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yo....blistering opinion.

for those of you who aren't lawyers, it's exceedingly rare to grant death penalty sanctions in any court, but doubly so for in a federal venue.  the conduct has to be outrageously egregious for a court to even consider it, much less grant the motion.  Howell lays out that conduct very well.

in short, Rudy and all the rest of the Trump minions are basically smegma in a week old condom sitting in the August sun behind some cheap motel in Douglass, AZ. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.94.0.pdf

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On 7/26/2023 at 9:52 PM, Gatorubet said:

 Intentionally not complying with court ordered discovery (twice, in this case) is a very bad strategy that can lead to a very bad things. I think the judge would view this more as a “fuck you judge, I’m not giving up the documents” than an admission of liability for damages strategy reasons.  

I have the popcorn, and I await the entertainment.

Did not disappoint.  Quality read from the judge.  

Trump for sure will not pay Rudy now.  You can just feel him thinking to himself, “I can’t pay Rudy. If I give him money it’ll just go to those horrible Negro women.”

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17 minutes ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

yo....blistering opinion.

for those of you who aren't lawyers, it's exceedingly rare to grant death penalty sanctions in any court, but doubly so for in a federal venue.  the conduct has to be outrageously egregious for a court to even consider it, much less grant the motion.  Howell lays out that conduct very well.

in short, Rudy and all the rest of the Trump minions are basically smegma in a week old condom sitting in the August sun behind some cheap motel in Douglass, AZ. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.94.0.pdf

Pretty sure you posted that just for me

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On 8/24/2023 at 6:56 PM, YGIFS said:

this is an amazing timeline.  One of the few times my father cried as an adult, he was working in New Jersey, just across from Ground Zero.  His trucking company asked to start queueing up refrigerated cartons at the Holland Tunnel entrance, in case they were called upon by Mayor Rudy to haul off recovered corpses.  But he was really moved by Rudy's humanity and leadership and grace under pressure.  And now maybe one of the most well-connected lawyers in U.S. history is having to scurry to make bail at a shady West Atlanta bondsman literally located between an animal euthanasia facility and a Family Dollar.  What a time to be alive.

One of my New Yorker friends likes to say that Rudy Giuliani only had one good day, and it was the worst day in American history. He himself has acknowledged this, saying: 

“I guess the best way to describe it is, it was the worst day of my life and in some ways, you know, the greatest day of my life, in terms of my city, my country, my family.”

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“I think that he was always ambitious and ruthless and, in some cases, sadistic,” Giuliani biographer Andrew Kirtzman told Vanity Fair this week. “But those malevolent qualities mixed with his generosity to people, the fact that he was protective of New Yorkers when he felt that his city was being treated unfairly. I was with Giuliani on 9/11. I watched his compassion and his generosity of spirit by attending 200 funerals. This is not Donald Trump. This is not someone who is basically a bad guy from start to finish, in a very linear way. He’s a much more complex figure.”

 

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4 hours ago, Kyrie Eleison said:

yo....blistering opinion.

for those of you who aren't lawyers, it's exceedingly rare to grant death penalty sanctions in any court, but doubly so for in a federal venue.  the conduct has to be outrageously egregious for a court to even consider it, much less grant the motion.  Howell lays out that conduct very well.

in short, Rudy and all the rest of the Trump minions are basically smegma in a week old condom sitting in the August sun behind some cheap motel in Douglass, AZ. 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720/gov.uscourts.dcd.238720.94.0.pdf

Beryl Howell has heard a mega shit ton of Trumpy lawsuits and criminal cases, including presiding over the Mar A Lago and January 6 grand juries.

I'm quite sure she is sick to death of these fuckers and their bullshit.

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1 hour ago, hayden_horn said:

honestly, i'll never get over the four seasons thing. that administration fucked us all up in many ways, but goddamn could they sometimes deliver the funny. that it was so often at their own expense made it so much sweeter.

 

I've said this before, but I bought one of those awesome Four Seasons shirts when it happened. I'm definitely not one to ever wear political apparel, but I couldn't help myself on that one. It was too good and too funny.

But, to my chagrin, all the MAGA people in my life have absolutely zero idea what it's referencing. Not one. Their media sources keep them completely sheltered from all of the rampant embarrassments of the past 8 years.

