What's going on with this DNI Whistleblower ?

[henrygandorf 29168]

31 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Just unfucking believable 

i could give two shits about secret deals with foreign leaders.

but he's making secret deals (threats, cough) to try to be in charge for another 4 years, and that, i have a large problem with.

for anyone thinking "yeah, he might resign", take a minute to realize how many (and what type) of laws he's breaking just to try to win a second term.  he's not going anywhere voluntarily, or quietly.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

Trump is such an ignorant NPD sociopath he probably didn’t even think blackmailing Ukraine was wrong or out of bounds. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Doc Sam Beckett 5781]

13 minutes ago, horncyclist said:

If they were so reckless with this, you have to wonder what else Trump has been doing on a regular basis. Biden probably isn't even going to be the nominee for christ sakes. Why risk this shit?

Read something earlier that at the time of the call with Ukraine, Fox News had just released a poll showing Biden up by 10 points over Donald, and he just escaped Mueller's testimony, so he was riding high on criminal behavior and pissed that his buddies showed him down to grandpa Joe 

[Mo Horn 8768]

I don't know if this is encouraging or pathetic. They absolutely believe he should be impeached, but because they have to vote in public they will not vote to do it.  Your U.S. Senate folks. 

[Mojo Hand 4580]

32 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

What were the concerns?   I've used up my free articles. 

[henrygandorf 29168]

1 minute ago, Mo Horn said:

I don't know if this is encouraging or pathetic. They absolutely believe he should be impeached, but because they have to vote in public they will not vote to do it.  Your U.S. Senate folks. 

it's not at all surprising.  it's not about bowing to trump, it's about keeping their jobs.

people do crazy shit to keep their jobs/lifestyle, and add in power, and none of this behavior is the least bit shocking.

the country is so divided and partisan, and they know where their bread is buttered.  i'm not defending it, but it shouldn't surprise anyone at all.

[Jack Straw 2953]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

Trump is such an ignorant NPD sociopath he probably didn’t even think blackmailing Ukraine was wrong or out of bounds. 

Republicans don’t think it’s wrong or out of bounds.  The ones that do, aren’t Republicans anymore.  

[Lurch 5916]

So, did Trump have the call summary edited post-call, and that triggered the whistle blower? Would be hilarious if what we saw today was the product of his crime and it was STILL damning

[Francisco 2.0 32289]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pentagon-defense-letter-trump-excuse-ukraine-aid

 

Quote

A newly uncovered letter from the Pentagon debunks one of President Donald Trump’s excuses for delaying aid to Ukraine in late July.

On Monday, Trump suggested he had withheld the aid to Ukraine only because he wanted to make sure the funds weren’t going to a corrupt government.

“If you don’t talk about corruption, why would you give money to a country that you think is corrupt?” Trump said.

 

Quote

But a letter from the Defense Department sent to Congress in May, first obtained by NPR, shows that the Pentagon had “certified” that Ukraine had taken sufficient measures to combat corruption and was therefore was eligible for aid–before Trump’s call.

“On behalf of the Secretary of Defense, and in coordination with the Secretary of State, I have certified that the Government of Ukraine has taken substantial actions to make defense institutional reforms for the purposes of decreasing corruption, increasing accountability, and sustaining improvements of combat capability enabled by U.S. assistance,” wrote John Rood, the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy.

 

 

[triplehorn 2664]

excellent thread laying out a key sequence of events in the months long run-up involving Rudy's efforts, then Trump attempting to close it with extortion. 

It's amazing how out in the open Rudy was twitting his state of mind:

cont.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

On planet stupid tonight 

 

[bolverk 29172]

1 minute ago, Mojo Hand said:

What were the concerns?   I've used up my free articles. 

Whistle-Blower Is Said to Allege Concerns About White House Handling of Ukraine Call
New details have emerged about the intelligence officer who raised alarms about the president’s pressure on Ukraine to open inquiries that could benefit him politically.

WASHINGTON — The intelligence officer who filed a whistle-blower complaint about President Trump’s interactions with the leader of Ukraine raised alarms not only about what the two men said in a phone call, but also about how the White House handled records of the conversation, according to two people briefed on the complaint.

The whistle-blower, moreover, identified multiple White House officials as witnesses to potential presidential misconduct who could corroborate the complaint, the people said — adding that the inspector general for the intelligence community, Michael Atkinson, interviewed witnesses.

