Going for 2, up 11.

[Knoxtnhorn 5,940]

First off.  This isn't a complaint.  I'm genuinely curious.

Kick the PAT, and it's a 2 TD lead.

You miss it, they can score a TD, 2-pt, and field goal.  

You make it, and it's still a 2 TD lead.

I know the coaches have the chart.  Can someone set me straight?

[Captainant 27,488]

MENSA, learn it. Love it. Meme it. 

[Ghost of Shag 2,584]

I was thinking the same thing. 

[Spankytoes 1,736]

A TD and 2 FGs only takes it?

[perfectchaos007 6,596]

TBH I don't think an 11, 12, or 13 point lead makes much of a difference late in a game. It's all pretty much the same

 

The difference between 10 and 11 is large, and the difference between 13 and 14 is large

Edited September 22, 2019 by perfectchaos007

[4th&Five 41,461]

Glad it wasn’t just me. 

[Reynolds Woodcock 4,675]

My guess is he’s thinking about touchdown and two field goals to tie vs win. But I was confused also

[Chips O'Toole 1,320]

Binderball doesn't always make sense.

[CurlyDumps 4,441]

The less I think about it, the more it makes sense 

[Jive Turkey 12,570]

Fowler made it sound like it was a given.  Up 11, go for two.  I was trying to figure out why that is smart.

[CurlyDumps 4,441]

Think I figured it out.  Because losing 37-36 is just that much more painful. 

[NorthLoop 14,113]

It would only make sense if we went for 2 again on the next TD

[Knoxtnhorn 5,940]

Without thinking too much about it at this point, it kind of would have worked out well if we'd been able to kick a FG on the last couple of drives.

[Zavala 1,384]

If you make it MENSA

if you don't, FIRED!

[TexasMan 10,786]

Reminded me of when Mack did it @ UCF in 2007.

[Handcruser 2,805]

If they score 2 touchdowns we’d only need a field goal to tie

That’s the thinking.


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[staboner 4,959]

haha another STs blunder

eh wrong thread whatever

mensa

Edited September 22, 2019 by staboner

[Bruh Man 3,160]

kill me.

[CurlyDumps 4,441]

18 minutes ago, Handcruser said:

If they score 2 touchdowns we’d only need a field goal to tie

That’s the thinking.


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But if you kick the xp you’re up 12, and a FG would win if they score 2 td’s right?

[deech 2,251]

1 hour ago, Knoxtnhorn said:

First off.  This isn't a complaint.  I'm genuinely curious.

Kick the PAT, and it's a 2 TD lead.

You miss it, they can score a TD, 2-pt, and field goal.  

You make it, and it's still a 2 TD lead.

I know the coaches have the chart.  Can someone set me straight?

I said the exact same thing.  I believe the argument that binder has would be:

11 Min + left = 3 possessions plus in Big XII

Percent chance of getting TD + two point + fg in those three possessions plus < TD + FG + FG

[Vertigo 20,272]

I didn’t like the call, but the one that was far worse was that shittastic 4th and 3 call where Sam got stuffed. Herman seems to have two or three situations each game where he may cost us some wins in tight games with some of his game management.He did cost us the first Maryland game with shit like that.

Edited September 22, 2019 by Vertigo

[NowThis 931]

up 11

go for 1 and make it - a 7, 3, 3 beats you

go for 2 and miss it - a 7, 3, 3 beats you

so there is no risk for going for 2 and missing it compared to going for a regular 1 point xp.

go for 2 and make it -- a 7, 3 and 3 ties you. This is good for you. Thus, go for 2 is the right choice.

[SubliminalHorn 6,705]

1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

Glad it wasn’t just me. 

Was trying to explain the rationale to the husband and I ended up basically at, well I don’t think it makes much of a difference 🤷🏽‍♂️

[goatsaag 279]

9 minutes ago, NowThis said:

up 11

go for 1 and make it - a 7, 3, 3 beats you

go for 2 and miss it - a 7, 3, 3 beats you

so there is no risk for going for 2 and missing it compared to going for a regular 1 point xp.

go for 2 and make it -- a 7, 3 and 3 ties you. This is good for you. Thus, go for 2 is the right choice.

lol, no.