So disappointing.

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I've said this before, but I bought one of those awesome Four Seasons shirts when it happened. I'm definitely not one to ever wear political apparel, but I couldn't help myself on that one. It was too good and too funny.

But, to my chagrin, all the MAGA people in my life have absolutely zero idea what it's referencing. Not one. Their media sources keep them completely sheltered from all of the rampant embarrassments of the past 8 years.

So disappointing.

nah that makes it all the better. if you know you know

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2 hours ago, aggie08 said:

I've said this before, but I bought one of those awesome Four Seasons shirts when it happened. I'm definitely not one to ever wear political apparel, but I couldn't help myself on that one. It was too good and too funny.

But, to my chagrin, all the MAGA people in my life have absolutely zero idea what it's referencing. Not one. Their media sources keep them completely sheltered from all of the rampant embarrassments of the past 8 years.

So disappointing.

I'm in the same exact boat. I wear it out and about in deep East Texas and never get a second look. It's one of my favorite tshirts.

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I'm late to the party, but what this motherfucker did to Ruby Freeman and his daughter cannot be forgiven. He ruined their lives. I hope they can collect on the judgment.

He never even apologized. “Sorry for absolutely obliterating your lives, just because I could.”
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12 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

nah that makes it all the better. if you know you know

No doubt. It's a subtle way for those of us to recognize a kindred spirit in the wild. It's completely opposite from "Let's Go Brandon" or any of the truly obvious shit with the MAGA crew. I do, however, appreciate that approach by them so I know to keep a wide berth.

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RUDY THE RUSSIAN ASSET
HAD A VERY SHINY NOSE
WHEN YOU DRINK 24-7
THAT’S USUALLY THE WAY IT GOES

ALL THE OTHER LAWYERS
LAUGHED AT HIM BEHIND HIS BACK
THEY KNEW THAT GOOD OLE' RUDY
WAS NOTHING BUT A POLITICAL HACK

THEN ONE DARK AND STORMY NIGHT
DONALD CAME TO SAY
RUDY WITH YOUR NOSE SO BRIGHT
WILL YOU TELL ME I’M 100% RIGHT?

THEN HOW THE MINIONS LOVED HIM
AS THEY SHOUTED OUT WITH GLEE
RUDY YOU’RE NOW ONE OF US
WE'LL  GO DOWN IN HISTORY

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2 hours ago, Ted Lange said:

I sung that first verse in my head to Rick James Superfreak until I realized it was supposed to be sung to Rudolph the reindeer somewhere where mid verse 2.   😂

I heard it start out to something different as well…

Hey, once I was America’s Mayor
Fightin’ crime was just my brand
I never had no problems yeah 
changing wives between my one night stands
And then everyone around me, yeah
Ignored me so I was feelin' so low 
And I decided quickly, yes I did
Suck up to Trump - and be a part of his show
And I was lyin’ - and fartin’ -and dripping hair dye at Four Seasons
And just when it hit me somebody turned around and shouted
“Defame those black poll workers white boy
Say lies for Trump you know ain’t right
Defame those black poll workers white boy

Lay down those big lies, get RICO prison time until you die
'Til you die, yeah, oh 'til you die

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Cassidy Hutchinson, the former top aid to Trump's WH chief of staff Mark Meadows, claims in her new book that she was groped by Rudy Giuliani on the day of the attack on the Capitol: "He put his hand under my blazer, then my skirt..." I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh,” “He tilts his chin up. The whites of his eyes look jaundiced. My eyes dart to John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin." “I fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil from Rudy’s grip … filled with rage, I storm through the tent, on yet another quest for Mark.” Why am I not surprised reading this?

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"He put his hand under my blazer, then my skirt..." I feel his frozen fingers trail up my thigh,” “He tilts his chin up. The whites of his eyes look jaundiced. My eyes dart to John Eastman, who flashes a leering grin." “I fight against the tension in my muscles and recoil from Rudy’s grip … filled with rage, I storm through the tent, on yet another quest for Mark.”

The fuck? Who talks--or writes--like this? Is she auditioning for her her own romance novel series? Because good luck ever getting this horrifying image out of your readers' heads.

