Urban Meyer or bust

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

16 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Jay Hartzell would have to make the ultimate decision. Jay has ZERO political capital built up with the legislature. Starting in less than 10 weeks, the legislature is going to be pressed to find ways to reduce funding across the board. The publicly funded endowment to the UT System is already greater than all other public universities and colleges (including aggy) combined. The portion of the UT System publicly funded endowment dedicated to UT Austin is about 50%. UT Austin is already funded by taxpayers at a rate double of that of Texas A&M. Total revenue (per full-time student equivalent) at A&M is $31k/yr. At Prairie View - $28k. At Tech - $21k. U of H - $28k. Texas State - $18k. UT Austin - $55k. In total dollars, UT Austin receives about $2B more each year in public funding (fed and state) than A&M.

At some point during the 2012 legislative session, the political discussion of just how much UT Austin should be funded over every other public university in Texas will be brought up. The disparity is huge.

If, as one of his first meaningful decisions as UT Austin president, Jay Hartzell decides to blow $40 million to bring in (of all people )Urban Meyer, Jay Hartzell won't last as school president past the end of the spring semester.

one, unless he gets caught with a dead girl or live boy, yes, he will last past the spring semester

two, we're talking about hiring Urban Meyer, not Art Briles. I don't know what you think you know about Urban Meyer that would make this such a fainting-couch proposition, but whatever it is, it's not actually true. 

[bad_teammate 13195]

22 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

a big post that sucks

No.

[msucolt45 4059]

Stop peeing on our “hopes and dreams, RD”!!!!! Get back to pissing on aggy - thank you.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

14 minutes ago, DaysOff said:

None of that wall of verbal diarrhea has anything to do with how UT athletics and specifically football is funded.

Lol.

"If the alumni have $40 million to throw at Urban Meyer (of all people), then the alumni have $40 million to make up for legislative funding cuts so money obviously not needed at UT Austin can be used to fill the needs at other "less fortunate" schools."

That is exactly what will be the reaction of the legislature. If you think Jay Hartzell wants to fight that self-inflicted fight, you should think again.

Given a choice between a bunch of yahoos unhappy because the last $40 million coach they hired didn't work out and unhappy because they have to wait another year to again blow $40 million on a football coach, or a bunch of legislators who can easily steamroll Jay Hartzell over funding cuts and who are unhappy because Hartzell made a high profile hiring of a perceived sociopath a higher priority than managing the financial implications of the Covid pandemic, it's an easy choice.

I'm sorry, but the highest priority of the newly installed UT Austin president isn't going to be to make a high profile hiring of a sociopath (right before the legislature takes up the issue of funding at UT Austin) because "money is no object at UT Austin and the football needs to win more."

But please, continue to hope, pray and believe. its really hilarious that people think there is ANY chance Hartzell signs off on the sociopath/ career suicide option.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[crash_davis 23107]

20 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Lol.

The "urban or bust" people should save themselves the inevitable disappointment by working through how the mechanics of hiring Urban would work.

Jay Hartzell would have to make the ultimate decision. Jay has ZERO political capital built up with the legislature. Starting in less than 10 weeks, the legislature is going to be pressed to find ways to reduce funding across the board. The publicly funded endowment to the UT System is already greater than all other public universities and colleges (including aggy) combined. The portion of the UT System publicly funded endowment dedicated to UT Austin is about 50%. UT Austin is already funded by taxpayers at a rate double of that of Texas A&M. Total revenue (per full-time student equivalent) at A&M is $31k/yr. At Prairie View - $28k. At Tech - $21k. U of H - $28k. Texas State - $18k. UT Austin - $55k. In total dollars, UT Austin receives about $2B more each year in public funding (fed and state) than A&M.

At some point during the 2012 legislative session, the political discussion of just how much UT Austin should be funded over every other public university in Texas will be brought up. The disparity is huge.

If, as one of his first meaningful decisions as UT Austin president, Jay Hartzell decides to blow $40 million to bring in (of all people )Urban Meyer, Jay Hartzell won't last as school president past the end of the spring semester. In the current financial environment, spending tens of millions to bring in someone with an enormous ethical cloud over his head would be career and reputational suicide for Hartzell.

