What's going on with this DNI Whistleblower ?

[TDunk 590]

29 minutes ago, sachick said:

This is going to be a great book when John Grisham writes it.

 

Stephen King has got this.  

[pacman 7261]

1 hour ago, sachick said:

This is going to be a great book when John Grisham writes it.

Totally Tom Clancy

[Goredho 17247]

Its kind of funny thinking about a whistleblower exposing the President acting against our nation's best interests in lieu of another country's.  That sort of implies this behavior of the President's hasn't been publicly visible for close to three years now.

Whistleblower:  "OMG!  The President is a national security risk!"

Anyone not infected with the Foxus Newseri brain-eating amoeba:

Edited September 19, 2019 by Goredho

[Nice Guy Eddie 13384]

CNN article disclosed that official WH records show Trump has directly communicated with 5 leaders during this 5 weeks period. Leaders of Russia, Pakistan, NK, Qatar and Netherlands.  

Call me crazy but I would have assumed our President had more frequent conversations with world leaders especially ones considered our long term allies.  But then again this is trump and why would most leaders want to speak with him. 

 

[Homercles 10205]

I’m not normally one to gamble on politics but given the Dutch are the ML underdogs at +3500 I may just toss a hundy at it because I think the legal prostitution angle is being overlooked by Vegas oddsmakers.  

[horncyclist 1384]

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

Cue the Cali/homeless hate so the Trumpkins will have someone/something on which to focus and build their rage/own the libs. Oh, and also take their minds off the gun bills being on the table this week. Definitely Infrastructure Week.

[Pam Cummings 9470]

How do people still support this dude? It's literally unbelievable when you think about it. He's gonna do his best to cheat the next election too.

Edited September 19, 2019 by Pam Cummings

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

I think the cheating is already a done deal, even without the stats that were posted about the Electoral College in another thread. That Brad Pasquale (sp?) character sealed it for me. That fellow is more crooked than a barrel of fish hooks and dirtier than a bag of potting soil.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

7 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

How do people still support this dude? It's literally unbelievable when you think about it. He's gonna do his best to cheat the next election too.

 

 

After fielding the complaint on Aug. 12, Atkinson submitted it to Maguire two weeks later. By law, Maguire is required to transmit such complaints to Congress within seven days. But in this case, he refrained from doing so after turning for legal guidance to officials at the Justice Department.

 

Yeah, this shit right here is mind bottling. Of course the rubes in God's country will never hear about this shit because Tucker and Sean won't be talking about it. 

 

[DixonHur 10946]

12 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Yeah, this shit right here is mind bottling. Of course the rubes in God's country will never hear about this shit because Tucker and Sean won't be talking about it. 

Like they'd care even if they did hear about it.  Greatest President ever...sent by God, etc, etc, etc

[Mrs Whiggins 13049]

6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

Like they'd care even if they did hear about it.  Greatest President ever...sent by God, etc, etc, etc

If DJ was sent by God, that would not be the Christian New Testament God. That would be the Roman God Sterquilinus, the God of manure.

[jimmyjazz 45323]

So, it appears the whistleblower was compelled to act because of the content of a phone call between Trump and an undisclosed foreign head of state.  How did that content become available to the whistleblower?  Was he/she present during the call?  Are transcripts kept?  Was the call recorded, either surreptitiously or as a matter of policy?

Asking for me.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So, it appears the whistleblower was compelled to act because of the content of a phone call between Trump and an undisclosed foreign head of state.  How did that content become available to the whistleblower?  Was he/she present during the call?  Are transcripts kept?  Was the call recorded, either surreptitiously or as a matter of policy?

Asking for me.

 

Well, see, here's the thing......just like all the other crimes this administration has committed, they are blocking any information about it. 

[Francisco 2.0 32289]

11 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

So, it appears the whistleblower was compelled to act because of the content of a phone call between Trump and an undisclosed foreign head of state.  How did that content become available to the whistleblower?  Was he/she present during the call?  Are transcripts kept?  Was the call recorded, either surreptitiously or as a matter of policy?

