What's going on with this DNI Whistleblower ?

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

21 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Please elaborate . . . I don't remember the details.  How were subpoenas issued, witnesses examined & cross-examined, etc.?  

Short version is that this is how House investigations proceed. GOP majority allowed for subpoenas to issue by majority vote of committees. Committees can opt for staff attorneys to question witnesses or do so themselves. Again, internal rules governs the questioning which typically alters between majority and minority. Only certain witnesses are asked to testify publicly. I’m no parliamentarian, but I believe that’s the gist 

[jimmyjazz 45960]

8 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Short version is that this is how House investigations proceed. GOP majority allowed for subpoenas to issue by majority vote of committees. Committees can opt for staff attorneys to question witnesses or do so themselves. Again, internal rules governs the questioning which typically alters between majority and minority. Only certain witnesses are asked to testify publicly. I’m no parliamentarian, but I believe that’s the gist 

The reason I asked was because I thought Hillary testified prior to the 2015 rules-rewrite by the Republicans.  It appears she didn't.  Time craws when you're having fun.

[deech 2275]

19 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

There’s no strategy, dude 

 

As an attorney, I can relate to when my clients (or in this case spokespeople for my clients) admit publicly horrifically damaging admissions to my client's defense.  

[atomheartbevo 89675]

2 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

There’s no strategy, dude 

 

He must be getting paid in front, knowing Trump.   And drinking heavily.   

And Mulvaney must know the jig is up.  He’s taking control of the narrative Fromm Trump.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

4 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Short version is that this is how House investigations proceed. GOP majority allowed for subpoenas to issue by majority vote of committees. Committees can opt for staff attorneys to question witnesses or do so themselves. Again, internal rules governs the questioning which typically alters between majority and minority. Only certain witnesses are asked to testify publicly. I’m no parliamentarian, but I believe that’s the gist 

I read the 115 page text that the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence released after they questioned Joseph Maguire, the Acting Director of the DNI, about the whistleblower complaint. It seemed like that was how they ran it with him. The Chair spoke, then the Ranking Chair (Nunes), then the let Maguire have some opening remarks and then the questioning began. I gotta say, my husband gently tolerates me going off topic and taking forever to get to the point, but I had no idea people could draw a salary to do so. The Chair asked questions first, then Nunes went and then a few other committee members. So, again, confirming what you said.

Here is a small excerpt from the meeting:
 

Quote

 

None of this happens, but for the decision of your Inspector General, Michael Atkinson, a man who was appointed by President Trump and confirmed by a Republican Senate to come to this committee 7 days after the complaint was required by law to be transmitted to us. It was his decision, personal decision, not the kaleidoscope of fantabulistic conspiracy theories the ranking member thinks is happening here; but it was the decision of Michael Atkinson, an appointee of this President, to come to this committee, following not advice from you or any law, but following his own conscience. Without his decision to do this, none of this is happening, correct?

Acting Director Maguire. I applaud Michael's -- the way he has done this. He has acted in good faith. He has followed the law every step of the way. The question is, Congressman, does it -- did it or did it not meet the legal definition --

Mr. Himes. No, sir, I asked a very different question, which was, without his decision -- it's a simple question. Without his decision, none of this is happening. Is that correct?

Acting Director Maguire. Well, we got to back up to the whistleblower as well. So --

Mr. Himes. Okay. And I should have noted that the whistleblower also deserves the same accolades that Mr. Atkinson does.

---Cut---

 

 

 

[jimmyjazz 45960]

I'm part of a closed Facebook group related to a music ensemble I used to play in.  There are hundreds if not thousands of members, one of whom is an insufferable  little Trummpkin twat.  I can't disengage from him without doing so from the group, which is not in the cards, as I maintain contact with a bunch of close friends this way.

So, this jackass' new theory, which I can only assume is being pushed by Rush, Buck, Sean, Tucker and the gang, is this:

 

Adam Schiff is the whistleblower.

 

For fuck's sake.  I don't know how successful people can possibly be this stupid, but he's a shining example.  He's quite simply brainwashed.