Remember when Tom Herman essentially told everyone to go fuck themselves because he was bringing Casey Horny onto the payroll? Well, Hartzell isn't going to make that same stupid mistake, and especially not on a massively higher level.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

Two of the cardinal rules of being UT Austin president as a) don't do massively stupid things in a very public was and b) don't needlessly waste political capital on meaningless issues. Hiring of Urban Meyer, for all its potential at winning football games, violates both of those rules. Jay Hartzell is not going to sacrifice his opportunity to be UT Austin president, and piss all the work he did to get to that position down the drain to hire Urban Meyer to be the football coach. Urban Meyer is considered a sociopath by people Jay Hartzell needs in his corner. As is Art Briles.

You just stated why UT is probably going to do everything it can to get Urban. The BMDs can help mitigate the decrease in state funding. If Hartzell/UTAustin really piss off the donors, well then that's the absolute worst thing that can happen to UT: dramatic decrease in funding from the state and the donor's check books are closed to donations.

[bad_teammate 13195]

Sounds like the smart move is for Hartzell to organize a matching set of donations to the academic side.

Thanks, Mortimer, I'll let Jay know at bunco tonight.

[LTtxfan 49181]

28 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Lol.   The "urban or bust" people should save themselves the inevitable disappointment by working through how the mechanics of hiring Urban would work.

Jay Hartzell would have to make the ultimate decision. Jay has ZERO political capital built up with the legislature. Starting in less than 10 weeks, the legislature is going to be pressed to find ways to reduce funding across the board. The publicly funded endowment to the UT System is already greater than all other public universities and colleges (including aggy) combined. The portion of the UT System publicly funded endowment dedicated to UT Austin is about 50%. UT Austin is already funded by taxpayers at a rate double of that of Texas A&M. Total revenue (per full-time student equivalent) at A&M is $31k/yr. At Prairie View - $28k. At Tech - $21k. U of H - $28k. Texas State - $18k. UT Austin - $55k. In total dollars, UT Austin receives about $2B more each year in public funding (fed and state) than A&M.

At some point during the 2012 legislative session, the political discussion of just how much UT Austin should be funded over every other public university in Texas will be brought up. The disparity is huge.

If, as one of his first meaningful decisions as UT Austin president, Jay Hartzell decides to blow $40 million to bring in (of all people )Urban Meyer, Jay Hartzell won't last as school president past the end of the spring semester. In the current financial environment, spending tens of millions to bring in someone with an enormous ethical cloud over his head would be career and reputational suicide for Hartzell.

Remember when Tom Herman essentially told everyone to go fuck themselves because he was bringing Casey Horny onto the payroll? Well, Hartzell isn't going to make that same stupid mistake, and especially not on a massively higher level.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

Two of the cardinal rules of being UT Austin president as a) don't do massively stupid things in a very public was and b) don't needlessly waste political capital on meaningless issues. Hiring of Urban Meyer, for all its potential at winning football games, violates both of those rules. Jay Hartzell is not going to sacrifice his opportunity to be UT Austin president, and piss all the work he did to get to that position down the drain to hire Urban Meyer to be the football coach. Urban Meyer is considered a sociopath by people Jay Hartzell needs in his corner. As is Art Briles.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

the state legislature is not doing to cut UT"s funding, dramatically or otherwise, in retaliation for us hiring a fucking football coach

[crash_davis 23107]

2 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Sounds like the smart move is for Hartzell to organize a matching set of donations to the academic side.

Thanks, Mortimer, I'll let Jay know at bunco tonight.

there's a little south end zone project that needs to be paid for. that shit aint coming from the academic side of the house.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Sounds like the smart move is for Hartzell to organize a matching set of donations to the academic side.

Thanks, Mortimer, I'll let Jay know at bunco tonight.

The legislature will gladly play the game of taking away as much public funding as the UT alumni want to privately fund. If money is no object at UT Austin, then there is a lot of public money that can be redirected from UT Austin to needy schools.

I'm just saying that some self-inflicted problems are worth not inflicting.

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2652]

2 hours ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Here are a list of people who negged the first post of this thread. 
 

 

God, what god damn losers 

[bad_teammate 13195]

5 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

The legislature will gladly play the game of taking away as much public funding as the UT alumni want to privately fund.

