The Rudy Thread

[Gil Bang 25,865]

23 hours ago, TwiceHorn said:

Just a data point on the Barr/Trump DOJ denying a Giuliani subpoena/search warrant.

The DOJ is generally hesitant to issue warrants and subpoenas to lawyers.  It generally requires "probable cause plus."  There are two reasons for that.  One is that a search warrant is bound to bring attorney client privileged material into the DOJ, recall the snit over such material in the Cohen case.  Although it didn't amount to anything in the Cohen case because he was a janitor or bag man more than a lawyer, it's a real issue a great deal of the time.  It's an administrative hassle and it could queer an ongoing investigation in another matter if potentially privileged material concerning another defendant comes into their hands.

The second is that the DOJ never wants to be perceived as going after a lawyer with politically unpopular clients.  Or as going through a lawyer to get to a client.

Obviously, all of this yields in the face of persuasive evidence of wrongdoing by the attorney in question.  But these are real, pre-Trump, pre-Barr policies that they will hide behind as a reason for blocking a Giuliani warrant or subpoena.  And because who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men, it will be difficult to prove otherwise.

I remember reading once that a court, in a similar situation, appointed another lawyer to review everything that was found during a search to determine if it was privileged.   

Is that happening here?  For digital files and that sort of thing?

[JimmyJames 12,271]

27 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can’t really explain why I love that brief scene so much but I do. 

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

This was interesting.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/rudy-giuliani-fbi-warning-russia/2021/04/29/5db90f96-a84e-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html

Both Giuliani and Ron Johnson warned by FBI counterintel that they were being used by Russian intel as disinfo conduits on Biden and other issues.

[wildcat09 29,187]

4 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

This was interesting.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/rudy-giuliani-fbi-warning-russia/2021/04/29/5db90f96-a84e-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html

Both Giuliani and Ron Johnson warned by FBI counterintel that they were being used by Russian intel as disinfo conduits on Biden and other issues.

Imagine being the FBI agent that has to warn these morons and hold in the "you absolute fucking dipshits" when they respond angrily about the deep state or whatever. 

[Beau Vine 53,964]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

This was interesting.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/rudy-giuliani-fbi-warning-russia/2021/04/29/5db90f96-a84e-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html

Both Giuliani and Ron Johnson warned by FBI counterintel that they were being used by Russian intel as disinfo conduits on Biden and other issues.

Ron Johnson's response:

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2 hours ago, JimmyJames said:

I can’t really explain why I love that brief scene so much but I do. 

you and me both brother. so well done, and damn if i don't laugh every time. 

 

[Beau Vine 53,964]

 

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

Deep state!  I am gonna be so drunk.

[DDD Dad 14,167]

Imagine being the FBI agent that has to warn these morons and hold in the "you absolute fucking dipshits" when they respond angrily about the deep state or whatever. 

“It’s a risk we were willing to take. “

[Bullneck 18,976]

8 hours ago, Tuco said:

I could believe that the FBI would refuse Hunter's hard drive. (That's what she said...) If it's not relevant to a criminal investigation and Rudy is portraying it as Hunter's property, I don't believe they would have the right to actually do anything with it. 

If Rudy had Hunter's hard drive, why wouldn't he run to the FBI since it has so much incriminating into on it?  Or does he not trust the Deep State? How 'bout Fox News, then?  Why keep it secret when it can Bring Down Hunter Biden?Q?!?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,824]

6 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

If Rudy had Hunter's hard drive, why wouldn't he run to the FBI since it has so much incriminating into on it?  Or does he not trust the Deep State? How 'bout Fox News, then?  Why keep it secret when it can Bring Down Hunter Biden?Q?!?

because he doesn't. I know you're being facetious, but even when the Feds told him it was a russian disinfo, he doubled down. he's fucking unwell and is flaming out hard. oh well, he made his bed and then Donald Trump had some russian hookers come pee in it

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

I guess possession of stolen property isn’t a thing anymore.

