Is Tulsi Gabbard A Russian Asset?

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

This thread title is the perfect troll bait.  You get a little bit of everything that’s gone wrong in our politics over the last four years.

[RDCanecutter 26475]

15 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This thread title is the perfect troll bait.  You get a little bit of everything that’s gone wrong in our politics over the last four years.

How do y'all feel about Francisco Franco vs Andrew Jackson?

[Anastasis 23484]

17 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This thread title is the perfect troll bait.  You get a little bit of everything that’s gone wrong in our politics over the last four years.

About time You looked in the mirror. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

2 minutes ago, RDCanecutter said:

How do y'all feel about Francisco Franco vs Andrew Jackson?

Franco was easily the better general but Jackson was the better dictator.

[Guest Lobo]

21 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

Edited October 20, 2019 by Lobo

[Guest Lobo]

Just a completely convenient occurrence and just Hillary accuses Tulsi of treasonous activities, some of them along the lines of the same shit she’s said about Trump.  And Tulsi just happens to be the one candidate/target of her bullshit who also happens to be the same person that her husband tried to fuck three years ago?

[Grandioso 2592]

This is awesome. Karl Rove weighs in. Hillary literally makes people insane. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/karl-rove-tells-hillary-clinton-to-put-up-or-shut-up-over-tulsi-gabbard-accusations

[Anastasis 23484]

Wait. Big dog tried to raw dog tulsi. Lol. Of course. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

At least Tulsi isn’t saying shit like this. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

 

These are the easy #1 and #2 spots.  Things all become a bit jumbled after that. 

You are waging a war of dipshittery.

You routinely complain that people don’t engage in your self imposed substantive debate and when they attempt to do, you post a gif.

You’re just a troll. Nothing more.

[cactusflinthead 27604]

 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13587]

It's just such a weird hill to defend, man.

[Anastasis 23484]

18 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

You routinely complain that people don’t engage in your self imposed substantive debate and when they attempt to do, you post a gif.

You’re just a troll. Nothing more.

When you can’t engage in anything else do the ad hominem thing. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

5 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

This thread title is the perfect troll bait.  You get a little bit of everything that’s gone wrong in our politics over the last four years.

Only the last 4 years ?  Seriously only 4 years ??

[Tom 2959]

I don't know a lot about Tulsi, but I'm just glad we now have a strong leader and no longer bow and apologize to Russia.

 

 

[maninblack 7974]

Colin Powell should be sent to the Hague

Long fucking list of US politicians right there with him

[maninblack 7974]

This is where you routinely get over your skis.  Let's take your post at face value:  Russia is not the biggest offender when it comes to interfering in US elections.  OK, fine.  I'll assume you're referring to China, among others.
You're basically waging a war of snobbery -- YOU DON'T STUDY AS MUCH AS I DO -- which essentially tells those who only have so much time to keep up with foreign affairs that they don't matter, because they're concerned about Russian influence, and you (giggle giggle) know more.
How about you use that big fucking brain and educate us on your advanced knowledge instead of being a smug prick constantly trying to make others feel bad about their legitimately earned perspectives, given their limited time and the constant bombardment of the media?  I mean, forget the fact that you often get totally twisted up with your hyper-libertarian views.  Let's say you're right.  Do you want to be right and lose or right and win?
For fuck's sake.  Which side are you on?

Do we care about US interference in other countries elections/affairs?

[bad_teammate 13224]

Part of Hillary's desire to accuse Tulsi of being a sleeper agent is that she wants to promote the narrative of the 3rd party spoiler. In her mind, she won the election and it was stolen by (1) Russia and (2) Jill Stein/Bernie Sanders. The reality, of course, is that Gary Johnson took way more votes from Trump than Stein or Bernie took from Hillary (Bernie took zero, of course, because he wasn't even running).

- Trump lost New Hampshire to Clinton by 3k votes. Johnson got 30k. Trump gets 10% of Johnson's voters there and he takes NH.

- Michigan: Trump won by 10k. People point to Stein's 51k vote count and whine about 3rd party spoilers, but Johnson got 172k in Michigan. Hillary could have gotten 100% of Stein's vote and Trump would've only needed 25% of Johnson's to still win.

-  Wisconsin: Trump won by 23k. Stein got 31k, so if 90% of Stein's voters went to Clinton, Clinton wins. But Johnson got 106k, so Trump would've only needed 10% to overcome the Clinton+100%-Stein deficit and still win.

- Pennsylvania: Trump won by 45k. Stein got 50k. Johnson got 147k. Give Hillary every single Stein vote and Trump only needs 4% of Johnson's to still win.

