About those LSU 'heat' cramps free timeouts

[hookem48 4635]

LSU would be the last team in the fucking country that should be cramping 

[Gaffords 755]

Aggy did the same shit at Clemson.   Must be the newest secsecsec rhing

[Bill Lumbergh 7171]

The cramping was rampant and obvious and they need to figure out a way to stop it before teams who are deep with talent just start having a player cramp every other snap to keep their guys fresh. There's literally nothing in the rules to prevent that. Teams who aren't using this strategy now only aren't doing it out of pride/sportsmanship.

That said, it's not why we lost the game.

For those saying being pissed about this is just whining about the outcome, it's possible to believe that intentional cramping is a bitch move (especially from a program that touts their toughness) and also not believe it's why we lost. Both things can be true.

[hookem48 4635]

1 minute ago, Gaffords said:

Aggy did the same shit at Clemson.   Must be the newest secsecsec rhing

Mond actually had cramps. that's what cramps look like.

[HornsOverIthaca 2333]

It's amazing more of them didn't drown as children.

[Surly Bevo 24707]

6 minutes ago, HornsOverIthaca said:

It's amazing more of them didn't drown as children.

Swamps can be pretty shallow...gave too many of them a fighting chance

[burntorangebongos 10681]

7 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

No, out for the remainder of the quarter.

No. This endangers players truly suffering from heat stress since they may experience symptoms but not come out of the game for the team. That is wrong. Safety first. Out for the drive is enough to stop shenanigans.

That said, the LSU D was not that poorly conditioned nor improperly hydrated prior to a game, no way I'll believe that.

[FuckinA 25]

That was a bunch of cheap, pussy bullshit and LSU should be ashamed of that bitch made garbage. Pussies.

[Surly Bevo 24707]

1 minute ago, burntorangebongos said:

No. This endangers players truly suffering from heat stress since they may experience symptoms but not come out of the game for the team. That is wrong. Safety first. Out for the drive is enough to stop shenanigans.

That said, the LSU D was not that poorly conditioned nor improperly hydrated prior to a game, no way I'll believe that.

That's why I would allow the first free pass...and frankly after that if it's true heat distress and you've already been down once, your ass is either going down or it's getting kicked so bad the next play you are done.  

The world still needs a bit of personal accountability and all..

[SilasCoade 2620]

10 hours ago, Junior Miller said:

Easy fix. New rule: if play has to be stopped because you were on the ground asking for medical attention you cannot play again in the same drive. 

That shit will stop really fast. 

Doesn't go far enough. If you have to stop play for medical attention, out of concern for your safety you are not allowed to play the rest of the game.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

My solution

Individual Rules

1st time down is treated as today.
2nd time down you sit for 15 minutes of game clock
3rd time is a TKO and you are out for the rest of the game

Team Rules

Each team gets 3 free team injuries per half. After that it’s a timeout. If you are out of timeouts 15 yard penalty

All the shit would stop real real fast.

Problem is theres 11 starters on defense so thats 11 free timeouts if they know which order to drop.




Amazing how the cramps went away the last drive or 2 when the game was almost in hand.

[hookem48 4635]

3 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Problem is theres 11 starters on defense so thats 11 free timeouts if they know which order to drop.




Amazing how the cramps went away the last drive or 2 when the game was almost in hand.

what's amazing is how their offense ran up and down the damn field all game and not one cramp. 

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

If an injury causes a stop in play the injured player is not eligible to return until a change of possession or by calling a timeout (injured players team). 

The truly injured will stay down, the rest will get off the field as opposed to just lying down. 

[Dewey 3280]

They started cramping up right out of the locker room. Its embarrassing,  but part of the game. They had the better team by a slight margin, but those antics should be saved for the sisters of the poor, not for a good program such as LSU. 

[Gaffords 755]

36 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

Mond actually had cramps. that's what cramps look like.

Mond was cramping.  He wasn't flopping around until the injury timeout was called and then getting up either...   

It's all over secrant.  Auburn did it to Alabama. Saban adapted it and does it to handle the tempo... Aggy is saying we are claiming moral victory and being laughed at for that sounding familial...

At least in soccer they have only one person on the field itself that can't see everything so if you can make it look good enough, you might pull a penalty kick or even a man advantage by getting someone sent off.  Deep in the game, fatigue becomes an issue after running for 75+ minutes with a small break after 45.   Both sides will start doing it to give the teams a chance to grab water and hydrate before players really start dropping like flies.

[pacman 7331]

It's 10:25am...

 

and another LSU defender is down with cramps

[Junior Miller 1502]

34 minutes ago, Llogg said:

Doesn't go far enough. If you have to stop play for medical attention, out of concern for your safety you are not allowed to play the rest of the game.

I understand the sentiment but in reality you could quickly run out of players. And it's a pretty harsh punishment if a kid legitimately does have a bad cramp and just needs to get to the sideline and stretch it out for several minutes. Or if he ding his ankle up pretty good but wants to tough it out. 

