2020 Coaching Staff

[texifornia 57557]

10 minutes ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said:

So at this point we’re looking at.

 

HC - Tommy

OC/QB - Yurchic

RB - Drayton (for now)

WR - Coleman *

TE -  ??

OL - Hand 

DC/S -  Ash

DL - Okam/Partridge* and Giles

LB -  Smith/Huxtable*

CB - Valai

 

* based on latest rumors 

Well based on how WR and CB went, I assume those two fun, properly experienced DL coach hires are going to turn us down.

[MonkeyDoughnut 10487]

Well... I can say I like our coaching list now way better than I did this time last year. 

All in all I like the OC/DC hires and if the other guys can at least recruit and somewhat coach (or at least not negatively coach them) I'm ok with things.

** ducks **

[The Earl of Texas 3187]

8 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Well... I can say I like our coaching list now way better than I did this time last year. 

All in all I like the OC/DC hires and if the other guys can at least recruit and somewhat coach (or at least not negatively coach them) I'm ok with things.

** ducks **

I think most will agree with you, but the heat coming your way would be because you’re “settling” for “comfort hires” instead of reeling in nothing but elite position coaches. Sadly upgrade from old staff wouldn’t been too hard.

[Tex Pete 21051]

I don’t think Coleman is a bad pick at all.

I’m amazed how some of you are able to keep up the blind rage day after day. I don’t necessarily like the way all of this has gone down, but I can still see straight. I’m pretty sure we’re a long way from Charlie Strong kicking us in the balls day after day for three years, even if we aren’t where we all want the program to be. 

[Not a Sock 2344]

28 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Well... I can say I like our coaching list now way better than I did this time last year. 

All in all I like the OC/DC hires and if the other guys can at least recruit and somewhat coach (or at least not negatively coach them) I'm ok with things.

** ducks **

Yeah fuck shooting for elite coaching, as long as they are a marginal improvement over the wet shit of a coaching staff they are replacing what more could a program like Texas ask for?

[Schulz2.0 29069]

4 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

I don’t think Coleman is a bad pick at all.

I’m amazed how some of you are able to keep up the blind rage day after day. I don’t necessarily like the way all of this has gone down, but I can still see straight. I’m pretty sure we’re a long way from Charlie Strong kicking us in the balls day after day for three years, even if we aren’t where we all want the program to be. 

The board already decided after the Valai hire that this is their default mode.

[bschoolprof 6281]

In certain contexts, one could make the case that this process and resultant staff are nothing to freak out over.  One such context might be if this were Herman's first staff and one has to give a new guy some freedom to bring in who he wants and feels comfortable with.  I think that's a poor argument, and I've heard it many times, it's generally bullshit, but I can sorta see it.  Another might be if we are resource constrained.  We are not, so that doesn't fly. 

Finally, if our HC had a proven track record of finding diamonds in the rough or assembling top staffs that did not appear to be top staffs at first blush, then we should be cutting him some slack.  But Herman has not earned the benefit of the doubt.  To the contrary, he has generally shown himself to be terrible in evaluating subordinate coaches and in managing their performance.  This is his last chance - the hail mary.  That's the context we are operating in now.  So all this bullshit about "I don't think these hires are really that bad" have to be evaluated in that context.  And in that context, that's an astoundingly retarded take.  This should be an all-out, almost desperate, leaving-no-stone-unturned talent search.  It's Tom's last stand - he better win and win now or he's out as early as next year. And what do we get?  Complacency and cronyism, which have sadly become hallmarks on the Herman era.  

Oh well, as some one said upthread, the good news is it seems Herman is doing almost everything in his power to fuck up his last chance quickly so we can move on to the new guy.  

[6th Street 6609]

51 minutes ago, BurntOrangeBlooded15 said:

So at this point we’re looking at.

 

HC - Tommy

OC/QB - Yurchic

RB - Drayton (for now)

WR - Coleman *

TE -  ??

OL - Hand 

DC/S -  Ash

DL - Okam/Partridge* and Giles

LB -  Smith/Huxtable*

CB - Valai

 

* based on latest rumors 

TE - Rutgers fired coach from 2019

[Pato del Muerto 52975]

12 minutes ago, Tex Pete said:

 

I’m amazed how some of you are able to keep up the blind rage day after day...blah blah blah...we aren’t where we all want the program to be. 

