Texas Recruiting Notes 2023: Strippers, Monkeys, and 5-Stars

[Valmy77 13094]

3 hours ago, BigHorn'13 said:

Yup. Especially on defense where we're going to lose a lot of experience. Anthony Hill enrolling early (assuming he comes) helps a bunch, too. 

 

We are? Shit. As soon as they finally started to get kind of good.

[Chili dog 1787]

36 minutes ago, SA-KC_Horn said:

D'Onta says Hi

Did he lay an egg on national television during his 2,000 yard season? 
 

I’m not saying Bijan won’t win it. I’m just saying there’s a realistic chance he won’t, and it’s not his fault. 

[TheMailBox357 213]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Anthony Hill is an EE

 

Justin Benton is an EE, if we push for him. I think Roderick Pierce is our primary target here
 

 

Based on the recent DL offers, I'm going to assume UT won't push for Benton.

[Texas Wahoo 3383]

11 minutes ago, Chili dog said:

Did he lay an egg on national television during his 2,000 yard season? 
 

I’m not saying Bijan won’t win it. I’m just saying there’s a realistic chance he won’t, and it’s not his fault. 

Bijan definitely had rough days against the two best teams he faced (12 for 24 yards against TCU and 21 for 57 yards against Alabama), while Corum never had a game below 4.6 yards per carry (other than his two carries against tOSU).  It may come down to whether the "voters" appriciate the differences in how hard each guy had to work for their yards.

[HateYouAndMyself 828]

2 minutes ago, TheMailBox357 said:

Based on the recent DL offers, I'm going to assume UT won't push for Benton.

Benton seems to be our second choice of the current targets behind Pierce. The other late offers are likely fall back options as Benton is also strongly considering Arkansas and Pierce is like 90%+ headed to Michigan. Could certainly be wrong though. 

[Vertigo 20266]

11 minutes ago, Texas Wahoo said:

Bijan definitely had rough days against the two best teams he faced (12 for 24 yards against TCU and 21 for 57 yards against Alabama), while Corum never had a game below 4.6 yards per carry (other than his two carries against tOSU).  It may come down to whether the "voters" appriciate the differences in how hard each guy had to work for their yards.

Corum also wasn't running behind a line with two true freshmen and a sophomore starting. 

[satyanash 14281]

14 hours ago, texifornia said:

Is Bijan going to win it over Corum?

He won't but he should. Bijan forced the most missed tackles in all of P5 football. Meanwhile we all saw how Michigan's running game didn't miss a beat against Ohio State with Corum out.

They do this bullshit all the time, btw. In 2010, Mark Ingram was benched in the Iron Bowl against Auburn and Alabama's offense actually improved when Trent Richardson took over. Ingram still won the Heisman anyway. How do you even justify that bullshit. And don't give me the "McCoy lost the Heisman against Nebraska" crap. Jason White shat all over the field against K-State in the Big 12 title game, led his team to a humiliating 7-35 beatdown, and still won the Heisman anyway. They do this shit all the time and it's infuriating.

[HenryJames 65889]

2 minutes ago, satyanash said:

He won't but he should. Bijan forced the most missed tackles in all of P5 football. Meanwhile we all saw how Michigan's running game didn't miss a beat against Ohio State with Corum out.

They do this bullshit all the time, btw. In 2010, Mark Ingram was benched in the Iron Bowl against Auburn and Alabama's offense actually improved when Trent Richardson took over. Ingram still won the Heisman anyway. How do you even justify that bullshit. And don't give me the "McCoy lost the Heisman against Nebraska" crap. Jason White shat all over the field against K-State in the Big 12 title game, led his team to a humiliating 7-35 beatdown, and still won the Heisman anyway. They do this shit all the time and it's infuriating.

Who stole this guy’s password?

[IDIOTsavant 8440]

6 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Who stole this guy’s password?

FuckEverything really wasn’t that hard to crack.

[satyanash 14281]

Blind test with no names: Which RB is the best based on counting stats? The answer leaps out quite quickly.