Mr. Atkinson eventually concluded that there was reason to believe that the president may have illegally solicited a foreign campaign contribution — and that his potential misconduct created a national security risk, according to a newly disclosed Justice Department memo.

An early portrait of the intelligence officer began to take shape on Wednesday as the White House released a rough log of a July 25 phone call between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, the latest extraordinary revelation set off by the whistle-blower’s complaint.

This account is based on interviews with the two people and with lawmakers who were permitted to read the complaint late in the day, as well as on details revealed in a Justice Department memo explaining the Trump administration’s legal rationale for withholding the whistle-blower’s allegations from Congress before Mr. Trump relented this week. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Atkinson also found reason to believe that the whistle-blower may not support the re-election of Mr. Trump and made clear that the complainant was not in a position to directly listen to the call or see the memo that reconstructed it before it was made public, according to the Justice Department memo, which referred only to a single phone call between Mr. Trump and an unnamed foreign leader.

Instead, the officer heard about the call secondhand from unidentified White House officials who expressed concern that Mr. Trump had “abused his authority or acted unlawfully in connection with foreign diplomacy,” the memo said. Still, Mr. Atkinson concluded after an investigation that the information in the complaint was credible.

In their first public comments, lawyers for the whistle-blower said their client hopes to remain anonymous but wants to continue to cooperate with lawmakers conducting oversight.

Mr. Trump had brought up American aid to Ukraine to Mr. Zelensky — without mentioning that at the time he was blocking delivery of a large military assistance package that Congress had approved to help it fend off Russian aggression — and suggested that Ukraine could be doing more to help the United States, the reconstructed transcript of the call indicated.

Mr. Trump then asked the Ukrainian president to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his younger son, Hunter Biden. Mr. Zelensky agreed to have his incoming top prosecutor do so, while asking whether the United States had information to share. A previous top prosecutor in Ukraine said in May that the Bidens did nothing wrong.

Mr. Trump also pressed Mr. Zelensky to “do us a favor, though”: to use Attorney General William P. Barr’s help in opening an investigation of a company involved in the beginnings of the F.B.I. inquiry of Russia’s 2016 election interference. Both potential inquiries could benefit Mr. Trump politically.

But the two people said the whistle-blower complaint went beyond Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Zelensky. It also dealt in part with the unusual manner in which White House officials handled internal records describing the call. The atypical proceeding heightened internal concerns about the content of the call, the two people said.

Bowing to pressure, the Trump administration permitted members of the intelligence committees and congressional leaders to read a copy of the complaint, which remains classified, late on Wednesday.

Its allegations were “deeply disturbing” and “very credible,” Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, said after emerging from reviewing the complaint.

It contained far more information that reinforced their mounting concerns, Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee told reporters after reading it. They could disclose very little because the complaint remained classified, but several of the lawmakers said it discussed other witnesses.

"It was very well written and certainly provides information for the committee to follow up with other witnesses and documents,” Mr. Schiff said.

ImageA newly released transcript of a conversation between Mr. Trump and the Ukrainian leader added urgency to a House inquiry into the president’s dealings with Ukraine, Representative Adam B. Schiff said.
A newly released transcript of a conversation between Mr. Trump and the Ukrainian leader added urgency to a House inquiry into the president’s dealings with Ukraine, Representative Adam B. Schiff said.CreditAnna Moneymaker/The New York Times
But the revelations that the whistle-blower had identified White House witnesses dovetailed with new details in the Justice Department memo, which was signed by Steven A. Engel, the head of its Office of Legal Counsel.

He argued that it was lawful for the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, to refuse to turn the whistle-blower complaint over to Congress — a stance that the Trump administration began to back off from as Democrats step up talk of potentially impeaching the president. Mr. Maguire was to testify about the complaint on Thursday.

After hearing about the July call, the intelligence officer agreed that Mr. Trump might be “seeking to pressure that leader to take an action to help the president’s 2020 re-election campaign,” Mr. Engel wrote, and decided to tell Congress about it, using a process that protects intelligence whistle-blowers from reprisal.

That process requires complaints to go through the inspector general and intelligence director. It says if the inspector general deems a complaint to be credible and present an urgent concern, the intelligence director shall send it to Congress within seven days.

