Urban Meyer or bust

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

Nobody when talking about Nick Saban says, "oh but that's two years at the Dolphins were pretty damn mediocre". 

I feel like Vic Mackey would probably say that, except "mediocre" is too big of a word for him

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Just now, SwanderedTalent said:

I feel like Vic Mackey would probably say that, except "mediocre" is too big of a word for him

The thought of anything being "too big" for Vic Mackey does not compute....

[ClubWhatever 12129]

13 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Here's a nugget: in 1989, a week after losing to Rice 6-3, a Baylor team that would eventually finish 5-6 beat Texas in Austin 50-7. Texas finished with its second consecutive losing record that year, but we didn't fire our coach.

none of that sheds any real light on Urban Meyer but it is an example of why I'm skeptical we'd ever hit a home run like that

in my lifetime, the only home run for us was Augie Garrido. Rick Barnes and Mack Brown were doubles off the wall; Mack advanced to third on a throwing error and then scored on a balk. He was later hit in the head by a pitch and suffered severe brain damage (it was nice of us to let him continue playing anyway). 

Whatever you want to call it.  Home run, double, triple, bunt, pop out.  I’ll take it.  multiple national championship appearances and locking down the state in football, final four and an elite eight in basketball. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by ClubWhatever

[Revolution512 1487]

He’d quit that Jacksonville job in two years. Detroit, he’d have to be brain dead to even consider that.

[ztejas 43418]

18 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Whatever you want to call it.  Home run, double, triple, bunt, pop out.  I’ll take it.  multiple national championship appearances and locking down the state in football, final four and an elite eight in basketball. 

Barnes had multiple elite eights iirc. I beleive it was an additional 3 to the 1 FF appearance. (Just two: 2006 and 2008. Three if you include 2003)

Edited December 27, 2020 by ztejas

[FloridaHorn 4754]

51 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Wondering if Khan is willing to go up to 12 mil aa year?  At Urban's age, he's probably down to final job mindset.

$12 mil ain’t that much if they give him the GM title also.

[gmr548 16576]

46 minutes ago, Atticus said:

If he's worried about risking success because he didn't have HIS guys in place, why would he risk it by going to a completely unknown environment?

He'd be more likely to succeed by staying in college and finding guys who can fill the roles of the guys he might not be able to come with him.

Because the NFL is a new challenge. Y'all talk about the Texas job being enticing because of what a championship at a third school would do for his ego/legacy. Think about what succeeding in the NFL, something Saban never did, would do on that front. 

It also has the appeal of not having to recruit/constantly appease a roster of 18-21 year olds. There is no transfer portal. You do not have to recruit guys constantly, for years, to get them on the roster. You draft them and they're under contract for four years. You sign a free agent and they're under contract for however long they signed. Yes there's a holdout now and then but that's nothing close to the same animal, and usually just about straight cash homie. To the extent a work-life balance exists at the highest levels of the sport, it's better as a NFL coach than as a major college coach.

It's not that hard to see when you take off the burnt orange glasses.

[Hank Chinaski 6314]

21 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

Whatever you want to call it.  Home run, double, triple, bunt, pop out.  I’ll take it.  multiple national championship appearances and locking down the state in football, final four and an elite eight in basketball. 

Yeah. Mack was far from perfect, but if you told me that Texas would go 158-48 over the next 16 years, win a title (and a dropped INT away from playing for 2 more), finish in the top-10 8 times, put more players in the NFL than any other school, and have 3 years of the best player in the history of college football...I mean, I'd take it.

[CowtownHorn 5126]

2 hours ago, Cement said:

 

[pearlandhorn 3269]

So urban going to the NFL now? This season can’t end soon enough. If we haven’t heard about legit replacements for Herman yet, I’d say Urban is done and CDC already has a deal with him. But I’m typical night crew BDE.

[Reagan1k 3024]

Guys like Urban and Saban don’t start their consideration of an opportunity with thoughts of what it will do for their legacy if they fail.

