U.S. citizens on U.S. government kill list: Dafuq?

[F250 28659]

What kind of fuckery is this?

"For the first time ever, a United States federal court ruled that the government may kill one of its citizens without providing him the information necessary to prove that he is being wrongly targeted and does not deserve to die,” attorney Tara J. Plochocki said.

“The U.S. Government could have provided this information but chose not to and the Court found that the Government’s assertion of national security trumps his right not to be killed.”

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-invokes-state-secrets-privilege-to-block-american-journalists-challenge-to-alleged-spot-on-drone-kill-list/2019/09/24/15580b88-dee9-11e9-b199-f638bf2c340f_story.html

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4965]

Thanks a lot, Obama! (Also, I never would have imagined missing you three years ago)

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

Fascism

[RDCanecutter 26239]

Was the US citizen wearing a Canadian flag on his backpack?

[Brisketexan 104465]

To go Anastasis-ish here....this has been an issue for some time.  And it predates DOTUS.  And it's a big fucking problem.

[Anastasis 23375]

WTF was this judge thinking?

[TheFlyingBoat 906]

The response to 9/11 shows how easily even the most well crafted systems can be broken from within. We have traded far too much liberty for security, and in many cases false senses of security in the past 18 years. This goes for multiple presidents and multiple Congresses and a Supreme Court that has failed to check the two other branches in national security law.

[wildcat09 29187]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

To go Anastasis-ish here....this has been an issue for some time.  And it predates DOTUS.  And it's a big fucking problem.

Yup, and this can be blamed almost entirely on the courts.  I think it was the Bush administration that began asserting state secrets not just as an evidentiary privilege but as a basis to challenge justiciability, but it's not like the courts had to agree.

[Ollie Slatt 289]

The question of the govt acting against its citizens without trial was a prevalent issue in the Bush years.  SCOTUS looked at multiple cases (Hamdi/Padilla) where the administration locked up citizens without trial because they were deemed "enemy combatants."   But I didn't realize this sort of thing was still going on . . . and it certainly seems like an amazingly clear due process issue to put a citizen on a kill list (if that is what is really happening here). 

[Anastasis 23375]

Same judge that ruled in this case is the Presiding Judge on the FISC. 

[jimmyjazz 45513]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness*.

* well if you're happy there's not much we can do about it.

 

[ConferenceRoom 6123]

The response to 9/11 shows how easily even the most well crafted systems can be broken from within. We have traded far too much liberty for security, and in many cases false senses of security in the past 18 years. This goes for multiple presidents and multiple Congresses and a Supreme Court that has failed to check the two other branches in national security law.

I’m glad Bin Ladin was shot in the face before he could have the satisfaction of seeing what’s going on inside the US currently. His ultimate goal feels frighteningly closer than I ever would have imagined in the years following 9/11 and the war in Afghanistan.

[JBJ 3647]

This is like a John Grisham novel.

Months later he returns to Syria and dies in an airstrike. The reader is still left wondering whether he was an actual target, and if so, was he actually selling information to the Syrian rebels.

 

Obigatory: if this dude is on the kill list, situation is fucked.

Edited September 25, 2019 by JBJ