Asking for me.

Trump probably bragged about it in the Oval after the call to anyone who would listen.

 

[Pig Bellmont 8656]

So the law *requires* submitting it to Congress. No wiggle room. This is a necessary function of Congressional oversight. But the acting (not senate approved) DNI head thinks this is serious enough of a scandal he’s willing to put his career on the line to prevent Congress from even learning about it. It’s both shocking and somehow unsurprising that Barr’s DOJ is providing any legal fig leaf here  

jimmyjazz, under a normal President readouts of calls with foreign leaders are circulated to White House staff. I have no idea what happened in this context. 

[DixonHur 10946]

2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

So the law *requires* submitting it to Congress. No wiggle room.

I think it's quaint that some people still think laws matter. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

 

[softlynow 1719]

8 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

I think it's quaint that some people still think laws matter. 

Texas still locks folks up for pot, but, yeah, the laws that are actually important are just guidelines, really. 

[Anastasis 23272]

Sounds like we are going to have to make action on what "Siberian wildfires" really means. 

[HenryJames 65786]

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[triplehorn 2664]

Transcript of Carol Leonnig, WaPo investigative journalist, last night on Maddow:

”… somebody who used to work at the White House, and now, has returned to their Intelligence agency, has complained to the Inspector General that this is such a serious and flagrant abuse, that they want it on the record. They want it noted. And the Inspector General has also made it clear that this is something the Gang of Eight would normally be briefed about. …

The sources are also saying — and stressing — that this is some sort of promise that the President has made.”

[HenryJames 65786]

7 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

Transcript of Carol Leonnig, WaPo investigative journalist, last night on Maddow:

”… somebody who used to work at the White House, and now, has returned to their Intelligence agency, has complained to the Inspector General that this is such a serious and flagrant abuse, that they want it on the record. They want it noted. And the Inspector General has also made it clear that this is something the Gang of Eight would normally be briefed about. …

The sources are also saying — and stressing — that this is some sort of promise that the President has made.”

Well on the bright side Trump doesn't keep his promises.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

1 hour ago, Pig Bellmont said:

 DNI head thinks this is serious enough of a scandal he’s willing to put his career on the line to prevent Congress from even learning about it. It’s both shocking and somehow unsurprising that Barr’s DOJ is providing any legal fig leaf here  

 

 

Lulz this is the shit that makes my jaw drop. How many people has Donald ruined and left disgraced? But there's still a line of dipshits ready to take selfies with the face eating leopards. 

[deech 2248]

I am sure what he promised is going to be awful, but I find it shocking he only had phone calls with leaders of Russia, North Korea, Qatar, Pakistan, and the Dutch over five weeks.  I mean I know he doesn't work but that is a scary list. 

[Post Oak 20166]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

How do people still support this dude? It's literally unbelievable when you think about it. He's gonna do his best to cheat the next election too.

I spent a lot of time thinking about this, unfortunately.

You have to have so little self-respect that you are ok being lied to over and over.  You have to be ok with being told what to do.  You have to have an Abbottian spine  and be perfectly fine with someone bullying disabled people or a gold star family.  You have to believe that owning a gun makes you more of a patriot than someone who is expressing their freedom of speech.  You wear an american flag shirt to prove you are a love it or leave it 'murican but would rather be a russian than a democrat.   You have absolutely no care whatsoever for the environment.  However you do get mad when he hurts "the wrong people".  You would rather lose your family farm than vote for someone with a D next to their name.  You easily confuse contradiction for persecution.  You have to have the foresight of a mayfly.  You have to have hate in your heart and marbles in your head. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

How do people still support this dude? It's literally unbelievable when you think about it. He's gonna do his best to cheat the next election too.

Do you even aggy, bro?

[Bruh Man 3160]

7 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

I spent a lot of time thinking about this, unfortunately.