They see a challenge and trust they can make it work- whether that’s Texas or the NFL.  They don’t start handwringing over legacy and thoughts of failure.  That’s not how they’re wired. 

Whether he jumps to the league or not, his being worried about legacy if he fails isn’t in his top considerations.

Edited December 27, 2020 by Reagan1k

[runthebone 7968]

It makes sense for him to check it out, and I would understand if he picked Jacksonville, NFL corches work much harder than college corches.

[UncleBuck 6453]

I have opinions on Meyer and Jacksonville, and how attractive of a job that could be, but fuck that LDE, he’s coming to Texas.

[dcar00 14181]

12 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Because the NFL is a new challenge. Y'all talk about the Texas job being enticing because of what a championship at a third school would do for his ego/legacy. Think about what succeeding in the NFL, something Saban never did, would do on that front. 

It also has the appeal of not having to recruit/constantly appease a roster of 18-21 year olds. There is no transfer portal. You do not have to recruit guys constantly, for years, to get them on the roster. You draft them and they're under contract for four years. You sign a free agent and they're under contract for however long they signed. Yes there's a holdout now and then but that's nothing close to the same animal, and usually just about straight cash homie. To the extent a work-life balance exists at the highest levels of the sport, it's better as a NFL coach than as a major college coach.

It's not that hard to see when you take off the burnt orange glasses.

the flip side is he's competing with guys who don't really view an NFL coaching gig as work/life balance.  those guys work a ton.  he's competing with the best of the best in the NFL. Every week is a grind.   in the Big 12 he'd have to worry about 2 games a season.

He has guys recruit for him and he comes in to close the deal once in a while.

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Geezus fucking christ day crew. Get it together. This is a direct message to CDC that if he fucks around, he will find out. There is one final piece he wants and if crystal won't give it to him then fuck it,  he will go to the jags.  Which he won't. Because cdc will. 

Fuck. Like playing cards with my brother's kids. 

[SuckitKevin 920]

19 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Because the NFL is a new challenge. Y'all talk about the Texas job being enticing because of what a championship at a third school would do for his ego/legacy. Think about what succeeding in the NFL, something Saban never did, would do on that front. 

It also has the appeal of not having to recruit/constantly appease a roster of 18-21 year olds. There is no transfer portal. You do not have to recruit guys constantly, for years, to get them on the roster. You draft them and they're under contract for four years. You sign a free agent and they're under contract for however long they signed. Yes there's a holdout now and then but that's nothing close to the same animal, and usually just about straight cash homie. To the extent a work-life balance exists at the highest levels of the sport, it's better as a NFL coach than as a major college coach.

It's not that hard to see when you take off the burnt orange glasses.

I get what you’re saying, but salary caps and not being able to just recruit the best players severely handicaps the advantages that made him successful in college. He’s smart enough to know that.

[Hagbard Celine 10853]

8 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Because the NFL is a new challenge. Y'all talk about the Texas job being enticing because of what a championship at a third school would do for his ego/legacy. Think about what succeeding in the NFL, something Saban never did, would do on that front. 

It also has the appeal of not having to recruit/constantly appease a roster of 18-21 year olds. There is no transfer portal. You do not have to recruit guys constantly, for years, to get them on the roster. You draft them and they're under contract for four years. You sign a free agent and they're under contract for however long they signed. Yes there's a holdout now and then but that's nothing close to the same animal, and usually just about straight cash homie. To the extent a work-life balance exists at the highest levels of the sport, it's better as a NFL coach than as a major college coach.

It's not that hard to see when you take off the burnt orange glasses.

winning in the league takes a lot of time or a lot of luck.  you have to parachute in to a "made" situation.  pats, steelers, green bay, and those jobs open up once every 20 years.  then you have to have a franchise qb.   the parity in the league is rarely conquered by coaching.

then there is idea of cum's "health" "lifestyle" "stress" and "comfort".   coaching or gm in the league good luck with that.

he's still fetch for texas, but he's not going to the league.

