Urban Meyer or bust

[ztejas 43263]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

its more than just wins and losses...even though we managed to lose to them TWICE.  maybe I should use Standford or Maryland.  we lost to them too.

We are about to fire a coach that won 10 games and a NY6 bowl against a top 10 team in his second season here. It has been close to 29 years since Cal won 10 games and a NY6 bowl.

[BrazilHorn 6576]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

I think total control means 'if that Plonsky bitch ever speaks to me...."

That's another thing Herman did, pull social media away from Plonsky. She used to own a lot of the external comms/deals etc and now Herman does. This was done at start of his tenure.

[dcar00 14035]

1 minute ago, ztejas said:

We are about to fire a coach that won 10 games and a NY6 bowl against a top 10 team in his second season here. It has been close to 29 years since Cal won 10 games and a NY6 bowl.

I hope you are right

[C-Man 27050]

10 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I feel like the people that compare us to Cal are unaware of just how God awful Cal has been for like, 30 years now.

Actually - just looked it up. Cal has never been good at football. They did sneak a couple of 10 win seasons in in 04 and 06 - before then you have to go back to 91. 

Herman would potentially be their best coach in 70 or so years.

When I compare Texas to Cal, I'm not talking about football results. I'm talking more about the academic/political climate. It seems we aspire to get closer to Cal in the area of academics. Many think commitment to football does not align with that vision. And then you get to politics -- Austin is certainly "woker" and more liberal than aggy for instance. Cal-Berkeley was the epicenter of much of the 60's student protesting. There's no comparison in football accomplishments.

[BurntOrange&White 39648]

1 minute ago, BrazilHorn said:

I actually think had Herman not been such a complete ass clown and had he put up the W's that Saban has (or that I would expect UM to) that this would have easily happened.

UT should give Urban whatever the fuck he wants, He has the skins on the wall. Herman had gimmicks (grill & kisses) but nowhere near the history Urban has.

Your second paragraph says it all. Meyer has those skins to demand these kinds of things. Herman does not so he comes off as a complaining bitch. And he came in hot with all his demands and talked a big game. Got punched in the mouth and alienated himself from those who gave in at first. 

[dcar00 14035]

Just now, BrazilHorn said:

That's another thing Herman did, pull social media away from Plonsky. She used to own a lot of the external comms/deals etc and now Herman does. This was done at start of his tenure.

agreed.  it was more of a joke.  Plonksy was finally cut off with Herman and then CDC.  Urban may know something about the higher ups at Texas that he wants clarified.

[CenTex Hill Billy 146]

29 minutes ago, HtownHorn said:

Lulz. Ketch is hours behind the news cycle so he makes up this shit that contradicts what IT is saying so his subs thinks he's on top of things. As transparent as embezzling money to pay off back taxes.

Ketch having to pay 9.95 for insider info is poetic justice.

[TommyGufano 6021]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Prima Nocta.

Gary Johnson wrestled that away from Herm early. There was no recovering from that

[dcar00 14035]

4 minutes ago, C-Man said:

When I compare Texas to Cal, I'm not talking about football results. I'm talking more about the academic/political climate. It seems we aspire to get closer to Cal in the area of academics. Many think commitment to football does not align with that vision. And then you get to politics -- Austin is certainly "woker" and more liberal than aggy for instance. Cal-Berkeley was the epicenter of much of the 60's student protesting. There's no comparison in football accomplishments.

this is most of my point, which of course is lost on Burt.  how important is football?  maybe we are finally getting serious.

Edited December 2, 2020 by dcar00

[IDIOTsavant 8440]

Any interesting planes land in Austin around 11:45? Asking for a friend.

[BurntOrange&White 39648]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

this is most of my point.  how important is football?  maybe we are finally getting serious.