An 11 point lead means an 8 point possession and a 3 point possession ties the game. A lead of 12 means that two touchdowns are required to lose the lead. A 13 point lead is slightly better than a 12 point lead. A 12 point lead is significantly better than an 11 point lead.

We very obviously should have kicked the extra point and not doing so was the wrong decision.

[VaLonghorn99 340]

I don't see why not. Take a bigger lead, it's psychological. I think TH leans on the conservative side so it was great to see him go for it. Also it's practice for when you really do need it. My 2c

[WhatTheBuck 28,719]

In each case you're considering a scenario where the opponent scores a TD and XP for 7 points. If you started up 11 or 12, it's no difference. A TD beats you. If you start up 13, a TD only ties and they still have to kick the XP to win. It might be a long shot but you have to consider every possible outcome. What good is it to be up 12 instead of 11? Surely it's obvious why being up 13 is better even if your only conception of how to score 6 points is two FGs. 

[Beau Vine 54,015]

There does not seem to be a single football coach in the country who understands probability or basic game theory.  I saw two coaches today score late in the game to get within 9 and both of them kicked the XP instead of going for 2.  That one is a no-brainer if you actually analyze it.  

[Hank Kingsley 20,727]

Should have kicked the extra point, no question. Glad it worked out though. 

 

[DaysOff 7,855]

For some reason Gundy stepped outside himself and didn't go for 2 to tie it up in the first a couple of times. Seems like an un Gundy move, but don't chase points early.

[dcar00 14,036]

1 hour ago, NowThis said:

up 11

go for 1 and make it - a 7, 3, 3 beats you

go for 2 and miss it - a 7, 3, 3 beats you

so there is no risk for going for 2 and missing it compared to going for a regular 1 point xp.

go for 2 and make it -- a 7, 3 and 3 ties you. This is good for you. Thus, go for 2 is the right choice.

my opinion is that we were stopping OSU on the reg in the second half.  make them score 2 TD's to beat you and don't let them tie you with only one TD and 2 point.

If it was really a shootout I would have been more agreeable to making it 13.

[TexArcher 37,543]

1 hour ago, goatsaag said:

lol, no.

An 11 point lead means an 8 point possession and a 3 point possession ties the game. A lead of 12 means that two touchdowns are required to lose the lead. A 13 point lead is slightly better than a 12 point lead. A 12 point lead is significantly better than an 11 point lead.

We very obviously should have kicked the extra point and not doing so was the wrong decision.

Bingo

[Firemans4Horn 17,854]

13 minutes left,

take the points every time. Going for two made zero sense. 

[dcar00 14,036]

46 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

There does not seem to be a single football coach in the country who understands probability or basic game theory.  I saw two coaches today score late in the game to get within 9 and both of them kicked the XP instead of going for 2.  That one is a no-brainer if you actually analyze it.  

They kicked to make it 9 or they kicked to make it 8?  If 8, there is the mental aspect of the team knowing they can tie the game with one score, especially if it is late.

[atomheartbevo 89,468]

I think we all know the true answer.  

[po elvis 2,070]

Herman did everything wrong tonite. If we weren't 30 points better of a team than OSU then we would have been coached into a loss. He needs to stop this bullshit of trying to run out the clock with 7 minutes left. What we need is to move the ball and get first downs and points. He could end the game with 6 minutes left, but chooses to let the other team come back. Same thing over and over.

[notre dame joe 173]

We dropped one to NW on the exact same mistake.

[Burt 4,062]

4 hours ago, VaLonghorn99 said:

I don't see why not. Take a bigger lead, it's psychological. I think TH leans on the conservative side so it was great to see him go for it. Also it's practice for when you really do need it. My 2c

Who "practices" in the 4th quarter of a tight game for a situation that may occur later in the season?

[randygilman 643]

Making it neutralized the issue... but just abrely. In the end, it just ended up being more points.

