Urban Meyer or bust

[Thiefery 5014]

10 minutes ago, TXpride said:

It wasn't too long ago that Herman was pulling top 5 classes.. then recruits saw the product on the field and said thanks but no thanks. Cristobal is about a year behind Tom on that timeline.

Let's be real about those classes.. they were skill position heavy..  We all knew it was light along the OL and DL.. something Mario excels at bringing.  He nailed a top DE and top OT, it would be different.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

Just now, Chuckie Finster said:

Sorry, Campbell.

Cool.  I think Earl Campbell would do a fantastic job as our new coach.

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

If Phil Knight truly pushed for us to get Meyer then there is no chance CDC would go steal his coach a week later.

[immamac 42868]

Just now, elguapo said:

Somehow OU and tOSU have managed to make it work

those were HCIW situations. 

[elguapo 4586]

Just now, immamac said:

those were HCIW situations. 

Stoops?

[UncleBuck 6454]

2 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

 

 

I know I know we can't hire a non HC.....

I'm starting to lean "Fuck that shit." For one, this "WE'RE TEXAS BY GOD WE CAN'T HIRE A NON HC" ignores the possibility that maybe we're NOT Texas... or maybe Texas means something completely different than we think it does. Also it ignores just how many top programs have first time HCs at the helm. Ohio State. Oklahoma. Clemson. 

Maybe we're not special enough anymore.
 

[4th&Five 41560]

5 minutes ago, UTEX_ME said:

fuck if we ever start losing to Tech year in and year out and they join the club of teams we have been consistently losing to (going 1-4, 1-3 over the next 4-5 years) just shut it fucking down. Laughing. Stock. 

TCU is any better?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, David Dennison said:

Plan B is keep Tom Herman. 

this was my plan b if urban walked. it's quite literally the worst plan b ever and it throws the entire program in the trash. so yeah, let's do it.

[mdmost 43004]

1 minute ago, elguapo said:

Stoops?

That was 22 years ago. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by mdmost

[The Beast 585]

Go check out the schedule for next year. Good chance to go 1-3 in the preseason game alone. But, we are used to 3 losses or more. 

[Jive Turkey 12617]

14 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

I am good with Campbell...just hope he really is the floor of this search....and there better be a fucking search

We’d be lucky to get Campbell. And he ain’t coming. 

[longhornfreak 30]

Plan B:

[UTEX_ME 4766]

1 minute ago, 4th&Five said:

TCU is any better?

historically no, but they do currently have the best coach they will ever have.  Won a Rose Bowl and went 13-0 in 2011. But talent wise you're right we should only lose to them once ever 8-10 years. 

[UncleBuck 6454]

2 minutes ago, immamac said:

those were HCIW situations. 

Sure. But maybe there's a HCIW, or similar type coach somewhere you can take and put here. Obviously our former HC hires don't work out. We aren't shit. We gotta stop acting like we are. We're trying to get back to a place. 

[mdmost 43004]

1 minute ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

this was my plan b if urban walked. it's quite literally the worst plan b ever and it throws the entire program in the trash. so yeah, let's do it.

Oh I'm convinced CDC has some Plan B candidates. The question is do the Plan B hires move the guys paying Herman's buyout? I'd imagine probably not. Yeah, these guys have fuck you money but would you want to part with 15 million for Cristobal or Franklin?

[EZ$ 2105]

Sweaty Patterson???  I mean, definitely no....but is there someone else out there with a better resume that might come to this mess?

[burdine 522]

1 hour ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

For those of you earlier suggesting Pat Fitzgerald - the rumor du jour is that the Bear are targeting Fitzgerald for their head coach job once the current incompetents finish out the string.

I think he is basically a Matt Rhule type hire before the huge NFL contract.  Really he has much more track record than Rhule does.  Not saying he is an Urban Meyer slam dunk type hire, but he has a winning record in the Big Ten over 14 years at Northwestern.  

 

He is no flash in the pan and we could do much worse I think.

 

I think he is a solid Plan B type guy to consider.

[Rockethorn1978 6093]

Here’s the whole keep tom because you didn’t get your guy so why settle argument.

Who the fuck is available next year that’s any different than right now? A new up and comer similar to Charlie and Tom we don’t know about yet? CDC said what he’s looking for a guy that has won and maintained two programs at the least and that list of guys isn’t changing this time next year. 

[Pasken 1309]

1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

or maybe Texas means something completely different than we think it does.
 

[BrazilHorn 6618]

7 minutes ago, TexasRenegade said:

Hmm going the Venebles route has appeal to it.

 

It would be along similar lines of OU grabbing Stoops...

 

I know I know we can't hire a non HC.....