And that’s the buy in Meyer wants. It has nothing to do about his attitude with current players. It’s his attitude mixed with Texas attitude. Will Texas buy into him like he wants? If we don’t then we clearly don’t want to win like we say we do. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by BurntOrange&White

[RollLeft 5040]

2 minutes ago, C-Man said:

When I compare Texas to Cal, I'm not talking about football results. I'm talking more about the academic/political climate. It seems we aspire to get closer to Cal in the area of academics. Many think commitment to football does not align with that vision. And then you get to politics -- Austin is certainly "woker" and more liberal than aggy for instance. Cal-Berkeley was the epicenter of much of the 60's student protesting. There's no comparison in football accomplishments.

When football is self funded you can have both.  Texas football contributes to the University's academic endeavors few programs can say that.

[RGBIII 22798]

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

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1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

TFB doesn't know jack shit outside of recruiting.

[Chuckie Finster 22599]

1 minute ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

Saying CDC wouldn't get any credit for bringing URBAN FUCKING MEYER out of retirement may be the stupidest thing said in this entire thread.  And let me remind you, we devoted 10+ pages to burgers.

[ztejas 43263]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

I hope you are right

I'm pretty confident that I am. And even if I'm not, I'm not sure how much it changes my point. We fired Charlie before he was able to get his own seniors on the field. We fired Mack after he went 8-5, 9-4 and 8-5.

I feel like people sometimes confuse a shitty product with low expectations. 

[Bevo14 8274]

20 minutes ago, C-Man said:

When I compare Texas to Cal, I'm not talking about football results. I'm talking more about the academic/political climate. It seems we aspire to get closer to Cal in the area of academics. Many think commitment to football does not align with that vision. And then you get to politics -- Austin is certainly "woker" and more liberal than aggy for instance. Cal-Berkeley was the epicenter of much of the 60's student protesting. There's no comparison in football accomplishments.

Not saying you particularly, but people need to stop pretending that student protests/political activity are the cause of this team's mediocrity just because they want to believe it to support their own political views. Herman is the reason for this team's mediocrity. Every team in the top 5 had players going to protests this summer.  Hell, Saban went with his players at least one time. Dabo certainly doesn't support most of his players' viewpoint but it's still business as usual for Clemson.  

Edited December 2, 2020 by Bevo14

[burdine 522]

We aren't Alabama but we aren't Cal either.  We are something else.  More like Michigan or North Carolina.  We care about athletics and have a long history of success but it's not the No. 1 thing in our identity.

Edited December 2, 2020 by burdine

[Burt Macklin 18997]

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

I agree with you for the most part. But I can guarantee you a lot of UT faculty/staff that are mortified by the idea of hiring Urban hire at whatever the final cost is. "The Eyes" groundswell started with a faculty member didn't it? You don't see these things being an issue at other football factories. Hell, aggy had alums openly screaming obscenities and epithets at current players this summer with the whole Sul Ross statue embroglio and that's not even a blip on the radar now. Is it simply because they're whatever-and-1 and #5 in the CFP?

Right, but those faculty/staff aren't being allowed to dictate the coaching search process or even gum up the works.  They're being ignored because football absolutely matters at UT. I won't argue that football is as important here as a place like Bama, where they pretty much have nothing else going for them, but that's a very different thing than us being at all akin to fucking Cal. 

 

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

And there it is...

You're questioning the importance the University places on Football and making your determination based solely off a result controlled by Meyer.  That's absolutely terrible reasoning, but not really a surprise. 

2 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

And that’s the buy in Meyer wants. It has nothing to do about his attitude with current players. It’s his attitude mixed with Texas attitude. Will Texas buy into him like he wants? If we don’t then we clearly don’t want to win like we say we do. 

We have the President, AD, BMDs, and Regents all working in unison to reset the entire CFB coaching pay scale to bring Urban Meyer here. How is it even a question in your mind  whether Meyer will have complete and total backing if he comes here?

[RollLeft 5040]

So king Roach snubbed the aggies eh.  Nice.

