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9 hours ago, Longhorn_Fan68 said:

I will bet everything I own (which isn't much) that they 100% don't know what they are talking about.

Yeah, 99% of them fall for the “liberals are the real fascists!” bullshit that guys like D’Souza peddle. You can show them all the facts disproving it and if they like you they might even say something like “oh, I didn’t realize that,” but as soon as you’re out of their presence they’ll be right back to believing all that nonsense.

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10 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, 99% of them fall for the “liberals are the real fascists!” bullshit that guys like D’Souza peddle. You can show them all the facts disproving it and if they like you they might even say something like “oh, I didn’t realize that,” but as soon as you’re out of their presence they’ll be right back to believing all that nonsense.

It’s very similar to Krishna stories. “Then we got drunk and fell asleep. In the morning, we had forgotten.”

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Yeah, 99% of them fall for the “liberals are the real fascists!” bullshit that guys like D’Souza peddle. You can show them all the facts disproving it and if they like you they might even say something like “oh, I didn’t realize that,” but as soon as you’re out of their presence they’ll be right back to believing all that nonsense.

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18 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Yeah, 99% of them fall for the “liberals are the real fascists!” bullshit that guys like D’Souza peddle. You can show them all the facts disproving it and if they like you they might even say something like “oh, I didn’t realize that,” but as soon as you’re out of their presence they’ll be right back to believing all that nonsense.

It's really worse than that. They take opinions as fact and tout them as such. Nearly impossible to argue with people like that, much less sway them 

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5 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Good. Fucking. Luck.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/us/politics/rudy-giuliani-warrant-trump.html

 

 

 

 

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“I want to know what the GOP did with the quarter of $1 billion that they collected for the election legal fight,” Bernard Kerik, the former New York City police commissioner, wrote on Twitter on Sunday. Mr. Giuliani appointed Mr. Kerik when he was mayor of New York.

Using expletives, Mr. Kerik added that “lawyers and law firms that didn’t do” much work were paid handsomely, while those who worked hard “got nothing.”

Mr. Kerik has made similar complaints to some of Mr. Trump’s advisers privately, according to people familiar with the conversations, arguing that Mr. Giuliani has incurred legal expenses in his efforts to help Mr. Trump and that Mr. Giuliani’s name was used to raise money during the election fight.

In a separate tweet, Mr. Kerik blamed the Republican National Committee chairwoman, Ronna McDaniel. R.N.C. officials said that the group did not make the same overt fund-raising appeals as the Trump campaign to challenge the election results.

A lawyer for Mr. Giuliani, Robert J. Costello, has had conversations with a lawyer for Mr. Trump about whether any of the material that was seized by the F.B.I. should be protected from scrutiny because of attorney-client privilege. Mr. Costello has also raised the question of paying Mr. Giuliani, according to two people briefed on those discussions.

Jason Miller, a spokesman for Mr. Trump, declined to comment. Mr. Giuliani could not be reached for comment.

Mr. Giuliani had encouraged Mr. Trump to file challenges to the election, and the former president tasked Mr. Giuliani with leading the effort in November. But when Mr. Giuliani’s associate, Maria Ryan, sent an email to Trump campaign officials seeking $20,000 a day for his work, Mr. Trump balked, The New York Times has reported.

Mr. Trump later told his advisers he did not want Mr. Giuliani to receive any payment, according to people close to the former president with direct knowledge of the discussions. Before Mr. Trump left the White House in January, he agreed to reimburse Mr. Giuliani for more than $200,000 in expenses but not to pay a fee.

Some of Mr. Giuliani’s supporters have blamed Mr. Trump’s aides — and not the former president — for the standoff. However, people close to Mr. Trump said he has stridently refused to pay Mr. Giuliani.

Mr. Giuliani’s advisers were also disappointed that he did not receive a federal pardon from Mr. Trump, despite facing the long-running federal investigation into his Ukrainian dealings, a person close to Mr. Giuliani said. After months of speculation that Mr. Trump might issue Mr. Giuliani a pre-emptive pardon, Mr. Giuliani said on his radio show in January that he did not need a pardon, because “I don’t commit crimes.”