[UncleBuck 6453]

the flip side is he's competing with guys who don't really view an NFL coaching gig as work/life balance.  those guys work a ton.  he's competing with the best of the best in the NFL. Every week is a grind.   in the Big 12 he'd have to worry about 2 games a season.
He has guys recruit for him and he comes in to close the deal once in a while.

Both jobs are tough and demanding. Both are a grind. Both are stressful. Seems you’re selling what he does on the college level way short. You make it sound like he’s sitting around six and a half days a week twiddling his thumbs. If it were that easy we wouldn’t be throwing $12M at him.

[mdmost 43001]

If Urban picks the NFL over Texas, this site=

[dcar00 14181]

1 minute ago, UncleBuck said:

Both jobs are tough and demanding. Both are a grind. Both are stressful. Seems you’re selling what he does on the college level way short. You make it sound like he’s sitting around six and a half days a week twiddling his thumbs. If it were that easy we wouldn’t be throwing $12M at him.

seems like what other poster was doing with the NFL gig.  I was offering the counterpoint using the same faulty logic.

[GTX Horn 1708]

LA Chargers could be an intriguing job too if they move on from Anthony Lynn, BUT fuck all that noise. He’s coming to Austin 🤘

[dcar00 14181]

Urban knows its about jimmies and joes. you can win a championship if you have the right ones.   you get to dynasty territory when you have both(Brady/Belicheck, Johnson/Triplets, Walsh/Montana/Rice) where do you "know" you are going to have the jimmies and joes?

BDE. Its Texas.  This is done.  Even Jimmy and Saban found out about the NFL without the jimmies and joes.

[Ryno 127]

All a smoke screen for when he publicly picks Texas over multiple NFL offers. Give me your croots

[Guadaloopy 10960]

3 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

This is exactly correct. Barnes ended up a great hire. Brown was tremendous pre brain damage injury (that proved to be temporary). Neither were home runs at the time. Neither was Darrell, or Fred, or Mackovic, or Penders, or Shaka. Only home run was Augie. 

This university isn’t nimble and bold enough to pull off anything close to Augie in football. This thread is a joke. Urban will never come here. We will never hire an established big name coach (in football). We never have, and never will. 

[futureman 22453]

25 minutes ago, GTX Horn said:

He’s coming to Austin

yeah, he’s not, though.  

[RGBIII 22840]

6 minutes ago, futureman said:

yeah, he’s not, though.  

[90's_Horn 175]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

This is exactly correct. Barnes ended up a great hire. Brown was tremendous pre brain damage injury (that proved to be temporary). Neither were home runs at the time. Neither was Darrell, or Fred, or Mackovic, or Penders, or Shaka. Only home run was Augie. 

This university isn’t nimble and bold enough to pull off anything close to Augie in football. This thread is a joke. Urban will never come here. We will never hire an established big name coach (in football). We never have, and never will. 

[ztejas 43418]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

It also has the appeal of not having to recruit/constantly appease a roster of 18-21 year olds. There is no transfer portal. You do not have to recruit guys constantly, for years, to get them on the roster. You draft them and they're under contract for four years. You sign a free agent and they're under contract for however long they signed. Yes there's a holdout now and then but that's nothing close to the same animal, and usually just about straight cash homie. To the extent a work-life balance exists at the highest levels of the sport, it's better as a NFL coach than as a major college coach.

Lol. What a bunch of horseshit. You're fucking delusional if you think winning a SB is even in the same ballpark of difficulty as winning another title in college for a guy like Urban. 

Say Urban makes the transition as well as Caroll did. Which would be highly unlikely for multitude reasons. The first being that Pete had already coached in the NFL before he took the Seahawks job. Pete won the SB in year 4 - with an absolutely stacked roster that he had some hand in building but not all - and after getting Russ with the 75th pick in the draft. 

There are a lot of things Urban has never done that he would need to do in the NFL to succeed. Not to win a Super Bowl - to simply make the playoffs and contend. 

If Urban is thinking legacy and how to climb the ladder of greatest coaches ever, then I'm not sure how risking a flame-out in the NFL gets him where he wants to be when he'd be almost guaranteed to at least win conference titles and make a couple CFPs at several college jobs that are open or should be soon. 

