something layer, working for a solo without much of a net.  Quite a crucible.  

Edited June 25 by dcbc

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5 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Well because FSS/infowars is liquidated or will be, it's not like there's an ongoing revenue stream. It's expected that those customers will have to find another source of bullshit. 

@Brisketexan here’s a chance to grift off of the MAGA rubes.

[dcbc 14,568]

14 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

@Brisketexan here’s a chance to grift off of the MAGA rubes.

Or we could just use it to talk shit about aggy . . . while aggy sends us money because . . . infowars.

[Biff Tannen 45,763]

5 hours ago, dcbc said:

I get the feeling that the plaintiffs do not wholly equate justice with dollars but rather with making Jones pay.

This is what we all hoped Dominion would do to Fox News, but alas.

[dcbc 14,568]

2 hours ago, Biff Tannen said:

This is what we all hoped Dominion would do to Fox News, but alas.

Other than the whole good versus evil angle, the cases aren't remotely similar in facts and emotions.  Jones went after their murdered children.  I don't think it's out of the question to suspect we've got a Fred Goldman-type among the plaintiff's who will make it his life's work to keep Jones flinching at shadows for the rest of his life.

Edited June 26 by dcbc

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2 hours ago, dcbc said:

Other than the whole good versus evil angle, the cases aren't remotely similar in facts and emotions.  Jones went after their murdered children.  I don't think it's out of the question to suspect we've got a Fred Goldman-type among the plaintiff's who will make it his life's work to keep Jones flinching at shadows for the rest of his life.

He will make life a living hell for Alex for the rest of his life.  He's wiped his google search background completely.  Maybe a lifelock type of security.  The pics he has in the background when on TV are coursing through his veins. A Time to Kill.  

Edited June 26 by TDunk

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

Even though Jones is a socio-psychopath, I can't imagine that it is much fun having to worry where every incoming dime goes in order to avoid seizure by the plaintiffs.

It would drive me nuts, but I'm not much of a psycho.

[BrickHorn 18,318]

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

It would drive me nuts, but I'm not much of a psycho.

That’s exactly what a psycho would say.

[TDunk 590]

5 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

Even though Jones is a socio-psychopath, I can't imagine that it is much fun having to worry where every incoming dime goes in order to avoid seizure by the plaintiffs.

It would drive me nuts, but I'm not much of a psycho.

Have you ever had a daughter killed and then besmirched by some asshole?  If I had the means, then no psycho.  Fuck Alex and the legal system for allowing his propaganda to go on way too long.  

Edited June 26 by TDunk

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

So, this kind of sucks.  FSS/Infowars bankruptcy was dismissed, leaving collection efforts to be governed by state law.

The Texas plaintiffs, who are fewer in number and awarded less money,   The Texas plaintiffs also got their judgment first and filed a fraudulent transfer suit in Texas.

Upon the dismissal of the bankruptcy, the Texas plaintiffs moved to seize FSS' bank accounts.  The trustee? in FSS now-dismissed bankruptcy moved to halt that action so that the assets could be liquidated in an orderly fashion, which is kind of bizarre because the bankruptcy has been dismissed, so I don't know what jurisdiction a trustee or the bankruptcy court retains. @Chad Fuck?

Anyway, the Connecticut families wanted FSS to be liquidated in a Chapter 7, to give them a pro-rata share of any proceeds and avoid the creditor free-for-all that bankruptcy is designed to prevent.  So, they got their wish, at least as to some of the assets.

This looks like it is going to be quite a mess for the two sets of plaintiffs, who are now essentially at war with each other over FSS's corpse.  That's pretty sad, I think.

[jimmyjazz 46,470]

Who could have predicted that?

[DigglerontheHoof 21,273]

I'm assuming this means this POS just continues life as usual with no consequences. 

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Who could have predicted that?

It's still going to suck for Jones, but now it probably sucks for the families, too.  And there are more CT families than TX.

[Chad Fuck 17,839]

41 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

So, this kind of sucks.  FSS/Infowars bankruptcy was dismissed, leaving collection efforts to be governed by state law.

The Texas plaintiffs, who are fewer in number and awarded less money,   The Texas plaintiffs also got their judgment first and filed a fraudulent transfer suit in Texas.