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I guess Trump with his gawking at aid's asses and history of pussy grabbing was capable of setting up so depraved a culture. I started to write that I found the writing difficult to believe. I thought Meadows was the leering witness, but it was Rudy's co-turd, Eastman.

These guys thought they were about to take over the country and be powerful dukes to King Trump. I think these are two guys prematurely drunk with power and trying to harvest the fruit.

The hand that went up Hutchinson's skirt should be chopped (or sawn) off. This is worse than a despicable pussy grab in a bar, it's an expression of impunity of the powerful. 

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8 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

The fuck? Who talks--or writes--like this? Is she auditioning for her her own romance novel series? Because good luck ever getting this horrifying image out of your readers' heads.

It's over the top. I wonder if she wrote it herself. It's so purple that it diminishes credibility, but I believe the essence of this scene occured if she says it did.

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The fuck? Who talks--or writes--like this? Is she auditioning for her her own romance novel series? Because good luck ever getting this horrifying image out of your readers' heads.

this IS her romance novel. you know incels and misogynists alike will be furiously beating off to this. 

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https://news.yahoo.com/giuliani-drinking-long-fraught-subject-131939884.html

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Giuliani’s Drinking, Long a Fraught Subject, Has Trump Prosecutors’ Attention

Matt Flegenheimer and Maggie HabermanWed, October 4, 2023 at 8:19 AM CDT·16 min read16Link Copied17-22 minutes

NEW YORK — had always been hard to miss at the Grand Havana Room, a magnet for well-wishers and hangers-on at the midtown Manhattan cigar club that still treated him like the king of New York.

In recent years, many close to him feared, he was becoming even harder to miss.

For more than a decade, friends conceded grimly, Giuliani’s drinking had been a problem. And as he surged back to prominence during the presidency of , it was getting more difficult to hide it.

On some nights when Giuliani was overserved, an associate discreetly signaled the rest of the club, tipping back his empty hand in a drinking motion, out of the former mayor’s line of sight, in case others preferred to keep their distance. Some allies, watching Giuliani down Scotch before leaving for Fox News interviews, would slip away to find a television, clenching through his rickety defenses of Trump.

Even at less rollicking venues — a book party, a Sept. 11 anniversary dinner, an intimate gathering at Giuliani’s own apartment — his consistent, conspicuous intoxication often startled his company.

“It’s no secret, nor do I do him any favors if I don’t mention that problem, because he has it,” said Andrew Stein, a former New York City Council president who has known Giuliani for decades. “It’s actually one of the saddest things I can think about in politics.”

No one close to Giuliani, 79, has suggested that drinking could excuse or explain away his present legal and personal disrepair. He arrived for a mug shot in Georgia in August not over rowdy nightlife behavior or reckless cable interviews but for allegedly abusing the laws he defended aggressively as a federal prosecutor, subverting the democracy of a nation that once lionized him.

Yet to almost anyone in proximity, friends say, Giuliani’s drinking has been the pulsing drumbeat punctuating his descent — not the cause of his reputational collapse but the ubiquitous evidence, well before Election Day in 2020, that something was not right with the former president’s most incautious lieutenant.

Now, prosecutors in the federal election case against Trump have shown an interest in the drinking habits of Giuliani — and whether the former president ignored what his aides described as the plain inebriation of the former mayor referred to in court documents as “Co-Conspirator 1.”

Their entwined legal peril has turned a matter long whispered about by former City Hall aides, White House advisers and political socialites into an investigative subplot in an unprecedented case.

The office of the special counsel, Jack Smith, has questioned witnesses about Giuliani’s alcohol consumption as he was advising Trump, including on election night, according to a person familiar with the matter. Smith’s investigators have also asked about Trump’s level of awareness of his lawyer’s drinking as they worked to overturn the election and prevent Joe Biden from being certified as the 2020 winner at almost any cost. (A spokesperson for the special counsel declined to comment.)

The answers to those prompts could complicate any efforts by Trump’s team to lean on a so-called advice-of-counsel defense, a strategy that could portray him as a client merely taking professional cues from his lawyers. If such guidance came from someone whom Trump knew to be compromised by alcohol, especially when many others told Trump definitively that he had lost, his argument could weaken.