[Hook1997 5,291]

I like up 13 vs 12 with that much time left, with 12 up a Td and two field goals wins..  

[TwiceHorn 31,316]

6 hours ago, po elvis said:

Herman did everything wrong tonite. If we weren't 30 points better of a team than OSU then we would have been coached into a loss. He needs to stop this bullshit of trying to run out the clock with 7 minutes left. What we need is to move the ball and get first downs and points. He could end the game with 6 minutes left, but chooses to let the other team come back. Same thing over and over.

It's quite a paradox.  He goes turtle early in a way that makes Mack proud.

Yet, given a dicey play at a fairly critical juncture (extending the lead, keeping the ball) and he goes completely bonkers, drunken gambler, hitting-on-17 shit.

[smwhorn 481]

5 hours ago, Hook1997 said:

I like up 13 vs 12 with that much time left, with 12 up a Td and two field goals wins..  

The risk isn't worth the difference.  If we fail to convert, we're only up 11.  If we kick the extra point and are up 12, they have to score two TDs to beat us.  No brainer.  Kick it and go up 12.

[VaLonghorn99 340]

Better go for 2 than losing 4th down goal line attempts. I don't see Horns go for two much and get them so good in my books.

[Jersey Man10 3,509]

We need to go for 2 every time we score fuck it.

[jdhorn92 1,538]

14 hours ago, Vertigo said:

I didn’t like the call, but the one that was far worse was that shittastic 4th and 3 call where Sam got stuffed. Herman seems to have two or three situations each game where he may cost us some wins in tight games with some of his game management.He did cost us the first Maryland game with shit like that.

Yeah, he needs to start taking points , especially vs the upper echelon teams.  Its one thing to go go for broke vs LaTech and Rice, but Vs LSU and OSU, lets get some separation, rest the D and not risk running the franchise in those situations.  It was a surprise last year vs OU and UGA, not this year.

[Bill Lumbergh 7,171]

Herman did everything wrong tonite. If we weren't 30 points better of a team than OSU then we would have been coached into a loss. He needs to stop this bullshit of trying to run out the clock with 7 minutes left. What we need is to move the ball and get first downs and points. He could end the game with 6 minutes left, but chooses to let the other team come back. Same thing over and over.

I still think this is part of the big 12 that he hasn't internalized yet, which is kind of amazing after ou, osu, and wvu last year. Your lead is not safe. Period.

These teams will feed off of the challenge that you're going to sit back and hope the clock wins it. You've been beating them all night, just keep playing and you'll win. Going conservative plays right into their hands.

[Post Oak 20,188]

I agree with Nahlin on this as well.  

Herman has worked hard to develop a tough and physical mindset but then doesn't deploy that mindset when it's needed the most. 

 

 

[stork642 4,498]

12 hours ago, po elvis said:

Herman did everything wrong tonite. If we weren't 30 points better of a team than OSU then we would have been coached into a loss. He needs to stop this bullshit of trying to run out the clock with 7 minutes left. What we need is to move the ball and get first downs and points. He could end the game with 6 minutes left, but chooses to let the other team come back. Same thing over and over.

He obviously did something right because Texas got the W.  If you think we won last night inspite of Herman you’re not very smart.  Was it his best game?  No, but most of the mistakes made last night were by players making mistakes.  The team as a whole, except for the defense, had their C game and still won the game.  

[horngasm19 104]

we are stuck with mensa. he will win just enough to be around forever, but we aren't winning the conference with this retard and his dumb fuck coordinators.

[4th&Five 41,461]

19 minutes ago, Post Oak said:

I agree with Nahlin on this as well.  

Herman has worked hard to develop a tough and physical mindset but then doesn't deploy that mindset when it's needed the most. 

 

 

Yep. We had 5 scoreless drives that crossed midfield before the final drive. We didn’t even attempt a fg. If we get points on half of those the game isn’t close. Tom overthinks way too much. 

[Knoxtnhorn 5,940]

Pretty funny.  When I started the thread, I had been drinking.  I don't drink that often.  I distinctly recall thinking that I was going to get laughed at for missing something obvious.  I guess not.