This isn't some biased, Burnt-Orange wishcasted take, this is just the reality of the situation. Maybe he'd kill it in the NFL. History tells us that more than likely he wouldn't. Where as he would almost certainly kill it were he to take a job like Texas or SC or even Michigan. 

One more note - I'm not sure people always understand just how ruthlessly competitive the NFL is. Look at McVay and Shanahan. SB appearance one year, purgatory the next. Look at Gruden - who is a proven SB winning coach the same age* as Urban and having trouble getting to the playoffs in year 3. Look at how long it took Reid to win despite coaching some phenomenal teams. Pederson is probably the closest to a relative newcomer breaking through and winning in recent memory and he had played in the NFL for 13 years and been in coaching positions for 9 before winning the SB.

The only reason Urban would go to the NFL is if he ISN'T worried about his legacy and simply thinks it would be a fun change of pace. 

Edited December 27, 2020 by ztejas

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

1 hour ago, gmr548 said:

You do not have to recruit guys constantly, for years, to get them on the roster. You draft them and they're under contract for four years.

And they're grown men who may or may not feel like being coached

[utexas8 1436]

If Urban picks the NFL over Texas, this site=

TBF, IF he was always going to coach again it’s better he chose the nfl than college. Better he spurns us for the NFL than saying no to us this year and coaching in college somewhere next year.


Doesn’t matter he’s coming here. Spinner shells basically confirmed yesterday anyway.

[closetohumping 17438]

16 minutes ago, ztejas said:

Lol. What a bunch of horseshit. You're fucking delusional if you think winning a SB is even in the same ballpark of difficulty as winning another title in college for a guy like Urban. 

Say Urban makes the transition as well as Caroll did. Which would be highly unlikely for multitude reasons. The first being that Pete had already coached in the NFL before he took the Seahawks job. Pete won the SB in year 4 - with an absolutely stacked roster that he had some hand in building but not all - and after getting Russ with the 75th pick in the draft. 

There are a lot of things Urban has never done that he would need to do in the NFL to succeed. Not to win a Super Bowl - to simply make the playoffs and contend. 

If Urban is thinking legacy and how to climb the ladder of greatest coaches ever, then I'm not sure how risking a flame-out in the NFL gets him where he wants to be when he'd be almost guaranteed to at least win conference titles and make a couple CFPs at several college jobs that are open or should be soon. 

This isn't some biased, Burnt-Orange wishcasted take, this is just the reality of the situation. Maybe he'd kill it in the NFL. History tells us that more than likely he wouldn't. Where as he would almost certainly kill it were he to take a job like Texas or SC or even Michigan. 

One more note - I'm not sure people always understand just how ruthlessly competitive the NFL is. Look at McVay and Shanahan. SB appearance one year, purgatory the next. Look at Gruden - who is a proven SB winning coach younger than Urban and having trouble getting to the playoffs in year 3. Look at how long it took Reid to win despite coaching some phenomenal teams. Pederson is probably the closest to a relative newcomer breaking through and winning in recent memory and he had played in the NFL for 13 years and been in coaching positions for 9 before winning the SB.

The only reason Urban would go to the NFL is if he ISN'T worried about his legacy and simply thinks it would be a fun change of pace. 

Great post.  I think if he goes NFL it'll be about proving himself against the highest levels of competition.  You don't get to pick your players if you're the coach of the Jets or Jags.  There's no Kansas, KSU on your schedule.  You don't get to schedule NMSU as a rest game.

 

Also not sure Urban's an X and O savant anymore.  What makes him think he'll be great in the NFL?

Edited December 27, 2020 by closetohumping

[Ricky Butler 2693]

11 minutes ago, utexas8 said:

TBF, IF he was always going to coach again it’s better he chose the nfl than college. Better he spurns us for the NFL than saying no to us this year and coaching in college somewhere next year.


Doesn’t matter he’s coming here. Spinner shells basically confirmed yesterday anyway.

