What's going on with this DNI Whistleblower ?

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32 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

doing work.  25 page document at the link:

 

Fairly quick read, some holy shit in there. The texts are written out on pages 4-9. Taylor covers his ass twice VERY directly. Before that is the Dems letter and after it is screenshots of the texts. Sondland tries to shoot it down, but it's so fucking obvious all laid out like that in context. 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, horncyclist said:

Other than just straight up lying to the public--I don't see how Republicans defend this. They had gone all in on "there was no quid pro quo" but contemporaneous evidence shows clearly there was. The President withheld military aide to pressure Ukraine to investigate his political rival, making clear the quid pro quo through official diplomatic channels. 

 

 

Michael Mukasey was on PBS last night with the position that what Trump did w/ Ukraine, his comments about China yesterday, etc, we're distasteful but not in any way impeachable.  He said that was for the voters to decide.

This will be the Reps major point.  Nothing that was done is illegal, let the voters decide.  Fuckers are all in on Trump and, unless his base turns on him, they'll follow him to hell. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,520]

26 minutes ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

He said that was for the voters and Russia and China and Ukraine and others to be named or discovered to decide.

Fify

[Mdhorn 5,858]

5 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Michael Mukasey was on PBS last night with the position that what Trump did w/ Ukraine, his comments about China yesterday, etc, we're distasteful but not in any way impeachable.  He said that was for the voters to decide.

This will be the Reps major point.  Nothing that was done is illegal, let the voters decide.  Fuckers are all in on Trump and, unless his base turns on him, they'll follow him to hell. 

So let the voters decide while calling for foreign intervention. Got it. 

[jimmyjazz 45,344]

5 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Michael Mukasey was on PBS last night with the position that what Trump did w/ Ukraine, his comments about China yesterday, etc, we're distasteful but not in any way impeachable.  He said that was for the voters to decide.

This will be the Reps major point.  Nothing that was done is illegal, let the voters decide.  Fuckers are all in on Trump and, unless his base turns on him, they'll follow him to hell. 

But it is illegal.  That has to be repeated over and over again.

[Biff Tannen 45,389]

6 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Michael Mukasey was on PBS last night with the position that what Trump did w/ Ukraine, his comments about China yesterday, etc, we're distasteful but not in any way impeachable.  He said that was for the voters to decide.

This will be the Reps major point.  Nothing that was done is illegal, let the voters decide.  Fuckers are all in on Trump and, unless his base turns on him, they'll follow him to hell. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

Michael Atkinson testifying right now in closed door session with HIC. I hope he is a person of character and tells the truth.

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16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

But it is illegal.  That has to be repeated over and over again.

Being illegal isn't a good enough argument.  The key is that it is illegal in a way that could affect the election.

If they guy was illegally smoking weed -- sure, let's have an election.  The weed smoking doesn't affect the election.  But this guy's crime is directly related to the fucking election.

As if anyone other than a brain dead fool doesn't understand that.  But 63 million of those. 

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17 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Michael Atkinson testifying right now in closed door session with HIC. I hope he is a person of character and tells the truth.

If he wasn't, we wouldn't know about any of this. 

[Pig Bellmont 8,660]

36 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

But it is illegal.  That has to be repeated over and over again.

It’s a felony. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,355]

3 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

It’s a felony. 

It’s a NATIONAL SECURITY CRIME.  Trump’s behavior threatens everyone’s rights in this country when he can call up a foreign government to do a character assassination campaign on Joe Biden or his son.  You could be next and no one will stop it if Trump isn’t held to account NOW.

That’s how this needs to be sold. 

[wildcat09 29,128]

It's so fucking annoying that the Dems can't even figure out how to message "he started a trade war with China, severely damaging the US steel and agricultural industries, in order to leverage the trade war to get them to do personal favors for him." The Dems are the goddamn Washington Generals.

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,520]

It's such a ludicrously aristocratic proposal that only the shamelessly privileged could come up with. If in a moment of whimsy you feel like committing a felony in broad daylight, the worse that can happen is not getting elected. That's a golden ticket to do whatever the fuck you want simply by running for office.

 

Also, I'm running for president until I'm dead. Let the voters decide.

[Mrs Whiggins 13,049]

26 minutes ago, Mojo Hand said:

If he wasn't, we wouldn't know about any of this. 

