Urban Meyer or bust

[Nowhichski 32]

8 minutes ago, victory88 said:

South Carolina is paying $13.2 million to buy out Muschamp.  Aggy paid Sumlin 10 mil for his buyout 4 years ago.  This isn't 1995 anymore.  I agree that this is a fuck ton of money to coach a game but this is where college football is.  It's not like these programs don't rake in millions of dollars with how much tickets and the gameday experience costs now a days and their tv contracts.

All good points in answer to this, and believe me, I'm fine with private money funding this ridiculous carnage. And I also agree Urban Meyer pays immediate dividends. The optics in these socioeconomic and political times are bad no matter what, but I agree that's the price of the arms race in college football. You make a mistake like Tom Herman not once but twice (hiring him, then extending him---and I understand all the dynamics around those two decisions, which did not seem ill at the time) and it's going to cost you. Will Herman on CDC's resume as a massive blunder too?  

I listened to Scipio's podcast about the history of Texas coach hires and he made a good point that with very few exceptions Texas has hired well below the echelon at which a program of this supposed rank should be shooting, showing a major disconnect between who the admins perceive us to be and how we are perceived. That includes Herman. Of course, the list of proven program builders is ... two? (Saban and UM?) Beyond that you have to get lucky, I guess. The trick is evidently not Xs and Os but the complex task of program management at every level. Herman preached alignment, but ... 

On that note, can Mack be considered a program builder? Can Pete Carroll? Stoops and Meyer built juggernauts that have lasted beyond them, but the universities were wise enough to put the right person in charge. Though Mack has produced a UNC team that's higher ranked than Texas this year, Mack's UT program collapsed before he left. Carroll left as the building was imploding. Swinney impressively caught fire in a bottle.

 

[Brothahorn 10097]

22 minutes ago, KingLerxst said:

If we mess this up?

Jesus people. It sounds like they’ve already pretty much done all they can to try and get him here. If he decides he doesn’t want the job. Nothing can be done to make him take it. He doesn’t want to be here nearly as bad as we all want him here. If he wants the job. Firing or not firing Herman today/tomorrow or next week isn’t going to matter. 

Yet some are going to be ready to stop supporting the program just because Meyer may not feel like coaching again.

Have offered $20m/yr? To get Urby, I'm willing to kick in 4 figures a year.

 

Make him say FUCK NO, not just no. Make it tax free, if you have too. You know we will get that back and them more.

Edited December 5, 2020 by Brothahorn

[troph 25099]

What’s the latest flight aware intel? Headed back to HSB or ABIA?

[taybo20 3008]

1 minute ago, closetohumping said:

I hope you're wrong, but I may agree.  Firign someone that could be 8-3, with 3 essentially last second losses?

1-3 vs TCU 

1-4 vs ou

2-2 vs ISU

yeah super acceptable... fuck this shit. He needs to go

[Chili dog 1809]

10 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

 

Bingo. 

[JesusSweatDuck 18050]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

What’s the latest flight aware intel? Headed back to HSB or ABIA?

No return flight planned yet

[ClubWhatever 12277]

In 100 years we’ll all be dead and none of this shit will matter.  So there’s that.  

[Valmy77 13569]

30 minutes ago, Helobious said:

I think the bottom line is after the W against KU next week, that’s a 7-3 season. Disappointing? Yes. If this was the end of Herman’s contract you don’t renew him for next year at all. But 7-3 just isn’t “pay $15 mil to get rid of him now” bad. 

If that is the plan then we have fucked ourselves completely by not squashing these rumors and giving Herman the support he needs. He is going to have a very hard time winning in the future with the state of his recruiting and our administration played a role in letting that happen. 

[Pato del Muerto 53351]

5 minutes ago, cafe society said:

Just another reason not to play next weekend.

As soon as ou wins, any games remaining should be cancelled. Just need to wait for that to go final. If Baylor were to somehow win, then you have to play games relevant to the top of the standings. 

