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Magus Ossis

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24 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Was White really gay? I was too young to know anything at the time and haven't heard his name in decades unless he's also the current AD at UCF. 

If I'm being totally honest, I guess I quit on the Oilers the day of the Bills game. That's how I've really always seen it. I only paid passing attention after that. I was a young teenager. We watched the whole game, of course, and I watched my father melt all the way down - moaning, pulling at his hair, jumping up and down and screaming violent shit at the tv, and then a buddy and I went to the indoor batting cages.

I came home about 3 hours later and the living room was dimly lit with the tv off. My mother, who doesn't tolerate much bullshit about sports bringing the atmosphere down, pulled me aside when I came in and told me to just leave my father alone and he'd be better tomorrow. "Um, okay, mom. Where is he?" My Mother: "He hasn't moved. He's still sitting right where we was when you left. You didn't see him when you came in?" I walked back around the corner and sure enough, he was still sitting with one leg across his lap, chin resting on a fist propped up by an elbow, with a 1000 yard stare in the direction of the tv. Woke up the next day and he was fine. It was years before we spoke of that game in the apartment.

There was someone with a sign, I think at Cowboys v Eagles, after that game that read, 

Hey Oilers

Will Coach defense for food

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4 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

The Chiefs game was the one that broke my heart. We had a group of hard pipe hitters on defense.  And that team had a shot at beating the Cowboys, who struggled with run and shoot offenses.  Buddy Ryan’s defense was special that year.  

The 92 team that choked against a buffalo would have been blasted by the Cowboys anyway.  Had they even made past the AFC title game.  No way they beat Dallas.  

Those chokers weren’t going to touch the Cowboys.  

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It also provides a little insight as to why the fans in Cleveland forced Art Modell to keep the name there. 50k showed up to support the Browns. Houston hated Bud Adams more than Cleveland hated Modell which is almost unfathomable.

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MrPhlegm

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Too many to tell.  When I was a producer at KTRK-13 I would go to the Oiler practice facility a couple of times a week during the season.  Some memories include Jeff Alm pretending he was going to drive his Cadillac into the group of reporters/photogs interviewing Jack Pardee in the parking lot.  Did a big fish-tail and sped off.  He died right after that (I saw the autopsy report, so don't bother). I remember Ian Howfield crying after he got cut for missing a chip-shot in Washington.  Saw Buddy Ryan and Kevin Gilbride's first altercation. Ray Childress got me kicked out of the facility one time for telling PR guy Chip Namias that I had told Ray to tell Chip to "get Jack's ass out here because was tired of waiting for him."  Actually collected on a bet with Cody Carlson I had made several years before when he was at Baylor.  We were at the same black-tie sorority event in Waco when he was quarterback there and I was a pup at Texas.  He was trash talking at dinner and I had finally had enough.  We bet on the Texas-BU game that year, and he actually remembered it when I brought it up later and paid up.
I produced Ray Childress' show, and we also had Ernest Givins in studio every Sunday night after home games.  They were both good dudes to work with, though Ray's wife (a UT Tri-Delt) was more pleasant to be around.  Also did some of the "Off the Field" material and would go along to the players' homes to shoot interviews and b-roll.  Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak, Chris Dishman.  When we would go over to the APC and would see Bud Adams' he would always say the same thing to Bob Allen every, single, time.  "Hey, Allen. What marriage are you on now?"  Then he would cackle as if it was the first time he ever said it.  Adams had to have been the inspiration for the Judge in "The Natural."  His office was in the basement of the APC, with no natural sunlight and the lights were always dim.
I will also take partial credit in getting Jerry Glanville fired.  The day after they lost to the Steelers in the playoffs I was sitting in the office while Bob was doing the six-o'clock and a guy calls from Intercontinental Airport to tell me that Glanville is sitting out there waiting on a flight to Atlanta.  Within an hour I had a crew from our Atlanta affiliate on the way to the airport there, but only after Bob got on the phone and screamed at their anchor.  That guy would not believe that the Falcons would interview, much less hire Glanville. He refused, but eventually caved.  Glanville's face getting off the plane was priceless.  He was caught and he knew it.  We got the video via satellite about 10-minutes to 10 p.m., and Glanville had made the comment to the effect of he was happy to be there "because if you're not sleeping in Atlanta, you're just camping out."  Bob was livid.  He called Bud and played it for him over the phone and then went onset and just winged a 2-minute rant on what a piece of shit Glanville was and how he had dissed Houston, the Oilers, errybody.  They fired Glanville the next day (or, had a mutual parting of the ways).
Last story.  After the Chiefs/Montana playoff loss I got fired for a couple of days.  The station was being remodeled and the sports department was outside in a trailer.  I had told the security guard to make sure the west side door by the heli-pad was unlocked so I could tapes to playback in time.  About 5-minutes before Tim Melton (my favorite guy) went on at 10 p.m. I ran out of the trailer with ALL my tapes.  Highlights  Post-game.  Everything.  And, the door was locked.  No one was coming.  No one was answering the phone.  So, I sat down on my ass and kicked in the bottom glass panel in and crawled through.  Otherwise, our whole Sunday sportscast would have been Tim tap-dancing for five-minutes.  The next day they brought me into the station manager's office, showed me the security tape, and fired me.  On Wednesday Bob Allen (RIP) called me and told me to "get back here."  I don't know what or how, but he and Tim went to bat for me.  Two of the best human beings you could ever hope to meet.
who gives a shit about all that crap. the IMPORTANT THING IS did you ever get to meet KITIRIK?