[Iceman 2649]

11 hours ago, clapclapclap said:

Heat Index tonight was actually hotter in Baton Rouge than Austin, because of the higher dew points & humidity.  

https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KBTR.html

https://w1.weather.gov/data/obhistory/KATT.html

Did any of their offensive players go down with 'heat' cramps?

They did that shit constantly in the Texas Bowl because Mahomes II was wearing their asses out.

 

Such a bullshit move. You’re fucking world class athletes.  Stop acting like me trying to run a lap around the football field after Thanksgiving dinner...

[Par4 146]

37 minutes ago, hookem48 said:

what's amazing is how their offense ran up and down the damn field all game and not one cramp. 

This! Not one single cramp on and offensive player, granted they tended to score in 2-3 minute drives. 

 

[SilasCoade 2620]

16 minutes ago, Junior Miller said:

I understand the sentiment but in reality you could quickly run out of players. And it's a pretty harsh punishment if a kid legitimately does have a bad cramp and just needs to get to the sideline and stretch it out for several minutes. Or if he ding his ankle up pretty good but wants to tough it out. 

It's not punishment though. Seriously if you are hurt bad enough to need medical attention you should not continue playing a football game. If you're worried about running out of players, be better at conditioning. But also, college teams have a roster of 85 scholarship players, they're not going to run out of bodies.

[Zavala 1384]

We got a penelty jogging guys off the field, what's the point of substitutions, just have a seat you get to sub and a timeout.

[tx 3 putt 76460]

11 hours ago, TommyGufano said:

Player shouldn't be allowed to re-enter game until conclusion of the drive they go down. It'll still happen, but at least it introduces some downside. 

4 plays off would be a good start 

[Zavala 1384]

2 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

4 plays off would be a good start 

Do it once, fine. Do it twice, you are out for the rest of the game. Simple. If you need a time out and medical attention on the field because you can't get off the field TWICE then you are done. 

That way it's only 11 free time outs instead of infinity.

[Fudge Nuggets 19152]

9 hours ago, BurntEyes said:

No, out for the remainder of the quarter.

I like it, but what if someone takes a dive with a couple of seconds left in the first or third quarter?  Should we make it a certain amount of game clock time instead?

[tbone_ 14027]

Massive outbreak of vaginitis for sure.

Don’t kid yourselves. They won’t change the rules though because it will encourage players to play injured.

[OU Sucks 8747]

Anyone remember at what point the two LSU players flopped at the same time and were looking at each other to figure out who should stay down?  I need to see the footage of that again because it was hilarious.

[DreadHead 110]

Without repercussions, people take advantage of it. You interrupt the flow of the game, rest your players and get a chance to game-plan. 

Again, I don't want to use that as the reason we loss. But I hope everyone who watched that game could clearly see how it was an advantage for LSU when so many players were cramping up, and only on the defensive side of the ball. 

There were plenty of times that Joe was rolling down the field where a Texas cramp or series of cramps could of helped us regroup. But Texas players don't play that game and shouldn't.

Hopefully some of the sports talking heads also took note and we can have some honest conversations about this practice across the league. It needs to be kept in the news cycle. 

[DreadHead 110]

Just now, OU Sucks said:

Anyone remember at what point the two LSU players flopped at the same time and were looking at each other to figure out who should stay down?  I need to see the footage of that again because it was hilarious.

Yeah, pointed that out during the game. Comical.

[JBJ 3649]

2 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Massive outbreak of vaginitis for sure.

Don’t kid yourselves. They won’t change the rules though because it will encourage players to play injured.

This.   Policing injuries is sensitive - they need to keep the rules the same.

What they really should do is post-game enforcement: suspend coaches and ban complicit trainers from sidelines.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Too subjective. Any rule change will need to be under the guise of player safety. 

Anything directed towards “competitive” punishment will be met with faux outrage. 

[OU Sucks 8747]

15 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Massive outbreak of vaginitis for sure.

Don’t kid yourselves. They won’t change the rules though because it will encourage players to play injured.

If the rule is they have to sit out for the drive, most players who truly have injuries would likely need to sit out at least the drive anyway.  LSU was able to stop our momentum (although we overcame it maybe 75% of the time), let the whole defense rest, and get fresh bodies on the field, all without using a single TO.  The honor system doesn't work if certain teams can't be honorable.

[Horn of Gabriel 1590]

1 hour ago, tbone_ said:

Massive outbreak of vaginitis for sure.

Don’t kid yourselves. They won’t change the rules though because it will encourage players to play injured.

Nope.  Sitting out a drive is fine; and if they choose to stay in with a cramp and not tell anyone, their own coach will see them getting burned and sub them out.  Does concussion protocol encourage players to play concussed?