[cafe society 2903]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

it's all fine until he pulls a handgun out of a paper bag and goes Bud Dwyer 

hey Tom nice shot

What was the name of that local access show back in the '80s?  Urban Jungle?

[El Compadre 770]

1 hour ago, hornfromdallas said:

@Nicole44 stop giving these old yt men attention & let a young woo show u whats wavy

 

@hornfromdallas shooting his shot. Go get it young buck

[utee94 16071]

3 minutes ago, taybo20 said:

1-3 vs TCU 

1-4 vs ou

2-2 vs ISU

yeah super acceptable... fuck this shit. He needs to go

0-2 vs. Maryland

[dcar00 14908]

4 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

So, I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant here.

If Meyer doesn't happen, just look at how this process has played out.  For the entire season, the administration has not provided any votes of confidence to help stabilize the program and recruiting. That means they are hell bent on making a change and didn't want to do that.  Okay, fine. 

But if you are committed to change, how in the heck can you let the Urban Meyer stuff play out all of the way to the end of the season and not have him locked down? You either get a no and move on, or you lock him down, weeks or months ago. Not NOW. That way you don't subject yourself to being publicly left at the alter, with fans, recruits and players deflated over settling for the next Herman-like choice. Whether the next coach is better than Herman or not, you've hurt the perception of the program, which will hurt recruiting, support, etc.

On the other hand, if you had processed Meyer early, you could of nipped all the rumors early, and then when you announce Cristobal, Mullins or whoever, at least people would be encouraged, instead of deflated.

If he doesn't come, this thing was mis-managed, big-time.

If we didnt start the process the day after OU(which was AFTER the TCU and Tech debacles) and we didn't know he was going to say yes after a month or so of back and forth then we did this wrong.  He isn't coaching anywhere so there was no reason not to negotiate asap.  If he doesn't want to come you let it out through whatever avenues(the 9.95ers are good for that one thing) that Urban isn't interested in Texas.

The only possible reason to keep it open is potentially for negotiating with your options that will say yes.  I'd say thats a pretty thin reason.

[Huckleberry 34408]

2 hours ago, Lat22 said:

All due respect, but you’re wrong. 

I should have specified I was referring to that context. In the sentence he wrote nobody refers to it as the university. Certainly not on a message board like this. "I went to Texas" is what people who actually went to Texas say there.

[Rickylovesweed 15309]

6 minutes ago, Valmy77 said:

That has been my thing ever since the OU game. Either we are firing this guy or we are not. If we are not then we need to rally behind Herman and do whatever we can to make sure he is successful. 

That's not how this works at all. 

You don't fire a coach without having a viable option lined up. 

[PassiveAggressiveCoach 118]

1 minute ago, utee94 said:

0-2 vs. Maryland

Is that bad? That seems bad. 

[dcar00 14908]

9 minutes ago, Fud said:

We also didn't run a true coaching search there. Boosters were trying to, but Powers wanted Shaw, Strong, or Franklin, in that order. 

I always though this to be the case.  where did you hear this?

[Funk Doctor Spock 13123]

1 hour ago, SwanderedTalent said:

it's all fine until he pulls a handgun out of a paper bag and goes Bud Dwyer 

hey Tom nice shot

Nice reference. That video is something else...

[Huckleberry 34408]

Bunch of bad whining going on here. We have a primary target who is light years ahead of any other target. The delay is because he's deciding and/or negotiating. Nothing has been mismanaged even if says no.

[derpyhorndog 2702]

Also, the plane I posted about earlier this week that went Las Vegas --> Bermuda Dunes (Palm Springs/La Quinta area) is back to being of interest. It's at Van Nuys in LA right now. Tonight's flight log shows Van Nuys to Houston. Tomorrow's shows a trips to Sugar Land on to Dallas, then final leg to Austin with touch-down late afternoon. 

