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Rudy sues Joe Biden for calling him a “Russian pawn” three years ago.

Rudy: “Sue who? Sue everybody!”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/rudy-giuliani-lawsuit-joe-biden-russian-pawn/index.html

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Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed a defamation lawsuit Wednesday against President Joe Biden for calling him a “Russian pawn” during a presidential debate nearly three years ago. 

Giuliani announced the lawsuit at a rambling and sparsely attended news conference outside a courthouse in New Hampshire, where he filed to take advantage of the state’s defamation laws.

The former mayor reiterated several familiar attacks against Biden and his son, Hunter, though he only sued the president – despite the high bar for statements by public figures in a political setting to be found defamatory. 

The move comes as Giuliani is facing his own legal exposure on several fronts and new questions about his ability to pay the lawyers representing him. Wednesday’s news conference took place shortly after news broke that another lawyer, who has been representing Giuliani in the Georgia election subversion case, had withdrawn.

Asked if he was concerned about Giuliani’s ability to pay his legal fees in this case, as his debts mount, Lou Diamond, one of the attorneys who appeared Wednesday alongside the former New York mayor, told reporters, “That is the furthest thing from my mind.”

 

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1 hour ago, C-Man said:

Rudy sues Joe Biden for calling him a “Russian pawn” three years ago.

Rudy: “Sue who? Sue everybody!”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/04/politics/rudy-giuliani-lawsuit-joe-biden-russian-pawn/index.html

 

 

 

Asked if he was concerned about Giuliani’s ability to pay his legal fees in this case, as his debts mount, Lou Diamond, one of the attorneys who appeared Wednesday alongside the former New York mayor, told reporters, “That is the furthest thing from my mind.”

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3 minutes ago, Grade of D as in David said:

 

 

Asked if he was concerned about Giuliani’s ability to pay his legal fees in this case, as his debts mount, Lou Diamond, one of the attorneys who appeared Wednesday alongside the former New York mayor, told reporters, “That is the furthest thing from my mind.”

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“Lou Diamond” is a bit too on the nose for the type of seedy ambulance chaser that would take Rudy’s case on contingency. 

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This raises a most interesting question of choice of law.  He filed in NH because it has a long statute of limitations for defamation.  Most states are one year.

This despite neither Biden nor Giuliani ever residing or maintaining a home or property in the state, and the defamatory communication (allegedly) occurring in Tennessee.

Choice of law dictates that some state other than NH's defamation law applies (TN where the defamation occurred, or NY where Giuliani resides, most likely)  But that might not be true of the statute of limitations, if it is regarded as procedural rather than substantive.

Regardless, you're going to see Joe delay the shit out of this.

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What negative thing about Rudy could one say that is untrue?

President Biden did you claim that Mr. Gulliani was a cousin fucking, alcoholic, weirdo that tried to fuck that young lady in Borat?

Yes.

Camera pans to Rudy who has a flask on the table, with one hand on his dick with incest porn on his phone. Rudy whipes Rudy juice from his brow, then pulls a piece of necrotic ear off and eats it. Then looks around in confusion.

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1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

This raises a most interesting question of choice of law.  He filed in NH because it has a long statute of limitations for defamation.  Most states are one year.

This despite neither Biden nor Giuliani ever residing or maintaining a home or property in the state, and the defamatory communication (allegedly) occurring in Tennessee.

Choice of law dictates that some state other than NH's defamation law applies (TN where the defamation occurred, or NY where Giuliani resides, most likely)  But that might not be true of the statute of limitations, if it is regarded as procedural rather than substantive.

Regardless, you're going to see Joe delay the shit out of this.

You are saying that the statute of limitations isn’t tied to the place of adjudication?  That seems like a poor idea, such that anyone could file in the place that fits their needs for SoL knowing that it will be moved to the proper venue. It’s a bullshit backdoor. 

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19 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

You are saying that the statute of limitations isn’t tied to the place of adjudication?  That seems like a poor idea, such that anyone could file in the place that fits their needs for SoL knowing that it will be moved to the proper venue. It’s a bullshit backdoor. 

It's a bit of an open question.  In some places, like NY, it's "procedural," so governed by the law of the forum.  In other places, it's substantive, so governed by the law that controls the case.

I'm going to assume they researched it and the NH court will apply the NH statute of limitations, although there's about zero chance NH law governs the case.  Also some possibility that the NH court dismisses as an inconvenient forum.  And, it may not have personal jurisdiction over Biden.

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1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

You're probably right.  Why the fuck couldn't it be the dotard instead!?!

Because Rudy has lost everything - his reputation, his businesses, his bank account, his ability to gin up decent new business, etc., and because Rudy knows he did it to himself and has only himself to blame.