Can you think of an example of a time when the lege cut funding to UT because of how much UT received in donations?

[LTtxfan 49181]

4 minutes ago, bad_teammate said:

Can you think of an example of a time when the lege cut funding to UT because of how much UT received in donations?

Oh yah dun it now... RD going crazy in the Stacks!!

[ztejas 43419]

14 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

the state legislature is not doing to cut UT"s funding, dramatically or otherwise, in retaliation for us hiring a fucking football coach

Dead

[BabaYaga 15290]

4 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

Oh yah dun it now... RD going crazy in the Stacks!!

Wonder how big the folder on his computer marked "Ammunition, online arguments with Aggies" is?

Edited October 26, 2020 by BabaYaga

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

49 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Lol.

The "urban or bust" people should save themselves the inevitable disappointment by working through how the mechanics of hiring Urban would work.

Jay Hartzell would have to make the ultimate decision. Jay has ZERO political capital built up with the legislature. Starting in less than 10 weeks, the legislature is going to be pressed to find ways to reduce funding across the board. The publicly funded endowment to the UT System is already greater than all other public universities and colleges (including aggy) combined. The portion of the UT System publicly funded endowment dedicated to UT Austin is about 50%. UT Austin is already funded by taxpayers at a rate double of that of Texas A&M. Total revenue (per full-time student equivalent) at A&M is $31k/yr. At Prairie View - $28k. At Tech - $21k. U of H - $28k. Texas State - $18k. UT Austin - $55k. In total dollars, UT Austin receives about $2B more each year in public funding (fed and state) than A&M.

At some point during the 2012 legislative session, the political discussion of just how much UT Austin should be funded over every other public university in Texas will be brought up. The disparity is huge.

If, as one of his first meaningful decisions as UT Austin president, Jay Hartzell decides to blow $40 million to bring in (of all people )Urban Meyer, Jay Hartzell won't last as school president past the end of the spring semester. In the current financial environment, spending tens of millions to bring in someone with an enormous ethical cloud over his head would be career and reputational suicide for Hartzell.

Remember when Tom Herman essentially told everyone to go fuck themselves because he was bringing Casey Horny onto the payroll? Well, Hartzell isn't going to make that same stupid mistake, and especially not on a massively higher level.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

Two of the cardinal rules of being UT Austin president as a) don't do massively stupid things in a very public was and b) don't needlessly waste political capital on meaningless issues. Hiring of Urban Meyer, for all its potential at winning football games, violates both of those rules. Jay Hartzell is not going to sacrifice his opportunity to be UT Austin president, and piss all the work he did to get to that position down the drain to hire Urban Meyer to be the football coach. Urban Meyer is considered a sociopath by people Jay Hartzell needs in his corner. As is Art Briles.

if Urban Meyer is hired, will you promise to never post here again?

[ztejas 43419]

7 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Wonder how big the folder on his computer marked "Ammunition, online arguments with Aggies" is?

ERR: LIMIT DNE

[Randolph Duke 4034]

Just now, bad_teammate said:

Can you think of an example of a time when the lege cut funding to UT because of how much UT received in donations?

The Texas legislature has long been cutting state funding for higher education. Adjusted for inflation, the state is about 25% below where it was a decade ago. One of the great problems the "major gifts" team has to deal with is a concern that what is given to the university as private gifts will only be taken away by the legislature through increased cuts in state funding.

Look back to when the tech boom stated in Austin. Factor in the amount of equity held by those who helped drive the Austin tech boom. Now, think about where those equity holders are in their career cycles and their estate planning. There is a lot of concern that private gifts will be made meaningless through "equalization" by legislative funding cuts.

The political question of "how much public money is enough for UT Austin" is very much a concern. Jay Hartzell isn't going to make a very public demonstration of the private resources he has available at his disposal to piss down the drain just so he can hire Urban Meyer (of all people).

Some people on this board don't seem to understand the politics between the legislature since 1858, when UT was first established. Pa Ferguson ring a bell? 

The supremacy of a football program that has struggled since the 1970s for success isn't the highest priority of the newly installed UT Austin president at the moment. Personally, I don't think Jay Hartzell would piss on urban Meyer's foot if it were on fire, let along sacrifice his career for him.