[troph 25099]

1 minute ago, Rickylovesweed said:

That's not how this works at all. 

You don't fire a coach without having a viable option lined up. 

It happens all the time.  I guess you don’t fire a mediocre coach with no real alternative other than a GOAT coach unless that GOAT coach had said yes.  

[TotallyLegit 3090]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

If we didnt start the process the day after OU(which was AFTER the TCU and Tech debacles) and we didn't know he was going to say yes after a month or so of back and forth then we did this wrong.  He isn't coaching anywhere so there was no reason not to negotiate asap.  If he doesn't want to come you let it out through whatever avenues(the 9.95ers are good for that one thing) that Urban isn't interested in Texas.

The only possible reason to keep it open is potentially for negotiating with your options that will say yes.  I'd say thats a pretty thin reason.

Yeah, I don’t buy that reason. The plan Bs have far less leverage, and knowing UM isn’t interested would only make them say, “wow, I actually have a shot of getting this job”

[dcar00 14908]

1 minute ago, derpyhorndog said:

Also, the plane I posted about earlier this week that went Las Vegas --> Bermuda Dunes (Palm Springs/La Quinta area) is back to being of interest. It's at Van Nuys in LA right now. Tonight's flight log shows Van Nuys to Houston. Tomorrow's shows a trips to Sugar Land on to Dallas, then final leg to Austin with touch-down late afternoon. 

pickin up the men in the cowboy hats for the ride and the dinner?

[Valmy77 13569]

3 minutes ago, Rickylovesweed said:

That's not how this works at all. 

You don't fire a coach without having a viable option lined up. 

What? That is the normal way it is done. How often does a team have the next coach ready to go? I mean it sometimes happens but it is the exception.

[runthebone 8324]

Once you know Herman isn't the guy, what the fuck would you be achieving keeping him around?

[DirtyMike 9]

2 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Also, the plane I posted about earlier this week that went Las Vegas --> Bermuda Dunes (Palm Springs/La Quinta area) is back to being of interest. It's at Van Nuys in LA right now. Tonight's flight log shows Van Nuys to Houston. Tomorrow's shows a trips to Sugar Land on to Dallas, then final leg to Austin with touch-down late afternoon. 

serious question... are flight logs just a bunch of misdirection or do these planes actually go from HOU -> Sugar Land -> Dallas

[UncleBuck 6455]

I think the bottom line is after the W against KU next week, that’s a 7-3 season. Disappointing? Yes. If this was the end of Herman’s contract you don’t renew him for next year at all. But 7-3 just isn’t “pay $15 mil to get rid of him now” bad. 

[troph 25099]

2 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Also, the plane I posted about earlier this week that went Las Vegas --> Bermuda Dunes (Palm Springs/La Quinta area) is back to being of interest. It's at Van Nuys in LA right now. Tonight's flight log shows Van Nuys to Houston. Tomorrow's shows a trips to Sugar Land on to Dallas, then final leg to Austin with touch-down late afternoon. 

Meet Houston and Dallas BMD first ?  Then announce on Monday in Austin? very intriguing.

[Tailgate 3056]

3 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Bunch of bad whining going on here. We have a primary target who is light years ahead of any other target. The delay is because he's deciding and/or negotiating. Nothing has been mismanaged even if says no.

When sober minds speak.

[South Austin 53158]

We are strong. No one can tell us we’re wrong.

Edited December 5, 2020 by South Austin

[Horn80 6313]

4 minutes ago, PassiveAggressiveCoach said:

Is that bad? That seems bad. 

Penis....... meet nail and hammer bad.

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

7 minutes ago, Nowhichski said:

The optics in these socioeconomic and political times are bad no matter what

Notice that you are saying "optics", not "ethics". In other words, how it looks to other people or what other people will think of us. Not if it's morally right or wrong, but how it will be perceived. I feel like that's how the University has run its athletics for the thirty years I've followed the programs. 

