Texas opens as a 10.5 point underdog v Oklahoma

[Tex Pete 20413]

27 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Pete you stay tuned up 24/7 with the hate.  It knows no bounds.  I'm a fan.  I'll agree Oklahoma probably gets away with some holding.  Here's hoping the refs don't decide the game Saturday, for either side.  Can't wait. 

I don’t want calls or no-calls to dictate the game. I always want a fair game. Officiating is so bad across the board these days. From junior high to the NFL, it sucks. 

[Modessit 5603]

I don't suppose we'll decide to play in the Stormtroopers even though we're the home team?

[brojangles2 786]

1 hour ago, Modessit said:

I don't suppose we'll decide to play in the Stormtroopers even though we're the home team?

Highly unlikely. 

[gecko 1104]

Always amazes me how many college football ‘experts’ start talking home field advantage for one team only to be corrected by some off air intern that the game is played in Dallas.

[Eggo 3978]

10 hours ago, Machinator said:

 

This is hysterical. 

[texifornia 57033]

7 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

okie lite.

We held them to 14 points minus the short fields we handed them - that was a clinic in bend-don't-break and containing a mobile QB and a great RB at the same time. Not sure what more you were looking for.

[texifornia 57033]

7 hours ago, Modessit said:

I don't suppose we'll decide to play in the Stormtroopers even though we're the home team?

Nah we're in orange.

[Steamboat1874 4075]

The betting line is for morons anyway.

Does not mean jack shit for how the game will turn out.

The line will change depending on where the money goes.

Fucking useless to even discuss it.

[Mossyhorn 143]

Yes, I know we can “throw stats out the window” in this game. However, for the sake of discussion, a few relevant stats:

Total Offense,

Okla., #1 (643.8 ypg); #3 in rush offense; #5 in pass; #2, scoring offense.

Texas, #19 (483.6), #11, scoring offense.

 

Total Defense, Okla., #46 (346.4 ypg); #64 run defense; #25, scoring defense.

Texas, #104; #126 pass defense; #68 scoring defense (26.6 ppg).

Turnover Margin, Texas, #10 (+1.00/game); Okla., #43 (+.4/game);

Net Punting, Okla., #19 (41.9); Texas, #71 (37.89);

Penalty Yds/Game: Texas, #83 (60.2); Okla., #129, next-to-last (90.4). 

Factoring in teams already played accounts for much of the above. Texas’ two biggest advantages, creating turnovers & an edge in penalties. Okla. can kill drives more frequently, or extend opponents drives. Let’s hope that holds up. 

We are still last in the country in punt returns. 

Edited October 10, 2019 by Mossyhorn

[Tex Pete 20413]

I wouldn’t use our penalties as any relevant stat. We were getting fucked against WV. That game wasn’t called anything close to evenly. 

[texifornia 57033]

6 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I wouldn’t use our penalties as any relevant stat. We were getting fucked against WV. That game wasn’t called anything close to evenly. 

So it's a great metric for Saturday then.

[Texasborn91 941]

I feel as the stats are a bit slanted negatively to our defense. Other than the LSU game the defense has been clutch this year. Holding ok st to 17 in the normal run of play and West Va getting 2 TDs and an extra 130 yards in garbage time diminishes the looks of things a bit. Especially the way we have been stuffing the run between the tackles. Slow the run down and make Hurts throw it into some tight windows and not streaking wide open receivers and we have a chance. We will move the ball. 

[Reynolds Woodcock 4788]

It must be exhausting being a sports fan and getting constantly worked up over officiating.

[Tex Pete 20413]

It needs to be pointed out when it happens. The officiating Saturday was atrocious. 

[JBJ 3664]

Speaking of officiating ... the only reason 'horns down' became a penalty is because of a dumb call against Texas and the league stubbornly refusing to admit that.

[Ghost of Shag 2615]

I don’t know why some of you guys have such a hard time admitting that at this point in the season, our defense sucks. We’ve seen good defense around here and this isn’t it. Maybe it improves. Maybe it doesn’t. But right now, it’s bad.