PS FUCK BUD ADAMS FUCK HIM IN HIS ROTTED ZOMBIE ASS!

OU sucks.
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MrPhlegm

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They print money.  They distribute profits every year.  Last year it was $100 million.  A million dollars for every point of ownership. Not bad.  Cash flow plus ridiculous equity increases.  
Make no mistake, they want to win. This isn’t Drayton who only cared about the facade of winning. They really, really want to win. They just don’t know how.  
that is what happens when you build a team out of aggy. morons.
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Jaws Hardeman, the forgotten man.

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I remember him and Larry Collins at Texas A&I, "Thunder and Lightning". Completely unstoppable in college. And he said all the right things when Earl got drafted, too. But, ah... yeah. He weren't no Earl.

If the Texans had chosen to be "The Oilers 2.0" and revived Luv Ya Blue, I might have become an NFL fan again. As it is, I will occasionally check in to see how former Horns are doing in the league, but otherwise, fuck 'em. I think I saw more Garret Gilbert games in the semi-pro league last spring than I've seen complete NFL games since the Oilers moved.

It can't be said enough:  Fuck Bud Adams, in this life and the next.

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MrPhlegm

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how many of yall been to an Oilers game in Jeppesen?

how about in Rice stadium?

I've been to one in Rice stadium.

then there's Dan Pastorini. man he could chuck a football 10 miles. problem was every one of his passes was thrown at that velocity. long bomb? BOOM! screen pass? BOOM! same velocity as before.

he was of course married to June Wilkinson. she of the HUUUGE uh tracts of land.

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Oilers my second love behind dallas  yes I was fans of both 1a and 1b   Dallas was like my wife and Houston was the girlfriend that sucked your dick and let you do shit to her your wife says no to.   I was sad as fuck when they folded up
fan of both. grew up in Houston and the Cowboys were on tv in houston and the oilers wern't because of the blackout rules. Tom Landry had his own show where he and Tex Schramm would dissect game films. so I was a fan of both.
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Johnny Sack

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5 hours ago, closetojumping said:

We probably both get peaks under their tent, but I'd guess from different angles. My experience with them is that they really don't give a shit about money. They view their brand and reputation, and hiring/fielding "good guys" to be sacrosanct. I think they're viewing it that way out of ego and because it's good for business. They'd rather keep failures around for continuity's sake than dump out of bad decisions with the goal of winning and look cold and expedient. 

I can’t disagree with a word you typed.  

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6 hours ago, Saint Tacky said:

Too many to tell.  When I was a producer at KTRK-13 I would go to the Oiler practice facility a couple of times a week during the season.  Some memories include Jeff Alm pretending he was going to drive his Cadillac into the group of reporters/photogs interviewing Jack Pardee in the parking lot.  Did a big fish-tail and sped off.  He died right after that (I saw the autopsy report, so don't bother). I remember Ian Howfield crying after he got cut for missing a chip-shot in Washington.  Saw Buddy Ryan and Kevin Gilbride's first altercation. Ray Childress got me kicked out of the facility one time for telling PR guy Chip Namias that I had told Ray to tell Chip to "get Jack's ass out here because was tired of waiting for him."  Actually collected on a bet with Cody Carlson I had made several years before when he was at Baylor.  We were at the same black-tie sorority event in Waco when he was quarterback there and I was a pup at Texas.  He was trash talking at dinner and I had finally had enough.  We bet on the Texas-BU game that year, and he actually remembered it when I brought it up later and paid up.

I produced Ray Childress' show, and we also had Ernest Givins in studio every Sunday night after home games.  They were both good dudes to work with, though Ray's wife (a UT Tri-Delt) was more pleasant to be around.  Also did some of the "Off the Field" material and would go along to the players' homes to shoot interviews and b-roll.  Bruce Matthews, Mike Munchak, Chris Dishman.  When we would go over to the APC and would see Bud Adams' he would always say the same thing to Bob Allen every, single, time.  "Hey, Allen. What marriage are you on now?"  Then he would cackle as if it was the first time he ever said it.  Adams had to have been the inspiration for the Judge in "The Natural."  His office was in the basement of the APC, with no natural sunlight and the lights were always dim.