[Neonmoon 38,127]

In the no shit file 

 

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,824]

23 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

In the no shit file 

 

gonna have to try to keep my blood pressure in check these next few years as its revealed that all the things that we thought were going on in the former guy's admin were actually, indeed going on - and the R's let it happen. they encouraged it

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12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Definitely.  He is not going to prison.  

He’s probably going to suicide himself within the month.

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1 hour ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

gonna have to try to keep my blood pressure in check these next few years as its revealed that all the things that we thought were going on in the former guy's admin were actually, indeed going on - and the R's let it happen. they encouraged it

I mean, it’s been obvious the entire time. These are not smart criminals. They just knew they could get away with it by doing it out in the open. Everything that it looked like was exactly what it was. 

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4 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

because he doesn't. I know you're being facetious, but even when the Feds told him it was a russian disinfo, he doubled down. he's fucking unwell and is flaming out hard. oh well, he made his bed and then Donald Trump had some russian hookers come pee in it

People like Rudy act like hard drives are some kind of magical devices whose files can't be manipulated.

The reality is that you can easily make a hard drive look like it was pulled from somebody else's laptop.

And it's easier these days than it used to be - a lot of people do all of their stuff (email, etc.) through the web, so you aren't even having to fake a lot of app data.

Shit, if I have a laptop hard drive that's just had the basics installed (Mac or Windows), I could hit up the internet, grab a bunch of Biden family photos, create some text files or PDFs that look like they were saves of emails, generate a browsing history that would resemble somebody like Hunter's (companies he's worked at, various interests that he has, that I could pull from social media, etc. and drop all of the text files, photos, etc. into the proper spots.  

Hell, I could save an HTML copy of somebody's gmail or yahoo or whatever inbox from their web browser, go in and edit the HTML to make it look like Hunter was getting all kinds of emails from hookers, drug dealers, Russians, you name it, and screenshot that, and save it to the desktop or screenshots folder or whatever.

I could then sit down with Rudy, and say "okay, let's check out what he has in his documents, and his photos.  Oh wow, look at that, that's a text file that he must have saved from an email with some Ukrainian mobsters.  And here's some photos of somebody doing cocaine off of a hooker's ass.  You can't tell if it's Hunter since it's from behind and kind of dark, but you can't tell that it's not Hunter.  And here's some Biden family photos."

It would absolutely not be hard to fool somebody like Rudy.

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3 hours ago, Neonmoon said:

In the no shit file 

 

 

all involved in this should hang, fucking today 

[TexasEd 8,062]

If Rudy was as sharp as he thought he is he would label the most incriminating evidence against himself "Hunter's Laptop".  But we know he isn't.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,824]

 

[Bullneck 18,976]

On 4/30/2021 at 11:25 PM, Fudge Nuggets said:

He’s probably going to suicide himself within the month.

Yeah.  "Suicide."  I get it.  

Spoiler

 

[atomheartbevo 89,362]

They really don’t have shit on Joe Biden if they were reduced to begging the Ukrainians to, as Donnie put it, DO SOMETHING!

[Guest Lobo]

Yeah, if the Biden corruption evidence was so readily available, as Trump describes...wouldn't it be easier just to produce it through a surrogate than deal with Ukraine?  I mean, I know we joke about Trump being arrogant and stupid, but he's also a cut-corners guy.  If you give him two options:

"Mr. President, we can leak the Biden damaging intel through Fox News, Roger Stone, Rush Limbaugh, or any number of Senators.  Or we can go through this convoluted path with foreign heads of state that will raise all kinds of red flags for absolutely no reason other than to expose you to actual removal from office and we can see no reason to do it even for an attention grab.  People close to you would be incriminated and possibly be used as evidence against you after you leave office.  So we have about 100 different ways we can get this Biden intel to allies of ours to legitimately release it and give us cover."  He's gonna take the easier one.  Period.  Full Stop.  Everybody on both sides is overthinking this way too much.  