[WBT 20418]

15 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

jeff tedford, awon wodgers, and syntex all say hi

 

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2 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

lmao wtf is that? "Wants to make a splash hire."/"doesn't want to make a splash hire because you don't get a lot of credit for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches ever."

stfu

[General Specific 3233]

What if nothing is actually happening?

Hey now, no need to Occam’s razor this shit up. Forget it, we’re rolling!!!

[BurntOrange&White 39648]

1 minute ago, Burt Macklin said:

Right, but those faculty/staff aren't being allowed to dictate the coaching search process or even gum up the works.  They're being ignored because football absolutely matters at UT. I won't argue that football is as important here as a place like Bama, where they pretty much have nothing else going for them, but that's a very different thing than us being at all akin to fucking Cal. 

 

You're questioning the importance the University places on Football and making your determination based solely off a result controlled by Meyer.  That's absolutely terrible reasoning, but not really a surprise. 

We have the President, AD, BMDs, and Regents all working in unison to reset the entire CFB coaching pay scale to bring Urban Meyer here. How is it even a question in your mind  whether Meyer will have complete and total backing if he comes here?

Because Bobby literally mentioned something similar this morning. 

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***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out.

Brian Kelly?  Talk about blindly throwing shit against the wall.

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4 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

All this tells me is that TFB has nothing in terms of sourcing. The best thing they can come up with is to ask one guy who has worked with CDC before to speculate on what he thinks CDC might do. 

[HenryJames 65889]

3 minutes ago, 936horn said:

TFB doesn't know jack shit outside of recruiting.

Pretty confident we’re not considering Gary Patterson.

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

4 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

 

So, if I'm reading correctly, their position is that CDC doesn't actually want Meyer because he is too good and well known.  That CDC will want to bring in an unknown coach so that he can take credit for the hire when the guy wins - and bringing in Meyer just won't give him the credit he desires?

 

This is the dumbest fucking update I've read here.  Its not even a non-update. 

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1499]

Oh, so we will either get CUM or not. If not, then we are going to hire someone the AD likes. Thanks to TFB and their inside source for breaking this.

[Horn80 6075]

1 minute ago, General Specific said:

Hey now, no need to Occam’s razor this shit up. Forget it, we’re rolling!!!

So, back to cheeseburgers then......

[burdine 522]

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If part of the reason Meyer wants to coach again is to not have his last season coaching mired in scandal, then Texas would be a really strong place to reset his legacy frankly.

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[C-Man 27050]

 

8 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

What Saban has at Bama and Dabo at Clemson  in regards to those above him and around the program. Complete and total buy in and having his back. He wants the school and administration to completely buy into to him and his football team. Not be some bullshit that Texas has been since DKR. 

100% this. The money is great but Urban doesn't really need it. He could make his Fox salary on the TV set for the next 10+ years if he wants. What he does not want to do is risk not winning big at his next coaching gig, if he takes one. The potential at Texas is massive. He knows this. Otherwise we never would've gotten this far.

1 minute ago, RollLeft said:

When football is self funded you can have both.  Texas football contributes to the University's academic endeavors few programs can say that.

No doubt. Again, we know this. Many know this. But there are some academic nerd types that do not -- and they can cause problems. Hartzell gets it. How long will he be here?

Many of you know my wife is a Clemson alum who grew up in Dallas. When she attended in the early '00s she said there were just a couple of kids there from Dallas. (Full disclosure -- I had no idea Clemson was so highly-ranked as an academic school until we started dating and I happened to look it up.) It has become a destination school for Dallas-area kids since Dabo and the football program took off on its run in 2014/2015 or so.

[Gene Parmesan 3993]

2 minutes ago, ztejas said:

I'm pretty confident that I am. And even if I'm not, I'm not sure how much it changes my point. We fired Charlie before he was able to get his own seniors on the field. We fired Mack after he went 8-5, 9-4 and 8-5.

I feel like people sometimes confuse a shitty product with low expectations. 

Exactly it doesn't have to be Meyer.  We bought out Mack/Charlie and soon to be Herman.  Our failure isn't for lack of trying. 