Edited October 18, 2019 by jimmyjazz

[Mapache 1117]

The best people 

 

[triplehorn 2664]

Greg Sargent in WaPo re Bill Taylor's testimony yesterday and Bill Barr:

"...The testimony from Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, also contains a key revelation about Attorney General William P. Barr — one that provides an occasion to revisit his role in this scandal, and hints at how Barr will likely continue perverting the U.S. government machinery to help Trump get away with it.

Taylor’s key mention of Barr comes in a very damning passage. Taylor recounted that he’d learned that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had informed Ukraine that the frozen military aid would be conditioned on launching the “investigations” Trump wanted.

Taylor then testified that on a call, Sondland stated that Trump told him he wanted Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky to “publicly” pledge investigations -- which would undercut the fact of Russian sabotage of the 2016 election and help smear potential 2020 opponent Joe Biden. Taylor claimed Sondland told him the money was dependent on this.

Taylor then adds:

We also discussed the possibility that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General, rather than President Zelenskyy, would make a statement about investigations, potentially in coordination with Attorney General Barr’s probe into the investigation of interference in the 2016 elections.

Two senior U.S. officials seriously discussed a plan in which the attorney general of the United States would publicly coordinate with a foreign government to help Trump absolve Russia of culpability for an attack on our political system, by helping to repudiate our intelligence services’ conclusion about that culpability.

cont."

 

 

[DDD Dad 14339]

Greg Sargent in WaPo re Bill Taylor's testimony yesterday and Bill Barr:
"...The testimony from Taylor, the acting U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, also contains a key revelation about Attorney General William P. Barr — one that provides an occasion to revisit his role in this scandal, and hints at how Barr will likely continue perverting the U.S. government machinery to help Trump get away with it.

Taylor’s key mention of Barr comes in a very damning passage. Taylor recounted that he’d learned that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had informed Ukraine that the frozen military aid would be conditioned on launching the “investigations” Trump wanted.

Taylor then testified that on a call, Sondland stated that Trump told him he wanted Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky to “publicly” pledge investigations -- which would undercut the fact of Russian sabotage of the 2016 election and help smear potential 2020 opponent Joe Biden. Taylor claimed Sondland told him the money was dependent on this.

Taylor then adds:
We also discussed the possibility that the Ukrainian Prosecutor General, rather than President Zelenskyy, would make a statement about investigations, potentially in coordination with Attorney General Barr’s probe into the investigation of interference in the 2016 elections.
Two senior U.S. officials seriously discussed a plan in which the attorney general of the United States would publicly coordinate with a foreign government to help Trump absolve Russia of culpability for an attack on our political system, by helping to repudiate our intelligence services’ conclusion about that culpability.
cont."
 
 

Actually that would be better than forcing a foreign state to announce publicly it was unilaterally investigating a US candidate.

There are often joint investigations by US and other states and the normal means of announcement is to do it jointly.

[Lurch 5930]

I'm part of a closed Facebook group related to a music ensemble I used to play in.  There are hundreds if not thousands of members, one of whom is an insufferable  little Trummpkin twat.  I can't disengage from him without doing so from the group, which is not in the cards, as I maintain contact with a bunch of close friends this way.
So, this jackass' new theory, which I can only assume is being pushed by Rush, Buck, Sean, Tucker and the gang, is this:
 
Adam Schiff is the whistleblower.
 
For fuck's sake.  I don't know how successful people can possibly be this stupid, but he's a shining example.  He's quite simply brainwashed.

Use the “Hide all from” feature on any of his posts. Works great

[UTCzech III 2907]

On 10/18/2019 at 11:04 AM, jimmyjazz said:

I'm part of a closed Facebook group related to a music ensemble I used to play in.  There are hundreds if not thousands of members, one of whom is an insufferable  little Trummpkin twat.  I can't disengage from him without doing so from the group, which is not in the cards, as I maintain contact with a bunch of close friends this way.

So, this jackass' new theory, which I can only assume is being pushed by Rush, Buck, Sean, Tucker and the gang, is this:

 

Adam Schiff is the whistleblower.

 

For fuck's sake.  I don't know how successful people can possibly be this stupid, but he's a shining example.  He's quite simply brainwashed.

Bet Blue Devils don't have that problem... 😉

[jimmyjazz 45960]

9 minutes ago, UTCzech III said:

Bet Blue Devils don't have that problem... 😉

No, they're ALL insufferable twats.  Nobody stands out!