You have to have so little self-respect that you are ok being lied to over and over.  You have to be ok with being told what to do.  You have to have an Abbottian spine  and be perfectly fine with someone bullying disabled people or a gold star family.  You have to believe that owning a gun makes you more of a patriot than someone who is expressing their freedom of speech.  You wear an american flag shirt to prove you are a love it or leave it 'murican but would rather be a russian than a democrat.   You have absolutely no care whatsoever for the environment.  However you do get mad when he hurts "the wrong people".  You would rather lose your family farm than vote for someone with a D next to their name.  You easily confuse contradiction for persecution.  You have to have the foresight of a mayfly.  You have to have hate in your heart and marbles in your head. 

I don't think most people fully comprehend how much poison fox news (and conservative radio) has injected into our society. The amount of division and hatred they've manufactured in this country is depressing to think about b/c when Trump is gone next year all of his deplorables and their telescreen remain. 

[Doc Reeves 6434]

11 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

I spent a lot of time thinking about this, unfortunately.

You have to have so little self-respect that you are ok being lied to over and over.  You have to be ok with being told what to do.  You have to have an Abbottian spine  and be perfectly fine with someone bullying disabled people or a gold star family.  You have to believe that owning a gun makes you more of a patriot than someone who is expressing their freedom of speech.  You wear an american flag shirt to prove you are a love it or leave it 'murican but would rather be a russian than a democrat.   You have absolutely no care whatsoever for the environment.  However you do get mad when he hurts "the wrong people".  You would rather lose your family farm than vote for someone with a D next to their name.  You easily confuse contradiction for persecution.  You have to have the foresight of a mayfly.  You have to have hate in your heart and marbles in your head. 

 

Its actually really simple. Lots of people are “one issue” voters. To evangelicals he is seen as an imperfect vessel to do Gods work. Literally they believe he is here to stop abortion and punish people who aren’t into Jesus the same way they are.

This is a voting block that was started in the early 90’s with homeboy Newt. The move was made by a national group of pretty right sided religious leaders and was supposed to get a jackass in power after Clinton was elected the first time. They paid off in close elections after liberal presidents with Bush in ‘00 and then again 2016. 

[Post Oak 20166]

7 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

I don't think most people fully comprehend how much poison fox news (and conservative radio) has injected into our society. The amount of division and hatred they've manufactured in this country is depressing to think about b/c when Trump is gone next year all of his deplorables and their telescreen remain. 

Totally agree.  I could've kept going and going but i was getting too angry

[David Dennison 18287]

11 minutes ago, Bruh Man said:

I don't think most people fully comprehend how much poison fox news (and conservative radio) has injected into our society. The amount of division and hatred they've manufactured in this country is depressing to think about b/c when Trump is gone next year all of his deplorables and their telescreen remain. 

I was told Barack Obama was the most divisive president in history.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

32 minutes ago, Doc Reeves said:

 

Its actually really simple. Lots of people are “one issue” voters. To evangelicals he is seen as an imperfect vessel to do Gods work. Literally they believe he is here to stop abortion and punish people who aren’t into Jesus the same way they are.

 

Abortions dropped again last year due in large part to the ACA covering contraception. Weird. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13384]

Whether you love or hate Trump, it's hard to fully comprehend this story without more details. A President could be lying to another foreign leader about a deal, or the President could be making an illegal deal. Or the whistleblower themselves doesn't understand enough to comprehend.  We don't know without context and understanding how it plays out.

Now if a President asks for a bribe or other personal benefit, it isn't so gray anymore.

 

[Longhornfan1024 1707]

30 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Abortions dropped again last year due in large part to the ACA covering contraception. Weird. 

It just goes to show that they are stupid and/or liars.  Stricter abortion laws don't have a big impact on decreasing abortions.  They just make they less safe and more expensive.  Access to healthcare, access to contraceptives, and legitimate sex education (not abstinence only) significantly decrease the rate of abortions.  But those are three things evangelicals don't support.  