The best proof you need that Trump didn't know what was going on re: Biden is simply this.  Look at the date on the first time he came up with a nickname for Hunter Biden.  He doesn't invent nicknames until he feels threatened.  

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9 hours ago, Bullneck said:

Yeah.  "Suicide."  I get it.  

  Reveal hidden contents

 

“[s]Brooks[/s] Jeffry was here “

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3 hours ago, Lobo said:

Yeah, if the Biden corruption evidence was so readily available, as Trump describes

 

piles and piles of evidence !!!!!

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[Guest Lobo]

Is that Furio over his right shoulder? 

Don't you have to at least give $1 to your attorney in order them to be able to keep your information confidential?  Since Trump never paid his legal bills to Rudy, can't Rudy just testify against Trump and keep a clean license and conscience?  

[Tuco 5,076]

On 5/2/2021 at 12:17 AM, atomheartbevo said:

They really don’t have shit on Joe Biden if they were reduced to begging the Ukrainians to, as Donnie put it, DO SOMETHING!

And the FBI never generated anything actionable when they announced they were reopening the investigation on Hillary's emails. It was the investigation, not the evidence, that mattered. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Tuco

[Tuco 5,076]

I had not noticed this: 

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Wednesday's search marked a significant step in the investigators' probe. A 2019 grand jury subpoena for Giuliani's financial records seen by Reuters showed that agents were examining possible money laundering, wire fraud, campaign finance violations, making false statements, obstruction of justice, and violations of the federal Foreign Agents Registration Act.

 

FARA violation? yep, easy one there

money laundering / wire fraud? makes sense, either through Fraud Inc or through Toensing

making false statements / obstruction of justice? makes sense, the dude can't say hello without lying

campaign finance violations? Um, that's not just Rudy anymore.  It's possible it's carry over from Fraud Inc, but that was pretty small amounts and I thought prior to Rudy being hired by them.  It's also possible it is an interpretation of him soliciting "a thing of value" for Trump's campaign in the form of an investigation from the Ukrainians.  It's possible it's something more.  

 

[TwiceHorn 31,184]

On 5/1/2021 at 11:42 PM, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

 

"Been kept secret for years" is a truly odd headline for something that's a little over 18 months old.

[Guest Lobo]

Whatever, Gaetz.  Oh sorry, thought you said "months."

[WhatTheBuck 28,700]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

"Been kept secret for years" is a truly odd headline for something that's a little over 18 months old.

Maybe they’re talking about dog years.

[AnTiM 1,656]

In case no one else has said it lately, Gooliani is nuttier than squirrel shit.

[RomaVicta 29,756]

The story of Rudy will make for some great entertainment one day. Hubris.

Brave federal prosecutor who took on the mob. Mayor of New York who won over the whole country and likely much of the world when the towers crashed down.

I'm bullet proof. No one would ever believe that I'm a crook and no one dare to investigate an international hero. Bring your grift, your dirty money, your bribes, anything you want hidden under Superman's cape to me!

His obvious clumsy lies aren't likely from stupidity. They're likely the product of arrogant, unjustified confidence that your voice actually determines truth.

It was the ambassador who was a crook. I got four witnesses. Dominion stole the election, I got four witnesses and affidavits from hundreds more. I'm clean; the deep state is out to get me.

The gall. The fucking gall. It'd be tragic if he'd actually thought he was doing things that were okay, but he knows what he is. A turd with arms and legs.

[Beau Vine 53,964]

 

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

Wow, Sleepy Joe has really pulled the wool over my eyes.

[Willfully Horn 7,913]

Rudy hates those fascist communists!

[WhatTheBuck 28,700]

The misuse of the terms “fascism” and “communism” by those on the right is so irresponsible and infuriating. I figure most of the time they know exactly what they’re doing, that they’re intentionally misleading the hoi polloi. But I sometimes wonder if they really don’t know the difference themselves. 