But people should convince themselves Urban is both coming and the savior of UT athletics. We can get Thujone to make a burnt orange roller coaster of coaching changes with the apex of the track being where the realities that the UT president has to approve slaps the dreamers in the face.

Call me when the thread starts that Urban's wife was sighted in Austin house shopping. When you do that, I'll get Thujone to get to work.

[Dbeasy 15047]

Please stop engaging our own resident aggy. He’s screwing up this thread and spewing a bunch of information that isn’t accurate. Just ignore it.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

14 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

if Urban Meyer is hired, will you promise to never post here again?

Sure! And, while we are at it, let's find out how many others are willing to never post here again if he isn't.

 

[clapclapclap 9000]

15 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

You’ve probably heard of Bruce Cassidy.  A top tOSU donor and  good buddy of Urban’s.  

Buddy of Sundance Kidd?

[Randolph Duke 4034]

37 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

the state legislature is not doing to cut UT"s funding, dramatically or otherwise, in retaliation for us hiring a fucking football coach

Sept 1, 2020:

"These are unprecedented times we are in and all of us in college athletics are facing unexpected circumstances, a lot of change and very difficult decisions. None of it has been easy, and we recognize the impact it's had on so many and are deeply sorry for that. But we also know it's our responsibility to position Texas Athletics to remain solvent, steady and able to perform at the highest level. "

-Chris Del Conte

 

Jan 1, 2021:
"Fuck it! $40 mil ain't SHIT to us! Bring in Urban Meyer!"

-Jay Hartzell

 

Never. Gonna. Happen.

[freyguy 4269]

The State is never going to give 2 shits about who we hire as coach, nor how much we pay them.  As much $ athletics brings in & redistributes within Austin institution, it doesn't even get recorded as a footnote at System level financials (which is where the State maintains its focus).

[UncleBuck 6453]

9 minutes ago, freyguy said:

The State is never going to give 2 shits about who we hire as coach, nor how much we pay them.  

Even if they did give two shits, you're still most likely not bringing Herman back after this year, and you're not hiring some scrub that's gunna cost pennies. 

It's. Pretty. Simple.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

22 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

Sure! And, while we are at it, let's find out how many others are willing to never post here again if he isn't.

 

that would make a ton of sense if ANYONE was saying it was a done deal.

[EE2B 1565]

Sept 1, 2020:
"These are unprecedented times we are in and all of us in college athletics are facing unexpected circumstances, a lot of change and very difficult decisions. None of it has been easy, and we recognize the impact it's had on so many and are deeply sorry for that. But we also know it's our responsibility to position Texas Athletics to remain solvent, steady and able to perform at the highest level. "
-Chris Del Conte
 
Jan 1, 2021:
"Fuck it! $40 mil ain't SHIT to us! Bring in Urban Meyer!"
-Jay Hartzell
 
Never. Gonna. Happen.

You are absolutely correct.






It will be done well before Jan 1st.

[Randolph Duke 4034]

6 minutes ago, freyguy said:

The State is never going to give 2 shits about who we hire as coach, nor how much we pay them.  As much $ athletics brings in & redistributes within Austin institution, it doesn't even get recorded as a footnote at System level financials (which is where the State maintains its focus).

The budget of UT Austin is about $4B. The system budget is about $20B. The entire UT Austin athletics budget is only just over $200 million.

TAMU College Station has a budget of around $1.8B. Their entire system academic budget is barely $4B. And after aggy, no public college or university budget exceeds much over $500 mil.

Rightly or wrongly, there is an enormous incentive for a number of parties to represent UT Austin as having far too much and being extremely wasteful with what they have.

Jay Hartzell isn't going to throw gasoline on that fire by hiring a largely despicable human being whose biggest supporters have to hold their nose over the stench he carries with him.

You have obviously convinced yourself otherwise. Good for you. You are wrong.

[Bill Lumbergh 7171]

Sept 1, 2020:

"These are unprecedented times we are in and all of us in college athletics are facing unexpected circumstances, a lot of change and very difficult decisions. None of it has been easy, and we recognize the impact it's had on so many and are deeply sorry for that. But we also know it's our responsibility to position Texas Athletics to remain solvent, steady and able to perform at the highest level. "

-Chris Del Conte

 

Jan 1, 2021:

"Fuck it! $40 mil ain't SHIT to us! Bring in Urban Meyer!"