- Florida: Give Hillary every single Stein vote and she still loses by more than 50k.

If you eliminate 3rd party candidates and make it Democrat v. Republican only, Hillary's loss probably would have been worse.

Hillary was a historically awful candidate and she lost in the most humiliating fashion imaginable, and a desperate need to run away from that reality has deranged her mind and millions of lib minds.

Jill Stein didn't cost Hillary the election, Hillary herself and 2+ decades of garbage centrist Dem politics did.
The Russians didn't cost Hillary the election,  Hillary herself and 2+ decades of garbage centrist Dem politics did.

The party died nationwide while the Clintons hung out on pedophile rape islands and Goldman Sachs speaking engagements and Obama read David Brooks columns and dreamed of a future where everyone was a tech entrepreneur while the fascist, theocratic scum Republicans captured every lever of power within reach despite being profoundly unpopular.

Good riddance to Hillary. Stay gone.

Tulsi isn't even a has been. She's a never was and never will be. Pointless to even think about her.

[bad_teammate 13224]

lol Hillary cancelled interviews with Ronan Farrow to try to get him to drop the Weinstein story

bUt ThE rUsSiAns!!

[GW Hayduke 1953]

Some here are going to really really great lengths to bend backwards and defend Tulsi. Kind of weird. Haven’t seen this since Assange. Strange.

[bad_teammate 13224]

Give me a specific thing Tulsi has done and I'll be happy to address it in context.

I think she sucks, so be prepared for a lot of "Yeah that's a shitty opinion of hers, she sucks."

[Js1 85585]

Welp found the new Hillary thread. Guess the old one got cancelled. Amazing y’all can’t just ignore her and move on with your lives. 

[bad_teammate 13224]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

Welp found the new Hillary thread. Guess the old one got cancelled. Amazing y’all can’t just ignore her and move on with your lives. 

She's free to shut up and go away, but she doesn't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[triplehorn 2664]

15 hours ago, bad_teammate said:

Tulsi hired a PR guy who worked with Russians? That's what PR guys do.

Hillary's campaign was run by John Podesta of the Podesta Group, a lobbying/PA firm investigated by Mueller for its Eastern European connections/activities. And they run operations for Wal-mart, Bank of America, and other organizations more evil than Russia.

Tulsi sucks. That's the end of it.

 

The Podesta comparison seems inapt.  Insofar as Podesta wasn't linked to doing work for Russia and Russian agents like Natalia V of Trump Tower infamy like Chris Cooper is, this specific work to promote Tulsi by Chris Cooper was paid for by an invisible hand:

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"Asked who paid him to write the letter to Honolulu Magazine, Cooper likewise did not respond to Hawai’i Free Press.

Gabbard’s FEC records and the Congressional Statement of Disbursements for the timeframe show no payment of campaign funds or Congressional office funds to Cooper or Potomac Square.  Neither Gabbard nor her office responded to our query."

 

Same deal with Tulsi hashtag trending to #1 - it was bot driven.  Bots are not generated and coordinated with equal distribution by global actors.  It been weaponized for propaganda and sow division with a select origin.

Doesn't prove she's a Russian asset in the strict sense of the word, but now we're at the end of 2019, not 2016, and denial and playing dumb don't fly.

 

[triplehorn 2664]

Here's a game.  A Scooby snack for anyone who can give three examples of Gabbard being critical of Putin/Russia to promote her policy views.  Three examples to counter these where she praises Putin/Russia as a means to attack our own. 

weird huh.

[Grandioso 2592]

BUT SHE'S A VETERAN!!! Veterans are unimpeachable, except for maybe General Flynn who attended an RT Propaganda Gala and was secretly on Turkey's payroll and promising Russia's ambassador that sanctions would promptly be "ripped up" while serving as a National Security Advisor-in-waiting.

[Js1 85585]

3 minutes ago, Grandioso said:

BUT SHE'S A VETERAN!!! Veterans are unimpeachable, except for maybe General Flynn who attended an RT Propaganda Gala and was secretly on Turkey's payroll and promising Russia's ambassador that sanctions would promptly be "ripped up" while serving as a National Security Advisor-in-waiting.

The OKC bomber was a veteran. So he’s actually a hero who can’t be criticized. 

[Js1 85585]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

She's free to shut up and go away, but she doesn't.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This is still America, the land of free speech. She can talk if she wants and she knows internet dorks will rush to message boards to bitch about it. Living rent free. 

[Tom 2959]

5 hours ago, maninblack said:

Do we care about US interference in other countries elections/affairs?

