Texas Recruiting Notes 2023: Strippers, Monkeys, and 5-Stars

[SquishMitten 10421]

11 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Can you win a suit over a party backing out of an impermissible contract?  What’s the remedy?

If it was illegal under state law, then no, probably no real path to recovery. But I kinda doubt it would be outright illegal in its entirety. May be able to carve out many sections that were illegal to reduce the total money at stake, but I’d bet at least some of it was perfectly legal. Setting aside how stupid it would be to write a 4 year contract, I have to imagine they at least had a legit attorney look at it before they backed out and decided it was cheaper and better to do that than fully perform. I’d bet they settle for a couple million. Some great attorneys will line up to take his case on a contingency fee. 

[RollingPresidential 633]

If you have any sort of representation and you sign an illegal contract (which by necessity almost has no remedy for breach)worth 13 million you have a viable suit against your representation. And you're also a dumbass. 

Edited January 15, 2023 by RollingPresidential
lawyer stuff

[Chopper 17242]

What's the logic behind the thought that this would be an illegal contract? Because you don't think FL's NIL collective is playing by the NCAA's rules? Last I checked the NCAA's rules and the "law" aren't synonymous. UF's collective has been announced and publicized. Last I check they were under no indictment, nor is Miami's collective.

"Your honor it has come to our attention that our University's collective is illegal and we have been illegally offering inducements to student athletes to attend our University and play football. We canceled the offer to Jaden Rashada and every athlete benefiting from payments by our collective."

Yeah, as entertaining as that would be, I don't think it's gonna happen.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Chopper

[BornAndRaised 12302]

2 minutes ago, Chopper said:

What's the logic behind the thought that this would be an illegal contract? Because you don't think FL's NIL collective is playing by the NCAA's rules? Last I checked the NCAA's rules and the "law" aren't synonymous. UF's collective has been announced and publicized. Last I check they were under no indictment, nor is Miami's collective.

To my knowledge, enticing a player with a contract in itself is the rule breaker here. You can say "hey come to florida, we have a good collective that will take care of you," but you can't say "4yrs/13m as long as you're enrolled." I think thats the deciding factor there. I could be wrong though.

[Chopper 17242]

We broke one of our own rules therefore the contract is null and void? Yeah. That's not a thing.

[Bevo 13590]

22 minutes ago, Chopper said:

We broke one of our own rules therefore the contract is null and void? Yeah. That's not a thing.

There was not a written contract that said 4yrs 13M. There was a promise. Maybe a verbal contract is enforceable, but it isn't a slam dunk.

[Chopper 17242]

14 minutes ago, Bevo said:

There was not a written contract that said 4yrs 13M. There was a promise. Maybe a verbal contract is enforceable, but it isn't a slam dunk.

If it's a verbal contract it may be enforceable. It would be a FL state law issue. State law may may specify that certain types of contracts be in writing in order to be enforceable under state law. However, I doubt the FL collective would go to court and argue that their NIL offers aren't binding as a matter of law. 

 

[Bob Lives! 916]

There was not a written contract that said 4yrs 13M. There was a promise. Maybe a verbal contract is enforceable, but it isn't a slam dunk.

If the contract was for more than one year of service, it would’ve had to be in writing. #StatuteOfFrauds

[billfromlaketravis 11520]

22 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Wells confirmed this is indeed a PWO.

Good. No Australian Kick Camp bullshit where they demand an automatic 4 year scholarship. 

[texifornia 57033]

5 minutes ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Good. No Australian Kick Camp bullshit where they demand an automatic 4 year scholarship. 

Yeah! Both of the schools in the national championship and us when we had our last elite punter were doing it all wrong!

Edited January 16, 2023 by texifornia

[billfromlaketravis 11520]

15 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Yeah! Both of the schools in the national championship and us when we had our last elite punter were doing it all wrong!

Fair enough.

Counterpoint : 

And 

 

[JBJ 3664]

4 hours ago, Bevo said:

There was not a written contract that said 4yrs 13M. There was a promise. Maybe a verbal contract is enforceable, but it isn't a slam dunk.

I'm not sure how there would be any costs or damages here.  There would have to be liquidated damages or a buyout schedule in the contract itself for this to be a good case.

Edited January 16, 2023 by JBJ

[SaucyJack 3498]

2 hours ago, Bob Lives! said:

If the contract was for more than one year of service, it would’ve had to be in writing. #StatuteOfFrauds

Well, Georgia exposed TCU and their StatueOfFrogs.

[TheMailBox357 213]

On 1/14/2023 at 5:03 PM, Teryor said:

 

No idea if this is a PWO offer, I'd assume it is, but he's a punter

 

On 1/14/2023 at 7:12 PM, Hiphopopotamos said:

Wells confirmed this is indeed a PWO.

 

2 hours ago, billfromlaketravis said:

Good. No Australian Kick Camp bullshit where they demand an automatic 4 year scholarship. 

 

2 hours ago, texifornia said:

Yeah! Both of the schools in the national championship and us when we had our last elite punter were doing it all wrong!