Agree. If someone coaches in the NFL, it's because they want to be in the NFL, and Texas isn't in the NFL. I imagine Baylor would have given Rhule a 10 year extension and a thousand virgins if he asked, but he wanted to be in the NFL so he left.

[dcar00 14181]

6 minutes ago, closetohumping said:

Great post.  I think if he goes NFL it'll be about proving himself against the highest levels of competition.  You don't get to pick your players if you're the coach of the Jets or Jags.  There's no Kansas, KSU on your schedule.  You don't get to schedule NMSU as a rest game.

if you coach the jets you are Kansas

[GTX Horn 1708]

30 minutes ago, futureman said:

yeah, he’s not, though.  

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3 minutes ago, Ricky Butler said:

Agree. If someone coaches in the NFL, it's because they want to be in the NFL, and Texas isn't in the NFL. I imagine Baylor would have given Rhule a 10 year extension and a thousand virgins if he asked, but he wanted to be in the NFL so he left.

No virgins left in waco. Briles players raped them all. 

[UncleBuck 6453]

Now we wait... hope Shelley likes heartburn.

[Tex-19 2872]

First of all, let's stop pretending Adam Schefter and NFL teams are in on some UT cover up.

Legacy-wise, the NFL isn't a huge risk for him. Sure, no one wants to go out on a failure, but a lot of elite college coaches have failed in the NFL without damage to their reputation - Saban, Chip Kelly (although UCLA is changing that), Pete Carroll before going back to Seattle. People know it's a different animal. If he fails, people will all forget in a couple years and he'll just go back to being a college legend. On the other hand, if you DO win a SB, it vaults you to a whole different level.

The bigger question is whether he really wants to get into that line of work. No more mentoring young kids, instead dealing with a grown adult business. No more locking down all the top talent through recruiting, instead hoping your GM can at least keep your roster average compared to others. Hoping your college schemes work in the NFL (ask Kliff, Chip, etc how that's gone). Overall, way harder to succeed. Also, no way you take a team like JAX to the SB anytime soon so he'd have to be in it for the long haul.

I know it's been debated already, but Shelley's response re: NFL was very immediate and strong which makes me somewhat believe her. Obviously UM may feel different though.

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13 minutes ago, UncleBuck said:

Now we wait... hope Shelley likes heartburn.

She likes Florida beaches.  

[dcar00 14181]

5 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

First of all, let's stop pretending Adam Schefter and NFL teams are in on some UT cover up.

Legacy-wise, the NFL isn't a huge risk for him. Sure, no one wants to go out on a failure, but a lot of elite college coaches have failed in the NFL without damage to their reputation - Saban, Chip Kelly (although UCLA is changing that), Pete Carroll before going back to Seattle. People know it's a different animal. If he fails, people will all forget in a couple years and he'll just go back to being a college legend. On the other hand, if you DO win a SB, it vaults you to a whole different level.

The bigger question is whether he really wants to get into that line of work. No more mentoring young kids, instead dealing with a grown adult business. No more locking down all the top talent through recruiting, instead hoping your GM can at least keep your roster average compared to others. Hoping your college schemes work in the NFL (ask Kliff, Chip, etc how that's gone). Overall, way harder to succeed. Also, no way you take a team like JAX to the SB anytime soon so he'd have to be in it for the long haul.

I know it's been debated already, but Shelley's response re: NFL was very immediate and strong which makes me somewhat believe her. Obviously UM may feel different though.

in college you are the head coach's wife, hanging out with mom's.   in the NFL you are...the non working spouse and show up on game days and at the end of year company party.

[TXSG8R 3362]

8 minutes ago, Tex-19 said:

First of all, let's stop pretending Adam Schefter and NFL teams are in on some UT cover up.

Legacy-wise, the NFL isn't a huge risk for him. Sure, no one wants to go out on a failure, but a lot of elite college coaches have failed in the NFL without damage to their reputation - Saban, Chip Kelly (although UCLA is changing that), Pete Carroll before going back to Seattle. People know it's a different animal. If he fails, people will all forget in a couple years and he'll just go back to being a college legend. On the other hand, if you DO win a SB, it vaults you to a whole different level.