In interviews and in testimony to Congress, several people at the White House on election night — the evening when Giuliani urged Trump to declare victory despite the results — have said that the former mayor appeared to be drunk, slurring and carrying an odor of alcohol.

“The mayor was definitely intoxicated,” Jason Miller, a top Trump adviser and a veteran of Giuliani’s 2008 presidential campaign, told the congressional committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol in a deposition early last year. “But I do not know his level of intoxication when he spoke with the president.” (Giuliani furiously denied this account and condemned Miller, who had spoken glowingly of him in public, in vicious terms.)

Privately, Trump, who has long described himself as a teetotaler, has spoken derisively about Giuliani’s drinking, according to a person familiar with his remarks. But Trump’s monologues to associates can betray a layered view of the former mayor, one that many Republicans share: He credits Giuliani with turning around New York City after the high-crime 1970s and 1980s and contends that it has suffered lately without him in charge. Then he returns to a lament about Giuliani’s image today.

Trump does not dwell on his own role in that trajectory.

In a statement that did not address specific accounts about Giuliani’s drinking or its potential relevance to prosecutors, Ted Goodman, a political adviser to the former mayor, praised Giuliani’s career and suggested he was being maligned because “he has the courage to defend an innocent man” in Trump.

“I’m with the mayor on a regular basis for the past year, and the idea that he is an alcoholic is a flat-out lie,” Goodman said, adding that it had “become fashionable in certain circles to smear the mayor in an effort to stay in the good graces of New York’s so-called ‘high society’ and the Washington, D.C., cocktail circuit.”

“The Rudy Giuliani you all see today,” Goodman continued, “is the same man who took down the mafia, cleaned up the streets of New York and comforted the nation following 9/11.”

A spokesperson for Trump did not respond to a request for comment.

Many who know Giuliani best are careful to discuss his life, and especially his drinking, with considerable nuance. Most elements of today’s Giuliani were always there, they say, if less visible.

Long before alcohol became a concern, Giuliani was prone to sweeping, unsubstantiated claims of election fraud. (“They stole that election from me,” he once said of his 1989 mayoral loss, alluding to supposed chicanery “in the Black parts of Brooklyn and in Washington Heights.”)

Long before alcohol became a concern, he could be quick to lash out at enemies real or perceived. (“A small man in search of a balcony,” Jimmy Breslin once said of him.)

In interviews with friends, associates and former aides, the consensus was that, more than wholly transforming Giuliani, his drinking had accelerated a change in his existing alchemy, amplifying qualities that had long burbled within him: conspiracism, gullibility, a weakness for grandeur.

A lover of opera — with a suitably operatic sense of his own story — Giuliani has long invited supporters, as Trump has, to process his personal trials as their own, tugging the masses along through tumult, tragedy, public divorce.

Yet there is a smallness to his world now, a narrowing to reflect his circumstances.

He faces a racketeering charge (among others) in Georgia, a defamation case brought by two election workers and accusations of sexual misconduct from a former employee (he has said this was a consensual relationship) and a former White House aide (he has denied this account).

One of his lawyers has said Giuliani is “close to broke.” Another, Robert Costello, once a protégé of the former mayor’s, is suing him for unpaid legal fees.

Giuliani’s circle has shrunk as old friends have fallen away. His law license was suspended in New York. The Grand Havana Room closed in 2020.

Most days, Giuliani hosts a radio show in Manhattan, stopping for sidewalk selfies with the occasional stranger.

Most nights, he stays in for a livestream from the apartment he long shared with his third ex-wife, Judith Giuliani. It recently went up for sale.

“Rudy loves opera,” said William J. Bratton, his first police commissioner, to whom Giuliani once gave a CD collection of “La Bohème” as a gift. “Few operas end in a happy place.”

A Crushing Defeat and a Growing Concern

Giuliani was always the kind of elected official who kept opposition researchers busy: romantic entanglements, personnel conflicts, a trail of incendiary remarks.

But as he prepared for life after City Hall — mounting a short-lived Senate campaign in 2000 and harboring visions of the presidency — Democratic operatives say Giuliani’s drinking was one issue that never came up.

There was a reason for that. As mayor, former aides said, Giuliani did not generally drink to excess and expected his team to follow his lead.