IMO UT should only use scholarships on special teams specialists if they're good experienced starters from the portal/walk-on already on the roster. Unexpereinced special teams specialists from High School or portal should always be PWOs.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

35 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

IMO UT should only use scholarships on special teams specialists if they're good experienced starters from the portal/walk-on already on the roster. Unexpereinced special teams specialists from High School or portal should always be PWOs.

IMO when every successful team is doing the opposite of what you’re saying, I’ll go with them. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

IMO when every successful team is doing the opposite of what you’re saying, I’ll go with them. 

Success is obviously overrated.

[conVINCEd 21469]

38 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

IMO UT should only use scholarships on special teams specialists if they're good experienced starters from the portal/walk-on already on the roster. Unexpereinced special teams specialists from High School or portal should always be PWOs.

Phil Dawson, Justin Tucker, and Dicker say hi.  You should take a top tier scholarship kicker every 3 years or so.  

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

27 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

IMO when every successful team is doing the opposite of what you’re saying, I’ll go with them. 

 

26 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Success is obviously overrated.

Winning all the time is definitely bad for the kids

[TheMailBox357 213]

1 hour ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

IMO UT should only use scholarships on special teams specialists if they're good experienced starters from the portal/walk-on already on the roster. Unexpereinced special teams specialists from High School or portal should always be PWOs.

 

31 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

IMO when every successful team is doing the opposite of what you’re saying, I’ll go with them. 

 

30 minutes ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Success is obviously overrated.

 

27 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Phil Dawson, Justin Tucker, and Dicker say hi.  You should take a top tier scholarship kicker every 3 years or so.  

I like the way Mack Brown handled it at UT after being burned by scholarship special teams specialists early on during his UT tenure. He would have big walk-on tryouts for special teams specialists every year & choose the best to be on the team. When those guys established themselves as good depedable starters, Mack would give them scholarships.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

4 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

I like the way Mack Brown handled it at UT

Stopped reading here.

[conVINCEd 21469]

5 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

I like the way Mack Brown handled it at UT after being burned by scholarship special teams specialists early on during his UT tenure. He would have big walk-on tryouts for special teams specialists every year & choose the best to be on the team. When those guys established themselves as good depedable starters, Mack would give them scholarships.

I would have to go back and look, but I’m pretty sure we had a HS recruit scholarship kicker for the vast majority of Brown’s time here.

[HtownHorn 14755]

28 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

I like the way Mack Brown handled it at UT after being burned by scholarship special teams specialists early on during his UT tenure. He would have big walk-on tryouts for special teams specialists every year & choose the best to be on the team. When those guys established themselves as good depedable starters, Mack would give them scholarships.

He only did that with Mangum and Pino.

Stockton, Lawrence, Tucker, and Fera were all scholarship players. Greg Johnson was also a scholarship punter.

[Scholz 11949]

If I remember correctly, Mack went to scholarship PKs after he passed on Mason Crosby from Georgetown, TX and he went on to be an AA at CU.

[linux 1660]

3 hours ago, Coelenterate Fuccboi said:

Stopped reading here.

Yeah because kicking was clearly a deficiency...

Admittedly the mojo has continued, even Auburn did pretty well, but kicking was elite under Mack.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12456]

4 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

Winning all the time is definitely bad for the kids

Shut your whore mouth, DeLoss! 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13119]

24 minutes ago, linux said:

Yeah because kicking was clearly a deficiency...

Admittedly the mojo has continued, even Auburn did pretty well, but kicking was elite under Mack.

Go bake some fucking cookies, Sally.

[closetojumping 62765]

4 hours ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

I like the way Mack Brown handled it at UT after being burned by scholarship special teams specialists early on during his UT tenure. He would have big walk-on tryouts for special teams specialists every year & choose the best to be on the team. When those guys established themselves as good depedable starters, Mack would give them scholarships.

This is manufactured silliness. Brown had great success at kicker the same way Mackovic did. None of it has to do with tryouts or walk ons. Absurd nonsense. 

[linux 1660]

Go bake some fucking cookies, Sally.

Fine, those chocolate chunk cookies you just ate, were not real chocolate chips, they were a different kind of chunk

Edited January 16, 2023 by linux

[Vito Andolini 9127]

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I like the way Mack Brown Mike Leach handled it at UT Texas Tech after being burned by scholarship special teams specialists early on during his UT Tech tenure. He would have big walk-on tryouts for special teams specialists every year or see some fucker from the stands win a field goal contest & choose the best to be on the team. When those guys established themselves as good depedable starters, Mack Mike would give them scholarships.

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by Vito Andolini

[Nope 3121]

15 hours ago, BornAndRaised said:

To my knowledge, enticing a player with a contract in itself is the rule breaker here. You can say "hey come to florida, we have a good collective that will take care of you," but you can't say "4yrs/13m as long as you're enrolled." I think thats the deciding factor there. I could be wrong though.