Mr. Atkinson determined that the complaint met the criteria for an “urgent concern,” partly because it fell within Mr. Maguire’s “operational responsibility to prevent election interference.” But Mr. Engel disagreed, arguing that it did not center on intelligence activities that Mr. Maguire supervises.

In explaining his interpretation of the whistle-blower law, Mr. Engel also noted that Mr. Atkinson had found unspecified indications of “an arguable political bias,” suggesting the whistle-blower favored a rival political candidate, the memo said.

But Mr. Atkinson, a Trump appointee, nevertheless concluded that the allegations appeared to be credible and identified two layers of concern.

The first involved a possible violation of criminal law. Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Zelensky “could be viewed as soliciting a foreign campaign contribution in violation of the campaign-finance laws,” Mr. Atkinson wrote, according to the Justice Department memo.

(Mr. Engel, while saying the allegations did not fit within the intelligence whistle-blower system that enables Congress to see complaints, said such a complaint could instead result in a criminal referral. Mr. Maguire and Mr. Atkinson then made referrals, an official said, but the Justice Department closed the matter without charges.)

The second concern Mr. Atkinson identified, according to the Justice Department memo, was that Mr. Trump’s potential misconduct might expose him “to serious national security and counterintelligence risks.”

Mr. Engel did not elaborate, and it was not clear whether he was suggesting that Mr. Trump would be subject to extortion if foreign officials threatened to expose his purported misconduct or referring to some other risk.

Both the reconstructed transcript and the Justice Department memo may be incomplete. The transcript contained a footnote that said it was not “verbatim,” and it contained ellipses.

And Mr. Engel’s memo, dated Sept. 24, said in a footnote that it was a revision of an original from Sept. 3, and that the department had “changed the prior version to avoid references to certain details that remain classified.”

Lawyers for the whistle-blower expressed concern in an interview on Wednesday about officials disclosing their client’s identity.

“Intelligence officers, by nature, are not people who want to be publicly known,” said Andrew P. Bakaj, the lead lawyer for the whistle-blower. “If you are an intelligence officer through and through, you are doing this for national security.”

The comments by Mr. Bakaj — who is representing the officer for free along with two other lawyers, Mark Zaid and Charles McCullough III — were the first, however limited, to the press about the case. Coming forward to the inspector general was very risky, said John Napier Tye, the founder of Whistleblower Aid, which is raising money to defer expenses for the complainant.

“To have the president of the United States tweeting about you, casting aspersions, it is scary for anyone — it is very scary for anyone who works in the intelligence community,” Mr. Tye said.

The legal team’s objective, Mr. Zaid said, is to continue to try to get information about the complaint lawfully to the congressional oversight committees. Mr. Zaid and Mr. Bakaj have sought permission from Mr. Maguire to be cleared to see the full complaint and represent their client before the House Intelligence Committee.

[staboner 4955]

16 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

I don't know if this is encouraging or pathetic. They absolutely believe he should be impeached, but because they have to vote in public they will not vote to do it.  Your U.S. Senate folks. 

its like the government doesn't work any more in the way it was supposed to. 

they supposed to be republic. 

i know, i know, we can't ask something to reform itself. might as well just throw our hands up and vote Quimby. 

its all good friends. someday Quimby will win, I hope

Edited September 26, 2019 by staboner

[staboner 4955]

3 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

On planet stupid tonight 

 

in third world countries you have blurred lines between the media and the state. something we Americans just cringe at

in the US we have two state sponsored media outlets. sure one is more state-y than the other but they is. 

Does that make us a 6th world country? am I doing the math right?

[Bruh Man 3160]

4 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

On planet stupid tonight 

 

[cactusflinthead 27586]

9 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

What were the concerns?   I

 

By Charlie Savage, Michael S. Schmidt and Julian E. Barnes

• Sept. 25, 2019

WASHINGTON — The intelligence officer who filed a whistle-blower complaint about President Trump’s interactions with the leader of Ukraine raised alarms not only about what the two men said in a phone call, but also about how the White House handled records of the conversation, according to two people briefed on the complaint.

The whistle-blower, moreover, identified multiple White House officials as witnesses to potential presidential misconduct who could corroborate the complaint, the people said — adding that the inspector general for the intelligence community, Michael Atkinson, interviewed witnesses.

Mr. Atkinson eventually concluded that there was reason to believe that the president may have illegally solicited a foreign campaign contribution — and that his potential misconduct created a national security risk, according to a newly disclosed Justice Department memo.