Edited October 10, 2019 by Ghost of Shag

[The_Great_Hornsby 3273]

Our defense is bad but does generate turnovers, which masks how poor they are. We will need to keep generating turnovers to beat OU. If they don't turn the ball over, it will be tough sledding. The good news is, they will. 

[jimmyjazz 46001]

6 minutes ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

Our defense is bad but does generate turnovers, which masks how poor they are. 

Well, that's kind of a central tenet of Orlando's scheme, to generate turnovers.  You can't just ignore them.

[Texasborn91 941]

11 minutes ago, Ghost of Shag said:

I don’t know why some of you guys have such a hard time admitting that at this point in the season, our defense sucks. We’ve seen good defense around here and this isn’t it. Maybe it improves. Maybe it doesn’t. But right now, it’s bad.

This is The big 12. Having a top 10 defense in this conference is fucking impossible. Welcome to modern college football. Turnovers and Field goals in the red zone is the key. 

When we played a team like UGA and Kansas st that slow it down a bit we magically didn’t give up a lot of points. Crazy...

[Eggo 3978]

16 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

This is The big 12. Having a top 10 defense in this conference is fucking impossible. Welcome to modern college football. Turnovers and Field goals in the red zone is the key. 

When we played a team like UGA and Kansas st that slow it down a bit we magically didn’t give up a lot of points. Crazy...

So you're telling me that teams with innovative, strategically fast-paced offenses designed to capitalize on the other team's weaknesses score more points? And the teams that run a traditional, try-and-beat-the-other-guy-even-though-he-knows-what's-coming, slower offenses score less points against a more talented defense? 

Well I never....

I get what you're saying, but offensive football at one point or another in history had to find a way to score more points against an entrenched philosophy of defensive football. To stand up and shout that we've "arrived" at what modern football looks like forevermore is small thinking. 

[gmr548 16590]

make Hurts throw it into some tight windows and not streaking wide open receivers and we have a chance.

I take it you haven't watched Texas play defense much this year.

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[texifornia 57033]

Expect bad calls because the arrogant UT players will be trying to make the OU guys (*cough* Radley-Hiles *cough*) lose their heads

Spoiler

 

[TeddyBearStallion 73]

On 10/6/2019 at 2:17 PM, Casual Encounter said:

Vegas has seen our DL’s lack of penetration and our secondary’s overall lackluster performance this year. They’ve also witnessed Riley’s offense not miss a beat regardless of who is behind center. This shouldn’t be a surprise.

Incel Dline?

Edited October 10, 2019 by TeddyBearStallion

[Texasborn91 941]

17 minutes ago, Eggo said:

So you're telling me that teams with innovative, strategically fast-paced offenses designed to capitalize on the other team's weaknesses score more points? And the teams that run a traditional, try-and-beat-the-other-guy-even-though-he-knows-what's-coming, slower offenses score less points against a more talented defense? 

Well I never....

I get what you're saying, but offensive football at one point or another in history had to find a way to score more points against an entrenched philosophy of defensive football. To stand up and shout that we've "arrived" at what modern football looks like forevermore is small thinking. 

Lots of words yet said so little. 

[Eggo 3978]

2 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

Lots of words yet said so little. 

Seems like I said more than your fatalistic "we can't stop them so we should get used to it" bullshit. 

[texifornia 57033]

11 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Seems like I said more than your fatalistic "we can't stop them so we should get used to it" bullshit. 

He said something real - even SEC teams (fatball!) don't stop Big XII offenses. What you have to do is bend don't break and try to get turnovers/big negative plays, then outscore them on the other side. Once they get in the red zone and you don't have to defend so much acreage you can get a lot feistier and that's when you can actually stonewall them.

Just like we did against OSU, basically giving up passes to their secondary WRs but not letting Hubbard and Wallace beat us.

[Funk Doctor Spock 12456]

Don't care, got Rojo.