The bigger question is whether he really wants to get into that line of work. No more mentoring young kids, instead dealing with a grown adult business. No more locking down all the top talent through recruiting, instead hoping your GM can at least keep your roster average compared to others. Hoping your college schemes work in the NFL (ask Kliff, Chip, etc how that's gone). Overall, way harder to succeed. Also, no way you take a team like JAX to the SB anytime soon so he'd have to be in it for the long haul.

I know it's been debated already, but Shelley's response re: NFL was very immediate and strong which makes me somewhat believe her. Obviously UM may feel different though.

Urban has won in most places through recruiting and having a talent advantage. That rarely happens in the NFL, and if it does it’s through striking draft gold and it only lasts as long as those guys are stuck with rookie contracts. I also think coaching style matters with NFL coaches. Hard asses like Saban find out real fast that shit doesn’t work with grown ass men that make more than you. Urban uses a lot of punishment/motivational techniques that just won’t work in the NFL IMO. Because of that, and recruiting being one of his greatest strengths, I just don’t see him going to the NFL.  

[UncleBuck 6453]

She likes Florida beaches.  

[gmr548 16576]

the flip side is he's competing with guys who don't really view an NFL coaching gig as work/life balance.  those guys work a ton.  he's competing with the best of the best in the NFL. Every week is a grind.   in the Big 12 he'd have to worry about 2 games a season.
He has guys recruit for him and he comes in to close the deal once in a while.

I don’t think he’d be putting any less time or work in than any other NFL coach. And it’s not like he wasn’t working 12+ hour days just because Ohio State had Purdue on the schedule (or, you know, maybe he did thinking about the L they took there). They just don’t have the same 24/7/365 recruiting demands. At this point you’re actively recruiting players in your own college program, especially once you start stockpiling championship level talent. Just not so in the NFL. And the booster glass handing of a job like Texas doesn’t exist. Now if he insists on total control of the organization that’s a different conversation.

I get what you’re saying, but salary caps and not being able to just recruit the best players severely handicaps the advantages that made him successful in college. He’s smart enough to know that.

Maybe that’s part of the appeal. Something new. He knows he can build a National championship program at a flagship school in a major football state. He’s done that twice already.

I’m not saying the he’s for sure going to the NFL. Only Meyer knows his next move. But people writing it off are being willfully obtuse and it’s incredibly obvious.

[90's_Horn 175]

1 hour ago, Dr. Beeper said:

I ain’t goin anywhere. I’ll be here to remind you how delusional you are. 

just surprises me you would hang around a thread ‘that is a joke’

Ok cool, Hook’em.
The more the merrier 

[wood 11225]

So who all do we have here saying categorically that there's no way Urban Meyer comes to Texas? I've lost track.

fisterman, beeper, swandered talent?, surlybevo?

Who else?

 

[Bevo14 8304]

Regardless of whether he goes or not, I highly doubt Urban would have any success in the NFL. I'd be stunned if he even made it to a Super Bowl.

[Get ln My Van 927]

Sunday afternoon baby meat energy here...

Urban agrees to become HC at Texas by January 10th

[wood 11225]

 

2 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

I wouldn’t say “no way”. I’d be fairly surprised and think it’s highly doubtful. 

Didn't you just say it isn't gonna happen, and call someone delusional for thinking it will? 

[TexasToast 728]

18 minutes ago, wood said:

So who all do we have here saying categorically that there's no way Urban Meyer comes to Texas? I've lost track.

fisterman, beeper, swandered talent?, surlybevo?

Who else?

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10232]

It's not that I don't think Urban would be interested in an NFL position, but he's not the best available candidate for these teams. Why would they they go after an unproven without NFL experience for some of the other candidates with an existing good track record??

[closetohumping 17438]

1 minute ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

It's not that I don't think Urban would be interested in an NFL position, but he's not the best available candidate for these teams. Why would they they go after an unproven without NFL experience for some of the other candidates with an existing good track record??

And he’s about to be 60.  He’s not an up and comer