Part of this seemed to flow from insecurity: Reared outside Manhattan in a family of modest means, Giuliani always took care to keep his wits about him, one senior city official said, because he did not want to lower his guard in view of New York’s elites.

Another consideration was practical. Giuliani thrilled to the all-hours nature of the mayoralty, hustling toward scenes of emergency to project authority and control long before 9/11 showcased this instinct to the wider world, and he was vigilant about staying ready.

No one doubts that the attack, and his ascendant profile, profoundly reshaped him. On Sept. 10, 2001, he was the polarizing lame duck who had antagonized artists, warred gratuitously with ferret owners and defended his police department through high-profile killings of unarmed Black men — including one episode in which Giuliani attacked the deceased and authorized the release of his arrest record.

By midweek, he had become a global emblem of tenacious resolve, held up as the city’s essential man. (Giuliani quickly came to see himself this way, too: With the election to succeed him weeks away, he began pushing by late September to postpone the next mayor’s start date and remain in office for a few more months, even asking the Republican governor, George Pataki, to extend his term, according to Pataki. The idea had few takers and was abandoned.)

The years that followed were a swirl of mourning and celebrity — wrenching remembrances, lucrative business ventures, an honorary British knighthood — a tension that Giuliani can still sound as if he is struggling to reconcile.

He faced criticism last year for calling Sept. 11 “in some ways, you know, the greatest day of my life.” He has also seemed haunted by it, no matter what doors it opened: After a colonoscopy in 2018, he told people then, he was informed that he had been talking in his sleep as if he was establishing a command center at ground zero when the towers fell.

Giuliani’s stewardship in crisis was supposed to hypercharge his long-planned presidential campaign, enshrining him as the early Republican front-runner in 2008. It did not.

Instead, the earliest accounts of Giuliani’s excessive drinking date to this period of campaign failure. Though any political flop can sting, those who know Giuliani say that this one, his first loss in nearly two decades, was especially shattering.

When his big electoral bet on Florida ended in humiliation, Giuliani fell into what Judith Giuliani later called a clinical depression. He stayed for weeks afterward at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s club in Florida. The two were not especially close friends but had known each other for years through New York politics and real estate.

Around this time, Giuliani was drinking heavily, according to comments Judith Giuliani made to Andrew Kirtzman, the author of “Giuliani: The Rise and Tragic Fall of America’s Mayor,” published last year.

“Literally falling-down drunk,” Kirtzman said in an interview, noting that several incidents over the years, in Judith Giuliani’s telling, required medical attention. Kirtzman said that he came to consider Giuliani’s drinking “part of the overall erosion of his self-discipline.” (Giuliani has said he spent a month “relaxing” at Mar-a-Lago. Judith Giuliani declined through her lawyer to be interviewed.)

Some who encountered Giuliani after the campaign were struck by how transparently he missed the attention he once commanded, how desperate he seemed to recapture what he had lost.

George Arzt, a longtime aide to former Mayor Edward Koch, with whom Giuliani often clashed, recalled watching Giuliani wander on a loop through a restaurant in the Hamptons, as if waiting to be stopped by anyone, while the rest of his party dined in a backroom.

“He would walk back and forth like he wanted everyone to see him, more than once,” Arzt said. “He just wanted to be recognized.”

People close to Giuliani particularly worried about him as his third marriage began to fray, growing unnerved at snapshots of his behavior even at nominally sanctified gatherings, like an annual dinner for close associates around Sept. 11.

In almost any company, Giuliani seemed liable to make a scene. In May 2016, he derailed a major client dinner at the law firm he had recently joined with a fire hose of Islamophobic remarks while drunk, according to a book last year by Geoffrey S. Berman, who would later become the U.S. attorney in Manhattan.

At the 9/11 anniversary dinner that year, a former aide remembered, Giuliani appeared intoxicated as he delivered remarks that were blisteringly partisan — and tonally jarring for guests, given the event being commemorated.

The next year, a longtime attendee recalled, the traditional dinner was scrapped. Weeks before the anniversary, Giuliani had been rushed to the hospital with a leg injury.

After drinking too much, Judith Giuliani would say later, the former mayor had taken a fall.

Recklessness, Grievance and Increased Isolation

With a few days left in the Trump presidency — and the specter of a second impeachment trial looming after the Capitol riot — Giuliani was unambiguous.