[texasstrong12 4668]

13 minutes ago, texifornia said:

He said something real - even SEC teams (fatball!) don't stop Big XII offenses. What you have to do is bend don't break and try to get turnovers/big negative plays, then outscore them on the other side. Once they get in the red zone and you don't have to defend so much acreage you can get a lot feistier and that's when you can actually stonewall them.

Just like we did against OSU, basically giving up passes to their secondary WRs but not letting Hubbard and Wallace beat us.

It's not just a college perspective either. Arguably the top defensive mind in football preaches that points-per-drive and turnovers-per-drive are what really matter. 

The biggest issue is people get entirely too caught up in total yards. It's a worthless metric in the era of "modern college football"/spread offenses. It's all about turnovers and red zone stops. 

https://www.patspropaganda.com/pats-2017-bend-dont-break-defense-stack-historically/

Edited October 10, 2019 by texasstrong12

[Bobby_Batronic 1994]

2 minutes ago, texasstrong12 said:

It's not just a college perspective either. Arguably the top defensive mind in football preaches that points-per-drive and turnovers-per-drive are what really matter. 

The biggest issue is people get entirely too caught up in total yards. It's a totally worthless metric in the era of "modern college football"/spread offenses. It's all about turnovers and red zone stops. 

https://www.patspropaganda.com/pats-2017-bend-dont-break-defense-stack-historically/

Strikeouts are fascist, but they are viscerally satisfying. 

[Texasborn91 941]

33 minutes ago, Eggo said:

Seems like I said more than your fatalistic "we can't stop them so we should get used to it" bullshit. 

What part about causing turnovers ( we lead the nation in INTs) and forcing field goals is not considered a stop to you? 

[NOMAAA 1696]

3 hours ago, Mossyhorn said:

Yes, I know we can “throw stats out the window” in this game. However, for the sake of discussion, a few relevant stats:

Total Offense,

Okla., #1 (643.8 ypg); #3 in rush offense; #5 in pass; #2, scoring offense.

Texas, #19 (483.6), #11, scoring offense.

 

Total Defense, Okla., #46 (346.4 ypg); #64 run defense; #25, scoring defense.

Texas, #104; #126 pass defense; #68 scoring defense (26.6 ppg).

Turnover Margin, Texas, #10 (+1.00/game); Okla., #43 (+.4/game);

Net Punting, Okla., #19 (41.9); Texas, #71 (37.89);

Penalty Yds/Game: Texas, #83 (60.2); Okla., #129, next-to-last (90.4). 

Factoring in teams already played accounts for much of the above. Texas’ two biggest advantages, creating turnovers & an edge in penalties. Okla. can kill drives more frequently, or extend opponents drives. Let’s hope that holds up. 

We are still last in the country in punt returns. 

"who gives a shit?" - Harrison Ford - NOMAAA

[Eggo 3978]

58 minutes ago, Texasborn91 said:

What part about causing turnovers ( we lead the nation in INTs) and forcing field goals is not considered a stop to you? 

Okay, I see your point. My point is: make em eat shit. 

Sorry..hate week has me thinking like an ogre. 

[Sgt Hulk 13815]

5 hours ago, Eggo said:

This is hysterical. 

It’s hysterical because this staff does infact ignore the take no mercy mantra and gives mercy 

[GRHorn 105]

Rolling out of work early today. Once kids get out of school, hitting the road for Dallas. It’s a great day.

OU sucks. 

[texifornia 57033]

Not sure this was posted (and if it was, whatever) - Scipio Tex on how we can win the game on defense: https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2019/10/9/20907194/how-texas-can-beat-oklahoma-on-defense-longhorns-sooners-dallas-red-river-orlando-riley

[El Squared 1812]

13 hours ago, Tex Pete said:

I don’t want calls or no-calls to dictate the game. I always want a fair game. Officiating is so bad across the board these days. From junior high to the NFL, it sucks. 

Unfortunately more and more it appears that is sucks by design for an agenda or a monied interest. It's not merely incompetence.

[BabaYaga 15302]

4 minutes ago, El Squared said:

Unfortunately more and more it appears that is sucks by design for an agenda or a monied interest. It's not merely incompetence.