Upon the dismissal of the bankruptcy, the Texas plaintiffs moved to seize FSS' bank accounts.  The trustee? in FSS now-dismissed bankruptcy moved to halt that action so that the assets could be liquidated in an orderly fashion, which is kind of bizarre because the bankruptcy has been dismissed, so I don't know what jurisdiction a trustee or the bankruptcy court retains. @Chad Fuck?

Anyway, the Connecticut families wanted FSS to be liquidated in a Chapter 7, to give them a pro-rata share of any proceeds and avoid the creditor free-for-all that bankruptcy is designed to prevent.  So, they got their wish, at least as to some of the assets.

This looks like it is going to be quite a mess for the two sets of plaintiffs, who are now essentially at war with each other over FSS's corpse.  That's pretty sad, I think.

With the caveat that I have not been following this case too closely, it has the feel of the TX side being driven by trial lawyers and the CT side being driven by BK lawyers.

That is to say, the bankruptcy legal culture is to always be looking for a deal, while the plaintiffs law culture is always looking for an individual to get a trial on the merits.  There are pros/cons to both sides.   If I'm the TX Plaintiffs attorney, I want my judgment enforced.  The best way to do that is for a dismissal of the bankruptcy and then act to seize assets.  If I'm the CT bankruptcy attorney, I know everyone is getting a haircut, and since I have no enforceable judgment, it makes sense for my clients to all take something - anything -  distributed through a Trustee.  Because that's all they're ever likely to see.  Of course, once the bankruptcy is dismissed there's nothing to stop them from going directly after the various liable parties either.  

As to the extent of the Trustee's powers once a case is dismissed, I suspect he's trying to preserve assets of the estate on the expectation that the CT claimants (or some other interested party) will appeal the dismissal.  In turn, I think the TX plaintiffs attorneys may be getting bad bankruptcy advice to try and seize the FSS accounts so quickly.  "Dismissed", while seeming to convey finality, is not really the end of things.  You need the Super Really Truly Mega Dismissed as conferred by the District Court, or even Circuit or Supreme Court after appeals play out.  

I think you're correct that we now have CT v TX claimants at odds, and that's a shame, but not unexpected under the circumstances.    But maybe they make some deal as to how to go after Alex and his grifting crew?  The upside for the bystanders is that they can make Alex's life a long living hell.   And maybe that's an upside for some of the plaintiffs.  I have to believe, however, that the revenge party within the plaintiffs' constituency as a whole is probably not as large as the "lets fuck him as hard as we can and get on with our lives" constituency.  That'd be my guess having represented creditors/creditors committees for, well, a long time now.  

Edited June 27 by Chad Fuck

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

1 hour ago, Chad Fuck said:

With the caveat that I have not been following this case too closely, it has the feel of the TX side being driven by trial lawyers and the CT side being driven by BK lawyers.

That is to say, the bankruptcy legal culture is to always be looking for a deal, while the plaintiffs law culture is always looking for an individual to get a trial on the merits.  There are pros/cons to both sides.   If I'm the TX Plaintiffs attorney, I want my judgment enforced.  The best way to do that is for a dismissal of the bankruptcy and then act to seize assets.  If I'm the CT bankruptcy attorney, I know everyone is getting a haircut, and since I have no enforceable judgment, it makes sense for my clients to all take something - anything -  distributed through a Trustee.  Because that's all they're ever likely to see.  Of course, once the bankruptcy is dismissed there's nothing to stop them from going directly after the various liable parties either.  

As to the extent of the Trustee's powers once a case is dismissed, I suspect he's trying to preserve assets of the estate on the expectation that the CT claimants (or some other interested party) will appeal the dismissal.  In turn, I think the TX plaintiffs attorneys may be getting bad bankruptcy advice to try and seize the FSS accounts so quickly.  "Dismissed", while seeming to convey finality, is not really the end of things.  You need the Super Really Truly Mega Dismissed as conferred by the District Court, or even Circuit or Supreme Court after appeals play out.  