Short on allies and angling for another public showcase, the former mayor did not just want to represent Trump before the Senate: “I need to be his lawyer,” Giuliani told a confidant, according to a person with direct knowledge of the exchange.

By then, much of Trump’s orbit was quite certain that this was a bad idea. Giuliani’s legal efforts since the election had roundly failed. He was the source of infighting, highlighted by an associate’s email to campaign officials asking that Giuliani be paid $20,000 a day for his work. (Giuliani has said he has unaware of the request.) He was also destined to be a potential witness.

Giuliani’s foray into Ukrainian politics had already helped get Trump impeached the first time. And for years, some in the White House had viewed Giuliani’s indiscipline and unpredictability — his web of foreign business affairs, his mysterious travel companions and, often enough, his drinking — as a significant liability.

Before some of Giuliani’s television appearances, allies of the president were known to share messages about the former mayor’s nightly condition as he imbibed at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, where Giuliani was such a regular that a custom plaque was placed at his table: “Rudolph W. Giuliani Private Office.” (“You could tell,” one Trump adviser said of the nights when Giuliani went on the air after drinking.)

Giuliani has said he does not think he ever gave an interview while drunk. “I like Scotch,” he told NBC New York in 2021, adding: “I’m not an alcoholic. I’m a functioning — I probably function more effectively than 90% of the population.”

At the Grand Havana in New York, some steered clear when Giuliani’s near-shouting conversations gave him away.

“People would walk by after he started drinking a lot and act like he wasn’t there,” said the Rev. Al Sharpton, a longtime antagonist and a fellow member at the cigar club. (Sharpton said he did indulge in a running gag: He and others who opposed Trump sometimes playfully encouraged a server to double Giuliani’s liquor orders before he went on Fox.)

But Sharpton attributed the former mayor’s troubles to a different vice, as many friends have privately.

“When he started running after Trump, I said, ‘This guy’s addicted to cameras,’” Sharpton recalled, adding that Giuliani “had to know the negative sides of Donald Trump.” Before long, Sharpton observed, Giuliani was “running with guys that he would have put in jail when he was U.S. attorney.”

Giuliani can seem wistful now about the days when he held such influence — and fanatical about settling old scores and destroying new adversaries, forever insisting that he is denied his due.

Reflecting on the death last month of his second police commissioner, Howard Safir, Giuliani swerved suddenly during his livestream into Trump-style projection, using the occasion to smear Safir’s predecessor, Bratton, with whom Giuliani fell out.

“Maybe Bratton going to Elaine’s every night and getting drunk actually helped,” Giuliani said. (“If the show wasn’t so sad, it would be hilarious,” Bratton said via text.)

Other complaints from Giuliani have been more current. Fox News stopped inviting him on, he has groused repeatedly, even though he was working to highlight scandals surrounding Hunter Biden — and was vilified for it — well before they became a prime Republican talking point.

Giuliani’s home was searched, and his devices were seized, by federal authorities in 2021 as part of an investigation that produced embarrassing headlines and, ultimately, no charges, further inflaming his sense of persecution.

He can seem wounded that some past friends have drifted away.

“He feels betrayed by some of the friends who used to be his friends,” said John Catsimatidis, the billionaire political fixture who owns the local station that carries Giuliani’s radio show. “How’d you like to have those friends as friends?”

While Giuliani does not seem to place Trump in this category — still publicly fawning over a man to whom he has appealed for financial help — their relationship has endured some strain. On Trump’s final weekend in office, he excoriated Giuliani in a private meeting, according to a person briefed on it.

Last month, Trump’s club in Bedminster, New Jersey, was the site of a fundraiser for Giuliani’s legal defense.

But days later, on the Sept. 11 anniversary, Trump did not say a public word about the New Yorker most associated with the tragedy.

Giuliani focused his objections elsewhere, remarking often on his allotted location among dignitaries at the memorial. “They don’t put those of us who had anything to do with Sept. 11 too close,” he said.

Appraising his own legacy later that week on his livestream, where he called himself New York’s most successful mayor in history, Giuliani still seemed consumed by his standing now in his city.

He also sounded resigned.

“This crooked Democratic city,” he said, “would never have a plaque for me.”

 

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