[horncyclist 1384]

7 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Whether you love or hate Trump, it's hard to fully comprehend this story without more details. A President could be lying to another foreign leader about a deal, or the President could be making an illegal deal. Or the whistleblower themselves doesn't understand enough to comprehend.  We don't know without context and understanding how it plays out.

Now if a President asks for a bribe or other personal benefit, it isn't so gray anymore.

 

No but the issue here is whether Congress gets to make that assessment of the situation or not. The President has chosen unilaterally, Congress does not in violation of the law. 

To the early question of how do you support this guy: (1) you are dumb, (2) you're not dumb but made a Faustian bargain to achieve some goal and are a piece of shit. That's his support. Oh, and the racists.

[wildcat09 29077]

Best theory I’ve seen so far is that he promised Putin that he’d give him the spy that the CIA had extracted, forcing the IC to go public about the spy to try to protect him.

[Anastasis 23272]

1 minute ago, wildcat09 said:

Best theory I’ve seen so far is that he promised Putin that he’d give him the spy that the CIA had extracted, forcing the IC to go public about the spy to try to protect him.

Is this a twitter theory, or a real theory being floated in the media?

[wildcat09 29077]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Is this a twitter theory, or a real theory being floated in the media?

Twitter speculation from Brian Beutler of Crooked Media, among others. Not supported by reported sources but the timeline of events that we know seems to make it likelier than other theories.

I’m still not ruling out that he promised MBS he’d nuke Tehran in exchange for naming rights to a hotel in Riyadh.

[DDD Dad 14133]

6 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Is this a twitter theory, or a real theory being floated in the media?

It's a twitter theory being posted by media types (including Larry Tribe).

[SubliminalHorn 6506]

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Best theory I’ve seen so far is that he promised Putin that he’d give him the spy that the CIA had extracted, forcing the IC to go public about the spy to try to protect him.

If this ends up being the case, how is this anything less than treason?

[DDD Dad 14133]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

If this ends up being the case, how is this anything less than treason?

Technically not treason since we are not in a declared state of war with Russia.

[David Dennison 18287]

4 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

If this ends up being the case, how is this anything less than treason?

Technically, we have to be at war for it to be treason.

EDIT: DDD beat me to it.

Edited September 19, 2019 by David Dennison

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Can we declare war on Russia so we can put a stop to the treason?!?

[Eastwood 4394]

1 minute ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Can we declare war on Russia so we can put a stop to the treason?!?

Everything involving what would have been treason if the Cold War was an actual declared war was actually lumped into the Espionage Act. If what is being hypothesized is true, Trump might be able to be charged under the Espionage Act.

[SubliminalHorn 6506]

5 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Technically, we have to be at war for it to be treason.

EDIT: DDD beat me to it.

I know that’s the legal definition, but I mean come the fuck on. That would be aiding and abetting an enemy

[DDD Dad 14133]

1 minute ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I know that’s the legal definition, but I mean come the fuck on. That would be aiding and abetting an enemy

Ah well nevertheless.

[lemonlime 5503]

Like it fucking matters.  Say the theory is true.  Fox or whoever will put out some story that the wife of the outed CIA agent once gave $10 to the Obama campaign combined with commentators arguing that the president has the right to declassify whatever he wants.  And Tahoe, EMA, and 40% of the country, including the other two branches of government, will nod along.  Hell, they aren't even bothering to send out tweets saying they're troubled anymore.

[DigglerontheHoof 20910]

This will amount to nothing.  Trump will obstruct, congress will bitch and ...ah well, nevertheless.  Fuck everything.  This country deserves whatever hell Trump is dragging us into. 

[David Dennison 18287]

10 minutes ago, SubliminalHorn said:

I know that’s the legal definition, but I mean come the fuck on. That would be aiding and abetting an enemy

With no recourse other than impeachment.

Sigh.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Fuck this post