• Player A - 239 car, 1,431 yards, 20 TDs (6.0 ypc) & 12 rec, 146 yards, 1 TD, 3 fumbles against 55th toughest SoS
• Player B - 304 car, 1,594 yards, 19 TDs (5.2 ypc) & 7 rec, 50 yards, 2 fumbles against 44th toughest SoS
• Player C - 328 car, 1,643 yards, 10 TDs (5.0 ypc) & 27 rec. 240 yards, 3 TDs. 4 fumbles against 39th toughest SoS
• Player D -247 car, 1,463 yards, 18 TDs (5.9 ypc) & 11 rec, 80 yards, 1 TD, 1 fumble against 8th toughest SoS
• Player E - 258 car, 1,580 yards, 18 TDs (6.1 ypc) & 19 rec, 314 yards, 2 TDs, 2 fumbles against 3rd toughest SoS
• Player F - 233 car, 1,713 yards, 19 TDs (7.4 ypc) & 2 rec, 10 yards, 5 fumbles against 86th toughest SoS

 

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A=Israel Abanikanda, B=Muhammad Ibrahim, C=Chase Brown, D=Blake Corum, E=Bijan Robinson, F=DeWayne McBride

 

 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by satyanash

[JBJ 3649]

A,E,D,B,C/F

Spoiler their names.

[BornAndRaised 12223]

1 hour ago, HateYouAndMyself said:

Lefau especially is huge as I think we might have needed to dip into the portal at LB, even if we Lefau and Hill sign, if he wasn't an EE. 

Not to pick on your in particular, but I feel like this board has been down on Burrell for this recruiting cycle. Any reasoning? Potential to decommit, unimpressive tape, position?

[Hornius Emeritus 12419]

17 minutes ago, JBJ said:

A,E,D,B,C/F

Spoiler their names.

E is clearly better than A

[stork642 4498]

34 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Blind test with no names: Which RB is the best based on counting stats? The answer leaps out quite quickly.

• Player A - 239 car, 1,431 yards, 20 TDs (6.0 ypc) & 12 rec, 146 yards, 1 TD, 3 fumbles against 55th toughest SoS
• Player B - 304 car, 1,594 yards, 19 TDs (5.2 ypc) & 7 rec, 50 yards, 2 fumbles against 44th toughest SoS
• Player C - 328 car, 1,643 yards, 10 TDs (5.0 ypc) & 27 rec. 240 yards, 3 TDs. 4 fumbles against 39th toughest SoS
• Player D -247 car, 1,463 yards, 18 TDs (5.9 ypc) & 11 rec, 80 yards, 1 TD, 1 fumble against 8th toughest SoS
• Player E - 258 car, 1,580 yards, 18 TDs (6.1 ypc) & 19 rec, 314 yards, 2 TDs, 2 fumbles against 3rd toughest SoS
• Player F - 233 car, 1,713 yards, 19 TDs (7.4 ypc) & 2 rec, 10 yards, 5 fumbles against 86th toughest SoS

 

 

 

 

 

My guess is S,A,T,Y,A,S,U,C,K,S

[mwaadeeb 1152]

5 hours ago, Post Oak said:

I would've offered him already. If you watch his film you see him doing a lot of the same things Sanders does in this offense.  I guess they're waiting on Duce to tell them no.

His film also looks like he runs a 5.6.

[RichUT 1791]

Another thing worth noting here is.....recruits don't give a fuck about who wins the Doak Walker award. Seriously. The Heisman moves the needle a tad, but everything else is just noise for these guys. Bijan winning or losing that trophy isn't going to make one bit of difference to Baxter. 

[JBJ 3649]

35 minutes ago, Hornius Emeritus said:

E is clearly better than A

Yeah.  I might have flipped that around in my head.

[speed817 19111]

17 minutes ago, RichUT said:

Another thing worth noting here is.....recruits don't give a fuck about who wins the Doak Walker award. Seriously. The Heisman moves the needle a tad, but everything else is just noise for these guys. Bijan winning or losing that trophy isn't going to make one bit of difference to Baxter. 

[NoName 16293]

10 minutes ago, RichUT said:

Another thing worth noting here is.....recruits don't give a fuck about who wins the Doak Walker award. Seriously. The Heisman moves the needle a tad, but everything else is just noise for these guys. Bijan winning or losing that trophy isn't going to make one bit of difference to Baxter. 

are you saying that RB recruits don't care if a RB on the teams wins the award for the best Running Back in the country?

horseshit.

you think that they don't care that it shows that the system is RB friendly, rewards RBs and those RBs go out and win awards?

lol ok.

does it matter to Sydir MItchell if Bijan wins the award for the best RB in the country? no. but you think Cedric Baxter doesn't give a fuck about it?

 

[BornAndRaised 12223]

24 minutes ago, RichUT said:

Another thing worth noting here is.....recruits don't give a fuck about who wins the Doak Walker award. Seriously. The Heisman moves the needle a tad, but everything else is just noise for these guys. Bijan winning or losing that trophy isn't going to make one bit of difference to Baxter. 

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen on this board, and I try not to venture to the football board...