If we can't stop worrying about how we'll maintain decorous appearances, then I quit as a fan. I don't care how we're perceived, optically, sonically, olfactorally, any of that shit. I want us to win. More to the point, I don't care to try to guess in advance how what we do will be perceived. I want us to to the things that are most likely to result in fucking victories on the field and I don't care if it shortdicks every cannibal on the Congo. 

[Bigbend1812 13024]

or

[Rickylovesweed 15309]

1 minute ago, Valmy77 said:

What? That is the normal way it is done. How often does a team have the next coach ready to go? I mean it sometimes happens but it is the exception.

No it's not. Did you follow any of the recent hires by Del Conte? 

[Nicole44 22206]

Well well well. Will ya look at those Chanticleers. And that's how ya coach a damn team. I know their HC isn't yet ready for the big time but damn will he be at some point. Go Coastal Carolina.

 

Also, no disrespect at all for the wet blanket throwers. I get it. They know stuff. I get it. They want UT to win too. I get it. They aren't tight with CDC. But do ya have to every time we are throwing a damn party pour water on the fucking candles before we can blow them out. For fucks sake. we get it. UM may not happen. He may not happen. Can we just enjoy what we saw today on tv and have happy fucking thoughts for a little bit. All of us know that it may not happen. It is a huge deal to all of us. We just want to enjoy not being told NO YET for the next several hours. It is necessary to come in and stir shit up with a "Hey guys, I want to be wrong but this could be really bad..." right when everyone is having fun and this thread is rocking. We already know it may not fucking happen. Doing it once, fine. Doing it, twice OK we heard ya. Doing it every 45-50 pages or so is making me think y'all aren't trying to spare us from the ultimate rejection you just want to piss on the birthday cake as well.

Edited December 5, 2020 by Nicole44

[dcar00 14908]

2 minutes ago, runthebone said:

Once you know Herman isn't the guy, what the fuck would you be achieving keeping him around?

becoming Cal.

[Steelers Roll Left 1280]

5 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Also, the plane I posted about earlier this week that went Las Vegas --> Bermuda Dunes (Palm Springs/La Quinta area) is back to being of interest. It's at Van Nuys in LA right now. Tonight's flight log shows Van Nuys to Houston. Tomorrow's shows a trips to Sugar Land on to Dallas, then final leg to Austin with touch-down late afternoon. 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

1 minute ago, South Austin said:

We are strong. No one can tell us we’re wrong.

Both of us know it

[hookem48 4808]

12 minutes ago, ClubWhatever said:

In 100 years we’ll all be dead and none of this shit will matter.  So there’s that.  

Jerry Jones will still be alive and fucking up the Cowboys

[closetohumping 17785]

7 minutes ago, derpyhorndog said:

Also, the plane I posted about earlier this week that went Las Vegas --> Bermuda Dunes (Palm Springs/La Quinta area) is back to being of interest. It's at Van Nuys in LA right now. Tonight's flight log shows Van Nuys to Houston. Tomorrow's shows a trips to Sugar Land on to Dallas, then final leg to Austin with touch-down late afternoon. 

Ok wood!  But could that be UT people flying around?

[BurntOrangeBlooded15 1691]

2 minutes ago, troph said:

Meet Houston and Dallas BMD first ?  Then announce on Monday in Austin? very intriguing.

The is what RGL said via the twittersphere (not the BMD part, but the Sunday-Monday fire/hire) 

[totallynotabuttpirate 5477]

This whining shit reminds of all the Monday morning qbs saying the cowboys should've extended Dak in his __ year. It takes two to tango. Stop assuming that just one party is solely responsible for what is going to happen. If Meyer (or Saban the last time) really wants to come here, he will,  simple as that. All of the prognosticating on the fuckups of the athletic department and BMDs is just silly. 

It's such an egocentric view that if UT doesn't get a recruit, coach, hot coed, etc, it's somehow because they fucked it all up because everyone obviously wants to come here above all else. 