An early portrait of the intelligence officer began to take shape on Wednesday as the White House released a rough log of a July 25 phone call between Mr. Trump and President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, the latest extraordinary revelation set off by the whistle-blower’s complaint.

 Trump administration’s legal rationale for withholding the whistle-blower’s allegations from Congress before Mr. Trump relented this week. The White House did not respond to a request for comment.

Mr. Atkinson also found reason to believe that the whistle-blower may not support the re-election of Mr. Trump and made clear that the complainant was not in a position to directly listen to the call or see the memo that reconstructed it before it was made public, according to the Justice Department memo, which referred only to a single phone call between Mr. Trump and an unnamed foreign leader.

Instead, the officer heard about the call secondhand from unidentified White House officials who expressed concern that Mr. Trump had “abused his authority or acted unlawfully in connection with foreign diplomacy,” the memo said. Still, Mr. Atkinson concluded after an investigation that the information in the complaint was credible.

In their first public comments, lawyers for the whistle-blower said their client hopes to remain anonymous but wants to continue to cooperate with lawmakers conducting oversight.

Mr. Trump had brought up American aid to Ukraine to Mr. Zelensky — without mentioning that at the time he was blocking delivery of a large military assistance package that Congress had approved to help it fend off Russian aggression — and suggested that Ukraine could be doing more to help the United States, the reconstructed transcript of the call indicated.

Mr. Trump then asked the Ukrainian president to investigate former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his younger son, Hunter Biden. Mr. Zelensky agreed to have his incoming top prosecutor do so, while asking whether the United States had information to share. A previous top prosecutor in Ukraine said in May that the Bidens did nothing wrong.

Mr. Trump also pressed Mr. Zelensky to “do us a favor, though”: to use Attorney General William P. Barr’s help in opening an investigation of a company involved in the beginnings of the F.B.I. inquiry of Russia’s 2016 election interference. Both potential inquiries could benefit Mr. Trump politically.

But the two people said the whistle-blower complaint went beyond Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Zelensky. It also dealt in part with the unusual manner in which White House officials handled internal records describing the call. The atypical proceeding heightened internal concerns about the content of the call, the two people said

Bowing to pressure, the Trump administration permitted members of the intelligence committees and congressional leaders to read a copy of the complaint, which remains classified, late on Wednesday.

Its allegations were “deeply disturbing” and “very credible,” Representative Adam B. Schiff, Democrat of California and the chairman of the Intelligence Committee, said after emerging from reviewing the complaint.

It contained far more information that reinforced their mounting concerns, Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee told reporters after reading it. They could disclose very little because the complaint remained classified, but several of the lawmakers said it discussed other witnesses.

“It was very well written and certainly provides information for the committee to follow up with other witnesses and documents,” Mr. Schiff said.

 

But the revelations that the whistle-blower had identified White House witnesses dovetailed with new details in the Justice Department memo, which was signed by Steven A. Engel, the head of its Office of Legal Counsel.

He argued that it was lawful for the acting director of national intelligence, Joseph Maguire, to refuse to turn the whistle-blower complaint over to Congress — a stance that the Trump administration began to back off from as Democrats step up talk of potentially impeaching the president. Mr. Maguire was to testify about the complaint on Thursday.

After hearing about the July call, the intelligence officer agreed that Mr. Trump might be “seeking to pressure that leader to take an action to help the president’s 2020 re-election campaign,” Mr. Engel wrote, and decided to tell Congress about it, using a process that protects intelligence whistle-blowers from reprisal.

 

That process requires complaints to go through the inspector general and intelligence director. It says if the inspector general deems a complaint to be credible and present an urgent concern, the intelligence director shall send it to Congress within seven days.

Mr. Atkinson determined that the complaint met the criteria for an “urgent concern,” partly because it fell within Mr. Maguire’s “operational responsibility to prevent election interference.” But Mr. Engel disagreed, arguing that it did not center on intelligence activities that Mr. Maguire supervises.

In explaining his interpretation of the whistle-blower law, Mr. Engel also noted that Mr. Atkinson had found unspecified indications of “an arguable political bias,” suggesting the whistle-blower favored a rival political candidate, the memo said.

But Mr. Atkinson, a Trump appointee, nevertheless concluded that the allegations appeared to be credible and identified two layers of concern.