The efforts to overturn the election culminated in a rally of Mr. Trump’s supporters near the White House on Jan. 6. After marching to the Capitol, where the Electoral College results were being certified, hundreds of those supporters stormed the building, resulting in deaths and scores of injuries to Capitol Police officers and others. The events led to Mr. Trump’s second impeachment trial, and Mr. Trump told Mr. Giuliani in a private meeting that he could not represent him in the proceedings, people briefed on the meeting said.

Asked about Mr. Kerik’s tweet during an interview with ABC News, Mr. Giuliani’s son, Andrew, said that his father’s fees should be covered by Trump’s campaign coffers.

“I do think he should be indemnified,” the younger Mr. Giuliani said. “I think all those Americans that donated after Nov. 3, they were donating for the legal defense fund. My father ran the legal team at that point. So I think it’s very easy to make a very strong case for the fact that he and all the lawyers that worked on there should be indemnified.”

He added, “I would find it highly irregular if the president’s lead counsel did not get indemnified.”

A person close to Mr. Giuliani, who was granted anonymity because this person was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, made a related argument, saying the Trump campaign should be careful to ensure money in the war chest was spent in connection with the election effort because it was solicited from the public for that purpose.

Although there are many differences between the two situations, for some of Mr. Trump’s advisers, the standoff with Mr. Giuliani has raised uncomfortable echoes of a similar dispute with another of Mr. Trump’s former personal lawyers, Michael D. Cohen.

In 2019, Mr. Cohen said the Trump Organization, Mr. Trump’s family business, breached an agreement with him to cover his legal costs. In a lawsuit, Mr. Cohen said the company initially paid some of the bills after the F.B.I. searched his apartment and office in April 2018. But, he said in the lawsuit, company officials stopped the payments when they discovered around June 2018 that he was preparing to cooperate with federal investigators.

Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty later that year to charges related to tax evasion, as well as a campaign finance charge related to his 2016 hush-money payment to a pornographic film star who had claimed to have had an affair with Mr. Trump. Mr. Cohen ended up testifying about Mr. Trump in Congress, and provided assistance to the investigation led by the special counsel Robert S. Mueller III into possible conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russian officials.

After the F.B.I. searched Mr. Cohen’s home and office, he filed a civil action against the U.S. attorney in Manhattan, which Mr. Trump joined to prevent federal officials from gaining access to material that could be protected by attorney-client privilege between Mr. Trump and Mr. Cohen.

Mr. Giuliani’s lawyers are considering filing a similar action in his case, according to one of the people close to the former mayor. One lawyer advising Mr. Giuliani, Alan Dershowitz, told CNN that it would be appropriate for Mr. Trump to join such an effort. Mr. Dershowitz confirmed the comment to The Times.

Mr. Giuliani recently added four new lawyers to his team: Arthur L. Aidala, a former Brooklyn prosecutor and former Fox News commentator; Barry Kamins, a retired New York Supreme Court justice and law professor; the retired New York Appellate Division Justice John Leventhal; and Michael T. Jaccarino, a former Brooklyn prosecutor.

 


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1 hour ago, Satchel said:

This won’t end well for Rudi or Trump.

Nope.  If Trump isn't going to help him out, he's going to find out that while Rudy loves Trump, Rudy loves Rudy even more.

Hopefully Rudy has cut his IT guys loose, since he's his own cyber expert.

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So, I was reading some stuff on Dominion's suit against the Rude boy.

Rudy is represented by an Austin lawyer.  Not one of several, but just his firm. https://camarasibley.com/bio/  It is kooky that his firm has two names, but he seems to be the only member/partner.  And it's in Austin but has 713 phone numbers.

Doesn't seem to be super-Trumpy, or political, but could be.  Might have been known to Rudy when he was at Bracewell.

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4 minutes ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

Rudy pleading with Donald to say something in his defense. Trump is ignoring him.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-has-blown-off-rudy-giulianis-pleas-for-help-as-feds-circle

Rudy learning what everybody else has always learned. There is no such thing as loyalty when Trump is involved.