We're allegedly trying to give a guy $84 million dollars and whatever else the fuck he wants. If he doesn't come, that's his decision. 

Edited December 5, 2020 by totallynotabuttpirate

[SwanderedTalent 5761]

2 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Well well well. Will ya look at those Chanticleers. And that's how ya coach a damn team. I know their HC isn't yet ready for the big time but damn will he be at some point. Go Coastal Carolina.

I'll consider him a worthwhile candidate as soon as he's put a P5 team in an NY6 bowl a couple of times. Minimum. I am done with trying to guess which G5 flash in the pan is heading to the Hall of Fame in thirty years. 

[Steelers Roll Left 1280]

3 minutes ago, SwanderedTalent said:

Notice that you are saying "optics", not "ethics". In other words, how it looks to other people or what other people will think of us. Not if it's morally right or wrong, but how it will be perceived. I feel like that's how the University has run its athletics for the thirty years I've followed the programs. 

If we can't stop worrying about how we'll maintain decorous appearances, then I quit as a fan. I don't care how we're perceived, optically, sonically, olfactorally, any of that shit. I want us to win. More to the point, I don't care to try to guess in advance how what we do will be perceived. I want us to to the things that are most likely to result in fucking victories on the field and I don't care if it shortdicks every cannibal on the Congo. 

A.......fucking.......men

[Fud 9707]

22 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

So, I'm going to go on a little bit of a rant here.

If Meyer doesn't happen, just look at how this process has played out.  For the entire season, the administration has not provided any votes of confidence to help stabilize the program and recruiting. That means they are hell bent on making a change and didn't want to do that.  Okay, fine. 

But if you are committed to change, how in the heck can you let the Urban Meyer stuff play out all of the way to the end of the season and not have him locked down? You either get a no and move on, or you lock him down, weeks or months ago. Not NOW. That way you don't subject yourself to being publicly left at the alter, with fans, recruits and players deflated over settling for the next Herman-like choice. Whether the next coach is better than Herman or not, you've hurt the perception of the program, which will hurt recruiting, support, etc.

On the other hand, if you had processed Meyer early, you could of nipped all the rumors early, and then when you announce Cristobal, Mullins or whoever, at least people would be encouraged, instead of deflated.

If he doesn't come, this thing was mis-managed, big-time.

It's Urban Meyer. What are you going to do, give him a midseason deadline? 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

becoming Cal.

Such a weird school.  In sports it’s called “Cal,” but in every other thing it’s called “Berkeley.”

 

[derpyhorndog 2702]

2 minutes ago, DirtyMike said:

serious question... are flight logs just a bunch of misdirection or do these planes actually go from HOU -> Sugar Land -> Dallas

You can tell when they're misdirection when, for example, the destination for Flight 1 doesn't line up with the departure location for Flight 2. You can piece it together though. That's not what's happening here.

Assuming for the sake of the argument this plane is involved in the coaching search, the flight path suggests to me that they're rounding people up from each location to bring them back to Austin for an aligned purpose. Otherwise, why fly out of the way to Dallas first instead of going directly to Austin having whatever BSDs are Dallas get their own plane to town?

[Francisco 2.0 32545]

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

We are strong. No one can tell us we’re wrong.

It's a battlefield.

[closetohumping 17785]

Look, would going from 9 million to 12 million intrigue Dabo or Saban?  I've read both of them express some displeasure, maybe my imagination.

[USNALonghorn 5156]

All of this "well we'll be 7-3 talk" or "can't fire him after a convincing win" just proves the state of complacency in our program. We want to win it all, but we just don't want to try as hard as Alabama, Clemson, tOSU, OU, etc. This is exactly why we have 3 Big-12 championships and OU has 14.

Tom Herman is a cancer. He will continue to destroy the program as long as he is here. Whatever happens in the next eight days will demonstrate whether we are serious about football or we just like to talk about our aging blue blood status.