 

Are you inferring that by us interfering in other countries' affairs you're okay with other countries that wish us harm meddling in ours?  

[Js1 85585]

6 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

Are you inferring that by us interfering in other countries' affairs you're okay with other countries that wish us harm meddling in ours?  

What, you think we’re so innocent? 

[Grandioso 2592]

3 minutes ago, Tom said:

 

Are you inferring that by us interfering in other countries' affairs you're okay with other countries that wish us harm meddling in ours?  

You see, two wrongs make a right. If you can demonstrate the person making the argument is a hypocrite, the argument becomes invalid. Had Jeffrey Epstein come out against pedophilia, his hypocrisy would have demonstrated that pedophilia is, in fact, quite acceptable. Additionally, so long as we demonstrate that celebrities fly in private jets that consume fossil fuels, we don't have to worry about global warming.

[bad_teammate 13224]

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

The Podesta comparison seems inapt.  Insofar as Podesta wasn't linked to doing work for Russia and Russian agents like Natalia V of Trump Tower infamy like Chris Cooper is, this specific work to promote Tulsi by Chris Cooper was paid for by an invisible hand:

The singular, laser focus on Russia as the vector of improper influence is telling.

Remember when Manafort was working with Ukraine and didn't register as a foreign lobbyist? Know who was right next to him? Tony Podesta, John's brother.

It's a swamp. Hillary and Tulsi are creatures in that swamp, and Hillary is dirtier than Tulsi (by far).

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Same deal with Tulsi hashtag trending to #1 - it was bot driven.  Bots are not generated and coordinated with equal distribution by global actors.  It been weaponized for propaganda and sow division with a select origin.

You know who else does that? Our "allies".

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt
Israel

Should we demand long-winded renunciations from every politician who has ever supported the same policies as those nations? Should we accuse them of being puppets, agents, and stooges of those nations?

36 minutes ago, Grandioso said:

BUT SHE'S A VETERAN!!! Veterans are unimpeachable, except for maybe General Flynn who attended an RT Propaganda Gala and was secretly on Turkey's payroll and promising Russia's ambassador that sanctions would promptly be "ripped up" while serving as a National Security Advisor-in-waiting.

I don't care about Tulsi's veteran status all that much, it just elevates the level of Clinton's claims and puts in relief how bizarre it is for someone in Clinton's position to say something like this while presenting zero evidence.

It's extremely bizarre for a former Secretary of State and twice-failed presidential candidate to accuse, within her own party, a sitting Congresswomen and veteran of being an agent of an adversary. I can't think of a historical precedent.

Again, with zero evidence.

30 minutes ago, Js1 said:

This is still America, the land of free speech. She can talk if she wants and she knows internet dorks will rush to message boards to bitch about it. Living rent free. 

Imagine stanning this hard for Hillary Clinton. lol

Edited October 20, 2019 by bad_teammate

[jimmyjazz 46176]

40 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

It's extremely bizarre for a former Secretary of State and twice-failed presidential candidate to accuse, within her own party, a sitting Congresswomen and veteran of being an agent of an adversary.

Point of fact:  Hillary accused Tulsi of being a Russian ASSET, not AGENT.  She made no implications that Tulsi was actively colluding with Russians.  The distinction is important -- in this vernacular, an asset can be unwitting and in the dark.

I remain aghast that our Libertarian friends don't give a shit that Russia continues to meddle in our elections.  BUT HILLARY.  You should try listening to her sometime.

[triplehorn 2664]

9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Point of fact:  Hillary accused Tulsi of being a Russian ASSET, not AGENT.  She made no implications that Tulsi was actively colluding with Russians.  The distinction is important -- in this vernacular, an asset can be unwitting and in the dark.

I remain aghast that our Libertarian friends don't give a shit that Russia continues to meddle in our elections.  BUT HILLARY.  You should try listening to her sometime.

Right?  No one here is a Clinton apologist.  And in contrast to pre-2016, FARA violations are now taken as very serious matter, in actuality, as a result of the unprecedented attack by Russia on and foreign interference in our 2016 election.  We ARE in different times today, not entirely dissimilar from post-9/11, and for Gabbard to play dumb rope-a-dope with this shit is a telltale flashing red beacon.  She needs to leave.

[Js1 85585]

1 hour ago, bad_teammate said:

The singular, laser focus on Russia as the vector of improper influence is telling.

Remember when Manafort was working with Ukraine and didn't register as a foreign lobbyist? Know who was right next to him? Tony Podesta, John's brother.

It's a swamp. Hillary and Tulsi are creatures in that swamp, and Hillary is dirtier than Tulsi (by far).