[RichUT 1791]

9 minutes ago, NoName said:

are you saying that RB recruits don't care if a RB on the teams wins the award for the best Running Back in the country?

horseshit.

you think that they don't care that it shows that the system is RB friendly, rewards RBs and those RBs go out and win awards?

lol ok.

does it matter to Sydir MItchell if Bijan wins the award for the best RB in the country? no. but you think Cedric Baxter doesn't give a fuck about it?

 

That's exactly what I'm saying and frankly it doesn't seem too hard to comprehend. Baxter absolutely cares about the system, how we utilize our backs, how we develop our RB room, and how successful we are as a program. And Bijan's year provided validation for all of those things already, so him finishing 2nd or 3rd for the Doak Walker award isn't going to do any harm to our RB recruiting whatsoever. 

If trophies actually mattered in the decision making progress, you'd see recruits waiting to commit until after they are awarded.

[texifornia 56513]

Just now, RichUT said:

That's exactly what I'm saying and frankly it doesn't seem too hard to comprehend. Baxter absolutely cares about the system, how we utilize our backs, how we develop our RB room, and how successful we are as a program. And Bijan's year provided validation for all of those things already, so him finishing 2nd or 3rd for the Doak Walker award isn't going to do any harm to our RB recruiting whatsoever. 

If trophies actually mattered in the decision making progress, you'd see recruits waiting to commit until after they are awarded.

This is correct. It's MAYBE a nice little thing to retweet about. But they don't really care as long as they're in the convo for first one drafted at their position.

[SydneyCarton 47874]

4 minutes ago, BornAndRaised said:

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen on this board, and I try not to venture to the football board...

Probably a good idea. A few years ago, I saw a poster who insisted that the Doak Walker award was only for Running Backs, therefore players designated as Half Backs and Tail Backs weren't eligible. 

That poster's name? RealGreggyGym. That poster's son? Geoff Ketchum. 

[Michael Knight 12891]

3 minutes ago, RichUT said:

That's exactly what I'm saying and frankly it doesn't seem too hard to comprehend. Baxter absolutely cares about the system, how we utilize our backs, how we develop our RB room, and how successful we are as a program. And Bijan's year provided validation for all of those things already, so him finishing 2nd or 3rd for the Doak Walker award isn't going to do any harm to our RB recruiting whatsoever. 

If trophies actually mattered in the decision making progress, you'd see recruits waiting to commit until after they are awarded.

You do realize a simple way of telling a recruit how we utilize our backs and how we develop our RB room is to point at all the awards our players get?

[SydneyCarton 47874]

6 minutes ago, RichUT said:

That's exactly what I'm saying and frankly it doesn't seem too hard to comprehend. Baxter absolutely cares about the system, how we utilize our backs, how we develop our RB room, and how successful we are as a program. And Bijan's year provided validation for all of those things already, so him finishing 2nd or 3rd for the Doak Walker award isn't going to do any harm to our RB recruiting whatsoever. 

If trophies actually mattered in the decision making progress, you'd see recruits waiting to commit until after they are awarded.

Doak Walker Award Ceremony - December 8th
Heisman Ceremony - December 10th
Early Signing Day - December 21st

 

And before you argue that you said commit versus signing, certainly you don't want to argue that the only commitment that really matters ISN'T they day they sign, do you?

Edited November 30, 2022 by SydneyCarton

[BornAndRaised 12223]

24 minutes ago, RichUT said:

Another thing worth noting here is.....recruits don't give a fuck about who wins the Doak Walker award. Seriously. The Heisman moves the needle a tad, but everything else is just noise for these guys. Bijan winning or losing that trophy isn't going to make one bit of difference to Baxter. 

One of the hottest takes I've ever seen on this board, and I try not to venture to the football board...

[texifornia 56513]

Speaking of awards' relevance for recruiting:

I'd flip Worthy and Barron, but altogether not bad.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

Lol after wandering the desert for linebackers for years, we get two first team all conference this season. 

[Chuckie Finster 22599]

8 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Lol after wandering the desert for linebackers for years, we get two first team all conference this season. 

FIRE CHOATE

[Vertigo 20266]

16 minutes ago, RichUT said:

That's exactly what I'm saying and frankly it doesn't seem too hard to comprehend. Baxter absolutely cares about the system, how we utilize our backs, how we develop our RB room, and how successful we are as a program. And Bijan's year provided validation for all of those things already, so him finishing 2nd or 3rd for the Doak Walker award isn't going to do any harm to our RB recruiting whatsoever. 

If trophies actually mattered in the decision making progress, you'd see recruits waiting to commit until after they are awarded.