I think you're correct that we now have CT v TX claimants at odds, and that's a shame, but not unexpected under the circumstances.    But maybe they make some deal as to how to go after Alex and his grifting crew?  The upside for the bystanders is that they can make Alex's life a long living hell.   And maybe that's an upside for some of the plaintiffs.  I have to believe, however, that the revenge party within the plaintiffs' constituency as a whole is probably not as large as the "lets fuck him as hard as we can and get on with our lives" constituency.  That'd be my guess having represented creditors/creditors committees for, well, a long time now.  

Thanks.  It was also pointed out that the assets of FSS have been held to be assets of Jones, too, and subject to orderly liquidation in his 7. 

[Goredho 17,510]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

This looks like it is going to be quite a mess for the two sets of plaintiffs, who are now essentially at war with each other over FSS's corpse.  That's pretty sad, I think.

Sandy Hook families get to desecrate Alex Jones/Infowards corpse?

[Gatorubet 30,391]

On 6/15/2024 at 9:39 PM, Gatorubet said:

I have to admit, the fact that his wife and father and close associates (and him) will continue to be dogged with litigation - requiring them to pay millions in attorneys fees while plaintiffs give their financial records a deep colonoscopy is not altogether a bad thing.  

The trial lawyers going after improper transfers from Jones is what I was talking about in that post.   They probably think if they give a depo and say, “I did nothing wrong and the lawsuit against me is unfair”, then it will all go away.

<Narrator: It won’t>

They are also about to find out that decent defense counsel do not work for free.

[Gatorubet 30,391]

I had a very brief consumer bankruptcy practice after Katrina, trying to keep the doors open and all.  Occasionally a smooth brain client would transfer assets to friends and family before retaining me, thinking that they were geniuses who could hide their assets from the bankruptcy estate.

The glorious thing about those fraudulent transfers is that the people who received them often immediately started spending the money.  The pain of a fraudulent transfer money claw-back is exponentially multiplied when you’ve already spent it (“ …but I don’t have it all now because I had to pay Jesuit tuition..”) - and now your own financial assets and salary are at risk.   And that was a trustee going after them, not a pack of rabid Texas Trial lawyers. 

[BamaATL 16,593]

1 hour ago, Gatorubet said:

I had a very brief consumer bankruptcy practice after Katrina, trying to keep the doors open and all.  Occasionally a smooth brain client would transfer assets to friends and family before retaining me, thinking that they were geniuses who could hide their assets from the bankruptcy estate.

The glorious thing about those fraudulent transfers is that the people who received them often immediately started spending the money.  The pain of a fraudulent transfer money claw-back is exponentially multiplied when you’ve already spent it (“ …but I don’t have it all now because I had to pay Jesuit tuition..”) - and now your own financial assets and salary are at risk.   And that was a trustee going after them, not a pack of rabid Texas Trial lawyers. 

But on the bottom of the check I wrote "services rendered".  Above board, clearly.  

[dcbc 14,568]

On 6/27/2024 at 3:09 PM, Gatorubet said:

I had a very brief consumer bankruptcy practice after Katrina, trying to keep the doors open and all.  Occasionally a smooth brain client would transfer assets to friends and family before retaining me, thinking that they were geniuses who could hide their assets from the bankruptcy estate.

The glorious thing about those fraudulent transfers is that the people who received them often immediately started spending the money.  The pain of a fraudulent transfer money claw-back is exponentially multiplied when you’ve already spent it (“ …but I don’t have it all now because I had to pay Jesuit tuition..”) - and now your own financial assets and salary are at risk.   And that was a trustee going after them, not a pack of rabid Texas Trial lawyers. 

"Well, I had a Harley, but I sold to to a buddy for $250."

 

B/R Lawyer: rubs temples

[BrickHorn 18,318]

 

[RomaVicta 30,072]

I honestly don't know if they cut together that piece or Jones actually said it. I assume it's the latter.

A nation led by crazy greedy degenerates. 

It's a shame we're not even going to get a benevolent dictator out of this.

[BrickHorn 18,318]

42 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

I honestly don't know if they cut together that piece or Jones actually said it. I assume it's the latter.

It’s the latter. The audio is from the Knowledge Fight podcast. They play clips of InfoWars episodes and comment on / rebut them. It’s kind of a combo of MST3K and Daily Show.