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

The talking points from the GOP have all been about how Adam Schiff has not allowed them to question witnesses. Being that Republicans were on the various committees, that was obviously false, but as you know from yesterday, Schiff had to step in and stop some of their questions due to their nature of attempting to discern the whistleblower's identity. This came across my desk this morning:

And people wonder why they have been protecting the whistleblower.

[atomheartbevo 89675]

If their identity becomes known, I have no doubt that some incel/MAGA-type will try and kill him (or her).  None at all.

[Anastasis 23472]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

If their identity becomes known, I have no doubt that some incel/MAGA-type will try and kill him (or her).  None at all.

The purported individual's name and pictures are already out.  

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

Walter and Co. calling out those trying to out the WB:

 

[Biff Tannen 45690]

Well the second to last sentence from Walter is accurate.  See you on the lanai.

[Zavala 1384]

Whoops

[Longhorn_Fan68 33871]

I don't even care to want to know what that even means, but did you really screenshot a Tweet? lol

[Longhorn_Fan68 33871]

double smack

Edited November 6, 2019 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Lurch 5930]

Imagine thinking THAT is a bombshell and that weeks worth of damning testimony is just bluster.

[Bama Chick 28596]

Nice of you to crop out the tweet he quoted and what his tweet was in response to you idiot hack.

[Lurch 5930]

Whoops.

[DDD Dad 14339]

48 minutes ago, Zavala said:

Whoops

The unintentional irony here is golden.

[Tuco 5076]

Zavala, in case you are having a hard time tracking, the last several posts, including your own, are evidence that you are a moron.

[hpslugga 4061]

1 hour ago, Zavala said:

Whoops

So I just took a shit and had a couple ethics questions:

1. Do I refill the TP, or wait for someone else to do it?

2. If I do it, over or under?

[triplehorn 2664]

 

🚨Two US Senators were involved in this extortion scheme ?  Which ones ?  

 

But for the whistleblower, the Trump/Rudy/Pompeo et al extortion scheme was most definitely happening:

"Finally bending to the White House request, Mr. Zelensky’s staff planned for him to make an announcement in an interview on Sept. 13 with Fareed Zakaria, the host of a weekly news show on CNN."

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by triplehorn

[atomheartbevo 89675]

5 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

🚨Two US Senators were involved in this extortion scheme ?  Which ones ?  

Rand Paul and Linda Graham?

[triplehorn 2664]

Fair odds Ron Johnson was one.

[SuingToGetAMessageBoard? 3861]

Just now, triplehorn said:

Fair odds Ron Johnson was one.

yeah, i thought two senators were fairly involved in these discussions based on some of the stuff that came out a while back.  johnson was definitely one.  can't remember the other.

[The Royal We 3072]

The same Ron Johnson who signed a letter to Ukraine in 2016 urging them to "press ahead with urgent reforms to the Prosecutor General's office" and then forgot about it recently when  he slammed Biden for pressing Ukraine to reform the Prosecutor General's office?

I hope he gets taken down in the fracas as well.

https://www.portman.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/portman-durbin-shaheen-and-senate-ukraine-caucus-reaffirm-commitment-help

 

[Mdhorn 5949]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Rand Paul and Linda Graham?

Think Graham is involved too. He's too cowed not to be involved somehow. 

[Foosters 17857]

19 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I don't even care to want to know what that even means, but did you really screenshot a Tweet? lol

He had too. Posting the actual tweet would show what the tweet was in response to. That would reveal Zavala to be a liar and fraud. Again.

[bolverk 29683]

Andrew Bakaj, one of the attorneys for the whistleblower - whose report led to House Democrats' impeachment proceedings - sent a cease and desist letter to White House counsel Pat Cipollone, telling President Trump to stop attacking his client, CNN reports.

"I am writing to respectfully request that you counsel your client on the legal and ethical peril in which he is placing himself should anyone be physically harmed as a result of his, or his surrogates', behavior," Bakaj wrote, adding that the president is "engaging in rhetoric and activity that places my client, the Intelligence Community Whistleblower, and their family in physical danger."