The first involved a possible violation of criminal law. Mr. Trump’s comments to Mr. Zelensky “could be viewed as soliciting a foreign campaign contribution in violation of the campaign-finance laws,” Mr. Atkinson wrote, according to the Justice Department memo.

(Mr. Engel, while saying the allegations did not fit within the intelligence whistle-blower system that enables Congress to see complaints, said such a complaint could instead result in a criminal referral. Mr. Maguire and Mr. Atkinson then made referrals, an official said, but the Justice Department closed the matter without charges.)

The second concern Mr. Atkinson identified, according to the Justice Department memo, was that Mr. Trump’s potential misconduct might expose him “to serious national security and counterintelligence risks.”

Mr. Engel did not elaborate, and it was not clear whether he was suggesting that Mr. Trump would be subject to extortion if foreign officials threatened to expose his purported misconduct or referring to some other risk.

Both the reconstructed transcript and the Justice Department memo may be incomplete. The transcript contained a footnote that said it was not “verbatim,” and it contained ellipses.

And Mr. Engel’s memo, dated Sept. 24, said in a footnote that it was a revision of an original from Sept. 3, and that the department had “changed the prior version to avoid references to certain details that remain classified.”

Lawyers for the whistle-blower expressed concern in an interview on Wednesday about officials disclosing their client’s identity.

“Intelligence officers, by nature, are not people who want to be publicly known,” said Andrew P. Bakaj, the lead lawyer for the whistle-blower. “If you are an intelligence officer through and through, you are doing this for national security.”

The comments by Mr. Bakaj — who is representing the officer for free along with two other lawyers, Mark Zaid and Charles McCullough III — were the first, however limited, to the press about the case. Coming forward to the inspector general was very risky, said John Napier Tye, the founder of Whistleblower Aid, which is raising money to defer expenses for the complainant.

“To have the president of the United States tweeting about you, casting aspersions, it is scary for anyone — it is very scary for anyone who works in the intelligence community,” Mr. Tye said.

The legal team’s objective, Mr. Zaid said, is to continue to try to get information about the complaint lawfully to the congressional oversight committees. Mr. Zaid and Mr. Bakaj have sought permission from Mr. Maguire to be cleared to see the full complaint and represent their client before the House Intelligence Committee.

Reporting was contributed by Katie Benner, Nicholas Fandos, Maggie Haberman and Mark Mazzetti.

[F250 28597]

Stopped at a liquor store earlier this evening and set down a bottle of Balcones Rye and told the older woman standing at the register that I was a sucker for rye whiskey.

"BULLSHIT!" was her reply.

Me: "Excuse me?"

Her: "Oh, I am sorry sir, I just get so worked up when they attack my President."

I look around and notice a radio playing AM talk radio discussing Ukraine.

Me: "Maybe focus on the things that matter like family and health, this shit is bad for the blood pressure."

Her: "My daughter keeps telling me that but our poor President is under attack. It's so upsetting. " She feigns a sad voice.

Me: "Try meditation or prayer, anything but listening to that, no point in getting upset for someone who doesn't pay your bills, right?"

Her: "I know but he does so much for the country..."

Fuck it, I pay and walk out pointing at the radio, "Good luck with that."

 

 

 

 

[BrickHorn 18131]

That’s odd.  Usually old ladies that work at liquor stores are pretty sharp.

[F250 28597]

1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

That’s odd.  Usually old ladies that work at liquor stores are pretty sharp.

She had a classic deplorable look, shocking I know.

[WhatTheBuck 28685]

10 minutes ago, F250 said:

Stopped at a liquor store earlier this evening and set down a bottle of Balcones Rye and told the older woman standing at the register that I was a sucker for rye whiskey.

"BULLSHIT!" was her reply.

Me: "Excuse me?"

Her: "Oh, I am sorry sir, I just get so worked up when they attack my President."

I look around and notice a radio playing AM talk radio discussing Ukraine.

Me: "Maybe focus on the things that matter like family and health, this shit is bad for the blood pressure."

Her: "My daughter keeps telling me that but our poor President is under attack. It's so upsetting. " She feigns a sad voice.

Me: "Try meditation or prayer, anything but listening to that, no point in getting upset for someone who doesn't pay your bills, right?"

Her: "I know but he does so much for the country..."

Fuck it, I pay and walk out pointing at the radio, "Good luck with that."

Find a different liquor store. 