One of the few conspiracy theories I'll raise my hand and admit I believe.  Too much god damn money paid out to the conferences to have post-season representation.  So it's internal.  Conferences are picking their horses and pushing them ahead.  

[El Squared 1812]

4 hours ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

It must be exhausting being a sports fan and getting constantly worked up over officiating.

It's more exhausting to pretend that bad officiating  is just to be expected and embraced as "part of the game".

[ztejas 43524]

5 minutes ago, texifornia said:

Not sure this was posted (and if it was, whatever) - Scipio Tex on how we can win the game on defense: https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2019/10/9/20907194/how-texas-can-beat-oklahoma-on-defense-longhorns-sooners-dallas-red-river-orlando-riley

Quote

but OU didn’t know South Dakota would be down when they scheduled them.

I love Scipio

[Sgt Hulk 13815]

Well you never know which SD team you’re gonna get 😂

[TreatyOak 16388]

18 hours ago, Zavala said:

MENSA + JACKED = GO FUCK YOURSELF BITCH

[Glenn Quagmire Pilot 129]

3 hours ago, Texasborn91 said:

This is The big 12. Having a top 10 defense in this conference is fucking impossible. Welcome to modern college football. Turnovers and Field goals in the red zone is the key. 

When we played a team like UGA and Kansas st that slow it down a bit we magically didn’t give up a lot of points. Crazy...

You dont need a to 10 defense but having a bottom 100 defense is a different story.  Texas D did take a step back this year, so far. 

[Sgt Hulk 13815]

Well you never know which SD team you’re gonna get 😂

[gmr548 16590]

Expect bad calls because the arrogant UT players will be trying to make the OU guys (*cough* Radley-Hiles *cough*) lose their heads
Spoiler

 

Use of an apostrophe when trying to use the plural form of a given word is absolutely a dead giveaway of an OU education.

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[jimmyjazz 46001]

It's almost as if some of our fans never listen to Tom Herman speak.  On pretty much a weekly basis, he talks about how moving the ball gets so much more difficult within the red zone.  Do you think his defensive schematic preferences might be informed a bit by that perspective?  

Play for the turnover and limit explosive plays the bulk of the time, and then get more physical and aggressive when the field contracts.  He knows it works against his offenses, which is why Orlando schemes that way on defense.

[Burt Macklin 19038]

50 minutes ago, Glenn Quagmire Pilot said:

You dont need a to 10 defense but having a bottom 100 defense is a different story.  Texas D did take a step back this year, so far. 

I see why you have a red number next to your name with idiotic posts like this. 

[Glenn Quagmire Pilot 129]

2 minutes ago, Burt Macklin said:

I see why you have a red number next to your name with idiotic posts like this. 

Happy to discuss this in more detail instead of name calling.  I think it's pretty clear that the texas defense has taken a step back this season. Or  am i wrong? Happy to discuss but if you wanna call me names, i guess you can do that too.  Anyway, feel free to respond like an adult and we could maybe even have a real conversation about this topic before it turns into insults and other boring stuff.  I love talking football tho!

[Eggo 3978]

54 minutes ago, Glenn Quagmire Pilot said:

You dont need a to 10 defense but having a bottom 100 defense is a different story.  Texas D did take a step back this year, so far. 

My D took a step back with your mom last night. 

[Hagbard Celine 10898]

1 hour ago, texifornia said:

Not sure this was posted (and if it was, whatever) - Scipio Tex on how we can win the game on defense: https://www.barkingcarnival.com/2019/10/9/20907194/how-texas-can-beat-oklahoma-on-defense-longhorns-sooners-dallas-red-river-orlando-riley

i love me some sciptex, but i haven't read this yet and i'm calling bullshit.

[Glenn Quagmire Pilot 129]

9 minutes ago, Eggo said:

My D took a step back with your mom last night. 

My mother is suffering from two different types of cancers because she was just stupid enough to smoke cigarettes for 50 years. That said, thank you for showing her a good time, it's been a while for her. Also you'll need to see a doctor. 

Edited October 10, 2019 by Glenn Quagmire Pilot