[GreenspointTexas 9568]

13 fucking players for LSU went down with cramps

13

 

ive been to over 150 longhorn games in person and watched another 1000 or so games of football (all levels) in my lifetime and never seen anything even close to last nights level of pussiness. 

 

Either LSU is the most pussy, least conditioned team ive ever seen, or they were tired as fuck in the 2nd half

 

spoiler alert: they were dog fucking tired midway through the 3rd quarter. 

[tbone_ 14027]

Nope.  Sitting out a drive is fine; and if they choose to stay in with a cramp and not tell anyone, their own coach will see them getting burned and sub them out.  Does concussion protocol encourage players to play concussed?

I agree with you it’s a bullshit reason. But I think that is the reason the rules won’t change.

[Iceman 2649]

Player safety matters.

sit out the drive( at a minimum) and heal up.

I would lean towards sitting out the quarter at least.  Need to make sure they are ok( play stupid games, win stupid prizes)

Edited September 8, 2019 by Iceman

[tbone_ 14027]

I think that’s the best counter. If I had to bet though I’d bet the rules never change in this regard.

[tbone_ 14027]

And we should incorporate this strategy as a result. We should also hire whoever can teach us the ou/tech holding scheme.

 

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

Another option instead of stirring the “current drive” would be a mandatory wait period to return. 5 or 10 mins “real time” monitored by the team doctor (and reviewed/policed after the game). 

[CfRhTxStBobcats 600]

12 hours ago, Spider2YBanana said:

If they're "cramping", they should have to sit the rest of the quarter. Such bullshit 

This is the answer. Guy goes down on 3rd down with fake cramps he may only be out 1 play, bullshit indeed.  Loved herbies excuse, been hot. I guess hot for only 1 defense. Should have pointed it out at least once. Or maybe give Horns props for their obvious superior hydration program. I'm sure if it was reversed it would have been pointed out multiple times.

[Funk Doctor Spock 11948]

Just now, CfRhTxStBobcats said:

This is the answer. Guy goes down on 3rd down with fake cramps he may only be out 1 play, bullshit indeed.  Loved herbies excuse, been hot. I guess hot for only 1 defense. Should have pointed it out at least once. Or maybe give Horns props for their obvious superior hydration program. I'm sure if it was reversed it would have been pointed out multiple times.

Herbie would have gloated over and over about how well those guys are if they didn't fake their cramps. 

[Surly Bevo 24707]

2 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Problem is theres 11 starters on defense so thats 11 free timeouts if they know which order to drop.




Amazing how the cramps went away the last drive or 2 when the game was almost in hand.

That's why I have the team total rule in there as well where it starts costing time outs or penalty yardage

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

Nothing will change because that would just be another thing an official has to keep track of.  Plus the TV networks love being able to play more commercials.  

 

[David Dennison 18681]

2 hours ago, ChickenSandwich said:

If an injury causes a stop in play the injured player is not eligible to return until a change of possession or by calling a timeout (injured players team). 

The truly injured will stay down, the rest will get off the field as opposed to just lying down. 

I would be down with this.

[OU Sucks 8747]

I look forward to when some other team does this to slow down LSU's uptempo in SEC play.  I'm sure they won't mind since their fans believe all of them were legit cramps.

[OU Sucks 8747]

2 minutes ago, Greatgamehorns said:

Please remind me:   How many points were awarded to LSU for cramping?

You don't understand the value in constantly giving a defense free timeouts to rest and disrupt an offense's tempo?

[Not a cat 5622]

4 minutes ago, Greatgamehorns said:

Please remind me:   How many points were awarded to LSU for cramping?

Is your point that it's not expressly forbidden so it's ok, or that it doesn't matter as long as it doesn't directly put points on the board?  If the former, it's a bitch move indicative of high estrogen, if the latter them I guess the Rams DB "non-interference" also didn't directly put points on the board for LA.

[FuckinA 25]

Please remind me:   How many points were awarded to LSU for cramping?

No one is saying that we lost because of the cramping we’re just saying it’s an obvious bitch move to fake cramps for de facto timeouts when you don’t feel like dealing with tempo.

It’s crazy that the vastly superior SEC talent would need to roll around on the ground like bitches against such an overmatched and inferior team. Pathetic.

[Surly Bevo 24707]

You all wasting time arguing with the troll...just hit the neg and source away.  

[USCATX 1067]

I don’t specifically have a dog in this fight, but I was at the game last night giving the LSU fans around me hell for making the game as unwatchable as the last 10 minutes of an NBA game.  The two players down train wrecks were the most comical.  On the second occurrence the player closest to the north end zone popped up to his knees when he saw the other player down then stayed on his knees when the trainers came out and said something to him.  I don’t ever recall that kind of BS on an Orgeron USC defense.  

Edited September 8, 2019 by USCATX

[OU Sucks 8747]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

You all wasting time arguing with the troll...just hit the neg and source away.  

I cannot add anymore reactions today, sir.