 

come on now, we all know that trump is loyal to TRUMP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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44 minutes ago, Bookman said:

I still can't get over that Rudy didn't get paid for his "work" post election. That's Rule #1.

It makes all those great television moments even better.

You knew how incompetent and crooked Rudy is when he didn't bail after not getting paid.

He's too much of a dumbass to turn his back over nonpayment, and he's in too deep to risk getting stuck onto an ice floe to float off and die.

Turns out, Option #2 is what is going to happen to his sorry ass.

I figure by June, Trump will disavow ever knowing him at all.  

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Rudy used to be competent, I believe. Don't know if some of his schtick is just that, a schtick. However, as mayor of NYC during the days of the Russian/Armenian mafia supplanting some of the Italian organizations thanks to his timely prosecution, it has crossed my mind that Rudy is stuck. He could offer up info that might save his ass, but then he would be dead. Because there are people who take care of that stuff when you need it done.

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13 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

Rudy used to be competent, I believe. Don't know if some of his schtick is just that, a schtick. However, as mayor of NYC during the days of the Russian/Armenian mafia supplanting some of the Italian organizations thanks to his timely prosecution, it has crossed my mind that Rudy is stuck. He could offer up info that might save his ass, but then he would be dead. Because there are people who take care of that stuff when you need it done.

Rudy is still the same person. He is an ends justify the means attack dog. The world has changed. 

He went after the mob because they were murdering grifting pieces of shit. He did anything and everything to take them down. America loved that. 

He cleaned up New York because it was a crime ridden shithole. He did anything and everything to clean it up. America loved that. (In hindsight, his policies were unconstitutional and racist as fuck)

He went after the terrorist because they were murdering pieces of shit. He did anything and everything to take them down. America loved that. (He probably violated a shit ton of people's rights but most of America didn't give a shit because 9/11.)

He went after Biden's family and Election Conspiracy Theories because Trump told him to. America did not love that. (He's been an attack dog for so long, doing whatever the fuck he wanted to take down his targets, and American agreeing with him, he probably thought this would go over like the Bush election thing in 2000)

He fucked around and will find out. 

 

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Watched the HBO documentary, The Crime of Century about the opioid crisis that came out a week or so ago.  Take a guess who makes an unsurprising cameo and who was hired by the pharmaceutical companies back in 2006 to lobby the DOJ to avoid and minimize criminal penalties.  

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/22/rudy-giuliani-opioid-epidemic-oxycontin-purdue-pharma

 

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4 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

C’mon you know what he’s saying. But it’s still pretty stupid to claim being in politics in the 80s and 90s as a little kid and young teenager just because dad worked in government.  Maybe the 00s he can claim student government or some shit. 

You are perhaps giving Andrew Giuliani too much unearned credit.

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19 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

C’mon you know what he’s saying. But it’s still pretty stupid to claim being in politics in the 80s and 90s as a little kid and young teenager just because dad worked in government.  Maybe the 00s he can claim student government or some shit. 

Talk about a distillation of the rich-kid entitlement.  He feels he earned the right to be governor because Daddy was in politics.  The political class is aristocratic. 

Even W was never stupid enough to say it out loud. 

 

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On 5/18/2021 at 5:40 AM, Bookman said:

I still can't get over that Rudy didn't get paid for his "work" post election. That's Rule #1.

It makes all those great television moments even better.

The best parts are his fucking laughable $20k per day rate for embarrassing himself, and that everyone other than Rudy knew he would never get a dime. 

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/25/politics/giuliani-redactions-investigations/index.html

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New York federal prosecutors investigating Rudy Giuliani have seized material from a wider array of individuals than previously disclosed, including messages from email and iCloud accounts they believe belong to two former Ukrainian government officials, as well as the cell phone and iPad of a pro-Trump Ukrainian businessman, according to a court document unsealed Tuesday.