-Jay Hartzell

 

Never. Gonna. Happen.

First, not all of the $40M is incremental. We will have a coaching staff and pay them a lot of $ regardless of Meyer or not. We'll very likely make a coaching change this season based on our performance relative to opportunity, so the buyouts aren't even incremental to hiring Meyer.

 

 

If you assume we're going to be paying buyouts and hiring a top tier staff no matter what, I'd argue the incremental cost of making Meyer that hire doesn't actually change the optics terribly much.

 

 

Add to that, if support and excitement from the donor base is there with Meyer that isn't there with other candidates, it could actually be financially advantageous for the school to hire Meyer, assuming we have the right commitments in place.

 

 

Not firing Tom Herman this year will save you short term money and optics but will have huge opportunity cost for years. Given our current trajectory on all fronts football and the importance of football to the overall AD and giving, it's hard to overstate the cost of keeping Herman.

 

 

Firing Tom Herman and spending a lot of $ on the wrong candidate saves you almost nothing on optics (you're still spending a ton of $ on football in this economic climate), but possibly without the same level of donor support. You also may not fix the opportunity cost part of option 1.

 

 

Firing Tom Herman and hiring Urban Meyer costs you on short term optics (agreed that they're not great), but probably has significantly higher short term financial benefits in terms of donor support and is your best opportunity cost play. Texas will likely not have a more sure thing opportunity available for football in the next 5 years, and really cannot afford to be wrong again.

 

 

If you take a very short term limited perspective on hiring Meyer, it's easy to justify not doing it. If you take a longer term, wider perspective, it's hard to justify not doing it.

 

[Thiefery 4995]

4 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

The budget of UT Austin is about $4B. The system budget is about $20B. The entire UT Austin athletics budget is only just over $200 million.

TAMU College Station has a budget of around $1.8B. Their entire system academic budget is barely $4B. And after aggy, no public college or university budget exceeds much over $500 mil.

Rightly or wrongly, there is an enormous incentive for a number of parties to represent UT Austin as having far too much and being extremely wasteful with what they have.

Jay Hartzell isn't going to throw gasoline on that fire by hiring a largely despicable human being whose biggest supporters have to hold their nose over the stench he carries with him.

You have obviously convinced yourself otherwise. Good for you. You are wrong.

[LTtxfan 49181]

While some folks have hope...

 

[freyguy 4269]

6 minutes ago, Randolph Duke said:

The budget of UT Austin is about $4B. The system budget is about $20B. The entire UT Austin athletics budget is only just over $200 million.

TAMU College Station has a budget of around $1.8B. Their entire system academic budget is barely $4B. And after aggy, no public college or university budget exceeds much over $500 mil.

Rightly or wrongly, there is an enormous incentive for a number of parties to represent UT Austin as having far too much and being extremely wasteful with what they have.

Jay Hartzell isn't going to throw gasoline on that fire by hiring a largely despicable human being whose biggest supporters have to hold their nose over the stench he carries with him.

You have obviously convinced yourself otherwise. Good for you. You are wrong.

RD,

I do get amazed reading your posts.  You do present great data, but your conclusions are "all wrong, Ryan".  UT Austin's Athletic department is, as you say, a $200 mill business.  The heart of its success resides at the head football coach.  That coach needs to listen to his boss, stroke the donors, and win.  And when you have a self-"prescribed", pompous, immature idiot at the heart of it all...who ain't even doing ONE of them, the entire performance of that business is at risk.

It's not a question of IF Herman gets the boot, it's WHEN...

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

4 minutes ago, freyguy said:

RD,

I do get amazed reading your posts.  You do present great data, but your conclusions are "all wrong, Ryan".  UT Austin's Athletic department is, as you say, a $200 mill business.  The heart of its success resides at the head football coach.  That coach needs to listen to his boss, stroke the donors, and win.  And when you have a self-"prescribed", pompous, immature idiot at the heart of it all...who ain't even doing ONE of them, the entire performance of that business is at risk.