Answered your own question, corch pete. 

Edited January 11, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[gmr548 16645]

Coleman- not retained by KSU
Ash- fired by Rutgers
Valai- not retained by Rutgers
Yurcich- maybe a real pull but not per Bucknuts
Huxtable(if true)- fired from NCSU
looks like if you want to know who’s next, limit your speculation to guys fired or not retained.   So we get Okam if the new Baylor guy doesn’t want him.  What TE coach has recently been fired?

This is a little disingenuous in that Coleman wasn't retained as OC, he'd be taking a lower position here. Same for the NC State guy. Okam doesn't even have a HC right now. Idgaf what some Ohio State board says, the QB coach who coached Justin Fields to the year he just had didn't do a bad job.

This process sucks but the hysteria on here over some of these moves is a little much.

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[crash_davis 23175]

How about we fire Herman now and hire Kyle Shanahan for $7-8M/ year. Fuck all this shuffling deck chairs on the SS Titanic captained by mensa Herman.

[6th Street 6609]

Herman hiring coaches like he's sorting thru 3s and 4s at the bar at 159AM

[Schulz2.0 29069]

3 minutes ago, crash_davis said:

How about we fire Herman now and hire Kyle Shanahan for $7-8M/ year. Fuck all this shuffling deck chairs on the SS Titanic captained by mensa Herman.

Because Shanahan has no interest in coaching at the college level?

[Richter 2307]

1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

That guy they had reporting to me? SydneyCarton, for fucks sake. There’s no way they interviewed him. I think he was delivering something to the front desk, asked what was going on there, said he’d be interested in getting a job there and the receptionist hired him on the spot and sent him in to report in a VP’s office. 

Herman’s conducting a less sophisticated process than that. 

Love always finds a way.

[Lhorn 5045]

51 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Well... I can say I like our coaching list now way better than I did this time last year. 

All in all I like the OC/DC hires and if the other guys can at least recruit and somewhat coach (or at least not negatively coach them) I'm ok with things.

** ducks **

I don't disagree with this.  Maybe they aren't "wow" hires, but it's not like the bar to improve upon the previous staff is all that high either.  They can easily be meh hires and end up as an improvement.  

It's also fair to say that there are guys who we would have turned our noses up at in the past who torched our asses with much lesser talent - like anyone coaching under Snyder.

 

If in the end they all suck and we step backwards, Herman is not gonna be here long and we get to try again.  Unfortunately he was not in a position to lure in a murderers row of assistants.  Still pretty unimpressive though.  

[crash_davis 23175]

3 minutes ago, Schulz2.0 said:

Because Shanahan has no interest in coaching at the college level?

1. Convince him$$$$$$.

2. Bring back his buddy Chris Sims

3. Proclaim that Chris Sims was better than Opie.

4. Profit

[Neonmoon 38130]

28 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Complacency and cronyism, which have sadly become hallmarks on the Herman era. of Texas the past 10 years 

It’s really sad watching the program settle for mediocrity year after year. Everyone is too busy riding the money train. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

34 minutes ago, bschoolprof said:

Complacency and cronyism, which have sadly become hallmarks on the Herman era.  

I think he’s getting a lot of doors slammed in his face and is panicking because he needs a staff in place so he’s hiring guys that will say yes.

we were never not fucked on this circus. Hopefully it’ll be over soon and we can watch a couple of interviews with the new coaches and spend the offseason convincing ourselves we have everything in place to win the conference and make a playoff run.

Edited January 11, 2020 by DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt
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[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

14 minutes ago, 6th Street said:

Herman hiring coaches like he's sorting thru 3s and 4s at the bar at 159AM

This is basically what happened. He spent the prime hours talking to his buds while working up the liquor courage. Took some stabs at some 8s and 9s, they laughed, and it’s closing time.

[Butch Had Not 3020]

God damnit.  Sometimes I wish I didn't red pill myself by joining the internet. 