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The court filing, which contained redacted portions that CNN was able to read by copying and pasting them into another document, also disclosed that federal prosecutors have "historical and prospective cell site information" related to Giuliani and another lawyer, Victoria Toensing, both of whom were the subjects of search warrants executed late last month.

The Ukrainians include the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine Yuriy Lutsenko, the former head of the Ukrainian Fiscal Service Roman Nasirov and businessman Alexander Levin.

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The filing, written by an attorney for an indicted former Giuliani ally Lev Parnas, describes a chart in which federal prosecutors described the scope of the materials they sought and seized beginning in late 2019 and continuing through earlier this year.

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Prosecutors appear to have pursued material connected to Giuliani's efforts abroad. Lutsenko, whose email account prosecutors targeted, met with Giuliani several times, and several former US State Department officials testified that he was part of a smear campaign against Yovanovich. Lutsenko falsely said that Yovanovich was speaking negatively about Trump and that she gave him a "do not prosecute" list.

The nature of prosecutors' interest in material from Nasirov's email and iCloud accounts and from Levin's iPhone and iPad wasn't immediately clear.

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Bondy wrote that the evidence seized "likely includes e-mail, text, and encrypted communications" between Giuliani, Toensing, former President Donald Trump, former Attorney General Bill Barr, "high-level members of the Justice Department, Presidential impeachment attorneys Jay Sekulow, Jane Raskin and others, Senator Lindsey Graham, Congressman Devin Nunes and others, relating to the timing of the arrest and indictment of the defendants as a means to prevent potential disclosures to Congress in the first impeachment inquiry of then-President Donald. J. Trump."

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In prior court filings, prosecutors disclosed they seized 18 electronic devices from Giuliani in late April and had covertly searched his iCloud account in 2019; they also acknowledged they took Toensing's cell phone during the April searches.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/07/politics/rudy-giuliani-ukraine-call-investigate-biden/index.html

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Never-before-heard audio, obtained exclusively by CNN, shows how former President Donald Trump's longtime adviser Rudy Giuliani relentlessly pressured and coaxed the Ukrainian government in 2019 to investigate baseless conspiracies about then-candidate Joe Biden. 

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The audio is of a July 2019 phone call between Giuliani, US diplomat Kurt Volker, and Andriy Yermak, a senior adviser to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. The call was a precursor to Trump's infamous call with Zelensky, and both conversations later became a central part of Trump's first impeachment, where he was accused of soliciting Ukrainian help for his campaign.

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During the roughly 40-minute call, Giuliani repeatedly told Yermak that Zelensky should publicly announce investigations into possible corruption by Biden in Ukraine, and into claims that Ukraine meddled in the 2016 election to hurt Trump. (These separate claims are both untrue.)

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"All we need from the President [Zelensky] is to say, I'm gonna put an honest prosecutor in charge, he's gonna investigate and dig up the evidence, that presently exists and is there any other evidence about involvement of the 2016 election, and then the Biden thing has to be run out," Giuliani said, according to the audio. "... Somebody in Ukraine's gotta take that seriously."

The new audio demonstrates how Giuliani aggressively cajoled the Ukrainians to do Trump's bidding. And it undermines Trump's oft-repeated assertion that "there was no quid pro quo" where Zelensky could secure US government support if he did political favors for Trump.

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35 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

Throw this on the pile of shit that will result in nothing. 

I'm so fucking sick of these "now, we got him!" stories.

Who fucking cares?  Certainly, no one who can actually do anything about it.

Trump will always and forever get away with everything, b/c our government is a mixture of pussies and fascists.  

Dems are absolute gimps and Reps are absolutely intent on fascism.  Sick of a bunch of limp-dicked Democratic cunts who can't do anything about anything. 

I'm also drunk. 

 

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I'm so fucking sick of these "now, we got him!" stories.
Who fucking cares?  Certainly, no one who can actually do anything about it.
Trump will always and forever get away with everything, b/c our government is a mixture of pussies and fascists.  
Dems are absolute gimps and Reps are absolutely intent on fascism.  Sick of a bunch of limp-dicked Democratic cunts who can't do anything about anything. 
I'm also drunk. 
 

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