It's not a question of IF Herman gets the boot, it's WHEN...

this is a well thought-out post and i feel reasonably confident it will convince @Randolph Duke that he is, in fact, wrong.

[freyguy 4269]

5 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

this is a well thought-out post and i feel reasonably confident it will convince @Randolph Duke that he is, in fact, wrong.

[TejasPedro 1858]

Can we get the owners of Peter Pan Mini Golf to give Urban a lifetime Pass, to sweeten the deal?

[Not a Sock 2313]

RD strikes me as the kinda man who wears a designer suit to an expensive restaurant and sits alone at the bar on a IPad looking up pointless shit about A&M. In a vain attempt to make the patrons around him think that he is an important and connected person. When it comes to something like Urban Meyer there isn’t some 850 page PDF expense report that he can spend 12 hours looking through to find some obscure and pointless artifact that he can write a 3,000 word essay on, so all of his points on these topics are random bullshit he is throwing against the wall and trying to pass off as some sort of insider info.

Edited October 26, 2020 by Not a Sock

[TexasGolf 4899]

Meyer is an investment that will pay long term and short term dividends .. He will pay for itself and sell out the new end zone project. 

$40M is not all at once

$40m is from donors ??

[dcar00 14181]

1 hour ago, crash_davis said:

You just stated why UT is probably going to do everything it can to get Urban. The BMDs can help mitigate the decrease in state funding. If Hartzell/UTAustin really piss off the donors, well then that's the absolute worst thing that can happen to UT: dramatic decrease in funding from the state and the donor's check books are closed to donations.

what is ESPN's contractual "out" on the LHN?

[Knighthawk 284]

Just name Meyer as the head coach in waiting.  as in waiting for Herman to lose another game.  

I’m sure that will solve all the funding problems.  

[EastTexan 662]

1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

Buddy of Sundance Kidd?

Butch's brother.

[TriStone 1724]

2 hours ago, Randolph Duke said:

Lol.

The "urban or bust" people should save themselves the inevitable disappointment by working through how the mechanics of hiring Urban would work.

Jay Hartzell would have to make the ultimate decision. Jay has ZERO political capital built up with the legislature. Starting in less than 10 weeks, the legislature is going to be pressed to find ways to reduce funding across the board. The publicly funded endowment to the UT System is already greater than all other public universities and colleges (including aggy) combined. The portion of the UT System publicly funded endowment dedicated to UT Austin is about 50%. UT Austin is already funded by taxpayers at a rate double of that of Texas A&M. Total revenue (per full-time student equivalent) at A&M is $31k/yr. At Prairie View - $28k. At Tech - $21k. U of H - $28k. Texas State - $18k. UT Austin - $55k. In total dollars, UT Austin receives about $2B more each year in public funding (fed and state) than A&M.

At some point during the 2012 legislative session, the political discussion of just how much UT Austin should be funded over every other public university in Texas will be brought up. The disparity is huge.

If, as one of his first meaningful decisions as UT Austin president, Jay Hartzell decides to blow $40 million to bring in (of all people )Urban Meyer, Jay Hartzell won't last as school president past the end of the spring semester. In the current financial environment, spending tens of millions to bring in someone with an enormous ethical cloud over his head would be career and reputational suicide for Hartzell.

Remember when Tom Herman essentially told everyone to go fuck themselves because he was bringing Casey Horny onto the payroll? Well, Hartzell isn't going to make that same stupid mistake, and especially not on a massively higher level.

Never. Gonna. Happen.

Two of the cardinal rules of being UT Austin president as a) don't do massively stupid things in a very public was and b) don't needlessly waste political capital on meaningless issues. Hiring of Urban Meyer, for all its potential at winning football games, violates both of those rules. Jay Hartzell is not going to sacrifice his opportunity to be UT Austin president, and piss all the work he did to get to that position down the drain to hire Urban Meyer to be the football coach. Urban Meyer is considered a sociopath by people Jay Hartzell needs in his corner. As is Art Briles.

It seems like when you start spouting off about endowments and aggy all the blood rushes to your dick and you stop thinking straight.  Comparisons of Urban Meyer to Art Briles are the hallmark of a truly dumb fuck.  Every single time you drift out of your lane you come off as a fucking moron.