I am not sure why UT has this line of thinking. OU has done it twice recently (Stoops & Riley) and one could argue have had far great sustained success than Texas has with their approach of only hiring proven head coaches.

I am not advocating that Texas hires a hotshot OC/DC I just don't know why Texas feels they couldn't

[aggie08 21505]

Randolph Duke coming in trying to spin this as him being right--after all of that CDC/Hartzell moral fiber and integrity bullshit--is just the tits.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

1 hour ago, Randolph Duke said:

“Peel off their boot”!?

I’ve washed stuff off my boot. I’ve scraped stuff off my boot. 

What the hell do people “peel” off their boot? 

Their obsession with all things aggy.  

[Sir Ulrich 5187]

Any chance we can grab Oliver Luck if CDC craps the bed? 

[elguapo 4586]

Just now, mdmost said:

That was 22 years ago. 

Somehow other schools manage to find young coordinators and turn them into great head coaches. There are like 3-5 guys that apparently fit the profile of a sure thing proven head coach that we apparently want to hire and none of them are coming here - they aren't coming next season either.

[NoName 16355]

6 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

I'm starting to lean "Fuck that shit." For one, this "WE'RE TEXAS BY GOD WE CAN'T HIRE A NON HC" ignores the possibility that maybe we're NOT Texas... or maybe Texas means something completely different than we think it does. Also it ignores just how many top programs have first time HCs at the helm. Ohio State. Oklahoma. Clemson. 

Maybe we're not special enough anymore.
 

all 3 of those jobs had situations where the replacement was already on staff and took over for the prior guy - either on an interim role (Swinney) or in a weird health-associated situation (Day & Riley) - let's add in Jimbo based on his FSU results as well.

How many top level programs hired someone with no HC experience and who were not on staff - learning on the job is hard as hell, add in everything off the field that comes with the job at any blue blood (much less Texas) - and were successful?

Even when you have guys on staff it doesn't mean it will work...see Mark Helfrich at Oregon, David Shaw at Stanford, Clay Helton at USC, etc

Edited December 7, 2020 by NoName

[Js1 85432]

1 minute ago, BrazilHorn said:

I am not sure why UT has this line of thinking. OU has done it twice recently (Stoops & Riley) and one could argue have had far great sustained success than Texas has with their approach of only hiring proven head coaches.

I am not advocating that Texas hires a hotshot OC/DC I just don't know why Texas feels they couldn't

Because we have unrealistic expectations of this program bc of a guy who coached in the 60s and a period from like 2004-2009

[UncleBuck 6454]

1 minute ago, BrazilHorn said:

I am not advocating that Texas hires a hotshot OC/DC I just don't know why Texas feels they couldn't

Because we have this sense of entitlement that we get what we want and it's gunna work. It doesn't. It hasn't. Urban was the sure thing. Now do what a real AD is supposed to do, do your homework and go get the "Right" guy. 

[6th Street 6424]

Dan Mullen is getting ready for the SEC championship. Why on earth would he take on a rebuild here? We lose our QB, LT, and only pass rusher. 

[LTtxfan 49278]

4 minutes ago, The Beast said:

Go check out the schedule for next year. Good chance to go 1-3 in the preseason game alone. But, we are used to 3 losses or more. 

preseason??  😁

[UTEX_ME 4766]

be ready to play Kansas on fucking Dec. 19... lulz. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10318]

All for trying to go after Meyer, but don't see how the BMDs are going to be willing to buy out Herman and his crew this year for anybody else. Guess we have another year of "maybe he'll change his mind"... I'll be over in the Bourbon thread on game days it looks like.

[mdmost 43004]

Just now, 6th Street said:

Dan Mullen is getting ready for the SEC championship. Why on earth would he take on a rebuild here? We lose our QB, LT, and only pass rusher. 

Come on, man. We're Texas. Who wouldn't want to come here and rebuild with our patient fanbase supporting you all the way?

[Randolph Duke 4034]

13 minutes ago, aggie08 said:

Randolph Duke coming in trying to spin this as him being right--after all of that CDC/Hartzell moral fiber and integrity bullshit--is just the tits.

An aggy coming in trying to spin this as me claiming to have been right.

I believe my exact quote was "*I don't care what the story is, as long as that human piece of shit isn't hired by UT Austin."

You aggys are amazing. You did the exact same thing in 2012 - one of the very few years you finish above .500 in conference play and you see your program as something special. 9 fucking FBS wins in a season is the most any aggy program has managed since the 1990s. lol.

Try sticking to the facts. I understand facts make aggys very uncomfortable, but this is our sandbox so try to play by the rules of educated people and not paste-eating racist rednecks.

Oh, and have a nice day!