[UpperWestside 6073]

51 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

i could give two shits about secret deals with foreign leaders.

but he's making secret deals (threats, cough) to try to be in charge for another 4 years, and that, i have a large problem with.

for anyone thinking "yeah, he might resign", take a minute to realize how many (and what type) of laws he's breaking just to try to win a second term.  he's not going anywhere voluntarily, or quietly.

I am so damn disgusted with all of this. That he was coercing a foreign leader to help eliminate a possible presidential contender is just batshit crazy in any other timeline, save this one. 

Folks we have to stand up wherever it is we live at in this country and just say no more. Maybe the effort is futile, but we have to resist this insanity. 

[BrickHorn 18131]

6 minutes ago, F250 said:

She had a classic deplorable look, shocking I know.

She’s a member of a cult.  She views Trump as some kind of tortured messiah.  Why?  Because he says so.  Never mind he’s a rich turd who’s never earned a fair buck and has never done a single kind thing for another human being in his wretched life.  He got up on the TV and said we should lock up brown people and That Awful Hillary, promised to make our every sad dream come true, and then recounted how mean everyone is to him.  He’s a hero.  A saint.  A god.  Because he said so.  

Times like these peel back the veneer of humanity and reveal just how fucking pathetic our species is.  Most of us are stupid and selfish.  It’s sad.  The robot overlords can’t take over soon enough.

Edited September 26, 2019 by BrickHorn

[Js1 84934]

14 minutes ago, F250 said:

Stopped at a liquor store earlier this evening and set down a bottle of Balcones Rye and told the older woman standing at the register that I was a sucker for rye whiskey.

"BULLSHIT!" was her reply.

Me: "Excuse me?"

Her: "Oh, I am sorry sir, I just get so worked up when they attack my President."

I look around and notice a radio playing AM talk radio discussing Ukraine.

Me: "Maybe focus on the things that matter like family and health, this shit is bad for the blood pressure."

Her: "My daughter keeps telling me that but our poor President is under attack. It's so upsetting. " She feigns a sad voice.

Me: "Try meditation or prayer, anything but listening to that, no point in getting upset for someone who doesn't pay your bills, right?"

Her: "I know but he does so much for the country..."

Fuck it, I pay and walk out pointing at the radio, "Good luck with that."

 

 

 

 

Talking about Trump to customers is a sure way to lose customers to pay bills. 

[DixonHur 10950]

I guess we can add "or a Ukrainian" now...

[F250 28597]

Just now, WhatTheBuck said:

Find a different liquor store. 

Nah, usually there is a younger guy there that is pretty cool and has been helpful with setting aside bourbon that's in high demand. I can't give up my connection.

[henrygandorf 29168]

1 minute ago, UpperWestside said:

I am so damn disgusted with all of this. That he was coercing a foreign leader to help eliminate a possible presidential contender is just batshit crazy in any other timeline, save this one. 

Folks we have to stand up wherever it is we live at in this country and just say no more. Maybe the effort is futile, but we have to resist this insanity. 

yeah, i think a lot of us are to the point where we don't even care that much about his bullshit personal enrichment scams, as long as they don't affect us.  trying to steal another election crosses my personal line.  go make all the money you can off the grift, and maybe someone can put it in your prison acct in rikers.

[WhatTheBuck 28685]

8 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

yeah, i think a lot of us are to the point where we don't even care that much about his bullshit personal enrichment scams, as long as they don't affect us.  trying to steal another election crosses my personal line.  go make all the money you can off the grift, and maybe someone can put it in your prison acct in rikers.

The "personal enrichment scams" involve stealing money from you, the taxpayer. You should care about that. You should be outraged by that. The President is a mobster skimming money off of government coffers for personal profit. It's unprecedented. Fifty years from now historians will still be wondering how the fuck we ever let that happen. 

[BrickHorn 18131]

2 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The "personal enrichment scams" involve stealing money from you, the taxpayer. You should care about that. You should be outraged by that. The President is a mobster skimming money off of government coffers for personal profit. It's unprecedented. Fifty years from now historians will still be wondering how the fuck we ever let that happen. 

We let it happen because 35% of us are naive idiots and another 15% have been absorbing far right propaganda 24/7 for 30 years. 