[Born to Run 6,519]

It's by design to rile up the hoi polloi. Now the idiots have taken over and own the movement so it's hard to tell the idiot masses from the idiots propelled up now leading the masses. See Boebert...

[WhatTheBuck 28,700]

29 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

It's by design to rile up the hoi polloi. Now the idiots have taken over and own the movement so it's hard to tell the idiot masses from the idiots propelled up now leading the masses. See Boebert...

This is weird. I’m sure I already replied to this post but it’s not showing up.

I would bet that Boebert doesn’t know the difference. She’s a moron. 

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4 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

I would bet that Boebert doesn’t know the difference. She’s a moron. 

I'm sure morons are highly offended to be lumped in with that batshit cray idiot.

[Longhorn_Fan68 33,824]

7 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

The misuse of the terms “fascism” and “communism” by those on the right is so irresponsible and infuriating. I figure most of the time they know exactly what they’re doing, that they’re intentionally misleading the hoi polloi. But I sometimes wonder if they really don’t know the difference themselves. 

I will bet everything I own (which isn't much) that they 100% don't know what they are talking about.

[RomaVicta 29,756]

10 hours ago, WhatTheBuck said:

This is weird. I’m sure I already replied to this post but it’s not showing up.

I would bet that Boebert doesn’t know the difference. She’s a moron. 

It's  whatever she thinks America* isn't. America* good. Everything else bad. Shoot it!

 

*White America, the good Anglo Saxon stuff which she also has no actual concept of.

[Francisco 2.0 32,290]

Good. Fucking. Luck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-warrant-trump.html

 

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As a federal investigation into Rudolph W. Giuliani escalates, his advisers have been pressing aides to former President Donald J. Trump to reach into a $250 million war chest to pay Mr. Giuliani for his efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election on Mr. Trump’s behalf.

The pressure from Mr. Giuliani’s camp has intensified since F.B.I. agents executed search warrants at Mr. Giuliani’s home and office last week, according to people familiar with the discussions, and comes as Mr. Giuliani has hired new lawyers and is facing his own protracted — and costly — legal battles.

 

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Federal prosecutors in Manhattan have been examining communications between Mr. Giuliani, Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyer, and Ukrainian officials as he tried to unearth damaging information about President Biden before the election. The prosecutors are investigating whether Mr. Giuliani lobbied the Trump administration on behalf of Ukrainian officials who were helping him, a potential violation of federal law.

Mr. Giuliani, who has not been charged, has denied any wrongdoing and denounced the searches as “corrupt.” The actions in Ukraine were part of Mr. Trump’s first impeachment trial.

 

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Separately, Mr. Giuliani is being sued for defamation by two voting machine companies, Dominion and Smartmatic, for his false claims that the companies were involved in a conspiracy to flip votes to Mr. Biden.

Mr. Giuliani led the effort to subvert the results of the 2020 race in a series of battleground states, but he was not paid for the work, according to people close to both Mr. Giuliani and Mr. Trump. His supporters now want the Trump campaign to tap into the $250 million it raised in the weeks after the election to pay Mr. Giuliani and absorb costs he has incurred in the defamation suits.

 

Spoiler

“I want to know what the GOP did with the quarter of $1 billion that they collected for the election legal fight,” Bernard Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. Mr. Giuliani appointed Mr. Kerik when he was mayor of New York.

Using expletives, Mr. Kerik added that “lawyers and law firms that didn’t do” much work were paid handsomely, while those who worked hard “got nothing.”

Mr. Kerik has made similar complaints to some of Mr. Trump’s advisers privately, according to people familiar with the conversations, arguing that Mr. Giuliani has incurred legal expenses in his efforts to help Mr. Trump and that Mr. Giuliani’s name was used to raise money during the election fight.