I will also take partial credit in getting Jerry Glanville fired.  The day after they lost to the Steelers in the playoffs I was sitting in the office while Bob was doing the six-o'clock and a guy calls from Intercontinental Airport to tell me that Glanville is sitting out there waiting on a flight to Atlanta.  Within an hour I had a crew from our Atlanta affiliate on the way to the airport there, but only after Bob got on the phone and screamed at their anchor.  That guy would not believe that the Falcons would interview, much less hire Glanville. He refused, but eventually caved.  Glanville's face getting off the plane was priceless.  He was caught and he knew it.  We got the video via satellite about 10-minutes to 10 p.m., and Glanville had made the comment to the effect of he was happy to be there "because if you're not sleeping in Atlanta, you're just camping out."  Bob was livid.  He called Bud and played it for him over the phone and then went onset and just winged a 2-minute rant on what a piece of shit Glanville was and how he had dissed Houston, the Oilers, errybody.  They fired Glanville the next day (or, had a mutual parting of the ways).

Last story.  After the Chiefs/Montana playoff loss I got fired for a couple of days.  The station was being remodeled and the sports department was outside in a trailer.  I had told the security guard to make sure the west side door by the heli-pad was unlocked so I could tapes to playback in time.  About 5-minutes before Tim Melton (my favorite guy) went on at 10 p.m. I ran out of the trailer with ALL my tapes.  Highlights  Post-game.  Everything.  And, the door was locked.  No one was coming.  No one was answering the phone.  So, I sat down on my ass and kicked in the bottom glass panel in and crawled through.  Otherwise, our whole Sunday sportscast would have been Tim tap-dancing for five-minutes.  The next day they brought me into the station manager's office, showed me the security tape, and fired me.  On Wednesday Bob Allen (RIP) called me and told me to "get back here."  I don't know what or how, but he and Tim went to bat for me.  Two of the best human beings you could ever hope to meet.

This is good shit.  And I haven’t seen her in years, but Kara Childress was really hot in her day.  

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6 hours ago, CfRhTxStBobcats said:

Grew up a fan of both Oilers and Cowboys since I lived near neither city. I leaned a little more towards the oilers when Earl was playing, but of course rooted hard for the Cowboys when they were in the Superbowl. Now I couldn't give a shit about the cowboys or Texans even though I now live in Houston. Crazy thing is, if the Texans were called the Oilers and had the old colors I'd probably be a fan. Old and sentimental I guess.

Same here, I tried to like the Texans but couldn’t do it.  It they would just change the Texans to the Oilers I would be a fan again.

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6 hours ago, mycox said:

I still don't think you would care. Things would be the same in Houston 22 years later if the Oilers had stayed. Tennessee has been 8 inches short of accomplishing anything since leaving Houston.

Can't speak for Hank, but that isn't true for me.  That's not how childhood fanship works nor how it turns into adult fanship.  There are adults right now who kill each other at Eagles games.  There's a reason for that.

Some of my first memories were Oilers games.  My dad used to take me to games as a baby.  Earl Campbell picked me up when I was 3 and took me on the field at the dome.  I actually remember that to this day.  I don't even remember ever learning the rules of football either. I kind of just always knew them.  

I never expected them to win because they didn't.  Tore my heart out every time as a kid.  I imagine if they had stuck around in Houston it would be largely the same.  The Oilers don't go to or win Superbowls.  Doesn't mean I wouldn't still care.

I loved the Astros and Rockets.  Still do, and still watch over half of their regular season games plus the playoffs.  But as a kid, it was Oilers >>>>>>>>>>> Astros/Rockets.  When the Oilers left Houston, the only thing that kept me connected to the NFL was fantasy football.  It still does, but I don't watch that many games and I hardly ever care who wins the games that I do watch.  I do like Watt and Watson so I'd probably get into the Texans if they made a serious playoff run.

At least the Longhorns can't leave UT.

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Growing up in the 70's in Houston I loved the Oilers like most everyone.  The Texans are ok, but the Oilers will always be my favorite team of all time.  But I do love me some Astros.

Several years ago I was in Vegas walking through the casino in the Mirage and the Titans were wearing Oiler throwbacks on the TV.  All I could think was Bud Adams can burn in Hell forever, fuck that man.

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11 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Some of my first memories were Oilers games.  My dad used to take me to games as a baby.  Earl Campbell picked me up when I was 3 and took me on the field at the dome.  I actually remember that to this day.  