[Brisketexan 104175]

She’s a member of a cult.  She views Trump as some kind of tortured messiah.  Why?  Because he says so.  Never mind he’s a rich turd who’s never earned a fair buck and has never done a single kind thing for another human being in his wretched life.  He got up on the TV and said we should lock up brown people and That Awful Hillary, promised to make our every sad dream come true, and then recounted how mean everyone is to him.  He’s a hero.  A saint.  A god.  Because he said so.  
Times like these peel back the veneer of humanity and reveal just how fucking pathetic our species is.  Most of us are stupid and selfish.  It’s sad.  The robot overlords can’t take over soon enough.

Fuck yeah.

[Message Board User 12386]

 

[Francisco 2.0 32289]

 

 

[henrygandorf 29168]

24 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The "personal enrichment scams" involve stealing money from you, the taxpayer. You should care about that. You should be outraged by that. The President is a mobster skimming money off of government coffers for personal profit. It's unprecedented. Fifty years from now historians will still be wondering how the fuck we ever let that happen. 

yeah that’s kinda my point. i used to care, now i just want him gone. 

[Anastasis 23274]

4 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Does this dipshit not know how to provide a fucking link?

[Goredho 17247]

Repugnantcans seem to be clinging to "no quid pro quo" as some sort of exoneration for Trump.  Shut the fuck up, assholes.  One of the following statements is true:

• President Trump attempted to coerce a foreign power to influence a US election
• President Trump attempted to solicit a foreign power to influence a US election

Who gives a shit whether it was coercion, solicitation or fucking innuendo?  The President of the United States attempted to recruit a foreign power to politically assassinate a political rival so as to secure their re-election.  The method by which they attempted to achieve that is fucking irrelevant.

Trump needs to be removed from the white house immediately and placed in cell block D if not hung at the Washington Monument

[Js1 84934]

7 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Then post it, bitch. (Him, not you)

[Hugo Stiglitz 23355]

BOOM MANAFORT 

I knew it

 

[Message Board User 12386]

 

[jimmyjazz 45324]

Just now, Message Board User said:

 

Barr is summarizing for us.

[henrygandorf 29168]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Barr is summarizing for us.

well that's all i need.

he's earned that trust.

[bolverk 29172]

6 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

BOOM MANAFORT 

I knew it

 

[Message Board User 12386]

Of fucking course.

 

[sachick 1189]

Of fucking course.
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Saved it in Trumps phone. He’s gonna accidentally tweet it out tomorrow morning.

[Js1 84934]

2 minutes ago, sachick said:

Saved it in Trumps phone. He’s gonna accidentally tweet it out tomorrow morning.

Nah it was probably on Rudy’s phone he was flashing on Fox News

[Post Oak 20166]

1 hour ago, F250 said:

Stopped at a liquor store earlier this evening and set down a bottle of Balcones Rye and told the older woman standing at the register that I was a sucker for rye whiskey.

"BULLSHIT!" was her reply.

Me: "Excuse me?"

Her: "Oh, I am sorry sir, I just get so worked up when they attack my President."

I look around and notice a radio playing AM talk radio discussing Ukraine.

Me: "Maybe focus on the things that matter like family and health, this shit is bad for the blood pressure."

Her: "My daughter keeps telling me that but our poor President is under attack. It's so upsetting. " She feigns a sad voice.

Me: "Try meditation or prayer, anything but listening to that, no point in getting upset for someone who doesn't pay your bills, right?"

Her: "I know but he does so much for the country..."

Fuck it, I pay and walk out pointing at the radio, "Good luck with that."

 

 

 

 

My man

[Post Oak 20166]

39 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Found it

Whistle Blower

[Keef 736]

This is a pretty damning timeline for Trump and Giuliani, and does a good job distilling the information: https://www.justsecurity.org/66271/timeline-trump-giuliani-bidens-and-ukrainegate/

[jimmyjazz 45324]

27 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Of fucking course.

 

It's "Eighteen Minutes" Part II.

[triplehorn 2664]

Declassified report will be released tomorrow morning (multiple sources)

the answers Acting DNI gives tomorrow are still critical to understand WH/DOJ involvement.  Rep Spier questions if WH/DOJ approached Maguire first.

Edited September 26, 2019 by triplehorn

[Bama Chick 28596]

Emails on a private server

 

Blackmailing a foreign government for assistance in a bogus investigation to win a presidential election and keeping that information on an iPhone.

 

Potato

Pahtato

 

Fuck every single person who supports the Trumpublicans.

 

[Ted Lange 15947]

If Lucy yanks the football back this time...