People are complex. Did you ever see the Affleck movie, The Accountant?  JK Simmons' character, Ray King talks with another Treasury agent about Ben Affleck's character and his puzzling moral compass. I don't have a direct quote, but I could completely understand what he was talking about.

Some people have a line in the sand and it is straight and solid and constant, for others it is curvy and wiggly and fades away in spots.

[triplehorn 2,664]

44 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

It's so fucking annoying that the Dems can't even figure out how to message "he started a trade war with China, severely damaging the US steel and agricultural industries, in order to leverage the trade war to get them to do personal favors for him." The Dems are the goddamn Washington Generals.

 

And GOP are the paid off refs.

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16 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

As a highly distinguished attorney, I'd like to share this neat thing I learned about signed documents. Your recollection of signing them isn't a prerequisite for them to exist. You can actually just look at them. Pretty cool, huh? 

Edit: Looks like I quoted the wrong post. Meant to reply to the post where one of those senators responded that they didn't remember signing the letter. 

Edited October 4, 2019 by SquishMitten

[triplehorn 2,664]

Consider how far back this Giuliani/Trump plot goes to counter the Russia 2016 election hack conclusions- at a bare minimum to July 2018.  In reality, given that Rudy goes public with it in July 2018, the underpinnings had to be in the works for some time before going public with it:

So what happened in June 2018, just before public messaging started on it ?

this VVVV

 

The sequence and proximity of events is pretty damn tight.  I'd be willing to bet Bill Barr's "audition letter" was crafted after he was vetted for playing ball with Rudy on the schemes unfolding today related to the whistleblower.

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8 hours ago, DigglerontheHoof said:

Michael Mukasey was on PBS last night with the position that what Trump did w/ Ukraine, his comments about China yesterday, etc, we're distasteful but not in any way impeachable.  He said that was for the voters to decide.

This will be the Reps major point.  Nothing that was done is illegal, let the voters decide.  Fuckers are all in on Trump and, unless his base turns on him, they'll follow him to hell. 

He could stand in the middle of Fifth Ave. and shoot someone and they'd still defend him. 

2 hours ago, jimmyjazz said:

But it is illegal.  That has to be repeated over and over again.

When the (Republican) President does it, that means it's not illegal. 

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3 minutes ago, WhatTheBuck said:

He could stand in the middle of Fifth Ave. and shoot someone and they'd still defend him. 

When the (Republican) President does it, that means it's not illegal. 

These.  That's where we are.

[triplehorn 2,664]

Thinking more about Barr's ridiculous "audition letter", after being vetted for AG by Rudy/Trump, I expect he was put up to it as a now familiar public signal similar to Trump demanding Zelensky make a public statement about investigations into corruption "mentioning Biden" before he would get an official WH visit.  But just as Trump's proposition to Zalensky was about more than investigating Biden on fabricated offenses - it was also about Ukraine getting paid US taxpayer appropriations - Barr's deal would be about more than shielding Trump from Mueller and include some form of reciprocity.  Barr's family got legal jobs at Dept. of Treasury and WH counsel staff, for one.  There certainly could be more in it for Barr.

In both cases of Barr and Zelensky, the demand from Trump would be/was for them to make a public declaration that locks them into a part of the corrupt quid pro quo specifically benefitting Trump.

[triplehorn 2,664]

Bill fucking Barr, ladies and gentlemen.  Take this corrupt pos down:

 

Same thing happened to SDNY over Trump Org investigation.  All the witnesses and those like Trump Org CFO Weisselberg and their attorneys were geared up to go forward with cooperation last winter.  Then it all got drowned in silence.

[Francisco 2.0 32,289]

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.html

 

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A second intelligence official who was alarmed by President Trump’s dealings with Ukraine is weighing whether to file his own formal whistle-blower complaint and testify to Congress, according to two people briefed on the matter. 

The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower, whose complaint that Mr. Trump was using his power to get Ukraine to investigate his political rivals touched off an impeachment inquiry. The second official is among those interviewed by the intelligence community inspector general to corroborate the allegations of the original whistle-blower, one of the people said.

 

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The inspector general, Michael Atkinson, briefed lawmakersprivately on Friday about how he substantiated the whistle-blower’s account. It was not clear whether he told lawmakers that the second official is considering filing a complaint.