In a separate tweet, Mr. Kerik blamed the Republican National Committee chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel. R.N.C. officials said that the group did not make the same overt fund-raising appeals as the Trump campaign to challenge the election results.

A lawyer for Mr. Giuliani, Robert J. Costello, has had conversations with a lawyer for Mr. Trump about whether any of the material that was seized by the F.B.I. should be protected from scrutiny because of attorney-client privilege. Mr. Costello has also raised the question of paying Mr. Giuliani, according to two people briefed on those discussions.

Jason Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, declined to comment. Mr. Giuliani could not be reached for comment.

Mr. Giuliani had encouraged Mr. Trump to file challenges to the election, and the former president tasked Mr. Giuliani with leading the effort in November. But when Mr. Giuliani’s associate, Maria Ryan, sent an email to Trump campaign officials seeking $20,000 a day for his work, Mr. Trump balked, The New York Times has reported.

Mr. Trump later told his advisers he did not want Mr. Giuliani to receive any payment, according to people close to the former president with direct knowledge of the discussions. Before Mr. Trump left the White House in January, he agreed to reimburse Mr. Giuliani for more than $200,000 in expenses but not to pay a fee.

Some of Mr. Giuliani’s supporters have blamed Mr. Trump’s aides — and not the former president — for the standoff. However, people close to Mr. Trump said he has stridently refused to pay Mr. Giuliani.

Mr. Giuliani’s advisers were also disappointed that he did not receive a federal pardon from Mr. Trump, despite facing the long-running federal investigation into his Ukrainian dealings, a person close to Mr. Giuliani said. After months of speculation that Mr. Trump might issue Mr. Giuliani a pre-emptive pardon, Mr. Giuliani said on his radio show in January that he did not need a pardon, because “I don’t commit crimes.”

The efforts to overturn the election culminated in a rally of Mr. Trump’s supporters near the White House on Jan. 6. After marching to the Capitol, where the Electoral College results were being certified, hundreds of those supporters stormed the building, resulting in deaths and scores of injuries to Capitol Police officers and others. The events led to Mr. Trump’s second impeachment trial, and Mr. Trump told Mr. Giuliani in a private meeting that he could not represent him in the proceedings, people briefed on the meeting said.

Asked about Mr. Kerik’s tweet during an interview with ABC News, Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, said that his father’s fees should be covered by Trump’s campaign coffers.

“I do think he should be indemnified,” the younger Mr. Giuliani said. “I think all those Americans that donated after Nov. 3, they were donating for the legal defense fund. My father ran the legal team at that point. So I think it’s very easy to make a very strong case for the fact that he and all the lawyers that worked on there should be indemnified.”

He added, “I would find it highly irregular if the president’s lead counsel did not get indemnified.”

A person close to Mr. Giuliani, who was granted anonymity because this person was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, made a related argument, saying the Trump campaign should be careful to ensure money in the war chest was spent in connection with the election effort because it was solicited from the public for that purpose.

Although there are many differences between the two situations, for some of Mr. Trump’s advisers, the standoff with Mr. Giuliani has raised uncomfortable echoes of a similar dispute with another of Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyers, Michael D. Cohen.

In 2019, Mr. Cohen said the Trump Organization, Mr. Trump’s family business, breached an agreement with him to cover his legal costs. In a lawsuit, Mr. Cohen said the company initially paid some of the bills after the F.B.I. searched his apartment and office in April 2018. But, he said in the lawsuit, company officials stopped the payments when they discovered around June 2018 that he was preparing to cooperate with federal investigators.

Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty later that year to charges related to tax evasion, as well as a campaign finance charge related to his 2016 hush-money payment to a pornographic film star who had claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen ended up testifying about Mr. Trump in Congress, and provided assistance to the investigation led by the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into possible conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

After the F.B.I. searched Mr. Cohen’s home and office, he filed a civil action against the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, which Mr. Trump joined to prevent federal officials from gaining access to material that could be protected by attorney-client privilege between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen.