This dude has started animating classic clips from KF, and it’s glorious.  

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,242]

I'm watching the documentary on HBO. Holy shit. These people in CT were better people than I would have been with any of these fuckers.

There is a special circle of hell for Alex Jones and those fuckers that harassed the parents and officials in CT.

[Captainant 27,970]

AP: Judge to approve auctions liquidating Alex Jones’ Infowars to help pay Sandy Hook families

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones ' Infowars media platform and its assets will be sold off piece by piece in auctions this fall to help pay the more than $1 billion he owes relatives of victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, under an order expected to be approved by a federal judge.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Lopez in Houston said during a court hearing Tuesday that he will approve the auctions that start in November. But he said he first must change a previous order to make it clear that the trustee overseeing Jones’ personal bankruptcy case controls all the assets of Infowars parent company Free Speech Systems, which is owned 100% by Jones.

[atomheartbevo 90,041]

How. much money do we have in the wreath fund?

[royiv 9,447]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

AP: Judge to approve auctions liquidating Alex Jones’ Infowars to help pay Sandy Hook families

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones ' Infowars media platform and its assets will be sold off piece by piece in auctions this fall to help pay the more than $1 billion he owes relatives of victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, under an order expected to be approved by a federal judge.

U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Christopher Lopez in Houston said during a court hearing Tuesday that he will approve the auctions that start in November. But he said he first must change a previous order to make it clear that the trustee overseeing Jones’ personal bankruptcy case controls all the assets of Infowars parent company Free Speech Systems, which is owned 100% by Jones.

I feel like this is like the Shaggy —> Surly drama. Alex can just go set-up another company, InfoBattles, and continue to shill his food buckets and boner pills and leave behind an asset that’s worth nothing without his cult of personality. 

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Just now, royiv said:

I feel like this is like the Shaggy —> Surly drama. Alex can just go set-up another company, InfoBattles, and continue to shill his food buckets and boner pills and leave behind an asset that’s worth nothing without his cult of personality. 

I have a feeling it's not going to be that easy for him - this shit is probably going to follow him around.

[royiv 9,447]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

I have a feeling it's not going to be that easy for him - this shit is probably going to follow him around.

I hope that turns out to be true, but the part that I hate is that he’s damn near judgement proof. His company is worth zero without him so while the families get the satisfaction of torturing him, they don’t get any real financial compensation.

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4 minutes ago, royiv said:

I hope that turns out to be true, but the part that I hate is that he’s damn near judgement proof. His company is worth zero without him so while the families get the satisfaction of torturing him, they don’t get any real financial compensation.

I am probably wrong, but I assume that if he ramps up another million-dollar business, they can go after it.

[Captainant 27,970]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

I am probably wrong, but I assume that if he ramps up another million-dollar business, they can go after it.

The judgement was against Jones personally, so any business he has an interest in will be potentially on the block

[SydneyCarton 48,296]

I doubt most sandy hook families care about the money, only about torturing jones. 
 

[dcbc 14,568]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

this shit is probably going to follow him around

Edited September 25 by dcbc

[TwiceHorn 31,678]

8 hours ago, Captainant said:

The judgement was against Jones personally, so any business he has an interest in will be potentially on the block

Actually, better than "on the block."  Texas has a somewhat unique collection remedy known as the "turnover order."  It permits a judge to appoint a receiver to operate any businesses of the judgment debtor and turn over most of the proceeds to the judgment creditor.

As I have said before, living under a massive judgment would be hellish for most people.  A psychopath like Jones, I dunno.

ETA:  So, yes, he will be able to "surlyhorns" any of his ventures, but whatever he does will be subject to collection, whether sale of its assets or turnover of its revenues.  I think the latter would be more beneficial for the creditors.

Edited September 25 by TwiceHorn

[royiv 9,447]

3 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I doubt most sandy hook families care about the money, only about torturing jones. 
 

Completely agree. It would be awesome to see Alex’s money get turned into some sort of scholarship endowment for kids that have survived a school shooting, but I don’t think his businesses are worth anything without Alex. It’s not like InfoWars has any tangible assets besides a shitty set, some cameras and other assorted electronics.