Look at Lincoln Riley and his run of Heisman Trophy QB's. The trophies do matter, and they mean that all of those other things have occurred. Without the hardware, you don't get the Caleb Williams' of the world in every damn class. 

[satyanash 14281]

15 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Speaking of awards' relevance for recruiting:

I'd flip Worthy and Barron, but altogether not bad.

Max Duggan is Big 12 OPoY over Bijan.

Felix Anudike-Uzomah is Big 12 DPoY over Jaylan Ford.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Neither of them will sniff an All-America selection but that doesn't matter to the coaches. They just didn't want any Texas players getting awards.

Edited November 30, 2022 by satyanash

[RGBIII 22798]

Just now, satyanash said:

Max Duggan as Big 12 OPoY over Bijan. Felix Anudike-Uzomah as Big 12 DPoY over Jaylan Ford. This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Neither of them will sniff an All-America selection but that doesn't matter to the coaches. They just didn't want any Texas players getting awards.

Ya that’s total busllhit, fuck this stupid god damn conference. Banks also wasn’t freshman of the year

[Vertigo 20266]

2 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

FIRE CHOATE

Yeah fuck that guy, he also sucks at recruiting. He only has the Hawaii high school player of the year and potentially the number 1 LB in the country to go along with another really high upside prospect.  

[Vertigo 20266]

5 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

Ya that’s total busllhit, fuck this stupid god damn conference. Banks also wasn’t freshman of the year

We are going to have to absolutely kick the doors off the hinges to get into the CCG next year with all of this petulant bullshit. Fuck these cow town pussy rubbing spurned stepchildren. 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Vertigo

[SydneyCarton 47874]

7 minutes ago, Vertigo said:

Look at Lincoln Riley and his run of Heisman Trophy QB's. The trophies do matter, and they mean that all of those other things have occurred. Without the hardware, you don't get the Caleb Williams' of the world in every damn class. 

To be fair, the OP said the only award that DID matter was the Heisman. Also, a chunk of Riley's Heisman winning QBs were transfers...because he wasn't getting Caleb Williams' in every class...

[SarksJuggs 1106]

Big 12 DPOW 

Jaylan Ford - 3

Big 12 DPOY - 0 

[JBJ 3649]

13 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Max Duggan is Big 12 OPoY over Bijan.

Felix Anudike-Uzomah is Big 12 DPoY over Jaylan Ford.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Neither of them will sniff an All-America selection but that doesn't matter to the coaches. They just didn't want any Texas players getting awards.

Duggan won't even be an honorable mention and both Bijan and Hutchison are potential 1st team.

Uzomah isn't even the best DE in the conference.

[texifornia 56513]

3 minutes ago, JBJ said:

Duggan won't even be an honorable mention and both Bijan and Hutchison are potential 1st team.

Uzomah isn't even the best DE in the conference.

Yup. That's all horseshit.

That K-State kid is the definition of "solid college player"

[NoName 16293]

47 minutes ago, RichUT said:

That's exactly what I'm saying and frankly it doesn't seem too hard to comprehend. Baxter absolutely cares about the system, how we utilize our backs, how we develop our RB room, and how successful we are as a program. And Bijan's year provided validation for all of those things already, so him finishing 2nd or 3rd for the Doak Walker award isn't going to do any harm to our RB recruiting whatsoever. 

If trophies actually mattered in the decision making progress, you'd see recruits waiting to commit until after they are awarded.

in general i think we are saying close to the same thing ish. does someone say "Bijan winning the Doak Walker Award is why I am going to Texas"? no. but does that open the door on guys nationally who may not be interested enough to attend/look? potentially. it can't hurt anything to have a major award winner.

also, i think that being award finalists and winners is part of that validation. it lets you say "see, the country recognized that this guy had a great year" and gives you something to put in the trophy cabinet. as good as Achane was this last year, Bijan had a higher YPC, more carries and would have had WAY more if RoJo didn't exist. side note, if Bijan wins Texas will have the most Doak Walker award winners in the history of the award.

him finishing 2nd or 3rd isn't going to hurt recruiting, it but him being an finalist or winner absolutely can't do anything but help overall.

also NSD1 is after all award ceremonies I thought, including the Heisman for what that's worth.

NSD >>> Commitment date.

do you think it hurts to have something like this to show kids on visits?

 

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by NoName

[RichUT 1791]

39 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Doak Walker Award Ceremony - December 8th
Heisman Ceremony - December 10th
Early Signing Day - December 21st

 

And before you argue that you said commit versus signing, certainly you don't want to argue that the only commitment that really matters ISN'T they day they sign, do you?