[RGBIII 22843]

[Schulz2.0 29069]

2 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

I think he’s getting a lot of doors slammed in his face and is panicking because he needs a staff in place so he’s hiring guys that will say yes.

we were never fucked on this circus. Hopefully it’ll be over soon and we can watch a couple of interviews with the new coaches and spend the offseason convincing ourselves we have everything in place to win the conference and make a playoff run.

I think its pretty clear Jones turned us down and used the interest to get a raise and new title. The buyout excuse was likely just spin. I wouldn't be surprised if Carrier declined our interest as well.

That being said, Coleman has a reputation as being a really good WR coach. The biggest question is how good of a recruiter he actually is.

[hookem48 4718]

2 hours ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Just on the merits he's a really good candidate (6 years as a position coach for Snyder - he clearly knows how to coach) - he's got experience as a player in college and the NFL, position coach experience, and has produced good WR's at Kansas St.  But the fact that the previous WR coaches were fired a month ago - and we're just now going to hire the guy already on staff?  Ugh.

 

so Herman should have just hired him and not talked to anyone else?

[texifornia 57557]

Just now, hookem48 said:

so Herman should have just hired him and not talked to anyone else?

It doesn't take 6 weeks to do a quick round of "yo, you interested?" with your priority guys.

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

When you step away from the thread for two days and come back to what feels like Big Tex setting himself on fire. Not sure how this thread hasn’t imploded.

[RGBIII 22843]

TFB update says don’t expect TE coach till after NSD2. I’m guessing it’s either an NFL guy or more likely so Carrington can stay on the road

[Yesh 934]

I predict these hires are just good enough to get us to 10-2 and Big12 championship in 2020, but not good enough to prevent us from going 8-4 in 2021.

[Revolution512 1510]

2 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Counterpoint: The guy will defer to an unimpressive candidate he worked with for exactly 1 season almost a decade ago over doing to legitimate search for candidates that are actually, you know, good. 

You’re under the impression Herman has pull.....you should look in the mirror. You’re getting dumber

[BurntOrange&White 40745]

Honestly, fuck Herman

[Michael Knight 13094]

i'm trying real hard to maintain patience,  let the process finish... but jesus christ its getting harder and harder 

[LTtxfan 49456]

2 minutes ago, texifornia said:

It doesn't take 6 weeks to do a quick round of "yo, you interested?" with your priority guys.

But since hiring Yrrrrrcich took so long, Mensa had to wait on the WR assistant coach hire until early Jan 2020...

[ClubWhatever 12178]

Under the category of duh, this process can’t really be like the corporate hiring process in the sense that basically any risk of the hire not working out is unacceptable.  In the corporate world you can and do accept more risk because you can hide problem employees or process them out various ways or just outright fire them and replace them at any time.  Basically you can hire someone without being 100% sure they can do a good job and not be a cancer.   If a coach creates issues during the season or can’t coach like you want, there’s really no non-disruptive recourse, and the impact on the operation is potentially fatal.  So for good reason there’s a very strong bias for getting people you absolutely know can coach and get along with you and your other coaches.  All that said, I agree that it seems he’s having trouble getting yeses out of some of his more preferred guys.  

[SydneyCarton 48533]

11 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Under the category of duh, this process can’t really be like the corporate hiring process in the sense that basically any risk of the hire not working out is unacceptable.  In the corporate world you can and do accept more risk because you can hide problem employees or process them out various ways or just outright fire them and replace them at any time.  Basically you can hire someone without being 100% sure they can do a good job and not be a cancer.   If a coach creates issues during the season or can’t coach like you want, there’s really no non-disruptive recourse, and the impact on the operation is potentially fatal.  So for good reason there’s a very strong bias for getting people you absolutely know can coach and get along with you and your other coaches.  All that said, I agree that it seems he’s having trouble getting yeses out of some of his more preferred guys.  

That’s all very fair and reasonable. How did it work out with the last staff of guys he brought in, specifically in regards to Knowing their ability to coach? How about getting along with the players? 

[UDontKnow 10515]

18 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

But since hiring Yrrrrrcich took so long, Mensa had to wait on the WR assistant coach hire until early Jan 2020...

Herman should have been looking to hire a new OC immediately after replacing Beck. His arrogance and reticence to make changes has set off a cascade of suboptimal outcomes.