[SydneyCarton 48,296]

30 minutes ago, royiv said:

Completely agree. It would be awesome to see Alex’s money get turned into some sort of scholarship endowment for kids that have survived a school shooting, but I don’t think his businesses are worth anything without Alex. It’s not like InfoWars has any tangible assets besides a shitty set, some cameras and other assorted electronics.

Is there any way any of his future businesses with him associated can/need to be run by a trust and his wages garnished?

[dcbc 14,568]

56 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Is there any way any of his future businesses with him associated can/need to be run by a trust and his wages garnished?

See Twicehorn's post above.  That's close to what a turnover order and appointed receiver seeks to accomplish.

[UTCzech III 2,907]

Cunt

I’ve always liked Alex Jones. The judge ordering Alex Jones' Infowars to be auctioned off, to pay $1.5 billion defamation damages (a sum he could never pay), proves it was always really about destroying Alex Jones. The shooter was the one who horrifically murdered those innocent children, not Alex Jones. He might have said things that were wrong and then he repeatedly apologized. How many times have you ever heard the mainstream media ever apologize about all the horrible things they have said? And lies they have told? And character assassinations they have made on people? Never. And are they being ordered to pay their victims billions or their media companies being auctioned off? Nope. This is wrong.

Edited September 25 by UTCzech III
so you don't have to click on the dumb bitch's account

[SydneyCarton 48,296]

1 minute ago, UTCzech III said:

Cunt

 

Lol. She should ask Fox if they've ever had to pay billions of dollars for repeatedly perpetrating lies...so fucking dumb. 

[Goredho 17,510]

4 minutes ago, UTCzech III said:

Cunt

I’ve always liked Alex Jones. The judge ordering Alex Jones' Infowars to be auctioned off, to pay $1.5 billion defamation damages (a sum he could never pay), proves it was always really about destroying Alex Jones. The shooter was the one who horrifically murdered those innocent children, not Alex Jones. He might have said things that were wrong and then he repeatedly apologized. How many times have you ever heard the mainstream media ever apologize about all the horrible things they have said? And lies they have told? And character assassinations they have made on people? Never. And are they being ordered to pay their victims billions or their media companies being auctioned off? Nope. This is wrong.

MTG: I’ve always liked Alex Jones. The judge ordering Alex Jones' Infowars to be auctioned off, to pay $1.5 billion defamation damages (a sum he could never pay), proves it was always really about destroying Alex Jones. The shooter was the one who horrifically murdered those innocent children...

Alex Jones:  No he didn't.

[MissingInAction 25,299]

6 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I doubt most sandy hook families care about the money, only about torturing jones. 
 

I would like to participate.

[4th&Five 41,701]

 

[Brisketexan 105,569]

16 minutes ago, 4th&amp;Five said:

 

I really hate the soft-selling of calling shit like it is.  She's not a dolt.  She's a stupid, evil fucking cunt.  Call her what she is.  Stop with the half-measures.

[aggie08 21,578]

1 hour ago, UTCzech III said:

Cunt

I’ve always liked Alex Jones. The judge ordering Alex Jones' Infowars to be auctioned off, to pay $1.5 billion defamation damages (a sum he could never pay), proves it was always really about destroying Alex Jones. The shooter was the one who horrifically murdered those innocent children, not Alex Jones. He might have said things that were wrong and then he repeatedly apologized. How many times have you ever heard the mainstream media ever apologize about all the horrible things they have said? And lies they have told? And character assassinations they have made on people? Never. And are they being ordered to pay their victims billions or their media companies being auctioned off? Nope. This is wrong.

Sue those other networks for their lies, MTG. No one is stopping you or anyone else. Yet, somehow, only Fox and Alex Jones keep being found guilty of defamation.

[Underdog 28,868]

Bitch, please. No one celebrates school shooting season like MTGump. 

[Horn Under a Bad Sign 20,619]

 

 

 

 

[Brisketexan 105,569]

3 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

 

 

 

"We're gonna beat these people!"

Signed, a dude who is like 0-10 in legal fights.  He's almost as delusional as aggys posting about their gauranteed national title this season.  I fucking love it.  CRY.  MORE.