Correlation does not equal causation. Yes, awards are doled out before signing day. That doesn't mean those awards have a direct impact on where players sign. I've been following recruiting since the hookem360 days, and I am struggling to think of a single instance where a player winning/not winning a post season award had a material impact on a recruit's decision. I know you've been following just as long, so keep me honest if there is someone I am forgetting.

And I'm not saying that these things aren't at all helpful, but they are in no way the basis for a decision. I'd argue that winning them has more of a halo effect on the out year classes vs. the in year class, but the debate raging in this thread was about Baxter and I refuse to believe it's going to make a shit bit of difference in what he decides. 

[SydneyCarton 47874]

3 minutes ago, RichUT said:

Correlation does not equal causation. Yes, awards are doled out before signing day. That doesn't mean those awards have a direct impact on where players sign. I've been following recruiting since the hookem360 days, and I am struggling to think of a single instance where a player winning/not winning a post season award had a material impact on a recruit's decision. I know you've been following just as long, so keep me honest if there is someone I am forgetting.

And I'm not saying that these things aren't at all helpful, but they are in no way the basis for a decision. I'd argue that winning them has more of a halo effect on the out year classes vs. the in year class, but the debate raging in this thread was about Baxter and I refuse to believe it's going to make a shit bit of difference in what he decides. 

No, correlation doesn't equal causation. But you also can't correlate shit in defense of your stance, either. And you're pretty definitive that awards don't mean shit. And I'm pretty definitive that you can't know the minds of any recruit, and every recruit is different. In general having recent awards you can point to by position shows guys are getting developed and being successful. As another poster said, it's pretty easy to point to a trophy room. Ask aTm how it looks when it's empty. 

You say you can't think of a single instance of a trophy mattering...but how the fuck would you know what mattered and support that? It's not that your take is absurd, or without merit, it's just very odd. More trophies is better than less trophies, I think we can all agree on that. The fact anyone is drawing lines in the sand is just a weird choice on this topic, at least from my point of view. 

[Pimphand 5596]

I mean I personally DGAF about BDFPOY horseshit.  If a recruit would let that slip them up then I don't want them

[Texasrocks 2124]

I don't know if winning the Doak Walker award would move the needle with recruits. I'm absolutely positive that rolling up to the awards ceremony in a Lamborghini would.

[HenryJames 65889]

1 minute ago, Pimphand said:

I mean I personally DGAF about BDFPOY horseshit.  If a recruit would let that slip them up then I don't want them

It's not about recruiting. It's about our players getting screwed.

[hook me 2080]

40 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Max Duggan is Big 12 OPoY over Bijan.

Felix Anudike-Uzomah is Big 12 DPoY over Jaylan Ford.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Neither of them will sniff an All-America selection but that doesn't matter to the coaches. They just didn't want any Texas players getting awards.

LOL.

Ford & Banks were absolutely robbed. Bijan as well but at least you can say Duggan had a year worth mentioning & his team is in the CFP. Alphabet soup & Reese were about as deserving of those awards as my 5 y/o daughter.

What a joke.

[JBJ 3649]

18 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Yup. That's all horseshit.

That K-State kid is the definition of "solid college player"

Yeah.  The defensive process should have looked like:

Best DL = Tyree Wilson

Best LB = Jaylon Ford

Best DB = Josh Newton

Argue over which one of those.

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Duggan is at least the best QB, but the best WR and RB are in the discussion for best nationally.

[texifornia 56513]

10 minutes ago, Pimphand said:

I mean I personally DGAF about BDFPOY horseshit.  If a recruit would let that slip them up then I don't want them

There's a lot of aggy all over this post. Especially the TexAgs acronym.

[BurntOrange&White 39651]

50 minutes ago, satyanash said:

Max Duggan is Big 12 OPoY over Bijan.

Felix Anudike-Uzomah is Big 12 DPoY over Jaylan Ford.

This is exactly the kind of bullshit I'm talking about. Neither of them will sniff an All-America selection but that doesn't matter to the coaches. They just didn't want any Texas players getting awards.

Kelvin Banks will be a freshmen all american but not good enough for freshmen of the year

[Elmer_Fudd 22108]

I'm surprised none of the sites have him ranked in the top 300/250/247/ect.

 

Edited November 30, 2022 by Elmer_Fudd

[Dbeasy 14966]

This Doak discussion is a waste of energy. Mind control requires hitting the brain with many many signals to cause a person to think something. The Doak award is one of many signals to an RB to commit to Texas. It’s not super important or unimportant, it is a data point for any RB recruit.