Trump can gin up new campaign donations, can still fuck around with businesses, and does not believe that he caused his own problems.

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Because Rudy has lost everything - his reputation, his businesses, his bank account, his ability to gin up decent new business, etc., and because Rudy knows he did it to himself and has only himself to blame.

Trump can gin up new campaign donations, can still fuck around with businesses, and does not believe that he caused his own problems.

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A judge presiding over Rudy Giuliani’s damages trial penalized the lawyer Friday for his “continued and flagrant” disregard of court order.

U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell said the decision means jurors will be told that Giuliani intentionally hid financial documents and other records in defiance of court orders.


“Giuliani’s continued and flagrant disregard of this Court’s August 30 Order that he produce financial-related documents concerning his personal and his businesses’ past and present assets, revenues, income, viewership metrics, and social media, all of which information is potentially pertinent at the upcoming damages trial,” Howell wrote.

Howell ruled in August that Giuliani is legally liable for defaming Georgia election workers in attempts to further false claims that former President Donald Trump won the 2020 election.

In his release Friday, Howell said Giuliani, “consistent with his prior track record,” has failed to file any response to the submission of materials, despite the Sept. 22 deadline to do so.

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Since the former Mayor of New York City failed to comply with the order or file an opposition, Howell ruled the jury must infer that Giuliani was intentionally trying to hide information about his businesses and social media when determining the “appropriate sum” of damages.

The Judge also said the jury will be instructed to infer that Giuliani received “substantial benefits” for defaming the election workers and that the Giuliani businesses “continue to generate” revenue from their operations.

The order makes it clear that Giuliani and his counsel will not be able to make an argument or introduce any evidence related to his financial benefits. He also will not be able to state or suggest that he is “insolvent, bankrupt, judgement proof, or otherwise unable to defend himself, comply with this Court’s orders, or satisfy and eventual judgement.


The five-page ruling was released Friday, ahead of the scheduled Dec. 11 trial.

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The Judge also said the jury will be instructed to infer that Giuliani received “substantial benefits” for defaming the election workers and that the Giuliani businesses “continue to generate” revenue from their operations.

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On 10/5/2023 at 7:08 PM, TwiceHorn said:

This raises a most interesting question of choice of law.  He filed in NH because it has a long statute of limitations for defamation.  Most states are one year.

This despite neither Biden nor Giuliani ever residing or maintaining a home or property in the state, and the defamatory communication (allegedly) occurring in Tennessee.

Choice of law dictates that some state other than NH's defamation law applies (TN where the defamation occurred, or NY where Giuliani resides, most likely)  But that might not be true of the statute of limitations, if it is regarded as procedural rather than substantive.

Regardless, you're going to see Joe delay the shit out of this.

I know that for most torts Tennessee has a one year statute of limitation.  Another sucky state with such a short to file is Louisiana.

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On 10/5/2023 at 8:36 PM, TwiceHorn said:

It's a bit of an open question.  In some places, like NY, it's "procedural," so governed by the law of the forum.  In other places, it's substantive, so governed by the law that controls the case.

I'm going to assume they researched it and the NH court will apply the NH statute of limitations, although there's about zero chance NH law governs the case.  Also some possibility that the NH court dismisses as an inconvenient forum.  And, it may not have personal jurisdiction over Biden.

it’s possible that one of the other reasons they chose that venue is apparently New Hampshire has a far less robust use of privileges as a defense to defamation. 

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Rudy sues Joe Biden for calling him a “Russian pawn” three years ago.

The suit argues that Biden’s comments have damaged Giuliani’s reputation, and continue to do so, preventing him from holding “positions that require credibility, trust, decision-making, and independence.”

Giuliani’s lawyers then go on to list Giuliani’s career accomplishments as proof of his positive reputation, referencing his “sterling and unimpeachable character.” 

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Calling someone who is a public figure a “pawn” is, perhaps the least legally defamatory statement I could imagine. 
The only less defamatory statement you could sue on is Biden’s statement that Rudy’s opinion about Hunter Biden is a “bunch of garbage.”
And I think that even a 1L could figure out this has no traction. 
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https://www.politico.eu/article/oleksandr-dubinsky-ukraine-treason-russia-rudy-giuliani-joe-hunter-biden/

 

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KYIV — A Ukrainian MP who in 2019 helped former U.S. President Donald Trump’s lawyer Rudy Giuliani in his search for dirt on Joe and Hunter Biden has been charged with treason.

Oleksandr Dubinsky, together with ex-Ukrainian lawmaker Andriy Derkach and ex-prosecutor Kostyantyn Kulyk, had joined an organization formed by chiefs of Russia’s Military Intelligence (GRU), Ukraine’s Security Service (SBU) said in a statement on Monday.