Since the public release of the whistleblower report, Trump has continuously attacked the whistleblower in an attempt to discredit what was said in the report.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/469551-whistleblower-lawyer-send-cease-and-desist-to-white-house-over-trumps?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

39 minutes ago, bolverk said:

Andrew Bakaj, one of the attorneys for the whistleblower - whose report led to House Democrats' impeachment proceedings - sent a cease and desist letter to White House counsel Pat Cipollone, telling President Trump to stop attacking his client, CNN reports.

"I am writing to respectfully request that you counsel your client on the legal and ethical peril in which he is placing himself should anyone be physically harmed as a result of his, or his surrogates', behavior," Bakaj wrote, adding that the president is "engaging in rhetoric and activity that places my client, the Intelligence Community Whistleblower, and their family in physical danger."

Since the public release of the whistleblower report, Trump has continuously attacked the whistleblower in an attempt to discredit what was said in the report.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/469551-whistleblower-lawyer-send-cease-and-desist-to-white-house-over-trumps?amp=1&amp_recirculation=1

I was just checking in to post this, so I'm glad you did. The intimidation tactics this Administration has used are despicable and wholly unrepresentative of what our country should be. Should we manage to come out of the current proceedings battered but whole, I am worried that the next GOP put up as a presidential candidate will use the current Administration as a road map for a trip from which there is no easy return.

[Pig Bellmont 8719]

 

[atomheartbevo 89675]

1 hour ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

 I am worried that the next GOP put up as a presidential candidate will use the current Administration as a road map for a trip from which there is no easy return.

I have a feeling the GOP will make sure that we don’t get another Trump candidate.   He’s messed with too many pet projects of Republicans in Congress, and rather than talking about themselves when a camera is pointed in their direction, they are having to defend Trump or just avoid the cameras.   Many really hate when they have to talk about anybody but themselves, especially when it means defending something or somebody that could cost them a few points in the polls.  There’s a reason so many Rs have retired.  

[atomheartbevo 89675]

Jim Jordan talk about the molestation doctor stuff is ramping up.  

[tantric superman 4667]

13 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

I have a feeling the GOP will make sure that we don’t get another Trump candidate.   He’s messed with too many pet projects of Republicans in Congress, and rather than talking about themselves when a camera is pointed in their direction, they are having to defend Trump or just avoid the cameras.   Many really hate when they have to talk about anybody but themselves, especially when it means defending something or somebody that could cost them a few points in the polls.  There’s a reason so many Rs have retired

Fuck them all.  I'm ready for a Reign of Terror.  We can clean up the mess in a somewhat more mild-mannered counter-revolution.

[tantric superman 4667]

JK.  Just had my coffee.

[bolverk 29683]

6 minutes ago, tantric superman said:

Fuck them all.  I'm ready for a Reign of Terror.  We can clean up the mess in a somewhat more mild-mannered counter-revolution.

Perhaps my favorite bad_teammate contribution to this board was him introducing this video (it was new to me).

 

[Jack Straw 2954]

On 10/30/2019 at 9:50 AM, atomheartbevo said:

If their identity becomes known, I have no doubt that some incel/MAGA-type will try and kill him (or her).  None at all.

that is exactly what Republicans want.  

[Junior Miller 1502]

18 hours ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 

That's because the fire chief committed the arson. 

[rantanamo 143]

If they aren't going to follow the protocol, do we as federal employees get to not do the damn training year?  Same training that doesn't qualify reasons for one's identity to be revealed.  Brought to you by appointees who are letting several important things in my agency languish....... Again.

 

[Pato del Muerto 52501]

22 hours ago, Jack Straw said:

that is exactly what Republicans want.  

 

from Facebook, obviously 

[4th&Five 41557]

 

[Pasken 1309]

 

[Ted Lange 16108]

On 9/28/2019 at 12:15 PM, Thetexashammer said:

Obama used Russian intelligence to justify spying on the Trump campaign.

 

"The Times reported that the document will also debunk the claim that the FBI relied on a dossier by former British spy Christopher Steele"

[SmokeyTheBear 5562]

Like his season predictions, TexasHammer has proven time and time again that he knows little to nothing on a whole lot of topics. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 hour ago, Ted Lange said:

 

"The Times reported that the document will also debunk the claim that the FBI relied on a dossier by former British spy Christopher Steele"

But what about the FISA warrant abuse!?!?   -  Anastasis