[Rimbo 26482]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

This is why half measures don’t work. Either Texas is radioactive because we are about to fire herman in a year or two, or we left the lead inmate in charge of the asylum and expected different results than 3 years ago. 
 

we plain suck at the administration of the athletic department.  Every aspect of it. 

So, this has been covered already, and I see it's not one of the options you're considering: We're giving Tom rope to hang himself. He either does the job he 's being paid millions to do, or he exposes himself as being in over his head. The point here is that a good AD shows that he's going to give his coaches the tools they need to succeed, so that when we hire Tom's replacement, the best people want the job -- so that they can work with CDC.

1 hour ago, Tex Pete said:

I’m amazed how some of you are able to keep up the blind rage day after day.

This is the way.

[Rimbo 26482]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That’s all very fair and reasonable. How did it work out with the last staff of guys he brought in, specifically in regards to Knowing their ability to coach? How about getting along with the players? 

Alignment!

It's not just part of your D&D character sheet.

Edited January 12, 2020 by Rimbo

[Aldo Raine 122]

TFB update says don’t expect TE coach till after NSD2. I’m guessing it’s either an NFL guy or more likely so Carrington can stay on the road

I’m expect it the worst case....
Everyone welcome back Bruce Chambers!

[Neonmoon 38130]

21 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

In the corporate world you can and do accept more risk because you can hide problem employees or process them out various ways or just outright fire them and replace them at any time.

While technically true, nothing could be further from the truth in the corporate world. It takes an act of Congress to fire someone even if they deserve it. 

[Sgt Hulk 14114]

isn't there anymore Rutgers coaches we can poach

[hookem48 4718]

18 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

That’s all very fair and reasonable. How did it work out with the last staff of guys he brought in, specifically in regards to Knowing their ability to coach? How about getting along with the players? 

so he's trying to actually get it right this time?

[RomaVicta 30149]

6 hours ago, closetojumping said:

Fuck off with the whining. You’re here because you can’t help yourself and you enjoy it. Just be honest about it. 

 

[Ricky's one-hitter 9261]

So at this point we’re looking at.
 
HC - Tommy
OC/QB - Yurchic
RB - Drayton (for now)
WR - Coleman *
TE -  ??
OL - Hand 
DC/S -  Ash
DL - Okam/Partridge* and Giles
LB -  Smith/Huxtable*
CB - Valai
 
* based on latest rumors 

I have been defeated.

[RomaVicta 30149]

6 hours ago, Not a Sock said:

Get over yourself, nothing is more obnoxious then the posters who spend time on this board while at the exact same time act as if they are above the fray. If all you want is information then go follow the Texas football twitter and await the official announcement. 

I see your understanding of the word obnoxious is on par with your understanding of caring.

Let's see how you do with irony.

Compliments.

 

[Viper 12160]

3 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

SydneyCarton was your delivery/personal errand/whipping boy???

Was?

[lemonandaturd 4285]

Someone named Huxtable should coach at Baylor.  

[Bevo 13660]

49 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

Herman should have been looking to hire a new OC immediately after replacing Beck. His arrogance and reticence to make changes has set off a cascade of suboptimal outcomes.

Same with Meh. They both should have been gone after their first season along with Warehime. This season, he could have replaced Orlando and this whole circus that we are seeing would have never happened.

[gmr548 16645]

I love it when Surly starts making corporate analogies and using buzzwords when discussing a coaching search.

[sith_horn 2407]

[Rockethorn1978 6154]

I’m not sure why everyone is surprised, Herman was forced to make changes and he didn’t think any needed to be made. I got negged to oblivion after he “demoted” his butt buddy instead of firing him and I even said he would end up making comfort hires. The only hire I’m remotely excited about is Yurrich and then I remember he has Herman telling him all season how dumb he is and how smart he is and i get pissed.

so other than yurrich Herman has done fucking jack shit with this roster. The only way CDC will redeem himself is if he hits a grand slam with the next few major sports hires. 

[Pato del Muerto 52975]

5 minutes ago, sith_horn said:

Handle/avatar/post alignment on lock. But you didn’t need to be a Sith Lord to predict this calamity.