But is that rule even legal? The Supreme Court drags its nuts across the NCAA’s forehead any time it gets the opportunity

Edited January 16, 2023 by Nope

[NoName 16364]

10 hours ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

 

 

I like the way Mack Brown handled it at UT after being burned by scholarship special teams specialists early on during his UT tenure. He would have big walk-on tryouts for special teams specialists every year & choose the best to be on the team. When those guys established themselves as good depedable starters, Mack would give them scholarships.

i understand this but it's a way different environment now than it was in 2005. especially with regard to where most of the best punters these days are from (ProKick)

Edited January 16, 2023 by NoName

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

10 minutes ago, NoName said:

i understand this but it's a way different environment now than it was in 2005. especially with regard to where most of the best punters these days are from (ProKick)

 

43% of punters in 2021 FBS were from Australia(ProKick)

[Pato del Muerto 52535]

And we just happened to get two in a row that can’t do it?

[Sgt Hulk 13814]

Guys guys guys. Enough with this silly talk 

[MirrOlure 14803]

Guys guys guys. Enough with this silly talk 

So…you’re gonna have to be more specific. Like, waaaaaaaay more specific.

[NoName 16364]

53 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

 

43% of punters in 2021 FBS were from Australia(ProKick)

are you agreeing with me? i think you are but never really know.

7 of the last 10 Ray Guy Award winners are from ProKick

Texas has just gotten kind of unlucky with the last two guys. to be fair that probably evens out for out good Dickson was. i mean what punters ever win a bowl game MVP?!

 

[conVINCEd 21469]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

are you agreeing with me? i think you are but never really know.

7 of the last 10 Ray Guy Award winners are from ProKick

Texas has just gotten kind of unlucky with the last two guys. to be fair that probably evens out for out good Dickson was. i mean what punters ever win a bowl game MVP?!

 

Hire the guy who was Utah’s special teams coach from 2014-2016.  Easy peasy.

[Hiphopopotamos 20876]

Hate to break up all this punter talk - but this is fun:

 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

45 minutes ago, NoName said:

are you agreeing with me? i think you are but never really know.

7 of the last 10 Ray Guy Award winners are from ProKick

Texas has just gotten kind of unlucky with the last two guys. to be fair that probably evens out for out good Dickson was. i mean what punters ever win a bowl game MVP?!

 

Just providing more data for the debate about ProKick.

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

5 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Hate to break up all this punter talk - but this is fun:

 

He's so massive. Our potential size in 1-2 years will be insane. Reminds me of those ginormous lines in the SEC and the ones Oklahoma used to have.

[SimkinsMan 4410]

Kicking is simple. I like my punters from Australia, and kickers with names that end in icker or ucker. 

[Pato del Muerto 52535]

They all end in ucker when they miss 

[ATXbronco 4084]

Maybe we should be hiring the ProKick trainers as our WR coach!

[tokamak 6432]

Seems like if you get a good one from ProKick, you get a real good one, but a lot of what they send over here ends up being filler. We’re only batting 33%.

Personally I’m over it. I’d rather we just scout out a great HS specialist every 2-3 years and give them a scholarship than reach into the ProKick grab bag and risk pulling out another dud. You know, a guy who has actually seen a football game before he hits campus. 

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

4 minutes ago, tokamak said:

Seems like if you get a good one from ProKick, you get a real good one, but a lot of what they send over here ends up being filler. We’re only batting 33%.

Personally I’m over it. I’d rather we just scout out a great HS specialist every 2-3 years and give them a scholarship than reach into the ProKick grab bag and risk pulling out another dud. You know, a guy who has actually seen a football game before he hits campus. 

If the organization on average is 40 plus percent of college punters, lets say even half  of those become starters that's around a quarter of college football with starting punters from that organization. Those odds are really good. Honestly grabbing HS kids from the states seems like the bigger risk than ProKick.

Edited January 16, 2023 by BurntOrange&White

[texifornia 57033]

We're all dealing with terribly incomplete information, since no one gives a shit about other teams' mediocre punters and we're just dealing with a sample size of three.

You'd need to look at what percentage of the Prokick imports end up being quality starters to see if we just got a couple of bad beats or if we've had a normal experience.

Edited January 16, 2023 by texifornia

[TheMailBox357 213]

5 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Hate to break up all this punter talk - but this is fun:

 

 

5 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

He's so massive. Our potential size in 1-2 years will be insane. Reminds me of those ginormous lines in the SEC and the ones Oklahoma used to have.

When you said the OLs that OU used to have are you talking about during the 2000's during prime Bob Stoops or under Lincoln Riley?

[BurntOrange&White 39934]

20 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

 

When you said the OLs that OU used to have are you talking about during the 2000's during prime Bob Stoops or under Lincoln Riley?

Bob stoops even into the early 10s. 

[Hookem2147 21345]

6 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

And we just happened to get two in a row that can’t do it?

In fairness, Bujcevski was pretty solid before he tore up his knee. Was averaging over 43 yards a punt the year he got hurt.

[IDIOTsavant 8499]

5 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

They all end in ucker when they miss 

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by IDIOTsavant
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