A new complaint, particularly from someone closer to the events, would potentially add further credibility to the account of the first whistle-blower, a C.I.A. officer who was detailed to the National Security Council at one point. He said that he relied on information from more than half a dozen American officials to compile his allegations about Mr. Trump’s campaign to solicit foreign election interference that could benefit him politically. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Mdhorn said:

So let the voters decide while calling for foreign intervention. 

Yep.  Sounds like the Republicans have it set up perfectly.  

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1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.html

 

 

 

 

Not sure we need another whistleblower. You know who else added credibility to the original complaint...?

[Celery Man 20,822]

Yeah i can corroborate this behavior directly, where the whistle at.

[bolverk 29,214]

1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

Yeah i can corroborate this behavior directly, where the whistle at.

Dangling from a string around the neck of some kid at a rave?

[WhatTheBuck 28,691]

2 hours ago, bolverk said:

Dangling from a string around the neck of some kid at a rave?

That would be a pacifier. 

[Biff Tannen 45,389]

5 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

The official has more direct information about the events than the first whistle-blower, whose complaint that Mr. Trump was using his power to get Ukraine to investigate his political rivals touched off an impeachment inquiry.

Top notch writing there. “This one is even more explosive than the last!”  
 

It’s starting to sound like parody. 

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[triplehorn 2,664]

Trump lies until the truth gets out, and it's no different in this case.  The WB report cited Trump pressuring Zelensky "about eight times" in that fateful conversation.  Schiff also made a reference to seven times, if memory serves.  That kind of specificity seems to suggest someone has a full unedited readout.  Having the full readout is not a requirement and doesn't change the lawbreaking in plain sight, but I think it's a dumb mistake for Trump to go all in acting like the transcript with more than half the interaction spliced out is going to hold.

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29 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

 Excellent read that puts the current facts in the context of their larger narrative. If you don’t spend all day on Fox News and Breitbart you (and I mean me) might not know just how important the Biden/Ukraine story has been to the right and trump specifically. 

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May be time for Democrats to ask communist countries such as China to go after Republican political candidates.

Seems it's legal now?

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1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

Trump lies until the truth gets out, and it's no different in this case.  The WB report cited Trump pressuring Zelensky "about eight times" in that fateful conversation.  Schiff also made a reference to seven times, if memory serves.  That kind of specificity seems to suggest someone has a full unedited readout.  Having the full readout is not a requirement and doesn't change the lawbreaking in plain sight, but I think it's a dumb mistake for Trump to go all in acting like the transcript with more than half the interaction spliced out is going to hold.

the only thing that must remain consistent to his followers to keep their worldview intact is that the democrats are bad.  that's why he can say "the whole thing is a lie" and "it wasn't even wrong" and "the democrats do the same thing" and none if it is problematic for dipshits like notre dame joe.

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1 hour ago, Celery Man said:

the only thing that must remain consistent to his followers to keep their worldview intact is that the democrats are bad.  that's why he can say "the whole thing is a lie" and "it wasn't even wrong" and "the democrats do the same thing" and none if it is problematic for dipshits like notre dame joe.

Pretty much this.  They lack the critical thinking skills to comprehend the world so they willingly take whatever they are given that makes them feel good about themselves.  

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3 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Pretty much this.  They lack the critical thinking skills to comprehend the world so they willingly take whatever they are given that makes them feel good about themselves.  

One point of contention. They aren’t capable of feeling good about themselves. At their core, they are self-loathing people that use politics to project their hatred into others. The media, Mexicans, “socialists”, anything and anyone they can point to and say “they’re the problem” so they can suppress their own lack of self-worth.

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8 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

One point of contention. They aren’t capable of feeling good about themselves. At their core, they are self-loathing people that use politics to project their hatred into others. The media, Mexicans, “socialists”, anything and anyone they can point to and say “they’re the problem” so they can suppress their own lack of self-worth.

this is why they will happily eat leaves out of their maga hat as long as the brown people don't have leaves

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12 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

One point of contention. They aren’t capable of feeling good about themselves. At their core, they are self-loathing people that use politics to project their hatred into others. The media, Mexicans, “socialists”, anything and anyone they can point to and say “they’re the problem” so they can suppress their own lack of self-worth.