Bob Allen and Earl were good buddies from the "Luv Ya Blue" era. For the 10-year anniversary of the Renfro/Pittsburgh fiasco we ran around and interviewed a bunch of players and coaches from the team.  I remember we were interviewing Earl and I recall he enjoyed hearing that a buddy of mine lived across the street from him on Candle Lane in Southwest Houston and that no one believes me when I tell them that Earl used to mow his own yard.  

Anyway, Bob was talking to Earl about Tim Wilson, his former fullback. Tim had some off the field issues and they were fairly well known by then.  Earl started talking about vices and drugs/alcohol.  Off the cuff Bob blurted out"what's your vice, Earl?"  Without pause Earl simply gave a one-word reply referencing a part of female anatomy.  Without being told I copied the video to another tape, left out that answer, and destroyed the original.  Earl was family to Bob.

There's a picture out there somewhere of Earl running into Bevo when he was at Texas.  Well, Earl didn't actually run into Bevo.  He ran into Buz Webb, who was a photographer for KHOU -11 at the time and our photographer for all my years at KTRK.  The momentum carried Buz into Bevo.  I remember Earl and Buz laughing about that every time I saw them together.  Buz claimed Earl got all the accolades and that he took the worst of both Earl and Bevo, and that he preferred  being hit by Bevo.

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Bob Allen and Earl were good buddies from the "Luv Ya Blue" era. For the 10-year anniversary of the Renfro/Pittsburgh fiasco we ran around and interviewed a bunch of players and coaches from the team.  I remember we were interviewing Earl and I recall he enjoyed hearing that a buddy of mine lived across the street from him on Candle Lane in Southwest Houston and that no one believes me when I tell them that Earl used to mow his own yard.  
Anyway, Bob was talking to Earl about Tim Wilson, his former fullback. Tim had some off the field issues and they were fairly well known by then.  Earl started talking about vices and drugs/alcohol.  Off the cuff Bob blurted out"what's your vice, Earl?"  Without pause Earl simply gave a one-word reply referencing a part of female anatomy.  Without being told I copied the video to another tape, left out that answer, and destroyed the original.  Earl was family to Bob.
There's a picture out there somewhere of Earl running into Bevo when he was at Texas.  Well, Earl didn't actually run into Bevo.  He ran into Buz Webb, who was a photographer for KHOU -11 at the time and our photographer for all my years at KTRK.  The momentum carried Buz into Bevo.  I remember Earl and Buz laughing about that every time I saw them together.  Buz claimed Earl got all the accolades and that he took the worst of both Earl and Bevo, and that he preferred  being hit by Bevo.
KITIRIK did you ever meet KITIRIK?
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1 hour ago, 4th&Five said:

same.  bought it in middle school for Earl to sign at one of those mall signings and got there and it was like $50 for an autograph so i just stared at him for a few minutes and left.

Jr and I used to try and collect all the teams but some would change soon after we bought their helmet.  I believe jr still has the Jaguars original design mini helmet. 

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22 hours ago, closetojumping said:

 

If I'm being totally honest, I guess I quit on the Oilers the day of the Bills game. That's how I've really always seen it. I only paid passing attention after that. I was a young teenager. We watched the whole game, of course, and I watched my father melt all the way down - moaning, pulling at his hair, jumping up and down and screaming violent shit at the tv, and then a buddy and I went to the indoor batting cages.

I came home about 3 hours later and the living room was dimly lit with the tv off. My mother, who doesn't tolerate much bullshit about sports bringing the atmosphere down, pulled me aside when I came in and told me to just leave my father alone and he'd be better tomorrow. "Um, okay, mom. Where is he?" My Mother: "He hasn't moved. He's still sitting right where we was when you left. You didn't see him when you came in?" I walked back around the corner and sure enough, he was still sitting with one leg across his lap, chin resting on a fist propped up by an elbow, with a 1000 yard stare in the direction of the tv. Woke up the next day and he was fine. It was years before we spoke of that game in the apartment.

My grandfather had been a season ticket holder since the inaugural season in Houston.  After the Bills game, he refused to renew and never watched another Oilers game - in person or on TV - for the rest of his life.  He died a few years after they moved to Tennessee. Thanks Bud.

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.  Earl started talking about vices and drugs/alcohol.  Off the cuff Bob blurted out"what's your vice, Earl?"  Without pause Earl simply gave a one-word reply referencing a part of female anatomy.  Without being told I copied the video to another tape, left out that answer, and destroyed the original.  Earl was family to Bob.

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Mulva?

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I was a massive Oilers fan as a kid and up thru leaving for Tennessee. One of the late 70's O-line guys went our church (St Cyril's) and every Sun the folk group would end mass with the Houston Oilers song. Fucking great. Best freakin' uniforms ever. I have an Oilers helmet phone that was actually used during one of the late 80's drafts.

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