Although SBU did not name the MP in the statement, the photos and video materials attached to it identify Dubinsky, whose alias, “Buratino,” was taken from a 1930s Soviet “Pinocchio” knockoff.

Dubinsky denied wrongdoing and called the investigation against him political persecution in a Telegram statement on Friday.

In October and November 2019, Dubinsky and Derkach gave several press conferences in Kyiv at which they claimed that based on an investigation by Kulyk, they had uncovered corruption and money-laundering schemes related to Burisma, a gas company which had future U.S. President Joe Biden’s son Hunter on its board of directors.

They also claimed U.S. investment funds were involved in money laundering in Ukraine.

In 2020 the U.S. Treasury sanctioned Derkach as a Russian agent undermining America’s political system. In 2021 Dubinsky and Kulyk were also sanctioned by the U.S. as foreign actors involved in spreading fraudulent allegations involving a U.S. political candidate


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On 10/5/2023 at 8:20 PM, Pato del Muerto said:

You are saying that the statute of limitations isn’t tied to the place of adjudication?  That seems like a poor idea, such that anyone could file in the place that fits their needs for SoL knowing that it will be moved to the proper venue. It’s a bullshit backdoor. 

Depends on the borrowing statute status, and like Twice said, on whether the statute is deemed procedural or substantive.   This is all too soon to worry about statutes of repose, otherwise that would be a factor too.

As a plaintiff lawyer engaged in mass torts, I was always scouting around to find someplace to file a case if the SOL was blown in the state the Plaintiff lived.  Missouri for Roundup cases, NJ for talc, etc.  If you aren’t at least considering forum shopping, you are not representing your client well.   But you are correct that a blown venue can be fatal - or just a transfer, depending. 

This is all academic, as there’s no way Rudy is not a public figure, and as a public figure you are allowed to talk shit about that asshole. * “Pawn” is about the most innocuous thing you could have said about him.   But he may be right, so grandpa Joe needs every email Rudy has sent or received in discovery to be sure.   
 

(* NY Times in a nutshell kinda)

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Somewhere in Philadelphia, or perhaps in an industrial park just outside Philadelphia...there's a Four Seasons missing its idiot.  

Sometimes I think about where America would be right now had Rudy has an appointment further down Lower Manhattan instead of being up on Chambers Street.

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And there's this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/seth-meyers-rudy-giuliani-belt-undone_n_65783081e4b0fca7ad220221

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Seth Meyers zeroed in on a report that Rudy Giuliani entered a courthouse elevator Monday with his belt still undone and hanging from his waist. (Watch the video below.)

“If you’re Rudy’s lawyer and he shows up late with his belt hanging at his waist, is that the moment you realize you’re fucked?” the “Late Night” host sniped.

Giuliani, who was already found liable for defaming two Georgia election workers, was in court for a trial to determine how much he’d pay them. NBC reporter Ryan J. Reilly, a former HuffPoster, relayed Giuliani’s state of undress after a security check on X, formerly Twitter.

Meyers imagined Giuliani penguin walking into the proceedings with his pants down before plunging in the dagger.

“Although, in fairness to Rudy, he can only fix his belt if he’s lying on a bed while filming a scene in a Sacha Baron Cohen movie,” Meyers said. An image flashed onscreen of the ex-New York City mayor with his hand down his pants as he reclined back on the bed with actor Maria Bakalova posing as a reporter in a hidden camera prank of the 2020 “Borat” sequel.

Movie buffs will recall that as she helped him remove an audio device, Giuliani appeared to touch himself while breathing harder. That’s when Cohen’s Borat, wearing a bra and panties, stormed into the room to inform Giuliani that the woman was 15 (the actor was actually 24).

Giuliani said he was just tucking in his shirt.

 


 

 

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The judge warned Giuliani's lawyer that Giuliani's continued statements about the election workers is just opening him up to more lawsuits. The judge and lawyer openly discussed Giuliani's age and whether he could even follow instructions if he testifies. 

If I was Giuliani's lawyer I would be spending my time wondering if I'm ever going to see a dime for my time. Spoiler alert: you won't.

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5 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

The judge warned Giuliani's lawyer that Giuliani's continued statements about the election workers is just opening him up to more lawsuits. The judge and lawyer openly discussed Giuliani's age and whether he could even follow instructions if he testifies. 

If I was Giuliani's lawyer I would be spending my time wondering if I'm ever going to see a dime for my time. Spoiler alert: you won't.

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Holy shit, I forgot about that guy.  He represented somebody I knew with a claim against a therapist he was seeing with his wife (or one of them was seeing her, can't remember).  He's apparently a decent guy from a Ranger friend of mine who served alongside him.  But seriously, why is that Trump and his cohort always "hire" attorneys who have specialties in everything EXCEPT what they need actual legal help with>?  

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