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7 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

Brian Kelly to Texas, Urban to ND.  That will go over well.

[RGBIII 22798]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

All this tells me is that TFB has nothing in terms of sourcing. The best thing they can come up with is to ask one guy who has worked with CDC before to speculate on what he thinks CDC might do. 

Agreed just sharing everything. This did not change my view the slightest bit...ITS HAPPENING

[UncleBuck 6445]

Just now, Burt Macklin said:

All this tells me is that TFB has nothing in terms of sourcing. The best thing they can come up with is to ask one guy who has worked with CDC before to speculate on what he thinks CDC might do. 

I just still can't get over the stupid shit of saying "yah he wants to make a splash hire.", then in the following sentence basically saying "he doesn't want it to be a splash hire."

But if one thing is for certain, it's gunna be "his" guy.

uhm ok...

[ballrific 215]

Planes? Legit intel?

[BornAndRaised 12223]

Man speaking of burgers I might swing down to Sandys downtown. Ya'll keep bringing up our Burger saga in this thread and It's lunch time. Or Pterrys, or 5guys.. possibilities are endless really..

 

[Nicole44 22027]

Just now, UncleBuck said:

lmao wtf is that? "Wants to make a splash hire."/"doesn't want to make a splash hire because you don't get a lot of credit for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches ever."

stfu

Ya! That’s such a dumb fuck lazy take. CDC gets UM (albeit with some help from BMDs) and he’s set for any future career outside of UT he wants. He walks into a room and he’s the guy that got Urban. He needs nothing else. Obviously, any smart person should and would always have a plan B. Whatever plan B is. Or multiple variations of Plan B. 

[UncleBuck 6445]

1 minute ago, Hiphopopotamos said:

 

So, if I'm reading correctly, their position is that CDC doesn't actually want Meyer because he is too good and well known.  That CDC will want to bring in an unknown coach so that he can take credit for the hire when the guy wins - and bringing in Meyer just won't give him the credit he desires?

 

This is the dumbest fucking update I've read here.  Its not even a non-update. 

Exactly. But before reaching that conclusion, remember that their position is ALSO that CDC WOULD want to make a hire like Meyer ("splash hire"). Christ

[dcar00 14035]

3 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

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***First, in terms of where things are with Urban Meyer, we continue to hold the same position we’ve held for a bit now. Meyer is who Texas wants, they’re willing to pay a lot of money for him, there is a chance he ends up at Texas but we’d say it’s not a great one at the moment.

***But in trying to figure out what direction Chris Del Conte (CDC) might go should Meyer not work out, I spoke with someone who has worked with CDC.

***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation.

***Source did add that they wouldn’t be surprised if the idea of replacing Herman with Urban, given there is a bit of a divide between the two, isn’t sitting well with CDC. Said it’s not his style to attract that kind of story, if you will.

***In terms of where he would turn if Urban didn’t take the job, source said that CDC is going to go after his guy. If it’s not Urban though, source believes CDC is going to stake his reputation on this next hire – as in, he will take the credit and the blame for it. Someone like Brian Kelly would be a safe hire in that an AD isn’t losing his job for hiring Kelly and it not working out. That’s like landing a 5-star that doesn’t work out. You lose your job when you stand on the table for a 2-star and it doesn’t work out. But source said, CDC will want this hire to be about his choice and he will want the hire tied to him. Source believes CDC is that confident in his ability to find the right guy.

***In other words, it may not be the hire the fan base wants but it’ll be the hire CDC believes can win. Although at this point, short of Nick and Dabo, I’m not sure CDC can appease the fan base.

***I asked the source if he felt like CDC would return to his old stomping grounds and try to bring Gary Patterson in. Source said, he wouldn’t be surprised if he had an informal conversation with him but couldn’t say whether it would be anymore than that. Source said, Gary was actually offered the TAMU job before Jimbo and apparently Gary turned it down.