[USNALonghorn 5078]

6 hours ago, TejasPedro said:

Tom Herman is a cyst. 

More like a stage 4 cancer.

[El Squared 1802]

What has happened since 2010/2013 should inform the actual decision-makers, and while the UT admin wants to be Cal Berkeley  or Michigan, the people that write the checks, the really big ones that back salaries and buyouts, I don't think they are that spineless. I hope I'm right.

I don't think the next HC coach will involve as much risk as the prior 2 + last couple years of FUPM experimentation has cost us.

If we get a G5 loser #3 in a row (at top shelf prices as per usual), then it's time to give up on Texas Football for another decade or two, as we will know that the BMDs too have become estromen.

[TriStone 1724]

 

12 minutes ago, El Squared said:

What has happened since 2010/2013 should inform the actual decision-makers, and while the UT admin wants to be Cal Berkeley  or Michigan, the people that write the checks, the really big ones that back salaries and buyouts, I don't think they are that spineless. I hope I'm right.

Can anyone tell me where this "can't have good football AND good academics" line of thought originated?  There's a set of nuts out there somewhere that have earned a good punch.

[UncleBuck 6453]

1 hour ago, TejasPedro said:

Can we get the owners of Peter Pan Mini Golf to give Urban a lifetime Pass, to sweeten the deal?

Lol

With session starting in 2021, do you really think Hartzell is dumb enough to have Urban Meyer paid in Mini Golf lifetime passes? That would be career suicide. Good luck convincing the Family Entertainment Reimbursement Committee that The University of Texas cannot then provide Mini Golf access to the student body on their own, rather then the taxpayers footing the bill.

It. Ain't. Gunna. Hap.penis.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

3 hours ago, Randolph Duke said:

Sept 1, 2020:

"These are unprecedented times we are in and all of us in college athletics are facing unexpected circumstances, a lot of change and very difficult decisions. None of it has been easy, and we recognize the impact it's had on so many and are deeply sorry for that. But we also know it's our responsibility to position Texas Athletics to remain solvent, steady and able to perform at the highest level. "

-Chris Del Conte

 

Jan 1, 2021:
"Fuck it! $40 mil ain't SHIT to us! Bring in Urban Meyer!"

-Jay Hartzell

 

Never. Gonna. Happen.

You spend too much time analyzing Aggies. It makes you unable to analyze normal human thought processes. No one is saying "$40 million" "ain't shit". 

 

[torre 1285]

1 hour ago, El Squared said:

What has happened since 2010/2013 should inform the actual decision-makers, and while the UT admin wants to be Cal Berkeley  or Michigan

 

Add Stanford to your list.   In many ways our athletic programs mirror Stanford - strong in other sports,  mediocre in football,  baseball,  basketball. 

Read/heard that university administrations are enamored with the NCAA Director's Cup which rates all sports.    Stanford finished #1 in 2019,  we were #4.   Cancelled for this year.

 

https://nacda.com/documents/2019/6/27//June28DIOverall.pdf?id=3678

 

 

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3 minutes ago, torre said:

Add Stanford to your list.   In many ways our athletic programs mirror Stanford - strong in other sports,  mediocre in football,  baseball,  basketball. 

Read/heard that university administrations are enamored with the NCAA Director's Cup which rates all sports.    Stanford finished #1 in 2019,  we were #4.   Cancelled for this year.

 

https://nacda.com/documents/2019/6/27//June28DIOverall.pdf?id=3678

 

 

Stanford has won 25 straight Director's cups.

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Can anyone tell me where this "can't have good football AND good academics" line of thought originated?  There's a set of nuts out there somewhere that have earned a good punch.

Yeah it’s pretty silly. The UT admin should want to be peers of Berkeley or Michigan academically. That doesn’t mean you can’t achieve at the highest level as a football program. Like Texas, Michigan isn’t hurting for football talent or resources. If Tom Herman were actually able to coach the consensus top level talent he brought in, Texas wouldn’t magically become Oklahoma academically.

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Urban said he loves the thrill of the climb to the mountaintop, he finds it intoxicating.

Come to Texas and get that 1 last hit Urban.

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22 minutes ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

Stanford has won 25 straight Director's cups.

How will that work out with the rollback of 11 sports from the official school list of sports..?