Surly AL Cy Young Award

[Beau Vine 55027]

Vote.

[clapclapclap 9000]

Cole, based on better numbers.  

Plus I'd rather see a first time winner.  I'm sure it would mean a hell of a lot to JV, especially being so close in prior years, but he's already a slam dunk HOFer. 

[Mudcat35 196]

Cole and Verlander are both lights out right now, but I have to go with Cole.  Slightly better numbers.

 

[formermav43 4606]

Saying Cole has better numbers is a bit simplistic. Which numbers?

Cole has a slightly lower ERA, more Ks, better FIP and SIERRA, and leads in fWAR.

Verlander has fewer walks, a lower WHIP, and leads in bWAR and WARP.

The numbers are all about which metrics you value and most of them are so close that you’re splitting hairs.

Edited October 1, 2019 by formermav43

[Fozzz 152]

2 hours ago, formermav43 said:

Saying Cole has better numbers is a bit simplistic. Which numbers?

Cole has a slightly lower ERA, more Ks, better FIP and SIERRA, and leads in fWAR.

Verlander has fewer walks, a lower WHIP, and leads in bWAR and WARP.

The numbers are all about which metrics you value and most of them are so close that you’re splitting hairs.

Verlander and Cole both have 7.9 WARP, and Cole has a lower DRA than Verlander. 

[formermav43 4606]

1 minute ago, Fozzz said:

Verlander and Cole both have 7.9 WARP, and Cole has a lower DRA than Verlander. 

Verlander’s is slightly better, actually: 7.89 to 7.85.

Not that that (or throwing in one more metric) changes my point.

[Fozzz 152]

9 minutes ago, formermav43 said:

Verlander’s is slightly better, actually: 7.89 to 7.85.

Not that that (or throwing in one more metric) changes my point.

On a per rate basis, Cole outclasses Verlander in pretty much all of the metrics (FIP, xFIP, SIERA, DRA, xwOBA), with the gap between the two varying depending upon how the metric treats batted balls.  What is Verlander's best argument - that he pitched 11 more innings and thus compares slightly better with Cole in some cumulative stats?  Cole has clearly been the better pitcher between the two this season.  

[formermav43 4606]

It all turns on “clearly.” 

[Beau Vine 55027]

1 hour ago, formermav43 said:

Verlander’s is slightly better, actually: 7.89 to 7.85.

Not that that (or throwing in one more metric) changes my point.

WAR has so much measurement error that it really shouldn't show any decimals at all, and quoting 2-decimal WAR totals should definitely be a federal offense.  

[formermav43 4606]

Just now, Beau Vine said:

WAR has so much measurement error that it really shouldn't show any decimals at all, and quoting 2-decimal WAR totals should definitely be a federal offense.  

That was kinda my point. “Most of them are so close that you’re splitting hairs.”

[Wishbone 4848]

Too bad they both can’t get it. Very good that the Astros have this debate!

[Guadaloopy 11077]

I still think that the no-hitter kicker and a recent second place finish sways the voters to JV.  

[TexArcher 38448]

The numbers are basically too close to call, as evidenced by the debate above.  

Verlander's no-hitter was historic, not just because they all are, but because of the rare company his third no-hitter put him among.  That swings the CY his way, too.

And I hope Gerrit feels slighted like VY did after missing the Heisman and goes apeshit on everybody in the playoffs.

 

[spystud13 2371]

Well, the winner is announced in mid-November... 

[Iceman 2820]

JV has the hot wife.  Cole just owns some bitch named Trevor.  

[Seasick Sailor 3747]

35 minutes ago, Iceman said:

JV has the hot wife

Cole isn't doing too bad for himself either:

[Johnny Sack 8397]

Cole’s wife is way hotter