***I do know that Patterson doesn’t involve himself with the offense at all and we know what Gary can do when his defense is paired with a good offense. So, should the Urban Meyer thing not work out, I for one would have no problem seeing Gary and a guy like Graham Harrell at Texas. I know that probably won’t be a popular take here but after reading tweets and comments this past week, again, Urban Meyer’s name ruined the chance of a large swath of Texas fans being open to much else.

 

I don't believe any of this except that I do believe Patterson is a real possible second choice. Does the guy think he can win an NC at Texas.   He may regret the whole statue thing but maybe he's good. 

[Hiphopopotamos 20865]

4 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Brian Kelly?  Talk about blindly throwing shit against the wall.

And they're not even saying Brian Kelly as an option I don't think - they're using him as another example of a 5 star that wouldn't give CDC the 'credit' he apparently craves.

I guess they think CDC is going to raid Division III to bring in some unknown?

Edited December 2, 2020 by Hiphopopotamos

[Tex Pete 20176]

14 minutes ago, Bevo14 said:

Not saying you particularly, but people need to stop pretending that student protests/political activity are the cause of this team's mediocrity just because they want to believe it to support their own political views. Every team in the top 5 had players going to protests this summer.  Hell, Saban went with his players at least one time. Dabo certainly doesn't support most of his players' viewpoint but it's still business as usual for Clemson.

In a year with lots of distractions, all the political stuff was a HUGE distraction. Most teams addressed it and moved forward with their seasons. Our team quite clearly did not. 

Edited December 2, 2020 by Tex Pete

[Burt Macklin 18997]

5 minutes ago, BurntOrange&White said:

Because Bobby literally mentioned something similar this morning. 

When did he say anything like that?

[UncleBuck 6445]

Just now, dcar00 said:

I don't believe any of this except that I do believe Patterson is a real possible second choice. Does the guy think he can win an NC at Texas.   He may regret the whole statue thing but maybe he's good. 

He might be a real possibility for CDC (though I'd doubt that), but is he a real possibility for the money guys?

[cdain3 3454]

TFB doesn't know jack shit outside of recruiting.

Yep. Can we please stop posting their shit?

[alphahorn 1637]

45 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

That's an issue. We have the most woke University this side of Berkeley. It's a legit concern. 

Maybe we need to bring Charlie back as the minister of wokeness, as he said, "if something is soft, he can make it hard"

[CowtownHorn 5126]

22 minutes ago, Red Five said:

"Ok Coach Meyer it looks like we've got everything here almost wrapped up. Thanks for meeting with us for the third time. Now we just need to dot some i's and cross some t's and we'll be all done here. Oh wait, one more thing... do you have any desire to return to coaching?"

[burdine 522]

If Kelly has ND in the playoff then he isn't even on the table anyway.

[Bam Bam Sam 303]

5 minutes ago, RGBIII said:

TFB Ice Water

"***Source said that CDC is the type that wants to make a splash hire but said that he also is the type who would want the hire to be ‘his hire’. In the case of Urban, the play is just too big to say no too, but source seemed to indicate that it’s not necessarily his style to look for someone who wouldn’t be CDC’s guy. In other words, not sure you get a ton of credit as an AD for throwing a bazillion dollars at one of the best coaches of this generation."

Just gonna come out with what I know here, these ideas are complete horse shit. CDC doesn't give a rat's ass about boosting his reputation through this manner, he cares about increasing his credibility by making successful hires, period. CDC cares about putting the right cogs in the machine to make the wheels start turning again, that's it. He knows the longer he does that the more trusted and respected he becomes. He hired top 5 coaches in White and Schaeffer in their respective sports and did so without blinking. Obviously, football is the driving force around here, but the philosophy doesn't change. CDC didn't have to vet very hard for the last two hires, he knew what resources he was working with and just went and got them. He doesn't give a flying fuck if Urban isn't "his guy", he's going to be credited for hiring and working with him, and by cooperating with the boosters and brass to do so, even better for him, because it means the administration can rely on his cooperation.