Mr. Giuliani’s lawyers are considering filing a similar action in his case, according to one of the people close to the former mayor. One lawyer advising Mr. Giuliani, Alan Dershowitz, told CNN that it would be appropriate for Mr. Trump to join such an effort. Mr. Dershowitz confirmed the comment to The Times.

Mr. Giuliani recently added four new lawyers to his team: Arthur L. Aidala, a former Brooklyn prosecutor and former Fox News commentator; Barry Kamins, a retired New York Supreme Court justice and law professor; the retired New York Appellate Division Justice John Leventhal; and Michael T. Jaccarino, a former Brooklyn prosecutor.

 

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2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Good. Fucking. Luck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-warrant-trump.html

 

 

 

 

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“I want to know what the GOP did with the quarter of $1 billion that they collected for the election legal fight,” Bernard Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. Mr. Giuliani appointed Mr. Kerik when he was mayor of New York.

Using expletives, Mr. Kerik added that “lawyers and law firms that didn’t do” much work were paid handsomely, while those who worked hard “got nothing.”

Mr. Kerik has made similar complaints to some of Mr. Trump’s advisers privately, according to people familiar with the conversations, arguing that Mr. Giuliani has incurred legal expenses in his efforts to help Mr. Trump and that Mr. Giuliani’s name was used to raise money during the election fight.

In a separate tweet, Mr. Kerik blamed the Republican National Committee chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel. R.N.C. officials said that the group did not make the same overt fund-raising appeals as the Trump campaign to challenge the election results.

A lawyer for Mr. Giuliani, Robert J. Costello, has had conversations with a lawyer for Mr. Trump about whether any of the material that was seized by the F.B.I. should be protected from scrutiny because of attorney-client privilege. Mr. Costello has also raised the question of paying Mr. Giuliani, according to two people briefed on those discussions.

Jason Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, declined to comment. Mr. Giuliani could not be reached for comment.

Mr. Giuliani had encouraged Mr. Trump to file challenges to the election, and the former president tasked Mr. Giuliani with leading the effort in November. But when Mr. Giuliani’s associate, Maria Ryan, sent an email to Trump campaign officials seeking $20,000 a day for his work, Mr. Trump balked, The New York Times has reported.

Mr. Trump later told his advisers he did not want Mr. Giuliani to receive any payment, according to people close to the former president with direct knowledge of the discussions. Before Mr. Trump left the White House in January, he agreed to reimburse Mr. Giuliani for more than $200,000 in expenses but not to pay a fee.

Some of Mr. Giuliani’s supporters have blamed Mr. Trump’s aides — and not the former president — for the standoff. However, people close to Mr. Trump said he has stridently refused to pay Mr. Giuliani.

Mr. Giuliani’s advisers were also disappointed that he did not receive a federal pardon from Mr. Trump, despite facing the long-running federal investigation into his Ukrainian dealings, a person close to Mr. Giuliani said. After months of speculation that Mr. Trump might issue Mr. Giuliani a pre-emptive pardon, Mr. Giuliani said on his radio show in January that he did not need a pardon, because “I don’t commit crimes.”

The efforts to overturn the election culminated in a rally of Mr. Trump’s supporters near the White House on Jan. 6. After marching to the Capitol, where the Electoral College results were being certified, hundreds of those supporters stormed the building, resulting in deaths and scores of injuries to Capitol Police officers and others. The events led to Mr. Trump’s second impeachment trial, and Mr. Trump told Mr. Giuliani in a private meeting that he could not represent him in the proceedings, people briefed on the meeting said.

Asked about Mr. Kerik’s tweet during an interview with ABC News, Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, said that his father’s fees should be covered by Trump’s campaign coffers.

“I do think he should be indemnified,” the younger Mr. Giuliani said. “I think all those Americans that donated after Nov. 3, they were donating for the legal defense fund. My father ran the legal team at that point. So I think it’s very easy to make a very strong case for the fact that he and all the lawyers that worked on there should be indemnified.”