spot on.  hatred of others is absolutely at the center of the Republican ethos 

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32 minutes ago, Jack Straw said:

spot on.  hatred of others is absolutely at the center of the Republican ethos 

but i think it's worth making a distinction here...hatred is a really strong word, and for most sane people, it's earned. We all hate cancer for obvious reasons. But for trumpkins, the need to justify their hatred is completely unnecessary. Trump could wake up tomorrow and start railing on the next shiny object worthy of his scorn, and they would immediately hate it. Any facts, truth, justification...none of it matters. What matters is that they have another opportunity to point their fingers in rage and ignore (or at least suppress) their own feelings of self-hate.

i'm guessing i'll get banned for this, but it's worth pointing out the behavior of 2 of the strongest trump supporters on this board. icono and swam4's actions in their pasts are extreme manifestations of self-loathing. Trump gives them an escape from those feelings. Everyday he gives them a chance to hate something else other than themselves. What those things are don't matter at all.

[triplehorn 2,664]

So this wealthy hotelier has no leg to stand on in foreign diplomacy and gets used by Trump to perpetrate this criminal conspiracy.  

He's going straight to testify to Congress next week.  No stonewalling, no delay, no wagon circling. 

When you look at the Provenance hotel chain he owns (designing or remodeling each hotel around themes that contain elements that relate to a location’s history, art, culture), the vast majority of patrons are the OPPOSITE of gun rack reds, evangelicals, and right wing conservatives in general.  It would be a shame for Hotel deLuxe, Hotel Lucia, Sentinel, Dossier, and Heathman Hotels in my locale to be subjected to avoidance.  I strongly suspect he has already measured life after his fling with the Trump crime syndicate.

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41 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i'm guessing i'll get banned for this, but it's worth pointing out the behavior of 2 of the strongest trump supporters on this board. icono and swam4's actions in their pasts are extreme manifestations of self-loathing. Trump gives them an escape from those feelings. Everyday he gives them a chance to hate something else other than themselves. What those things are don't matter at all.

Why would you get banned for saying that?  It's the truth.

[Red Five 40,571]

Now, I know Icono used to chug cock for meth. What did Swam do? 

[Goredho 17,256]

Chugged cock for the sheer joy of it.

Edited October 5, 2019 by Goredho

[Judge Roybeanbag 11,770]

24 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Chugged cock for the sheer joy of it.

And seamen.   When the ships internet wasn’t working. 

[atomheartbevo 89,294]

7 hours ago, Goredho said:

Chugged cock for the sheer joy of it.

“WASHINGTON, DC — Following a Pentagon study into homosexual acts committed by sexually-deprived soldiers on deployment, the Navy is quietly rescinding a century-old order commonly paraphrased as “It’s not gay if it’s underway,” sources confirmed today.

The results of the study were met with outrage, particularly from the Chief’s Mess, which prides itself as a bastion of naval heritage.

“Those daggone suits in Washington just had to go and royally screw a fine Navy tradition,” said Chief John Phillips. “I bet not one of them could even tell you where the term ‘salty’ originated.”

Despite the controversy among sailors hoping to maintain tradition, Pentagon researchers have pushed back.

“Our research yielded astonishing results,” said Dr. Justin Butts. “Namely, that a homosexual act consummated in a fan room is exactly the same as one performed ashore in the continental United States.”

Studies conducted on forward-deployed surface vessels revealed a significant spike in sodomy on “beer days,” which are awarded to crews that have gone in excess of 45 days without a port of call. Linguists now speculate that the origin of the pejorative “two-beer queer” can be traced back to beer days and resultant homosexual activity.”

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Ain’t no clitoral if you ain’t littoral 

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On 10/3/2019 at 10:32 PM, David Dennison said:

Some in the press are already trying to push the story that Democrats aren't so sure they want to go through with this.

They have to impeach at this point, right?

Right???

Come back in a year

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[Chooky 13,288]

16 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

If this guy or gal does intend to come forward, a sound preliminary strategy for Trump would be to discredit every American as a corrupt liar and a loser so he can say that he told you long ago that this person was a "Liddle." 

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3 minutes ago, Chooky said:

If this guy or gal does intend to come forward, a sound preliminary strategy for Trump would be to discredit every American as a corrupt liar and a loser so he can say that he told you long ago that this person was a "Liddle." 

Highly conflicted stone cold losers. 

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