You know who else does that? Our "allies".

Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt
Israel

Should we demand long-winded renunciations from every politician who has ever supported the same policies as those nations? Should we accuse them of being puppets, agents, and stooges of those nations?

I don't care about Tulsi's veteran status all that much, it just elevates the level of Clinton's claims and puts in relief how bizarre it is for someone in Clinton's position to say something like this while presenting zero evidence.

It's extremely bizarre for a former Secretary of State and twice-failed presidential candidate to accuse, within her own party, a sitting Congresswomen and veteran of being an agent of an adversary. I can't think of a historical precedent.

Again, with zero evidence.

Imagine stanning this hard for Hillary Clinton. lol

Lol laughing at your emotional inability to not immediately run to a Hillary thread = stanning. Your brain worms are showing. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

 

[BrickHorn 18285]

 

11 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

No puppet.  No puppet.

[Biff Tannen 45743]

35 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

[bad_teammate 13224]

1 hour ago, jimmyjazz said:

Point of fact:  Hillary accused Tulsi of being a Russian ASSET, not AGENT.  She made no implications that Tulsi was actively colluding with Russians.  The distinction is important -- in this vernacular, an asset can be unwitting and in the dark.

I guess Hillary was/is a Saudi asset then, right?

yes/no, please

1 hour ago, triplehorn said:

We ARE in different times today, not entirely dissimilar from post-9/11, and for Gabbard to play dumb rope-a-dope with this shit is a telltale flashing red beacon.  She needs to leave.

Hillary losing an election

9/11

lol

[jimmyjazz 46176]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

I guess Hillary was/is a Saudi asset then, right?

yes/no, please

Possibly.  Did they use her as a tool?  What does this have to do with Tulsi Gabbard?  Nothing?  OK then.

[bad_teammate 13224]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

Possibly.  Did they use her as a tool?

Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton Foundation tens of millions of dollars and, while Secretary of State, Clinton repeatedly declined the opportunity to decry Saudi abuse of women/others and pressed forward the sale of billions of dollars in arms used to murder innocent people. In the WikiLeaks e-mail she outright admitted that Saudi was held to a different standard.

Is that an asset to the House of Saud or not? yes/no

6 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

What does this have to do with Tulsi Gabbard?

Just trying to figure out exactly what you're accusing her of.

46 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

"There have been no roll call votes related to this bill."

The Global Magnitsky Act of 2016 never went to the House floor as a standalone bill. It was folded into 2017 National Defense Authorization Act. She was 1 of 142 Democrats to vote against it.

Was there another Global Magnitsky Act introduced to the House in the 114th Congress that went to the floor?

[bad_teammate 13224]

Add Beto to the pile as another asset.

 

 

[jimmyjazz 46176]

17 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Saudi Arabia gave the Clinton Foundation tens of millions of dollars and, while Secretary of State, Clinton repeatedly declined the opportunity to decry Saudi abuse of women/others and pressed forward the sale of billions of dollars in arms used to murder innocent people. In the WikiLeaks e-mail she outright admitted that Saudi was held to a different standard.

Is that an asset to the House of Saud or not? yes/no

I'd say "no".  I also don't care.  This thread is not about Hillary.  You're welcome (and encouraged) to reopen that one.

I'm also not accusing Tulsi Gabbard of being a Russian asset.  Read better.

[Bama Chick 28596]

I don’t give two shits about anything in this thread, I just wanted to say I was right off camera and behind the local Birmingham news reporter who asked Beto the question about Tulsi.

[bad_teammate 13224]

17 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I'd say "no".  I also don't care.  This thread is not about Hillary.

Would you say Tulsi is a Russian asset? yes/no

[jimmyjazz 46176]

18 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Would you say Tulsi is a Russian asset? yes/no

I have no idea.  Hillary Clinton sure seems to think so.  Are you going to stop asking stupid questions?  yes/no

[Hank Kingsley 21056]

Remember, none of this would be happening if Hillary didn’t speak out.

 

[Guest Lobo]

Why do we need foreign governments intervening in our democratic election system when we have our party leaders throwing underlings under the bus on a whim?   

cant wait until the Clintons call a meeting of the super delegates to sincerely express her deepest of concerns for the Republic.  Take a queue from Obama or Carter and shut the fuck up.  Also, news flash—-you were never President.  Our nation is having enough issues without your bullshit projections.  

[Grandioso 2592]

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[bad_teammate 13224]

40 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I have no idea.  Hillary Clinton sure seems to think so.  Are you going to stop asking stupid questions?  yes/no

This thread is not about Hillary.