He added, “I would find it highly irregular if the president’s lead counsel did not get indemnified.”

A person close to Mr. Giuliani, who was granted anonymity because this person was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, made a related argument, saying the Trump campaign should be careful to ensure money in the war chest was spent in connection with the election effort because it was solicited from the public for that purpose.

Although there are many differences between the two situations, for some of Mr. Trump’s advisers, the standoff with Mr. Giuliani has raised uncomfortable echoes of a similar dispute with another of Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyers, Michael D. Cohen.

In 2019, Mr. Cohen said the Trump Organization, Mr. Trump’s family business, breached an agreement with him to cover his legal costs. In a lawsuit, Mr. Cohen said the company initially paid some of the bills after the F.B.I. searched his apartment and office in April 2018. But, he said in the lawsuit, company officials stopped the payments when they discovered around June 2018 that he was preparing to cooperate with federal investigators.

Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty later that year to charges related to tax evasion, as well as a campaign finance charge related to his 2016 hush-money payment to a pornographic film star who had claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen ended up testifying about Mr. Trump in Congress, and provided assistance to the investigation led by the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into possible conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

After the F.B.I. searched Mr. Cohen’s home and office, he filed a civil action against the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, which Mr. Trump joined to prevent federal officials from gaining access to material that could be protected by attorney-client privilege between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen.

Mr. Giuliani’s lawyers are considering filing a similar action in his case, according to one of the people close to the former mayor. One lawyer advising Mr. Giuliani, Alan Dershowitz, told CNN that it would be appropriate for Mr. Trump to join such an effort. Mr. Dershowitz confirmed the comment to The Times.

Mr. Giuliani recently added four new lawyers to his team: Arthur L. Aidala, a former Brooklyn prosecutor and former Fox News commentator; Barry Kamins, a retired New York Supreme Court justice and law professor; the retired New York Appellate Division Justice John Leventhal; and Michael T. Jaccarino, a former Brooklyn prosecutor.

 

I realize that it's against the basic fundamentals of Donald Trump's lizard brain to part with what he sees has his money, but certainly a career criminal and con man has to recognize, on some level, that but opting not to spend some money to help Rudy now, he risks Rudy turning on him completely and cooperating with authorities, right? Right? God I hope not. 

[Updawg 2,260]

Rudy failed trump so he has no use for him now. So no need to pay him

[Walden Ponderer 12,639]

Hands up everyone who did not see this coming.

If you raised your hand, please refrain from operating heavy machinery, or taking on any responsibility more complicated than taking out the trash.

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On 4/30/2021 at 10:57 AM, TwiceHorn said:

This was interesting.  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/rudy-giuliani-fbi-warning-russia/2021/04/29/5db90f96-a84e-11eb-bca5-048b2759a489_story.html

Both Giuliani and Ron Johnson warned by FBI counterintel that they were being used by Russian intel as disinfo conduits on Biden and other issues.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/05/01/media/washington-post-new-york-times-retraction-giuliani/index.html

 

[atomheartbevo 89,362]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

I realize that it's against the basic fundamentals of Donald Trump's lizard brain to part with what he sees has his money, but certainly a career criminal and con man has to recognize, on some level, that but opting not to spend some money to help Rudy now, he risks Rudy turning on him completely and cooperating with authorities, right? Right? God I hope not. 

51 minutes ago, Updawg said:

Rudy failed trump so he has no use for him now. So no need to pay him

Rudy seems like the kind of guy who will do anything for a buck, and right now he's in deep legal and financial shit.

Trump needs Rudy and Co. to keep their mouths shut.

That is worth a helluva lot of money to Trump.

 

[jimmyjazz 45,513]

I quite literally don't think I've ever seen an interview with Rudy Giuliani that makes me think he could keep his mouth shut regarding behind-the-scenes secrets.