Edited December 7, 2020 by Randolph Duke

[David Dennison 18924]

3 minutes ago, Sir Ulrich said:

Any chance we can grab Oliver Luck if CDC craps the bed? 

CDC isn't going anywhere.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

1 minute ago, NoName said:

all 3 of those jobs had situations where the replacement was already on staff and took over for the prior guy - either on an interim role (Swinney) or in a weird health-associated situation (Day & Riley) - let's add in Jimbo based on his FSU results as well.

How many top level programs hired someone with no HC experience and who were not on staff - learning on the job is hard as hell, add in everything off the field that comes with the job at any blue blood (much less Texas) - and were successful?

 

They also tend to be learning on the job from a pretty good coach.  Until we get “the coach” in place that can teach the OC/DC how to run a program correctly we will never have this situation.  Oh, and Herman ain’t the coach to be teaching his staff how to run a program.

[ClubWhatever 12151]

Just now, UTEX_ME said:

be ready to play Kansas on fucking Dec. 19... lulz. 

It can be the halftime show for the B12 CCG.  Give them helmets and everything.

[ztejas 43482]

3 minutes ago, NoName said:

How many top level programs hired someone with no HC experience and who were not on staff -

Are we counting 2 years at Iowa State (5-19) and a year at Arkansas State as "HC experience"? 

If not, Auburn has done it twice with mixed success.

[mdmost 43004]

We can play against Kansas on Big 12 CCG Saturday but Sam has to pop-a-shot every pass like the halftime show where students try to win Dr. Pepper cash. 

Edited December 7, 2020 by mdmost

[The Beast 585]

2 minutes ago, LTtxfan said:

preseason??  😁

ok non conference

[bad_teammate 13218]

1 minute ago, ClubWhatever said:

It can be the halftime show for the B12 CCG.  Give them helmets and everything.

"Oh, look at the losers. It's so cute they think they're a football team!"

[UTDD 362]

I've really enjoyed the thread and was engaged a bit with the football program again.  Much appreciated.  I'm not a huge donor or anything, but I have done my part.  I think I'm tuning out at this point, and using what little I gave to something else.  This was a great ride/thread to read.    

[Mitch Cumsteen 18550]

12 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

I'm going to call my Michigan buddy and ask how he deals with all this and any tips he has on staying interested at all in football. 

We need to form a support group with Michigan and USC. We could invite Nebraska too just to give the rest of us someone to look down upon and mock for their academics.

[The Beast 585]

1 minute ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

They also tend to be learning on the job from a pretty good coach.  Until we get “the coach” in place that can teach the OC/DC how to run a program correctly we will never have this situation.  Oh, and Herman ain’t the coach to be teaching his staff how to run a program.

But can teach them how to do high balls.

[Fondren & Main 6726]

Well, I guess athletics can enjoy losing their ass

financially then.

[UTEX_ME 4766]

Just now, Mitch Cumsteen said:

We need to form a support group with Michigan and USC. We could invite Nebraska too just to give the rest of us someone to look down upon and mock for their academics.

USC is going to win the PAC 12.. not that that means anything. 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

2 minutes ago, mdmost said:

Come on, man. We're Texas. Who wouldn't want to come here and rebuild with our patient fanbase supporting you all the way?

You think this fan base is any different than Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State, Michigan, etc...That’s just an excuse on why we aren’t a top notch program at this point in time.  Hire the right coach and magically we will be good again.  I don’t know who that coach is but they are out there.  

[Errestaurants 2570]

9 minutes ago, longhornfreak said:

Plan B:

What an ugly pathetic bitch of a coach

[ztejas 43482]

1 minute ago, UTEX_ME said:

USC is going to win the PAC 12.. not that that means anything. 

It doesn't. USC would be hard pressed to win the American in most recent years.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

We can play against Kansas on Big 12 CCG Saturday but Sam has to pop-a-shot every pass like the halftime show where students try to win Dr. Pepper cash. 

Instead of having DrPepper cash go towards boring stuff like scholarships, have it go towards Herman’s buyout

[FloridaHorn 4769]

23 minutes ago, DoobieWah said:

Well, if it has to come to TT staying, let him know he has a year to audition for his next job 'cause he won't have this one after that.

Spend the next year danglin' wads of cash and let every head coach in the country know we are looking for a guy to come turn around a blue blood and make their mark on college football history and "Oh yeah, make it worth your while".

If TT dicks it up out of spite, fire him for cause.

There's not going to be any amicable making up. We hate him and his ego has been damaged. It's up to him to decide where he goes after this, but even if he's back for 2021, he should be gone after that.

And if he goes undefeated and wins a natty?

Yeah...right.

so wash, rinse, repeat....It worked so well this time. What could go wrong.